Carol. Was Marty able to help you? You mentioned b:1802, I have some info on a Philip Renn b: 1791 in Upper Sulphur Twp. Philadelphia, PA and dies May 26 1853 in Lower Augusta Twp. Northumberland Co. PA. His wife was Mary Cooper. His father was Johann Phillip Renn b;Jan 04 1755 in Upper Sulpher Twp Philadelphia PA and died June 19, 1836 in Augusta Twp Northumberland Co. PA His mother's name was Elizabeth but maiden name unk. He had a son Henry, I have no dates on Henry. This info came from Marty Wise. Hope it helps.