Thanks Very much for Clearing that up. Yes we have very repeated names on my side of the family also and that get very confusing figuring out who is who, that is why I wanted to ask before I got too far into this side again, I have worked my mother's family all the way back to the mid-1700's in South Carolina. Gee it is hard to find anyone back then the records are so scarce. I just want to make sure I had this Sontag thing right, For Rich and the boys. If you have some sort of a Ged.com file or a chart that would be real helpful if you could email me a Family Chart or something off your FTM.