Hi, Barry -- Thanks for your input.It was because I’m not 100% sure about that info that I included the statement that I have not verified it.We have "talked" before via this forum and your knowledge and ideas have always been helpful.
I'm still trying to figure out if my 4th great grandfather William SAYLE (wife: Hannah UNKNOWN) was the same William who was a son of William SALE who died in 1788 in Wilkes Co, NC and was married to Ann "Nancy," her surname, apparently, unknown, although many researchers say it's SHELL.Do you have any thoughts on what Ann's surname may have been?
Sorry to make this so long but I want to include information here that I think might be helpful to others, as well.I would love to hear your thoughts on anything below that you might want to comment on and I thank you in advance for any input you may have.
Sincerely, Becky Smith
SAYLE Information (several spellings)
1820 Robertson Co, TN Census:William SAIL020001/00001/2
Two free white males 10 to 16(born between 1804 & 1810)
One free white male 45 & up(born 1775 or before)
One free white female 45 & up (born 1775 or before)
ALSO in 1820 Robertson Co, TN Census was:
William SEAL 000020/10100/1
One free white male 26-45(born between 1775 & 1794)
One free white female under 10(born after 1810)
One free white female 16 to 26(born between 1794 & 1804)
[Are these two Williams related?Is either one or are both from our SAYLE/ SALE family?-bs]
Have you seen the Goodspeed bio of Dr. W.A.C. SAYLE of Morrilton, Conway Co, AR which can be found at:http://www.couchgenweb.com/arkansas/conway/bios-r-s.htmhttp://www.couchgenweb.com/arkansas/conway/bios-r-s.htm?Among other things, it states that:
Dr. W.A.C. SAYLE was born Sept 1835, Robertson Co, TN & was a son of Dr. Cornelius W. SAYLE (b. 1810) & Lucinda M. ADAMS (b. 1813) who were “natives of Tennessee.”Cornelius W. & Lucinda were married in Sumner Co, TN on 3 Aug 1830 and after their marriage lived in Robertson Co, TN “till our subject was quite a lad” when they moved to DeKalb County (TN, I believe--bs) where they lived until 1850 when they moved to Platt Co, MO, where Cornelius W. SAYLE died in 1866.At the time the bio was written, Lucinda was still living and was living with their son Dr. W.A.C. SAYLE.[I’m wondering if Cornelius W. SAYLE could have been a brother of my 3rd great grandfather, Thomas S. SAYLE b. 1808.--bs]This bio states that “the senior Dr. Sayle” was a self-made man who in his early life studied in Nashville, TN & practiced medicine the rest of his life, and that Dr. Cornelius W. SAYLE had two brothers who were “successful physicians” but the bio doesn’t name those brothers.[This was particularly interesting to me because of the number of doctors I’ve found among the SAYLEs.--bs]
Referring to Dr. Cornelius W. SAYLE & his brothers, the bio goes on to say that their father was William SAYLE, “a Carolinian by birth but a pioneer of Robertson County, Tennessee where he became a well to-do farmer and spent the latter years of his life, dying there over 80 years of age.”This William’s wife also died in Robertson County.[This death date would have been, I would guess, after 1854, although perhaps not much after that year.]Lucinda ADAMS’ father James also moved to MO, where he and his wife both died.James ADAMS was their bondsman.In the marriage record, Cornelius’ name is spelled SAILS.
Dr. W.A.C. SAYLE was “second of a family of two sons and two daughters” and the only one who lived in AR.He “attended William Jewel College, at Liberty, Mo., after which he studied medicine with his father for some time, when he entered the Kentucky School of Medicine, at Louisville, Ky., from which institution he graduated with honor in 1859.”After a brief return to MO, he moved to AR, first at Old Lewisburg, then Morrilton, both in Conway Co, AR.He had 338 acres of farmland and “considerably business property” in Morrilton.Dr. W.A.C. was married twice, first in January 1861 to Sophronia, d/o Col. Benjamin T. HOWARD who had moved from TN to AR in 1827.Sophronia died in January 1874.Dr. W.A.C. married 2nd in Dec 1875 to Mrs. Emma M. MURRAY, nee JEFCOTT.
Robertson Co, TN was created 9 April 1796, adjacent to & west of Sumner Co, TN where my HAYNES and LAURENCE families lived at about that time.Sumner County was created on 18 Nov 1786, ten years earlier, from Davidson Co, TN.
Is it possible, or even probable, that this William SAYLE, the “well to-do farmer” of Robertson Co, TN, was a son of William SALE of Wilkes Co, NC and his wife Ann “Nancy?”And is my 4th great grandfather, William SAYLE, one and the same?
Given names of my Thomas S. SAYLE’s children (with his wife Elizabeth HAYNES):Robert L. (a doctor); Frances Ann “Fannie”; Susan Elizabeth “Susie”; William Erven “Bill”; Mary Elizabeth “Molly” (my great great grandmother); Sarah Belle “Belle”; Fennetta “Nettie” (Thomas’ brother Robert L. SAYLE [for whom he named his oldest son] also named a daughter Fennetta); Delana & Delina (twins).I think Thomas’ middle name was Samuel, but have no proof.He also was “own cousin” to Dr. Samuel SAYLE.I think this is the same Samuel who married Olivia Wakefield KING & is found in Carroll & Henderson Counties, TN.In at least one place, I’ve seen Dr. Samuel G. SAYLE referred to as “Jr.”So he MAY have been a son of another Samuel SAYLE.The use of Samuel for a given name interests me because of the “original” Cornelius being married to Mary SAMUEL – perhaps that was where the name originated.
Apparently Thomas S. SAYLE moved to Obion Co, TN with his wife's in-laws, Mark HUBBS and Mark’s wife Delina HAYNES, an aunt of Thomas' wife Elizabeth HAYNES.Thomas is shown in Goodspeed's list of early pioneers to Obion County.Thomas was in Hickman Co, KY when his grandfather-in-law, William HAYNES, died there.Thomas' brother Robert was also there.(But they may not have been LIVING there; could have traveled there for the funeral and estate sale.)They were married to Elizabeth HAYNES, d/o of Henry HAYNES and Frances HAYNES, d/o of William HAYNES who d. in 1831 in Hickman Co, KY.Elizabeth was granddaughter of William who d. 1831 and Frances was her aunt, as was Delina HAYNES, wife of Mark HUBBS, for whom Thomas S. SAYLE named one of his twin daughters.
Thomas'first son, Robert L. SAYLE (named after Thomas’ brother), was born in Cape Girardeau Co (later Stoddard Co) MO in 1831 and the next child, Frances "Fannie" SAYLE was born in 1834 in TN and all the rest were born in TN, so they were in Obion Co, TN from the early or mid 1830s to 1857 when they moved to Texas, where he died in Hunt County in Nov 1878.
There was a Samuel A. SAYLE who was Captain of his company in the 27th Tennessee Regiment.(Probably Company F, formerly Company I.)He was a brother of Corilla Frances SAYLE who married William Evander PENN and he was son of Dr. Samuel G. SAYLE, Jr. & Olivia Wakefield KING.
Addie SAYLE m. Unknown SMITH, bur. in Unity Cemetery, Henderson Co, KY.B. 7-23-1865/d. 10-2-1880.No other SAYLE name in this cemetery.
EMAIL (excerpt), Sept. 14, 2003, from Diane Payne [Pretty late, but J.W. SAYLES could be a clue]
I also checked the [Sumner Co, TN] Loose Records books under Estates and Lawsuits and found the following Lawsuits:Sayles, J. W. vs. Bain, Edward, year 1866,#8406
Sumner Co. TNGenWeb Projecthttp://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsumner/index.htmlhttp://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsumner/index.html
On a web site that is no longer available I found the following comment – of course, Obion Co, TN had not been formed at this time and there seem to be other discrepancies, as well:
"William was living in North Carolina when the American Revolution began and he moved his family over the mountains to Tennessee, which was still very sparsely settled to avoid the conflict and made Tennessee his home until his death. He was living in Orbin [Obion] County, Tennessee, and after the earthquake in 1811, his land was flooded and the family moved to Robinson [Robertson] County, Tennessee. He did not have enough land for all his sons, and as they matured they began to make their own way."
That web site also showed Cornelius W. SAYLE, father ofDr. W.A.C. SAYLE, as William's son.
CAVE SPRING CHURCH DOCUMENT, ROBERTSON CO, TN, 1816
Robertson Co - TN Deed Book M - Aug 17, 1816
Baptist Church from Martin WALTON pg 121) Know all men by these presents that I Martin WALTON of Robertson County and State of Tennessee for and in consideration of the love and affection that I bear towards the Church of Jesus Christ under the character or title of the United Baptists and particularly that part of them composing the Baptist Church of Christ known by the name of the Cave Spring Church in said Countyand for their accomadation & use as a place to hold and carry on their religious worship of Almighty God I do hereby give and grant unto Meredith WALTON, William SALE & Charles POWELL and their ___in office(Trustees for the said Cave Spring Church ) in trust for the use and benefit of said church & their ___ of the United Baptist ___ order & by these presents do give, grant, alien, convey & convey unto the said Trustees in trust for the said Cave Spring Church & their ___ in that order of Religious Worship forever. All my rights, title, interest, claims or demands whatsever to one certain tract or parcel of land situate lying and being in Robertson County containing by survey three and one half acres (including the spot whereof the Cave Spring Baptist meeting house now stands) and bounded as followeth, to wit, Beginning pg 122) at a post oak saplin a beginning corner of said WALTONs in a South boundary line of Doctor ___ 640 acre survey and running thence West with his line twenty eight poles to a stake corner on Dr GLOUCESTERs line thence South with GLOUCESTERs line twenty poles to a hickory saplin in said line thence East twenty eight poles to a stake thence North twenty poles to the beginning with its appurtenances together with all the estate rights, title, interest, possessions, claims or demandswhatsoever of me the said Martin WALTON my heirs, executors or assigns to the aforementioned three and one half acres of land & premises to the said Trustees in trust for the said Baptist Church of Christ and their sucessors of the United Baptist order forever. In witness whereof I the said Martin WALTON have hereunto set my hand and seal this seventeenth day of August in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixteen.
(signed & seal)
In the presence ofGeorge THOMAS, Samuel SAYLE , Thomas COOK
pg 123) Robertson County Court November term 1816
This indenture from Martin WALTON to the Baptist society was proven in open Court by the oath of George THOMAS and Thomas COOK subscribing witnesses thereto and ordered to be registered.
Test, James SUMSTALL Clk
[I'm sure this Martin WALTON is related to the James WALTON whose estate sale was attended by Cornelius W. SAYLE on 25 Nov 1842 in Robertson Co, TN.--bs]
Excerpt from email from M. LOWE on June 30, 2005:
Charles Sherrell book on the 1810 Reconstructed Census of Tennessee and can just type what I found on SALES and the like. Just a few comments on that name so don't need to copy the pages:
Elias Sail 1812 Warren Co. Tn. Tax list
James Sail 1812 Warren Co. Tn Tax list
William Sail Sumner Co. Tax list, was in Capt Bradley's company
John Sails 1812 Warren Co. Tn Tax list
Hannah Sale Robertson Co. proved a deed to Cornelius Sale page 114
Wm Sale Robertson Co. Proved deed to Cornelius Sale page 114
[The last two, William & Hannah in Robertson Co, who proved a deed to Cornelius SALE, I believe were the parents of Cornelius W. SAYLE and may be the parents of my Thomas S. SAYLE, but need more info to verify.--bs]
Another related email from M. Lowe on July 1, 2005:
"Becky, those things that I quoted to you from my 1810 TN book, well they have references by each thing telling where the info was found. They have a number by them and the one for Hannah is the following:
Source 53: Robertson County, County Court Minute book volume 2, 1808-1811, typescript 1939, Works Progress Administration, collection at TSLA, Nashville. Records of 1810 were extracted from pp. 111-176 613 entries. END"
ESTATE RECORDS - Robertson Co. TN Will Books
10-162: Oct. 1838, statement filed by Dr. William Seal, admr. of estate of Elizabeth Duncan, decd; amount of sales of property of decd, $1207.13, less credit $56.23, balance due estate by admr, $1,150.90. (FHL film 425,200)