I see that Ed Gusman is still clinging to the "fairy tale".Richard's response was to challenge Mr Gusman to find real records to prove his position, instead of clinging to 3 unsupported affadavits as the whole truth.That is essentially what I have been telling Mr Gusman for years.He needs to quit wasting our time with the contents of Violet Voorhees seriously flawed DAR application, and pursue genuine proof of his claim.I understand his problem - how do you go about finding proof for things that didn't happen?Mr Gusman says that he has been unable to take the Van Siclen ancestry back beyond Maria's father, Cornelius.Of course, the reason he can't is because he is using the erroneous data from the DAR application as a research guide.Catharine Johnson was not Maria's mother, so he is locked in to finding the ancestry of people who didn't exist.
Of Maria's lineage: Fact - Her mother was Hannah Lawson, aka Hannah Lassing, aka Hannah Lassen, born Annetje Lassen.Maria's father, Cornelius, was the son of Ferdinand Van Sic(k)len and Elizabeth Brouwer.Maria had a son named Ferdinand, and a brother named Ferdinand.Name seemed to run in the family.A little bit of research in Dutchess County New York, and Eddy would quickly find his ancestors.It is easily traceable back to immigrant Ferdinand of the 1650s
Fact - Femmentje Van Der Veer, as mentioned, was Maria's great grandmother.Femmentje was the first wife of Cornelius Sr, who was, in fact, the Cornelius married to Catharine Johnson.Catharine was NOT Maria's mother.That error still goes back to Violet Voorhees mistake in assuming that the only marriage record she could find for a Cornelius must be to Maria's mother.She came up with the name and gave same to Fanny and Ferdinand, and they simply repeated her mistake.When you set aside the flawed DAR application and begin "real" research, the truth flows freely.
Fact - The fact that there was a connection between Cornelius Sr, who left Gravesend and moved to Dutchess County, and Richard Stillwell has long been known.A will noting that Cornelius sold his Gravesend land to Richard would be no surprise.Is this Cornelius related to Maria?Of Course.He is the one married 1) to Femmentje Van Der Veer and 2) Catharine Johnson, Maria's great grandfather.
On the exact spelling of the surname: Fact - ALL dedicated researchers know and understand that most early family surnames appear in various records under a variety of spellings.Spelling was not a primary focus of our ancestors.I find it odd that Mr Gusman still harps about exact spelling, considering that he freely admits to spelling variation in his very own Gusman line.It appears that the exact spelling rule applys to Van Siclen, but not to Gusman.How interesting.And note too that the "exact spelling" "Van Siclen" as taken from the application/affadavits was an arbitrary choice of Mr Gusman's, since the surname apppears in several different spelling variations in the affadavits and DAR application.
Fact - Maria's real father, who just happens to buried under Mr Gusman's exact spelling "Cornelius Van Siclen", in Brighton Twp, Ontario Canada, can be positively identified by comparing the birth date of his tombstone with the birth record of his baptism in the Poughkeepsie DRC Church.Of course, Ed will say that despite the birthdate match, they have to be different people, because the surnames are not spelled exactly alike.His father, Ferdinand, however has various records spelled "Van Sicklen", "Van Sickler", "Van Sighelen", as well as Ed's preferred "Van Siclen", and when all evidence is considered, it is clear that it is the same man.And this Cornelius of Brighton had a daughter named Maria who was born Sep 15, 1801(baptised Fishkill, NY), said date being an exact match for Maria VS Eastling found in the Eastling bible.And her mother was Hannah Lawson(Lasson, Lassing, Lassen, etc).
In short, Ed Gusman is a NON-RESEARCHER, who believes that family folklore is truth, and that real records are unnecessary...especially if they contradict the highly treasured folklore.