I am trying to do my Havener/Thielen family tree. My great-great grandfather (Nicholas Havener) married a Thielen. However the copy of GREAT grandfathers death record in Danville, IL simply listed his spouces last name as Thielen and no first name. Just that both of them cam from Germany (no village listed). The great great father probably would have been born in the 1830's-40's since his son (my great grandfather was born in 1860. Are there any Thielens out here that are related to any Haveners. Sorry i don't have much to go on. the death record was vague. Sincerely, Rick Brownrbrown@parkland.eduPS Ancestry.com wasn't much help. Thanks for your time.