The wealth of information you have posted is just FANTASTIC!
And I believe that you will agree that a collaboration and exchange of information can yield a much better understanding of ALL the data by both the RAPER and ROPER families.
Several things immediately struck me about the information you posted, not the least of which is the fact that in a couple of instances BOTH the RAPER and ROPER family seems to be citing the SAME records and ascribing a different meaning.
Please understand that I am NOT asserting that the ROPER ascription of the data is the correct one.Rather I am only pointing out that there seem to occasionally be some alternative constructions or readings of teh SAME data.
One of the first entries you cite is exemplary.You show:
"1688 Oct. 7 Albemarle Co., NC John Raper witnessed the will of Richard Humphries."
At the ROPER Family History website of Dr. L. David ROPER, the same data is indicated in this way:
"Abstracts of Wills 1690-1760: p.176: Richard Humphreys, Albemarle Co 7 Oct 1688, 25 Jul 1689. Mother mentioned but not named. Other legatees: William Nickole, John Hunt. Exec: Thomas Pollard. Wit: Elizabeth Barcliff, John Roper, William Barcliff. Prov: Seth Sothell"
I have NOT seen the original document and I do NOT know what it really says.As we all know, there are some entries that can only be described as "ambiguous".
But there is something else about the Will of Richard HUMPHRIES which also bears mention and that is the mention of the executor Thomas POLLARD.
This is significant because of a rather cryptic entry in Dorchester, Maryland, that I have been unable to fit into the ROPER family framework:
MARYLAND CALENDAR OF WILLS: Volume 1
Rope, Eliza:, Dorchester Co., 3d Mch., 1683
26th Feb., 1684.
To Richard Pottard, ex., 50 A. on Little Choptanke R.
Capt. Richard Ladd, residuary legatee of estate, real and personal.
Test: Wm. Mittchill, Jno. Hall. 4. 25.
Who is Eliza: ROPE?Is she a ROPER??Or is she a RAPER?
One common clue suggestive of her assoiation with the ROPER family is the coincident appearance of William MITCHELL as a witness for Elizabeth ROPE's and Thomas ROPER's Wills:
MARYLAND CALENDAR OF WILLS: Volume 1
Roper, Thomas,A. A. Co.,19th Sept., 1677;
26th Oct., 1677.
To wife Mary, execx., ½ plantation during life.
To dau. Mary and hrs., 300 A., “Roper's Increase” in Balto. Co., and ½ plantation at majority. Wife or dau. afsd. dying without issue, deceased's portion to revert to survivor.
Overseers: Dr. Wm. Jones, Wm. Mitchell.
Test: Wm. Bowman, Thos. Jeffe, Hugh Portingalc. 5. 313.
This Eliza: ROPE also appears roughly where George ROPER/RAPER was noted three decades earier:
"Upon the Motion of mr Nicholas Gwyther, It is Ordered that the Attachmt laid upon the Estate of George Roper at his Suit for 700' of Tobacco and Caske doe Stand in force till the Next Court and the Said Gwyther is in the Meanetime to Endeavour to give Notice thereof to Ropers widdowe that defence may be made therein if She See Cause, and the Said Gwyther then Clearing his demand to the Court Such releife will be given as Shall be thought fitt"
See Archives of Maryland, Volume 10, page 369:
But then again, this may have been George RAPER:
George Raper is simply erroneously entered:
"George Raper his Mark for Cattle and hoggs Vizt the right Ear forked, and the left Ear over and underkeeled wth the Tipp Cutt off."
See "Court and Testamentary Business, 1649-50", Archives of Maryland, Volume 10, page 156:
I understand that the Eliza: ROPER Will mentions "Richard POTTARD".But the absence of any other POTTARDs in the area and the PRESENCE of a POLLARD family in Dorchester, Maryland is suggestive that this is actually a POLLARD reference.COnsider these two subsequent POLLARD Will abstracts:
MARYLAND CALENDAR OF WILLS: Volume 3
Pollard, John, Little Choptanke, Dorchester Co.,25th Jan., 1700;
21st Oct., 1702.
To eld. son William and male hrs., 3 tracts on Taylor's Island, viz., “The Gore,” “Tobias' Lot” and “Whinfield”; “William's Good Will” purchased of Thos. Phillips; also dwelling plantation and mansion house and 100 A., “Hammersmith” at decease of wife.
To son Tobias and male hrs., 3 tracts bought of Peter Sharpe, viz., “Marsh Land,” “Sharpe's Desire,” and “Sharpe's Outlet;” also “Race,” “Island in the Marsh,” “Woolftrapp Ridge,” “Goshen,” and “Good Luck Point.” In event of death of either son afsd. without male issue, his estate to pass to male issue of his brother. Both sons dying without male issue, estate to revert to next immediate hr. of testator.
To dau. Jane, wife of William Bobson, Jr., during life, 100 A., “Cedar Point,” at mouth of Spa Ck. on Taylor's Island; 400 A. on Severn Ck. bought of Patrick Mullikin, and 100 A., “Blood Point” bought of Phineas Blackwell; to pass at her decease to her husband and at his death to revert to son William afsd.
To granddau. Ann Wooland, 100 A., “The Herring Point” on branch of the Blackwater R.
To granddan. Mary Robson and hrs., “Obscurity;” to pass at her death to her brother John Wooland.
To John Pickering, 50 A., “Pig Point” on n. e. branch of Blackwater R.
To grandson John Pollard, Mary, wife of Thos. Howell, and Mary, the eld. dau. of Mr. Howell, personalty.
Wife Sarah and dau. Jane Robson, joint extxs. and residuary legatees.
Test: Thos. Howell, Rich'd Smart, Mary Downes. 11. 294.
MARYLAND CALENDAR OF WILLS: Volume 2
Pollard, Richard,Patuxent R., Calvert Co.,15th Oct., 1702;
18th Nov., 1702.
To wife Mary, extx., and hrs., ontire estate, real and personal.
Test: Wm. Barttan, Chris. Dangerman, Thos. Howe. 11. 226.
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You will note that the former Will mentions the "Little Choptanke", the location of 50 acres of property mentioned in Eliza: ROPER's Will.I believe that the conclusion of a family connection between Eliza ROPE and the POLLARDs is unescapable.
But then we find POLLARDs and RAPERs/ROPERs together again on the Albemarle!
And this is NOT the only ROPER-POLLARD connection.150 years LATER, in 1850 Census entries for James City County, very near to the ROPER Blisland Parish property on Warreny Swamp in New Kent County, I found that Sarah M. ROPER, age 40, appears to be listed as the Warden of the Eastern Asylum (if I am reading the entry correctly).There are listed above her numerous persons who are indicated as "Insane".
Reamrkably, Lettie G. ROPER, age 20, is shown to be living in City of Williamsburg, in the household of Serrant JONES, age 65, and his family.It appears that Fannie JONES, age 38, is the wife (and possibly the aunt or mother of Lettie ROPER), and there are four children in this household with the surname of POLLARD.It would seem likely that Fannie JONES was the widow of a POLLARD before her marriage to JONES.There is also a William B. JONES, age 25, in this household, who is identified as the "Clerk of Court".
Here we have ROPERs, JONES, and POLLARDs living adjacent to one another in three locations over a two hundred year period!
This brings me to yet another interesting coincidence and a theory of mine every bit as startling as my belief that the ROPER and RAPER family in America MAY BE one and the same.That is the finding of the possibility that ROSIERs, ROZIERS and ROSSERs may be ROPERs, as well!
Staying with the POLLARD theme for a moment, consider this Land Patent for John ROSIER from 1650:
"To all etc.Whereas etc.Now Know yee that etc. the said Sr. Wm. Berkeley etc. give and grant unto said John Roseir five hundred and fifty acres of Land Situate lying and being in the County of Northumberland abutting Northerly upon the Bay side that leads up to a creeke Called by the Natives Attapin on the westernmost side of the Easternmost Swamp Next Potomeck river Southerly and Easterly upon the Maine woods and westerly towards the head of this Said Creeke The sd Land being due unto the Said Jno Rosier by and for the Importation of Eleven persons into the Colony etc.To have and to hold etc.which payment is to be made Seven years after is' Date hereof etc.DAted ye 23d of Ober 1650.
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There are actually NUMEROUS ambiguous transactions where a property described in land records as being owned by the ROSIERs is described in adjoining deeds as being owned by ROPERs!
And, the very first ROSIER Patent in Virginia was a grant of land previous owned by William EPPES, probably brother-in-law of Capt. William ROPER, to John ROSIER!
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Another particularly interesting record you cite is the mention of John RAPER in 1706 and a subsequent mention of the younger John RAPER and the "late John RAPER" in 1718:
"1718 Jul 15 Pasquotank Precinct, Albemarle Co., NC John Raper (JR) " John RAPIER son and heir apparent of John RAPIER deceased late of Pasquotank..........sold 60 acres to Solomon Pool."
But there appears to be NO explicit death record for this elder John RAPER.And it seem that John RAPER's death is inferred to be about 1718, the date of this record.
I would suggest to you that a BETTER date of death for that John RAPER/ROPER would be about 1712:
"The Colonial Records of NC, V.1, 1662-1712: p.869: Council Journal: Att a meeting of LdsProprs eptys at ye house of ye Honble Majr Genl Pollock in Chowan on the 12 day of Sept Ani Dni 1712 here...Upon Petition of Thos Roper Showing that his bror Jno Roper is Dead without will and that he Said Jnos Widdow is a Distracted person and not Capable of taken out Administration on her decd husband Estate therefore prays Administration may be granted to him on behalf of ye said Widdow & Children. Ordered that Administration be granted to ye Said Thos on behalfe of ye said Widdow & Children accordingly."
It has long been my belief that John ROPER, of Anne Arundel, MD, was the John ROPER who died in Chowan, NC.And I believed that his UNCLE Thomas ROPER, subsequently helped establish him at his own plantation on the Chickahominy in Charles City County, nearer to the other ROPER cousins in New Kent County, Virginia.
This is at least consistent with the 1714 land Patent which expressly mentions both John ROPER and Thomas RAPER.
But I would also point out to you that John RAPER is shown to be SELLING land in Pasquotank to Solomon POOLE at about the SAME time that the Charles City land would have been being occupied and improved!
The TIMING is almost PRECISELY CORRECT!
It is unclear to me what authority exists for John RAPER being born in 1660.This was a date that seemed consistent with the asserted date of birth of another John ROPER Jr.But overall, the proximity and the time line seem to me to match much too closely for this to be simply a chance outcome.
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NOTES REGARDING THOMAS ROPER
It is also appropriate to share some notes regarding the transactions of Thomas ROPER.ANd there were more than a few of these:
"Colonial Records of NC: V.2, p.68: Council Journal: Att a Councill holden at ye house of Capt Thos Lee in Chowan on Wednesday ye 4th day of Novr Ano Dni 1713...Thos Roper having made appeare to this Board that he hath a right to pd17 13d out of the Claime Due to Jno Toby who was killed in Warr agt ye Indyan Enemy by a note under ye said Tobys hand which said note is either lost or mislaid amongstye papers of ye Assbly. Whereupon It is ordered that ye said Thos Roper have ye afsd sume of pd7 13d out of ye publick Treasury if soe much of ye Said Tobeys there found to be Due & unpd.
p.181: Council Journal: Att a council holden at ye house of Captn Fred Jones in Chowan"
(There are those JONES again!)
"June 7th 1715...Upon Petition of Thos Roper shewing that Captn Cornelius Swillivan had Rece'd ye Wages of one Anthony Morrall which was due to ye said Morrall for his services in the Warr againt the Indian Enemie and that the said Morral at ye same time was an Indented Servent to the said Roper and therefore his said Wages was due to him and prayes whereas the said Swillivan has some money due to him in the publick Treasurie here he may have so much money of what is due to ye said Swillivan as ye said Morrall Wage Amounted to. Ordered that if there be moneys Sufficient in the Treasurie of the said Swillivan as will answer ye Said Morralls Claims or so much as there shall appear to be the same shall be stopped or Lodged in the hands of Coll Edward Moseley Treasurer and paid to ye said Thos Roper provided the said Swillivan Shew no Cause to ye Contrary within one yeare from ye Date hereof. Whereas by an ordr of Council dated ye Eleventh day of Novbr 1713 Thos Roper was Impowered to receive the sum of seven pounds Thirteen Shillings out of the Claimes due to John Toby being due to him and it now appears to this board that Captn Cornelius Swillivan under pretence of being Admintr to said Toby has received all ye claims to ye sd Toby. Wherefore it is hereby Ordered that if there be any money of the said Swillivan in the Treasurie that the Treasurer do pay to the said Roper ye Above said Sum out of ye said Moneys."
NOTE:I believe that it may have been this SAME MOSELY whose 1733 Map shows a "ROOPER" Plantation on the Pamlico.
"Chowan Precinct, NC 1696-1723 by M. M. Hofmann: Deed Book B #1 #1016 p.488: Richard Sanderson of Perquimans Prect., esquire to Coll. Christopher Gale of Bath Town and Edward Moseley of Chowan Prect. 1 May 1717. 15 lbs current money of N.C. 180 acres on the banks against Bertrams
Creek which land was purchased by me of Thomas Davis who patented the same. Wit.: Edmund Gale, Henry Roper. Ack. before me C. Gale Ch. Just. 1 May 1717. Reg.31 8ber 1717."
HERE WE SEE THE DAVIS FAMILY AGAIN!
"Deed Book C #1 #1300 p.56: Laurence Sarson of Chowan Prect. to Thomas West of the Province of
N.C. 14 Jul 1720 110 lbs lawfull money of the Province. 120 acres more or less at the mouth of black Wallnutt Swamp, joing William Duckinfield, the sound side at Wallnutt Point, Jonathan Jeacocks, the sd. Sarson and the swamp. Wit.: Joseph Young, Thomas Roper. Ack. ye 19 Nov 1720 before me Fred. Jones, Ch. Just."
ANOTHER REFERENCE TO FRED JONES.
"Deed Book C #1 #1320 p.163: Thomas Roper of Albemarle Co., Bricklayer to Richard Skinner Jr. of Perquimans Prect. 1 Mar 1720 18 pds assignment of a Pattent for 640 acres in Beufort Prect. in Bath Co. dated 10 ___ 1720 and is on the north side of Pampticough river. Wit: Denis Riordane, John Simons, Rt. Hicks. Ack: ye 4 Apr 1721 by Rt. Hicks before me Fred. Jones, Ch Just. Reg. 16 Jun 1721"
FRED JONES ON THIS DEED TOO.AND THE ROPERS AT WARRENY SWAMP IN NEW KENT HAD NEIGHBORS BY THE NAME OF HICKS.
"Deed Book F #1 #597 p.202: Thomas Henman of Chowan Prect., Gentleman to Thomas Roper of Chowan Prect. 7 Nov 1721 for 20 shillings per Lott. Lott #52 at the Fork of Queen Ann's Creek designed for the building of a Towne. Wit: Christian Heidleberg, W. Badham. Reg. Chowan Ct. 19 Jan 1721. Test.: Wm. Badham C.C. Ct."
QUEEN ANNE'S CREEK WAS THE SITE UPON WHICH EDENTON, THE COLONIAL CAPITAL OF NC WAS BUILT.
"Province of NC 1663-1729 Abstracts of Land Patents: p.116: 1247 p.305: Thomas Roper 10 Aug 1720 640 acres in Beaufort Precinct on the N. side of Pamlicough river and the West side of Grindal creek, joining the river pocoson-which Land was formerly Surveyed for Richard Skinner and by him Elapsed. Wit: C. Eden, Wm. Reed, Fred Jones, Fra. Foster, J Lovick"
"1248 p.306: Thomas Roper 10 Aug 1720 640 acres in Beaufort Precinct on the N. side of Pamlico river and on the West side of Grindal creek, joining the river pocoson and the sd. Roper which land was Surveyed for William Roper and by him Elapsed. Wit: E. Eden, Fred Jones, Wm. Reed, Fran. Foster, J. Lovick"
Index & Abstracts of Deeds of Pitt Co., NC:
V.1,E-286: 1772 John Bonner...former owners: Thomas Roper (Pat.)
V.2,O-377: 1 Oct 1799 John E. Judkins...former owners: Thomas Roper (Pat. 1720)
V.4,AA-168: Feb 1816 John Speir...former owners: Thomas Roper (Pat. 1720)
V.4,BB-101: 15 Oct 1816 Peter Sugg, Sheriff...former owners: Thomas Roper (Pat. 1720)
Also BB-201, BB-309, BB-335, BB-338 (Pat. 1723) & CC-148.
"NC Historical & Genealogical Register: V.2, p.613: Deed Thomas Roper to Richard Shinner, Jr. of Perquimans 640 acres in Bath Co. on North side of Pampticough river, patented 20 Nov 1720. 1 Mar 1720/1 Test: Daniel Rierden, Jno Simmons, Robt Hicks."
"NC Genealogist: p.2556: Chowan Co. tax list for 1721: Tho. Roper 1280 acres"
"Colonial Records of NC: v.2: Council Journal: Att a Council held at the House of Wm Badham March the 30th 1721...It is commanded the Marshall that he cause to Come twelve...Thos. Roper..."
"NC Historical Review 44, p.111: Factors in the Economy of Colonial Beufort: 22 of 39 lots sold before 1723 were later resold by the town...The remaining 17 lots were owned by Thomas Roper,..."
"NC Historical Review V.47, p.370: Lot No.4 was first owned by Thomas Roper, but he too seems to have lived in the area around Bath at that time."
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I think that you will agree that these constitute more than a couple of possibly mistranscribed records!The presence of a Thomas ROPER on the Albemarle and Pamlico Sounds during the interval that the RAPERs also first appear there is indisputable!
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There are also several records regarding William ROPER:
I have never seen the underlying documents, but the two seemingly inconguous entries concerning William ROPER appear at Dr. ROPER's ROPER Family History web site:
"V.1, p.70: Abstracts of Wills, Sec. of State: William Roper of Chowan Co. 18 Aug 1729 to a friend, Jacob Butler, Wm Refield of Pasquotank, 4 Aug 1722 - Mar 23 Sons John, James & William - all my children."
"Abstracts of NC Wills: p.656: William Roper1722-1735 Book, p.213; p.319: William Roper. Chowan Precinct. 18 Aug 1729, 7 Feb 1729/30.Exec & solelegatee: Jacob Butler. Wit: Cornelius Leary & William Stacy. Prov: Richard Everard."
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Finally, I want to comment briefly on the matter of the Pasquotank RAPERs being Quaker.I wanted to call your attention to three things that may have otherwise escaped your notice.First, there is an interesting record of a traveling Caleb ROPER:
"Edward Pleasant Valentine Papers, V.2, p.729: The next year 1728 he embarked for great Britain, with one friend Samuel Bownas,who had accomplished his journeys on this continent in the service of the gospel; and after performing a religious visit to the Meetings of friends in England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland, he proceeded to Barbados, and arrived from thence in this city in 1730, then went to Virginia, and in the same year performed a visit as far Eastward as Rhode Island, accompanied by his intimate friend Caleb Roper of Burlington. The following year intermarrying with Mary the widow of Richard Hill, he became a member of one Monthly Meeting and after a visit to the meeting of friends in Maryland and Virginia, he embark'd on a second visit to Great Britain, from whence he returned in the summer of 1734, between which time and the year 1738 he performed another visit Eastward and then to the southern provinces, besides one to South Carolina and Georgia, and to Boston, and in 1740 he went on a second visit to Barbados, and in the succeeding year, accompaned by Caleb Roper, he accomplished his last visit Eastward as far as Boston."
So we have at least one well documented Quaker ROPER making some journeys!
Secondly, I wanted to call to your attention the existence of a rather interesting inscription in an old book.See my Post:
"An Inscription In a Very Old Book -- Jn:O ROPER To Wm. SCALES - ca 1750"
(22 Jul 2002 7:18 AM GMT)
The book is essentially an explanation of the author's Quaker convictions.
The ROPERs and the CRISPEs were intermarried in England.John CRISPE married Elizabeth ROPER (d 1626 - Kent, England), daughter of Thomas ROPER and Lucia BROWNE, of Eltham, Kent, England.This Elizabeth ROPER was also the granddaughter of William ROPER and Margaret MORE and the great-granddaughter of Saint Thomas MORE (d 6 Jul 1535 - Tower, London, England) who was beheaded in the reign of Henry VIII.
William ROPER's conversion to Catholocism and close association with MORE's family also helps to explain the very comfortable relation between the ROPERs, the CALVERTs and HOWARDs in Maryland!
Bear in mind that the surname of the Duke of Norfolk was HOWARD!
Third, the ROPERs of Burlington, New Jersey were definitely QUAKER.I believe that it is of this family that Caleb ROPER emerges.
And finally, I would also point out that it has occured to me that one REASON that some ROPERs may have DIFFERENTIATED their name (e.g. RAPER and/or ROZIER, ROSIER, etc.) may have been to distinguish members of the family of DIFFERENT RELIGIONS!
There is some reason to believe that the Maryland ROZIERs may have been Catholic.
John ROSIER was the minister at the Hungars Creek Church in Accomack/Northampton before later settling in Northumberland.And the OTHER ministers there were certainly NOT mainstream adherents of the established Church of England.The other ministers included Capt. William ROPER's brother-in-law Rev. William COTTON, Rev. Nathaniel EATON and Rev. John DOUGHTY.
(In fact, William ROPER was the brother-in-law to ALL THREE of these identified ministers, as his wife's sister Ann GRAVES married each in turn.The ONLY of the early ministers ANn GRAVES did NOT marry was John ROSIER.)
Rev. Nathaniel EATON was previously the FIRST MASTER of Harvard College and was pretty clearly NOT within the mainstream of the English Church.And Rev. DOUGHTY even sought to initiate some "witchcraft" investigations in Maryland making an accusation that was later withdrawn after the suspect apparently SUED the minister for slander!
What we see today as differnces in spelling may actually have been PURPOSEFUL WAYS to distinguish those branches of the family who had set out to embrace other than the established religion.Please understand that I have NO EVIDENCE that this is the case, but there is a LOT of circumstantial evidence that the ROSIERs, ROZIERs and ROSSERs might also be ROPERs!
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I would encourage you to carefully scrutinize ALL of the ROPER records shown at Dr. Dave ROPER's North Carolina ROPER pages at http://www.roperld.com/rnc1617.htmhttp://www.roperld.com/rnc1617.htm .I think you will find some other interesting information there as well.
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