Sorry I will try to do better about the caps on words. You are right but one of the problems I am finding is it is awfully hard to start with the Yeast family. There is so little to go on. And I did request a forum on them but so far it hasn't shown up. I am still searching elsewhere thru the internet. If you have any suggestions please state them. I was one of the ones that requested the Tarter site(I requested the Tarter Yeast Zuver sites all at the same time). I do know that they are cousins to the Yeast family. I am just trying to start with what I have where I can.