I will haVE TO get my book out. maybe tomorrow its 6 amhere. By the way the book by ann chatham is still for sale last i heard/ It is fairly expensive, $104.00 dollars when it first came out.I recieved a free copy as a contributor Ann is a very nice lady, i have talked to her on the phonethe book is 1300 pages and weighs 9 lbs., but it only goes back to william and judieth.It covers a lot about her father the ex governor of va, (1956) and his dealings with dwight esinhower and Queen Elizabeth. I was trying to connect my william to hers but her genealogist did not think so. i go back to england 1095where the name started.