Sorry for the delay in replying to your original message Will. I got quite confused by the ensuing correspondance. But on a genealogical note. My Sackville/Sackfield family can be traced back to the mid. 1750s in Flintshire, North Wales. They moved to Lancashire about 1790; and there are some 1,500 direct descendants from a 1793 marriage - most in the USA, but some still in Lancashire. I have all the details. Going back there are Sackvilles in the Llanasa area of Flintshire from the 1600s. Sackville is used as a first name and as a surname. Now it would appear the name first appeared in the area around 1580 or so. A couple of local gentry served as secretaries to the Sackvilles who then occupied Knole. One christened his son Sackville; another incorporated the Sackville arms on his local house (still there - built 1620s). My only supposition is that our Sackville may be bastard descendants of these families; or bastard descendants of the Kent family, sent up to North Wales to get them out of the way. The present Lord Sackville wondered about this theory. Certainly the Sackvilles in the 17th century were notorious rakes - one "had" Nell Gwynne before Charles II !!! If you are interested in more history - please let me know. I will gladly supply you with what information I have about the "Northern" and "American" Sackvilles.