Most sources seem to identify the wife of Mattys Vandenberg (b. 1705/06) as Rebecca Hendrickse, but trace her family no further.It's one of the family's deadends.
Now, however, I've come across a source that indicates Rebecca's maiden name was actually Hoener or Haner.The source for this is Franklin Miller's "A Haner/Hayner Family in America," whose 3rd edition was published in 2001.A Haner descendant send me the following synopsis, which traces several generations prior to Rebecca.The synopsis is preceded by our exchange of messages.
The synopsis includes four children of Mathys and Rebecca Vandenberg, but not, unfortunately, Richard Vandenburg, who married Annatje Bronck.
I'd appreciate others' opinion of this.If "Hendrickse" was not, in fact, Rebecca's maiden name, that could explain why it has been a deadend all these years.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Stoddard
To: Mark E. Dixon
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: Rebecca Hoener/Haner
I did have the good fortune to speak with Franklin Miller Jr., several years ago.He served as the Hayner family historian for many years.If I remember correctly he was a University professor in the field of Physics.
The bookis “A Haner/Hayner Family in America” I do own the 2nd & 3rd editions.The 3rd having been published in 2001.Mr. Miller had plans of another book related to a different branch of his family and gave up the historian’s post.I haven’t heard that he died but would be a very old man by now.The Hayner family Association may still have copies for sale and there was talk of a 4th edition.If it ever happened or not I can’t say but it is probably still in the works.They were still gathering information fairly recently.
I also downloaded a full copy of the on line version, which I could probably send as a WordPad document. I’m not sure if it’s the 2nd or 3rd edition.
From: Mark E. Dixon
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 10:00 AM
To: Gene Stoddard
Subject: Re: Rebecca Hoener/Haner
Thanks, Gene.Do you mind if I share your message with a couple of the Vandenberg lists?Rebecca "Hendrickse" is apparently a dead end for everyone.I have never seen a source indicating her parents, which seems unusual.Most of my other Dutch lines have been traced back to the Netherlands.Perhaps that's because everyone has been using the wrong name.
And, BTW, what is the name of Franklin Millers'book?
Again, I appreciate your help.
From: Gene Stoddard
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 1:46 AM
To: Mark E. Dixon
Subject: Re: Rebecca Hoener/Haner
I’ll try to look into this a little more but the data below is from a published genealogy by Franklin Miller Jr.This would be the only place I’ve seen this couple.The Hendickse name would be new to me.
I do know that patronymics was in vogue at the time but don’t have any reason to believe it would change anything here as Rebecca’s father is found as Johannes or Jors.I do have the books but this was from an on-line copy.I’m not certain but I think it’s been pulled from the internet.No doubt to aid flagging sales of the books.
I hope this helps – Gene Stoddard
Updated April, 1998
1st GENERATION IN AMERICA
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The first generation in America of our family was Johannes Häner who was born about 1675 in Storndorf, Hesse. As a Palatine emigrant, he left Germany in 1709, arrived in America in 1710 and died about 1759. The origins and background of our immigrant ancestor are described more fully in the chapters of Part I of this book.
JOHANNES HANER, baptized 22 Jan 1675 in Storndorf, s/o Curt Häner, a miller at Storndorf, Hesse, and his wife Anna, who was born a Schauben (see page 20). Johannes was a miller in Birstein when he married (1st) on 17 Jan 1703 Anna Catharina Schneider, d/o Johann Schneider of Fischborn. If there were children, we do not know their names or dates. Anna no doubt died before Johannes left Germany; Johannes would hardly have remarried so soon if she died in 1710.
JOHANNES HANER, bp 22 Jan 1675, as a widower married (2nd) on 27 Jul 1710 at West Camp Catharina Monsieur, b 3 Oct 1693, d/o Hans Jacob Monsieur and Anna Catharine Bohmer of Steinsfurt, Germany (see page 34). Johannes Haner/Hoener/Hener/Heiner was one of the four trustees to whom 6000 acres were granted on Livingston Manor at present Germantown, NY for use of the Palatines; he died about 1759 probably at Rhinebeck, NY. According to tradition his wife Catharina lived to be 102. There is no definitive Bible record of the births of his 12 children, whose order of birth is not entirely certain. In the following pages these children are designated as the 2nd Generation in America.
+1.Bernhardt m(1) Catharina; m(2) Elizabeth Finckel
+2.Rebecca m Matthys Van den Burg
+3.Eva Margaret m Johannes Conrad
+4.Johannes, Jr. m Anna Maria Schever (Shaffer)
+5.Anna Maria m Johannes Hondsicker (Hunsinger)
+6.George (Jurry)m(1) Anna Catharina Hagedorn;
m(2) Anna Maria Cooper
+7.Johannes m Eva Van Etten
+8.Samuelm(1) Rebecca Feller;
m(2) Eliza Kiefer (Knifer)
+9.Heinrich m Barbara Haver
10.Werner m Maria Kreller (no issue)
+11.Philip m Eva Trevor (Treber)
+12.Jacob m Magdalena Kreller
The earliest signature of Johannes, the immigrant, is given in a 1740 document as Hoener; no family members used that spelling after about 1775. See the discussion on page 21 of the many spellings of the family name.
2nd GENERATION IN AMERICA
1.BERNHARDT HOENER (Hener) and wife Catharina were on St. Peter's Church Family List ca Feb 1734 (Rhinebeck Luth. Chbk), with no children listed. He married (second?) Elizabetha Finckel, d/o (not proved) Johann Philip Finckel & Anna Catharina. Although his name is spelled Hener in some church records, he signed very legibly in his own hand "Bernhardt Hoener" on a court document in which his name is given as Barnt Hener in the text of the document. His children used the spelling "Heiner".
There are several uncertainties about Bernhardt Hoener/Hener, his marriages and his children. On the church list of 1734 appears Joh. Philipp Finckel and Elizabetha, his sister, plus apparently children Joh. Georg and Margaretha. This Joh. Philipp Finckel is elsewhere recorded as born 26 Jul 1712, bp 28 Jul 1712 (Rev. Kocherthal records). It appears that Elizabetha had not yet married Bernhardt and was in the household of a (perhaps) widowered brother who was born 1712. She, too, could have been born a bit after 1712.
We can only estimate, on the basis of his oldest child born in 1736, that Bernhardt Hener was born about 1714. It is possible, but not very likely, that he was a surviving child of the first wife of the immigrant (Anna Catharina Schneider) who must have died before Johannes set sail for America in Spring, 1710. Lacking firm proof to the contrary, we will consider him to be the eldest child of Johannes Häner and the second wife Catharina Monsieur who were married in 1710 in America.
Although there was a 6-year interval between the first and second children of Bernhardt, the first child Johannes is shown in the St. Peter's Lutheran Chbk at Rhinebeck as born or baptized on 22 Apr 1736, son of Berent Hener & Elisabet, so Johannes was not the son of Bernhardt's first wife Catharina. In the church record, the date is also designated as "1 Pasch." or 1st Sunday after Easter. We have verified that Easter Sunday was April 15 1736 (Old Style).
Bernhardt (Barent) Hener (Hoener) appears on land records of old Germantown as tenant on several lots.
+15.Johannes, b or bp 22 Apr 1736
16.Elizabetha, b 9 Jan 1742; bp 2 May 1742 at Camp; sp Lizabeth Heiner & Werner Heiner (Loonenburg Luth).
17.Catharina, b 2 Oct 1743, bp 28 Oct 1743; sp Johann Mussier & Catharina (Ger Ref). Apparently died in infancy.
+18.Anna Maria, bp 11 Jan 1746
+19.Bernhardt, b 30 Mar 1747
[+]20.Catharina, bp 8 Oct 1749
+21.Conrad, b 28 Jun 1751
22.Martinus, bp 20 Mar 1753; sp Martin Linck (Lieck) & wife (Ger Ref). He was a sponsor at Schaghticoke Ref Church in 1773.
2.REBECCA HANER, b Livingston Manor, m 5 Jul 1734 Matthys Van den Berg (Burg, Bergh) (Cats Ref). Issue: (VAN DEN BERG)
23.Catharina, bp 16 Oct 1739 (Ger Ref)
24.Peter, bp 2 Jun 1744
25.Johannes, bp 8 Feb 1747
26.Matthys, bp 7 Sep 1755
3.EVA HANER, m. Johannes Conrad. Issue: (CONRAD)
27.Johannes, b 8 Dec 1741, bp 7 Jun 1742; sp Johannes Lesscher & Anna Maria Klom (Clum) (Ger Ref).
4.JOHANNES HENER, JR., was in Germantown Ref Chbk with wife Anna Maria Schever (Shaster, Schaster, Schäffer) and 8 children. This couple is named as Hannes Heiner, Jr. and Anna Maria, his wife, parents of Jacob (see #30 below).
28.Catharina, bp 7 Oct 1741; sp Johannes Hener & Catharine (Ger Ref); died in infancy.
+29.Johannes, bp 28 Oct 1743
30.Jacob, b 26 Sep 1745, bp 9 Oct 1745 at Camp (Zion Luth Church, Loonenberg, Greene County); sp Jurge Heiner & wife Cathar.
+31.Petrus, b 18 Jan 1746 (too close to Jacob; probably 1747).
+32.David, b 16 Jan 1749
+ 33.Elizabeth, bp 9 Sep 1751
+34.Frederick, bp 21 Jan 1754
35.Catharina, bp 4 Feb 1756; sp Orgel Hauser (Urial Heiser) & wife Anna Cath. Haver (Ger Ref).
5.ANNA MARIA HEINER (Henner), b on Livingston Manor, married Johannes Hunsinger (Honsinger, Hondsecker, Henneshecker), s/o Richert (?) Hunsinger. The churchbook record at birth of their daughter Catharina (#38) lists the parents as Johannes Hunsicker & Maria Hennerin. They lived at Rhinebeck Flats, NY. Issue: (HUNSINGER) (present-day spelling Honsinger):
36.Elizabeth Hunsinger, (Honsinger, Hunsicker), b 1741 in Rhinebeck Flats, NY, d Brunswick Center, NY; m 1 Feb 1758 Johan Melchior File, b Unterowisheim, Germany 31 Jan 1726, d Oct 1820 (will probated 1821) in Brunswick, NY, where he kept a tavern. He was s/o Johann Christopher File & Anna Maria Zoller. The first child was born in Rhinebeck, NY, the rest in Center Brunswick; all but the first were bp in First Reformed Church in Albany, NY. Johan Melchior File later m Catharina Heiner (#20), d/o Bernhardt Hener & Elizabeth Finckel; see under her code number for their 11 children. Issue of Elizabeth Hunsinger File:
[4a].Christopher File, b 29 May 1757, d 3 Apr 1846 Brunswick, NY; m 14 May 1786 Janet De Moret (Di Mori at bp of three of her ch) (an 1846 deposition has "Jane File", age 80), b 31 Jul 1765 in France or in Hoosick, NY, d 9 Apr 1848 Brunswick, NY; bu Gilead Luth cem. One son was John Melchior File, Jr., b 19 Jan 1788, d 7 Aug 1850, m Rebecca Lohnes, b 25 Jul 1793-94, d 30 Oct 1866. Issue includes Margaret File (1817), m 1842 William Sewal Turner, great grandparents of Margaret Seifert Slack of Penfield, NY. Another son of Christopher File and Janet De Moret was Peter File, b 29 Dec 1802 Brunswick, NY m 30 Dec 1826 Hannah Hayner, b 13 May 1804 in Center Brunswick, NY, d there 7 Feb 1840 [she has not yet been placed]. Issue: 1.Elias (1827); 2.Hiram (1828); 3.Clista (1830), m Uriah Sheffer; 4.Elizabeth (1831), m Abraham Roberts; 5.Jane (1835); 6.Julia (1838, d.y).
[4b].Elizabeth File, b 31 May 1761, d 12 Apr 1840 in Glens Falls, NY. She was adopted by her aunt Elizabeth Phyle and uncle Isaac van Arnum. She m 18 Jul 1781 John Folsom, b 17 May 1756 in Stratford, CT, d 4 Aug 1839 in Glens Falls, NY.
[4c].Maria File, b 18 Mar 1763, d before 1815 Noyan, Missisquoi Co., Quebec; m ca 1783 Captain Henry Emrick (Henrich Emmerich), b 1750, bp 24 Oct 1759 Claverack, NY, d 6 Feb 1854 Clarenceville, Quebec at age 104. He was a soldier in the British Army during the American Revolution; signed up for 4 years in the King's Regiment, was granted land in 1778 on Caldwell's Manor in Lower Canada (now Clarenceville and Noyan.) The 2nd of their 6 children was
.John Matthias Emrick, b 1790 Noyan, Que; d there 23 Jul 1869. He m 1814 Lucy Billings, b 1795 Arlington, VT, d 24 Sep 1867 Noyan, Que. The first of their 11 children was
.Julia Anna Emrick, b 1815 Noyan, Que, d 6 May 1887 St. Armand, Que; m 29 Aug 1839 at Shoreham, VT Josephus Boyden Hamilton, b 1818 Bridport, VT. The 2nd of their 3 children was
.Ellen Ermina Hamilton, b 9 Sep 1845 Bridport, VT, d 22 Dec 1928 Alburg, VT. She m as his 2nd wife on 4 Oct 1866 Ransom Wells Darby, b 4 Oct 1820, d 24 Aug 1900 Alburg, VT, s/o George Darby & Rebecca (van) Steenberge. The 2nd of their 2 children was
.Aubrey Wells Darby, b 25 Dec 1869 Alburg, VT, d 2 Jan 1965 Menands, NY; m 1 Dec 1905 Grace Helen Cheesman, b 19 Jul 1885 Clarenceville, Missisquoi Co., Que, d 1 Mar 1915 Alburg, VT, d/o Aaron Albert Cheeseman & Ada Avis Salls. The 2nd of their 2 ch was
.Ellen Ermina Darby, b 7 Apr 1912 Alburg, VT, m 12 Sep 1937 Milton Charles Livingston, b 8 Jan 1909 New York City, s/o Charles Milton Livingston & Angelina Maria Andrioli. Their only child was
.Darby Gary Livingston, b 13 Sep 1940. He has been a diligent researcher for the first edition of this family history and later; his assistance is most appreciated by all of the family. Darby's ancestry includes the families of Derrick, File, Brust and many other interconnecting lines in addition to his Heiner line. He is a descendant of the immigrant Johannes Häner and Catharina Monsieur/Mustirr through #5.Maria Heiner, then #36.Elizabeth Hunsinger, then Maria File as listed above.
[4d].Catharina File, b 7 May 1764, d Wynantskill, NY; m Philip Dater.
[4e].Isaac File, b 17 May 1766, d 16 May 1839 Pittstown, Rensselaer Co., NY. He m Rebecca Hanor (#98), b 23 Jul 1771 Claverack, NY, d 10 Jan 1847 Pittstown, NY; d/o Bernhardt Heiner (Barent) & Anna Maria Hop (Hopps); both bu Raymerstown, NY. See under her code for their 6 children.
[4f].Jacob File, b 5 Jun 1768, d 31 Mar 1829; m Anna Maria Hanor (#100), d/o Bernhardt Heiner (Barent) & Anna Maria Hop. See under her code number for their 7 children.
[4g].Magdalena File, b 4 Apr 1771; prob. d.y.; not in her father's will.
[4h].Melchior File, b 3 May 1773, d 1825; m(1) Jannatje; m(2) Rachel Jenckes.
[4i].Christina File, b 17 Jul 1775, d 19 Apr 1857 Brunswick, NY; m 11 Oct 1789 George Brust, b 18 May 1764 Brunswick, NY, d there 27 Oct 1841, s/o Jacob Brust & Anna Katharina Wolf; grandparents of George Button who m Christina Lohnes (see #114).
37.Jacob, bp 10 May 1741; sp Jury Hyner & Catrina Mosser (or, sp by Jury Symen & Catharina Masser); bp at RDC of Rhinebeck Flatts.
38.Catharina, bp 19 Feb 1744; sp Cattarina Henner (RH Luth).
39.Maria, b 24 Mar 1748, bp 11 Apr 1748; sp John Henner & Eva (Stn Ch).
40.Petrus, b 14 Feb 1750, bp 4 Mar 1750; sp Martin Thiel & wife Magdalena (Stn Ch); lived at Center Brunswick, NY.
41.Abraham, b 23 Jan 1752; bp 5 Mar 1752; sp Michael Hunsinger & wife Christina (Stn Ch).
6.GEORGE HANOR (Jurry)(Georg Häner), b on Livingston Manor, taxed at Rhinebeck, NY 1743-44. He was married twice; m(1).Anna Catharina Hagedorn, dau of Johann Christopher Hagedorn (Hogendorn) and Anna Barbara.
+42.Johannes, b 7 Aug 1744, went to Canada.
+43.Anna, b 9 Nov 1746
+44.Elizabeth, b 31 Dec 1748 or 1749
+45.Margaretha, b 11 Apr 1751
+46.Christopher, b ca 1752
47.Abraham, (was in 1810 census of Greene Co., along with John, Jacob, and Martin)
48.Thomas, bp 6 Nov 1757; sp Thomas Bechtel & wife Catharina Hagendorn (Clav Ref).
+49.Martin, b 25 Dec 1759
+50.Jacob, bp 13 May 1761
6.GEORGE HANOR, b on Livingston Manor; m(2) Anna Maria Cooper
+51.Jurry (George), bp 30 Jun 1770; sp Martin Krum & Lisabeth Near (Clav Ref).
7.JOHANNES HEINER, (2nd of same name in this family) b ca 1724, married as a single man from Livingston Manor on 20 Apr 1746 Eva Van Etten, b in Dutchess Co., NY, bp 12 Nov 1727 (First Dutch Church, Kingston, NY), possibly d/o Jacob Petresen Van Etten and Margrietje Symons Kool (not proved)(Eva's mother, bp 15 Oct 1699 Kingston, given by Charles Lewis, Phoenix, AZ, who also gives her father as Jacob Adriaensen Van Etten, bp 17 Jul 1698 at Kingston, m there on 11 May 1722). On 12 Apr 1748 Johannes Hoener was confirmed by the Rev. Johann Christophorus Hartwig at St. Peters Luth Church, Rhinebeck (page 307 of chbk) as Johannes Hoener (age 24), at same time his brothers Samuel (age 21), Philip (age 18) and Jacob (age 15) were confirmed. Johannes had been baptized by the New York minister Johan Van Driesen, sponsored at baptism by Joh. Blass and his wife (Rhinebeck Luth Chbk), sponsored at confirmation by David Reichard. These records of confirmation and baptism prove that he was the son of Johannes Haner (the immigrant) who, like his father Curt Haner in Germany, had two surviving sons named Johannes. This couple is named Johannes Hener, Jr. and Eva Vanetta Hener as parents at the baptisms of Catharina (#53) and Samuel (#55) (Red Hook Luth). Johannes and Eva (Van Etten) Heiner/Hayner went to Brunswick, NY (per Julie Steitz), probably in the 1760s.
+52.Johannes, bp 12 Oct 1746
+53.Catharina, bp 13 Jan 1748 (RH Luth)
+54.Martinus, b 12 Oct 1750 (birth date not documented).
54a.David, bp Christ Luth, Germantown (per J.Steitz) date? issue?
+55.Samuel, bp 29 Aug 1756 (RH Luth)
56.Joseph, bp 4 May 1759 (RH Luth); sp Joseph Reichard & Anna Nier (RH Luth). He was a Loyalist, not in Butler's Rangers; had children who were in Niagara.
+57.Zachariah, b 22 Jul 1761 (bp Rhinebeck Ref)
58.Margaretha, bp 1 May 1764; sp Stephanus Borgard & wife Rebecca (Rhinebeck Luth). This is probably Margaret Haner, daughter of Johannes, who m Conrad Pames (s/o Conrad) on 4 Sep 1791 at Rhinebeck Lutheran Church.
+59.Philip, b 29 Jun 1770
8.SAMUEL HEINER, bp 23 Oct 1726 at Jacob Schumacher's by Pastor Berckenmeyer at Camp as "one of twins, the other being dead, of Hannes Heiner (Lutheran) and Catherine (Reformed); sponsors Saml. Miller & Anna Cath." [Source: New York Genealogical and Biographical Register, Vol. 97, Baptisms of the Lutheran Church in New York 1725-27.] Confirmed as Samuel Hoener, age 21, on 12 Apr 1748 at Stn Ch in Rhinebeck, NY, confirmation sponsor Johannes Hunsinger; three of his brothers were confirmed on the same date. He married (1st) at Rhinebeck, NY on 21 May 1754Rebecca Feller (Kingston Ref), b ca 1729, d/o Philip Feller (Fellers, Veller) & Catharine Rau; they were baptismal sponsors 25 Feb 1778, but were not in the 1790 census.
60.Margaret, b 1756; m Nicholas Fellers.
61.Rebecca, b 1757 (History of Rhinebeck, Vol. 2, p. 248); m Richard Servis.
62.Philippus, bp 25 Jan 1759; sp Philip Veller (Feller) & wife Catharina Rau (RH Luth). Probably d. young, not in History of Rhinebeck.
+63.Wilhelmus, bp 24 Dec 1760
+64.Catharina, b 3 Jul 1763
+65.Jeremiah, b 24 Aug 1765
+66.Jacob Johannes, b 11 Sep 1766
8.SAMUEL HEINER, bp 23 Oct 1726 m (2nd) Elizabeth Kiefer (Knifer)
+67.Maria, b 23 Jan 1783
9.HEINRICH HEINER, b 30 Apr 1728; bp at Kamp (East Camp); sp Henr. Hagdorn & wife Maria (NY Luth). He married as son of Hannes Hener on 21 Nov 1749 Barbara Haver (Barbel), dau of Christian Haver (Ger Ref). According to History of Dutchess Co., page 172, she was buried 2 Sep 1757. The Linlithgo Ref Chbk, at Livingston, NY, has both Henrich and Abraham recorded as sons of Henrich Heiner & Barbara Haver, but the birthdates are too late; they may have been born ca 1755 and 1757 and baptized several years after their mother's death.
+68.Petrus, bp 12 Mar 1750 or 22 Sep 1751 at Camp
+69.Jacob, bp 4 Nov 1753
+70.Henrich, bp 22 Nov 1761
+71.Abraham, bp 6 Oct 1763
10.WERNER HEINER (Warner), married Maria Kreller. He was a sponsor to a Bernhardt Heiner on 15 Oct 1751 (Loonenburg Luth), and to Catharina (#53), dau of Johannes Heiner (Hener, Hohner, Honer) and Eva Van Etten in 1748 (RH Luth), and to other children given in this book. It does not appear that he had any children of his own. We are not sure of his order of birth; perhaps before Samuel (ca 1725), since he was a baptismal sponsor for #16 as early as 1742. He might have been a twin, (but not Samuel's twin, who died).
11.PHILIP HEINER (Haner), b ca 1730 Livingston Manor, bp by Pastor Berckenmeyer, sponsor Philip Schultheiss, d 1800 in West Sand Lake, NY (will pr 23 Aug 1800). He married at Stone Church, as son of Johannes, on 15 Oct 1751 Eva Trevor (Treber), b 8 Mar 1734, sp Sebastian Trever & wife Christina Uhl (Rhinebeck Luth), dau of Peter Trever (Treber) of Rhinebeck who was bp 1700 at Wollstein, Critznach, Germany and Catharina Dorothea Row. He was confirmed at age 18 on 12 Apr 1748 as Philip Hoener; confirmation sponsor Michael Zipperle (Stn Ch at Rhinebeck); three of his brothers were confirmed on the same date. Philip lived in Greenbush (West Sand Lake), NY, survived in 1800 by his wife Eva. Each of his sons had a middle initial "P", probably for "Philip".
72.Rebecca, b 1 Jun 1754, bp 30 Jun 1754; sp Samuel Huenner & Rebecca Feller (Rhinebeck Flats Ref).
+73.Johannes Philip, bp 19 Jun 1757
+74.Johanna, b ca 1757; possibly a twin of Johannes; not in Chbk. but is in her father's will.
+75.Catharina, b ca 1760
+76.Anna Maria, bp 5 Feb 1762
+77.Anna, b 18 Nov 1764
+78.Philip P., b 5 Feb 1767
+79.Maria Barbara, b ca 1768
+80.Petrus P., b 25 Mar 1770
+81.Henrich Philip, bp 1774
+82.George Philip, b 17 Mar 1777
12.JACOB HEINER, bp 13 Oct 1732; sp Jacob & Margaretha Bayer; bp by Dom. Mansius at Ger Ref). Another reading of the record has him bp 16 Dec 1732 with sp Jacob & Margaretha Geger. He was confirmed 12 Apr 1748, aged 15 years; confirmation sponsor Martin Thiel (Rhinebeck Luth Chbk). Three of his brothers were confirmed on the same date. He married 11 Nov 1752Magdalena Kreller (Rhinebeck Ref Chbk 1751-52).
83.Maria, bp 27 Mar 1754; sp Werner Heiner & Maria Kreller (Rhinebeck Flats Ref).
84.Margaretha, b 25 Mar 1756, bp 19 Apr 1756; sp Johannes Hondsicker & Margaret Kreller (Rhinebeck Flats Ref).
85.Catharina, bp 27 Jan 1765 at Hoseck; sp Sebastian Diel & wife (Scho Luth).
86.Wilhelm, b 24 Apr 1767; sp Hanne Heene & Margaret Davenport (Schaghticoke Ref).
87.Cornelius, b 15 Mar 1770; sp Cornelius v. Esch & Alida v. Woert (Alb Ref).
88.Johannes, b 20 May 1775 (Schaghticoke Ref).
The following two daughters are not well documented but are included for the sake of possible later connection:
13.CATHARINA HANER, married Adam Huff. Source: First edition of this book; reference not given. In History of the Hall Family, published ca 1959 by Mrs. Gladys Meier of Brownsville, TX, the name of Catharina is included, without the spouse Adam Huff; reference not given. Study of The Palatine Families of New York 1710 by Henry Z. (Hank) Jones shows that [Johan] Adam Hoff, Hunter Lists #311, was in New York in 1710, married Anna Catharina Hämer (Hemmer). One son Johan Philip Hoff b 26 Jun 1717 married 1741 Christina (Crollius), widow of Albertus Fels; their dau. Catharina Hoff at baptism in 1742 was sponsored by Adam Hoff and Catharina Heiner (Red Hook Luth. Chbk). This sponsorship may be the source of the listing of Catharina in this book's first edition; or the name of Adam Hoff's wife (Hämer) could have been confused with Heiner. There is no necessary reason that the sponsors Adam Hoff and Catharina Heiner were man and wife; the sponsor could have been a friend of the family such as Catharina (Hagendorn) Heiner, first wife of George Hanor/Haner/Heiner (Jurry), or she could have been Catharina Mustirr Häner, wife of the immigrant. Later we find that in 1750 the sponsors for another grandchild of Adam Hoff were Adam Hoff and Catharina Hoff (Germantown Ref. Chbk).
14.MARGARETA HANER, Source: First edition of this book; reference not given. The History of the Hall Family gives Margareta, with spouse Hannes Elby; issue Anna (1765) seems improbably late; reference not given.
GEORGE HANER is buried in the old Krum Church cemetery north of Hillsdale. The marker reads "GEORGE HANER departed this life Jan 13 1809 in the 76th year of his age". We cannot place this person, who was born about 1733; perhaps a previously unknown son of the immigrant (although we already have a George, born about 1720), or from another Haner family. No grave stones near this one give any clue as to his identity, although many of our Haners worshipped at this church which is now no longer standing. A 1790 census of Hillsdale lists George Haner, 3 or 4 males, 2 or 3 females; also Abraham Haner and Jacob Haner.
A record in the Red Hook churchbook gives in the year 1742 (no closer date) the birth of "Bastian" (Sebastian), son of Johan Michael Pulz, (Pultz, Puls, Pols) and Barbara Kuchenheimer (Gugenheim, Cookingham). In preparing the first edition of this book the "heimer" part of Barbara's name was read as "heiner", and the husband was read as Johan Mickenpolo. We now know that the entry for Barbara, No. 1 in the first edition, was in error. Thanks to Henry Z. "Hank" Jones and Arthur Kelly for helping straighten this out.
From: Mark E. Dixon
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 10:43 PM
Subject: Rebecca Hoener/Haner
Gene, you seem to be the only person on the Web who identifies the wife of Matthias/Mattys Vandenberg as Rebecca Hoener/Haner rather than as Rebecca Hendrickse.Can you tell me where you found this information.
I'm a descendant of this couple by their son, Richard, who married Annatje Bronck.
I appreciate your help.
Mark E. Dixon