Roger Van Cleve, Doug Van Cleave & Cleta Terrell,
You three descendents of Jan Van Cleef-Isabrandt Van Cleef-Aaron Van Cleave-William Van Cleave, by your many wonderful post to genforum, have aroused my interest in the quest for the ancestry of"our" Jan Van Cleef.As you know, our Jan was an early emigrant to New Utrecht, New Netherlands (now New York, Kings co, New York) who md Engeltje Laurens who was born in 1646 in New Amsterdam, New Nethertherlands (now New Amsterdam, Montgomery Co, New York).
My own list of the children of Jan Van Cleef & Engeltje Laurens are essentially the same as Ledley's (THE VAN CLEEF FAMILY, Wilson V. Ledley, C. G., Polyanthos, New Orleans, 1976) except I have switched the order of birth of Anna & Rebecca, and the approximate years of birth are not exactly the same for several of them.I will now give my own list of these ch, followed by a few of my own opinions concerning them.
Nelke 1663, Cornelius abt 1665, Laurens abt 1668, Anna abt 1670, Rebecca abt 1672, ISABRANDT abt 1674/5, Rem abt 1676, Johannes abt 1678, Engeltje abt 1680, Catherine 1681, Joseph & Benjamin 1683, Maritje abt 1685 & Cryten abt 1687/8.Supposed twins, Joseph & Benjamin were prob named for Biblical account of the two close brothers.
If you consider that Jan & Engeltje followed a very common naming pattern, and that Engeltje was a dau of Laurens Pedersen & Anna Peters, then it seems to follow that Jan was a son of a Cornelius Van Cleef & a Nelke (???).Since references have been found to our Jan as Jan Corneliusen Van Cleef, and since there was a Cornelius Adriaenz Van Cleef & Neeltje Jansdr Van der Meulen mentioned in the records of Utrecht, Holland by 1626, there is a very good possibility that our Jan was a son of that Cornelius & Neeltje.Also poss that when he was born abt 1628 (in Utrecht, Holland?) he was their 2nd son, and therefore, named for Neeltje's father, Jan.
There were members of the VAN CLEEFF family mentioned in the records of Utrecht, Holland as far back as the late 1200's, but those records have not been translated into English, that I know of.Those records do include an Adriaen Van Cleeff in late 1400's and another Adriaen Van Cleeff & a Cornelius Jansz Van Cleeff in 1500's.Apparently, several of the members of the Van Cleeff family of Utrecht, Holland held various influencial positions there.
As you also know, there have been numerous suggestions that our Jan Van Cleef was a descendent of the Dukes of Cleves of the Duchy of Cleves, Prussia, and/or that he was a descendant of one of the early Flemish Painters, Artists of Antwerp, Belgium.While I have not found any substantial proof of either theory/claim, I do have some definite opinions of my own on that subject, also.
Wherever the members of our Van Cleef/Van Cleve/ Van Cleave families have lived, including the USA, they have generally conducted themselves in such a manner as to command a high degree of respect, and have held rather high positions in thier communities.That suggests to me that they were born and well-bred in a family of the noble class, somewhere way back there in time, and are probably from different branches of descendents of the early Dukes of Cleves.While the poss branch in Utrecht, Holland were listed in Dutch records as Van Cleeff, the early Flemish Painters used the actual surname of Van Cleve, suggesting a direct descent from the large family from the Duchy of Cleves.
I firmly believe that our Van Cleef line in the USA, whether directly from the Utrecht, Holland branch or indirectly from the Antwerp, Belgium branch, descends from the Van Cleve family with direct connections to the early Flemish Painters.This firm belief is based primarily on my own opinion that "our" ISABRANDT Van Cleef was named for the early Flemish Painter, ADRIAEN ISENBRANDT & that our Isabrandt's next younger brother, Rem was named for REMBRANDT.Isenbrandt is said to have demonsrated "an Italian influence, particularly that of Leonardo da Vinci,"( In the 'Vierge a l'Enfant';The objects d'art room: http://www.fondation-bemberg.fr/COL1a4/col123a.htmhttp://www.fondation-bemberg.fr/COL1a4/col123a.htm)which may suggest that he had some connections to Italy, as did Joos Van Cleve & Abraham Van Nyssen Janssen.Abraham's mother was a de Rappalje, of the same family as Jannetje de Rapplje, one of the ancestors of Isabrandt's wife, Jane Vanderbilt, that I mentioned in an earlier post to this Vancleave fam gen forum.
The following account of Joos Van Cleve is taken from FLEMISH PAINTING from BOSCH to RUEBENS, Jacques Lassaingne & Robert L Delevay (pardon me for not noting publisher or city & year of publication):"Joos van der Beke, better known as Joos van Cleve, was of all Antwerp mannerists the most akin to Quentin Massys.Neither the place nor the date of his birth is known.But the very special nature of his sensibility and the fact that throughout his careeer he kept in contact with Germany lead us to believe that the name he made famous may properly be taken at its face value and that he hailed from the ancient city of Cleves on the Lower Rhine.Though the presence at Genoa of an 'Adoration of the Magi' (Church of San Donato) and a 'Nativity' (Galleria Balbi) cannot definitely prove that he lived for nay length of time in Italy, there is no reason to question the commonly held view that he was in Genoa anyhow during the period when that city was under the control of Philip of Cleves, Lord of Ravensteyn (1501-1506).His arrival in Antwerp is proved by his having qualified as master in the local Guild of Painters in 1511."
Note: our Jannetje de Rappalje, mentioned above & in an earlier post, actually married Rem Jansen van der Beek, so did some branch of the early Van Cleve family use this surname as a way of denoting their place of origin/birth?
Note: Joos Van Cleve, alias Joos Van Cleve van der Beke, Flemish Painter in Antwerp, Belgium (1511-1541), had three sons who were also Flemish Painters, although thier works are evidently not near as famous.William Van Cleve abt 1490 (had sons Joos, the younger & Cornelius),Henrick Van Cleve abt 1495 (prob had a son Joos) and Martin abt 1500 (had sons; Gilles, Marten, Jooris & Claes).
Note: (Adriaen) Isenbrandt "was admitted to the Guild of Bruges in 1510 (Isenbrandt: ibid).Also see the "PROVENANCE research project'The Crucifiction' circa 1525 Adriaen IsenbrandtFlanders active 1515-1551 (http://www.lacma.org/Provenance/isenbrandt/isenbrandt.htm)."
Does anyone have the names of the wives of the Van Cleve Flemish painters?That would sure be of some help & interest, but it's doubtful to me that those names are available.Perhaps Joos Van Cleve (van der Beke) & Adriaen Isenbrandt being contemporary Flemish Painters, some of their ch may have md,giving our Jan Van Cleef even a better reason than possible interest in Flemish art, for naming two sons, so early in the birth order of his ch, Isabrandt and Rem(brandt?).
The next post I will try to get to very soon, definitely will mention the wives of my John & Benjamin Van Cleave, Mary Shepherd & Ruth Munson.They, with their daus, demonstrated their own bravery & well-bred character traits, at the Squire Boone's Station in the "Battle of Boone's (or Floyd's) Defeat", wherein my Mary Shepherd & one of her daus were killed by the Indians led by Simon Girty, during the Revolutionary War.