Hello again Bob, I'm glad my info was interesting to you. And yes!, the DAGES line can be hard to follow. There is a loosely knit group of DAGES' who trade information re: family history. There is a family history book also. Unfortunately, the particular family in question is included as an appendage as no one seems to know exactly where they fit in. I would love to find that common thread and look forward to sharing with you. As for Wilhelm being listed as father of the sons, I have only one clue. Wilhelm 1 was Kaiser at the time and wrote a letter to Christine commending her on the birth of eight sons. I will follow up with a personal email to you explaining my sources of information. Looking forward to talking with you.