Hi. This is Steve in Austin, who was mentioned several times in the above messages. I thought I'd explain briefly about my conjecture about Matthew, Lafayette and Valentine Trim. This is a hypothesis that I am working from to try to explain where all the Trim folks are descended from while keeping within bounds of the fact that I have never found any records of Trims entering this country before 1800 (except for the three men mentioned above). I have done most of my work on Matthew Trim, as I am descended from VA/NC Trims. Matthew owned lots of land in tidewater VA, and married into more land there. His last known voyage to America was in about 1700, and I believe that he left descendants there, and that he returned to England. There are lots of records of his presence. Lafayette Trim appeared to make most of his trips to the caribbean, especially Barbados. Altogether, the three captains pretty well covered the entire eastern seaboard with their human shipments to the new world. I surmise that Valentine also left descendants in New England. Until I see evidence that New England Trims came from elsewhere, I will just assume that they MAY be descended from Valentine. I have also seen old photos that have given me, and others, great pause. One woman, born in 1824 and descended from the Massachusetts Trims, bears good resemblance to my gggf Elijah Martin Trim, also born in 1824 (and I bear a strong resemblance to Elijah...). All in all, I just want to make sure you know that I do not insist that anybody is descended from anybody else. It's just a framework that helps me keep my research within certain bounds till I find proofs. If any of you would like to correspond, I'm at firstname.lastname@example.org. By the way, thanks for the interesting conversation. I've learned a bit about the yankee Trims I didn't know before.