I was not quite accurate in my previous messages > I have since spoken to the in-laws who have found the birth certificate for my father in law's father. Details are as follows. George Tutcher born 29th September 1905 in Hull England. Son of John Tutcher a fisherman and Aida Sellina nee Bleaky. It is John who may have come from the West Country but no-one is sure. Armed with this I will go to the recoerds office soon to go back further.