kay- pardon me for not recalling exactly how you were connected- I have read back over your messages and see that your ancestor and mine,George Richard, were both children of James Richard Turman. I have a genealogy chart compiled by a descendant of Milton Turman in the early 1930's as a school project. This chart shows her descent from Robert Turman and Katie Spuria through their son Milton Turman, through his daughter Catherine Turman, and her daughter Sarah Sandlin Noe, who was this child's grandmother. I dont think I should name the child on here because she is still living. Although this of course is not PROOF, it is persuasive to me, since at that time the child's elders still had memories, if not of Robart Turman, at least of Milton, and would be likely to know who Milton's father had been. (Milton of course was James Richard's brother). I belive there isstill more circumstantial evidence- I don't have time to look right now, but if you search back through the archives of this forum, you may find posts from Gladys Turman exploring the possibilty that Robert is James & Milton's father, and that Thomas Turman was Robert's father. I believe Robert died before Thomas... I don't know about the 1790 or 1800 censuses which are the only ones that Robert could appear on- I havent looked for him there. I believe it will be court and or probate records that will be more useful in this. Where did you get the idea that Robert had written for newspapers? I would have been surprised if he could sign his name, but if he did writethat would certainly be interestingto find out about! One other thing I noticed in one of your earlier posts- you were enquiring about our ancestor Elizabeth Longmire Turman, and wondering if she went to Texas after James' death in 1858. She did not. She is listed in the 1880 census for Lamar County, living alone, but with children and relatives scattered all over the neighborhood. The census taker noted that she was suffering from "general debility". Elizabeth died in March 1886. She's buried next to her son Leroy in Wofford Cemetery in Lamar County, AL.