Would you consider this Not quite the same name. l860 census Muddy Creek Preston Co Va. page 66 Sam f. Ringer b. Va age 2 months in the home of david falkenstine age 50 l870 census Preston Co W Va Samuel is listed as age 9 l880 census Foreman Ringer age 20 listed as grandson of David Falkenstine age 70 b. Pa also living in the same house is Virginia Ringer listed as granddau. also listed in l860 census Preston co W. Virgina Valley Point PO family 448-442 Joseph Ringer age 30 b. Pa wife Fatima age2 Samuel F. age 2 mo born Va next door is Jacob Ringer and susannah and Samuel J wife Eliz. son Wesley age 4 mos. That is really as close as I could find. I have been collecting Ringer inform since l983. so would be interested infinding out who he belongs too. Helen Ringer Kent co, Mich.