Stephen, Thank you for this e-mail.For years those Shively's who descend from the Washington-Marion-Taylor-Green Counties in KY have been searching for our ancestor. We know there was a John, Michael and Jacob Shively.From the 1792 KY Tax Lists we have John listed over 21, Michael listed over 21, and Jacob between 16-21.The only survivor of the 3 in 1850 is Jacob Shively in Taylor County KY who tells the census taker he is 78 years old.For years I have taken this info and figured Jacob was therefore born in 1772. (Could Jacob have given the year 1778 for age 78 to the census taker which would mean he was really 72 in 1850?)(This age 72 for Jacob would place him closer to the age of his wife Sarah who said she was 71).The information on the site that Stephen mentions can be matched with information from The Hepler Family History, 1st Edition, 1986 compiled by Avice Hepler Morgan.In the Hepler information for son Martin (Martin was the son of Michael Scheible) there is one additional son, Johannes Scheible who was born April 21, 1771.We therefore have sons and daughter of Martin being: Johann Michael Scheible b August 13, 1769; Johannes Scheible born April 21, 1771; Christian Scheible born February 5, 1774; Johann Jacob Scheible born August 3, 1778; Peter Scheible born October 19, 1781; Elisabetha Scheible born October 11, 1786. If we look at these birth dates and the 1792 tax list in 1792 John would be 21, Michael would be 23, and Jacob would be 14 (this is not between 16 and 21 so this does leave room that Jacob was born in 1772 as he would be 20 in 1792). John Shively was married in KY in 1794 (if born in 1771 he would be 23), Michael was married in KY in 1797 (if born in 1769 he would be 28), and Jacob was married in KY in 1799 (if he was born in 1778 he would be 21, if born in 1772 he would be 27). On the site that Stephen mentions they list the wife of John as Susanna.We know in KY that my John Shively married Susannah Hayden.There are just many similarities between the KY Shively's and the family of Martin Shively.We further know that John, Jacob, and Michael are listed as heirs of a Michael Shively.Could it be that Martin is deceased and they are listed as heirs of their grandfather instead of their father? My question to the Shively researchers is this:Do any of you have any information in PA about the John, Michael and Jacob who were sons of Martin?Did these boys get married and stay in PA? (If so my theory at this point is totally incorrect). I am hypothesizing this conclusion.I don't wish anyone to take this as evidence until we know more.Please anyone who can help reply.Thank you in advance.