Thank you for your reply Laura. No I have not seen Stover Bretheren. Valentin and Valentine were first or second names. Here is the descendency that I have found Johann Jacob Stober, 1626 Johann Veltin Stober, 1665 Johann Valentine Stober, 1692 Johann Valentin Stober, 1716 Valentine Stover, 1757 After this point in time the Valentine name or close approximation was dropped. Where would I find the book that you reference? Thanks for your information.