Bill, I've been posting to Marion Hopper about Vintner C Sturman. I have a hard time exceping that they are one and the same. I have a copy of Vintner C will. I also have a list of children from the DAR magazine giving the names of the ch. #2 is Vintner C #4 is Wm Jr. #5 is Valentine. It might be Valentine that is the father of GW as he is in Henderson Co IL in 1840 Census page 052. Notice I said might be! Vintner C will does not mention any living children as he gives all his land his wife's brother. I haven't had a chance to look at the 1840 Census. Maybe it will help.