Hi Judy, Thankyou sooooooo much for looking that up for me I can't tell you how much I appreciate what you have done!!...now see, looking at the information you have given me I come across mixed up relationships all the time...gawd...anyway you have given me a brilliant start on this particular line. I can begin to add them to to 4000+ names I have already added to my tree(and thats mostly my mothers side!!) One thing and Im sorry if this is a dumb question (its been a looooooong day) but what does bic stand for? and bid thats written next to Levi? Im having a senior moment...or two.