Thanks again for all your info. I guess why you could not find a birth date for my granmother is because according to the date I have for her from the family and1901 and 1911 census Nov. 16, 1897 she would be illegtimate. Where did you get your info. about her family. My son belongs to some Scottish genealogy research groups and he discovered that when John and Mary came from Scotland all John's sibblings but his oldest brother James seemed to have come to Canada and settled in the Campbellford area. I guess that is why there are so few Andersons in the census. The George jr. you mentionoed must be a descendant of one of John's brothers.