Hi Patije, I read your reply. yes!yes! yes!.... Would you have Eva Elizabeth hand line? I'm very interested in the surnames that in your query. Nagel, Wagner, Zimmerman and Schaeffer in Pine Grove area etc. Last month I went to Phyllis Zimmerman Schaeffer auction in Pine Grove. Phyllis was a cousin.I know that she had hundreds of pictures of family. My Zimmerman's were pack rats when it cames to pictures and bibles records. I was right with Phyllis, she knew a face, nameshe wrote it down. I finally met Phyllis's son, Donald and we all had a delight day talking about family. Their Schaeffer line stopped with John S Schaffer born Jan.18,1857 married to Katherine Zimmerman and he died 5 March 1912 Katherine Zimmerman,I only had a birth year 1856 and I notice that I had a Catherine Zimmerman b 1856dau/ John Edward Zimmerman first born son, to my 3x great grandfather Peter Zimmerman and Christine Kuntz. It fit right in line. That his daughter married John S. Schaeffer. The surnamed was also spelled Shaffer. John's father was Daniel Shaffer. I have the mother name Elizabeth Wiedner? That what it looks like It written in German. And that's were they were stuck.Don pull out 10 bapt. certificates starting with first name Daniel Shafer. Don said that he has boxes and boxes of very old photos and he what's to give them to me. I was a deer in head lights. He is not interested in any of this but he was impressed. There one good thing ,that he said. "I want to got through the pictures and when I do, I'm going to separate the pictures by family name". I have done extensive family research on my Zimmerman ancestors from PineGrove and for the last five years it has grown even larger with living relatives etc. I had started ten years ago putting the Zimmerman genealogy on computer. At that time I have 3800 family lines and spouses. But there is one catch. I was having majors problems with the program. The programmer tried fixing the problem and the last fix that he did for some reason would not back up my data. So, I copied what was on the computer and then it crashed. I had thousands of hours on the computer. Then things were happening with me,promotion after promotion, etc. and then my Mother was in ill health. So,I had to put it away. Now, I'm kicking myself from one end of the room to the other,so, after all the promotionsmaking amost $28,000 I'd quit.I'm home writing a weekly genealogy column and planning my goals to get back on track with my genealogy. Sorry, for being long winded. As for the Wagner's, They had intermarried with some of my Zimmerman lines. Back in the 80's a Dr. from Calif. had written me that he was going to write about the Wagners from Washington Twp. We were going back and forward for awhile. and then the letters stopped coming. I don't know if he ever got it done? or did he die. Please, what ever you have to share with me, I thank you in advance for your help. May I ask where do you live? Would it ok if you email: Shar_gen@email.com Sharman Meck Carroll P.s and anything on the Scheaffers.