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John Cloud (b. Feb 05, 1739/40, d. Feb 01, 1840)John Cloud (son of William Cloud and Alice Hardin) was born Feb 05, 1739/40 in New Light Creek, NC, and died Feb 01, 1840 in Clifton Place, Winn Parish, LA.He married Elizabeth Lacey on Abt. 1779 in By the Cumberland River, in Kentucky.
Notes for John Cloud:
Ref:DAR 344140Cemetery close to Saline Lake
From Bruce Evans:
John CLOUD was born on 5 Feb 1739/40 in Cumberland KY. He died on 1 Feb 1840 in Winn Parish, LA. He has reference number F003.
1740: Born in Edinburgh, Scotland (or New Light Creek, N.C.) on February 5. Came to America with his parents; landed at Jamestown, Va., and settled on Cherokee Strip (or Pond), N.C. (He later attested that he was born on New Light Creek, N.C.)
1776: Volunteered in Militia of South Carolina under General Williams. At this time he resided in what was then called Wilkes County, State of Georgia. The tour of duty lasted about one month. Then he went on another tour of duty from White Hall in S.C. to Rayborn's Creek. Colonel Thompson and Col. Richardson served in this unit. In the same winter or early next spring he enlisted under Capt. Lenn Marbary for 18 months. He was living in Ga. when he enlisted this time. The Lieutenant of this Company was Hatton Middleton. He served out this enlistment and received a discharge from Capt. Marbary, which he left in his father's house in Ga. and the house was burned by the Tories. During this tour he was stationed in a Fort on Ogechee? River. After discharge he returned home where all were warned to protect themselves from Tories and Indians.
1777: Drafted in the Militia of Georgia and served under Capt. Duley. Tour lasted two weeks. During this tour he marched from Wilkes County, Ga. to the Cherokee towns. The party killed some Indians and burned two Indian towns. After this tour he enlisted under Capt. John Steward of Calvary to scout against Indians in the upper part of Georgia. He served 18 months under this enlistment. He believed Capt. Steward was commissioned by Congress or Gen. Washington. He was stationed during this tour on Broad River in Ga. for nearly the whole time but was sent to FT. Barrington on the Uttanabald River, at 'Cat Head' about 3 miles from Ft. Barrington, Colonel Scriven joined the command and they marched up the Uttanabald? River on a scout against the Tories. He was discharged and this paper burned with the other one at his father's house.
1778: He then went over into S.C. and volunteered under Capt.Wilson. Gen Williamson was the Commander. This tour lasted the whole summer or 6 months. The command marched to St. Mary's to attack St. Augustin. They lay for sometime and returned and were dismissed. His next tour was in the Militia of Georgia as a volunteer under Gen. Clark He marched from S.C. to Carr's Fort in Wilkes County, Ga. The troups had to run off in the night and come back in the night. The tour lasted a few days. His next tour was under Gen. Clark also. He marched from Wilkes County to Auyes? County. Tour lasted one week, when a Colonel Cruger of the British Army came with a regiment? and drove off the Americans. On his next tour he engaged in no civil occupations or pursuits until after the surrender of Lord Cornwallis. He served as a Private the whole time and in no other rank.
(This information is from a sworn affidavit on Aug. 27, 1833, in Natchitoches Parish, La. when he was applying for a veteran's pension. He said he was "93 years old on the 5th of Feb. 1833." He also swore that the time period was"more than two years and that during this time he was not employed in any other civil pursuit," and that he was born "in North Carolina on a creek called New Light Creek and in the year 1740." Also, "I have lived since the War of the Revolution in the states of Georgia, South Carolina, Kentucky, and Louisiana." These affidavits are all signed with "His X" by his name, indicating either that John Cloud did not write, or, perhaps, that at age 93, he no longer was able to write. However, if the tradition which holds that he could still shoot squirrels at age 100 is correct, then he should also be able to write his name.
His sworn statements were attested to by G.B. Blanc, a clergyman, and Henry Levornworth, both residing in Natchitoches Parish at that time. Records then show that on a Certificate of Pension issued Nov. 15, 1833, he received $240.
According to family tradition, John Cloud also fought as an English soldier under General Wolfe at the siege of Quebec, and kept as a souvenir a piece of the rock on which the general died after his victory over the French. They also say that he fought at Bunker Hill and that his commission was signed by General George Washington. After his death the commission passed into the hands of his son Noah, who eventually gave it to the heirs of his sister, Annie Cloud Villars, then living in Robeline, La.
1779: After the war the three brothers went to South Carolina and separated. Mollie Cloud Elkins said, "when they got to the line of Tennessee they separated. William and Noah went to N.C. while John went to S.C." She also said he "entered 400 acres of land on Brier Creek, what is known as Cherokee Pond, S.C." He married Elizabeth (Betsy) Lacy, a Cherokee Indian, by the Cumberland River in Kentucky. Their first son, William, was born in S.C. (William married twice; first, to Rebecca Roe, and then to Betsey Johnson. U.S. Land records show that he was granted a land patent in Sec. 1, T13N, R4W, East of Dugdemona Bayou in 1839. He had a daughter named Melissa Cloud who was the great, great, grandmother of Elgie Rogers, husband of Barbara Evans. William died during the Civil War from typhoid fever.)
1794: A John Cloud is listed as a first settler in Monroe, La. with "4460 A. League and Labor," also with 2200 A. west of Monroe (Flat Creek) 20 miles south of Monroe.
1800: Noah, their second son, Jeremiah, their third, and Ann, were born in Kentucky.
1808: William, Noah, Jeremiah, and Ann Cloud were living in Livingston County, KY. According to an affidavit in Natchitoches Parish in 1854, "John lived in Livingston County, Kentucky with his wife Betsy and children, William, Noah, Jeremiah, and Ann." According to Delilah Cloud they "lived on the Cumberland Mts., came by river to Vixburg, did not like there, came on to Natches, from there to Alexandria, La., did not like there, on to Texas, did not like there, on to Ark did not like, down to Monroe, La., lived there a no of years." She also wrote, "there were 4 boys and 4 girls of the Clouds, vast heards of cattle all over the woods, made a cheese each day the Negro Cris would hitch a wagon and go to Alexandria to sell cheese, hides, etc."
1824: Daughter, Annie, was born Feb. 7. Apparently her mother, Betsy died at this time. An affidavit in Natchitoches Parish in 1854 states that they knew "John about 30 years ago living in Parish of Ouachita, La., that wife was dead at that time. Their other children, after Noah, were:
Lee, who died of pneumonia, unmarried.
Jeremiah, (Jerry) who is said to have fought with his father at the Battle of New Orleans in 1815, then moved to Calcasieu Parish, La.
Minerva; married a Cummings.
Annie; married Valentine McDaniel, a U.S. soldier stationed at Ft. Natchitoches; then later married John Anders; later married Marshall Villars. They lived in Robeline, La.; died 3 Aug. 1899.
The family m Moved to Gansville, La. in Winn Parish to what is known as the Clifton Place across Saline Bayou. They "had many sheep and cattle."
1830: La. Census lists: "Cloud, John; Natchitoches Parish." The age bracket is "90-100."
1833: John, aged 93, applied for a veteran's pension in Natchitoches Parish (File No. S-30935, V.A. Bureau, Washington, D.C.). The Certificate of Pension was issued 15 Nov. 1833, and sent to Gen. H. Leavenworth, Ft. Jessup, La. The pension was for "$80/annum." He received $240 at that time, "arrears to 4th of Sept. $200, Semi-annual allow. $40."
1835: Davy Crockett from Tennessee and Ben Milam of Ky. heard the call of Sam Houston for troops to defend the Alamo against Mexican General Santa Anna, and set out to meet Houston at the Prothro Mansion near St. Maurice in Winn Parish. The two fighters stopped off to visit with their friend John Cloud, for a week of hunting raccoons, to be used for, among other things, coon skin caps. The last contact between John Cloud and his friend Davy Crockett was a letter mailed by Crockett from St. Augustine, Texas, dated January 9, 1836. A young relative, Daniel Cloud, who was a lawyer practicing in Natchitoches, took a rifle inherited from his father and died with Crockett, Jim Bowie, Milam, William B. Travis, and others who perished at the Alamo on March 6, 1836.
(Some historical sources list him as one of the two sentries posted in the Bell Tower to watch for the approach of Santa Anna's army. Lee Templeton menitoned him in "Alamo Soldier" and Walter Lord in "A Time To Stand." When the battle started, young Daniel Cloud, along with Crocket's other Volunteers defended the low south wall of the Alamo where some of the fiercest fighting took place. Daniel William Cloud is listed among the Alamo archives as a defender of the Alamo. Copies of a letter written back home to his brother,as well as a voucher signed by D. Cloud to repay a farmer for feeding the troops on the way to the Alamo, are on display at the Alamo.)
1840: Census of Louisiana lists: "John and Noah Cloud, Natchitoches Parish." According to family tradition, John Cloud was 6 feet 2 inches tall, weighed 200 pounds, and had one black and one blue eye. He "never wore glasses, could see to shoot a single ball rifle and kill a squirrel out of the tops of those long leaf pines when he was nearly 100 years old." He lived with his son, Noah, near Cloud Crossing on Saline Creek and died four days before his 100th birthday. He is buried south of Gansville, La. on the Cloud homesite (Sec. 10, T13N, R4), owned in 1970 by John M. Maxwell. Maxwell purchased the land from Cornelius Rushing, a great-grandson of the original owner, who boutht the site from the mcGinty family. John Cloud was the only Revolutionary War Veteran known to be buried in Winn Parish. The D.A.R. erected a monument at his grave. The tombstone is inscribed: John Cloud, N.Carolina Pvt., Ga. Troup; Feb 5, 1740, Feb 1, 1840. There are seven grave markers in this small cemetery, including another monument to Dr. T.A. Wilkinson (1886) and Elisha O. McGinty (1884).
1854: His four children: William lived in Bienville Parish; Noah, Jeremiah, and Ann lived in Natchitoches Parish.
"It is positively asserted in the family that John Cloud's commission as a soldier of the Revolution was signed by George Washington, himself. This commission, after the death of John Cloud, the soldier of the Revolution, passed into the hands of his son Noah Cloud, who eventually gave it to heirs of his sister Annie Cloud Villars, daughter of the deceased soldier, then living in Robeline, Louisiana....According to a tradition piously preserved in the Cloud family in Louisiana, John Cloud, the Revolutionary soldier, was six feet, two inched tall, weighted two hundred pounds and had one of his eyes blue and the other eye black. The family also asserts the fact that he had fought as an English soldier under General Wolfe, at the siege of Quebec and kept as a souvenir a piece of the rock on which General Wolfe died, after his victory over the French. It is also asserted that he fought at Bunker Hill and that after the Revolution he came to South Carolina and entered 400 acres on Brier Creek, at what is now known as Cherokee Pond, SC. It is said that his son Noah Cloud was born there. The family traditions assert that John Cloud, the Revolutionary soldier married Elizabeth "Betsy" Lacy, the Cherokee Indian girl, near the Cumberland River in Kentucky, and later moved with her and family to Vicksburg, Miss. And Natchez, Miss., then to Alexandria, Louisiana, then to Texas, then to Arkansas, then to West Monroe, Louisiana where he lived for a number of years - then to Gaineville, Louisiana where he had many sheep and cattle - then to what is known as Clifton Place, across Saline Bayou, near the Cloud Crossing, in Winn Parish, Louisiana, and eventually to Natchitoches Parish where he died in 1840." (Source: John Cloud, Calvin, La (Winn Parish Historical Coll) 10/76 by John Price)
In documents filed in Natchitoches Parish on March 20, 1854, Clerk of Court, William P. Morrow attested "that satisfactory evidence has been exhibited to me...that John Cloud was a Pensioner of the Unites States at the rate of Eight dollars per month; was a resident of the Parish of Natchitoches...and died in the year 1840 between the 25th of January and the 1st of February; that he left no widow, but children, whose names are William Cloud, Noah Cloud, Jeremiah Cloud and Ann Cloud.
Samuel Williams, a resident of Bienville Parish, aged fifty six years, appeared before Frederick Williams, Justice of the Peace in Natchitoches, and attested "that he first became acquainted with John Cloud, deceased, the father of William Cloud, Noah Cloud, Jeremiah Cloud and Ann Cloud in Livingston County, in the State of Kentucky, in the year 1808, became personally acquainted with him, his wife Betsy Cloud, all of their children above named, and was intimately acquainted with the deceased John Cloud and his wife Betsy Cloud from that time up to the time of their deaths. He always understood and considered them man and wife...that they always recognized and called the persons named before...children of theirs, and the children called them Father and Mother. He further states that during the life time of the parents...he was in the habit of spending a good deal of his time at their house. Witness further swears that he is neither directly or indirectly interested in whatever may be received from Government by the applicants."
At this same hearing, Zepheniah Liles, a resident of the Parish of Winn, State of Louisiana, aged fifty six years attested that he "first became acquainted with John Cloud, deceased, Father of William, Noah, Jeremiah, and Ann about 30 years ago, in the Parish of Ouchita, Louisiana; that the wife of John Cloud was dead at the time; that he also became acquainted with the children, William, Noah, Jeremiah, and Ann Cloud at the time; was intimately acquainted with the Father John Cloud up to the time of hid death in January 1840; that John Cloud in speaking of William, Noah, Jeremiah, and Ann Cloud, spoke of them as his children, and they spoke of him as their Father..."
Elizabeth (Betsy) LACY has reference number F004. She was a Cherokee Indian from Kentucky. She married John Cloud and had eight children.
Bruce Evans Sources:
Brewton, James Perry; Compilation from Abridged Compendium of American Genealogy, Vol I, p 556.
Bozeman, Harley B.; Article in Winn Parish Enterprise; January 14, 1965.
Cloud, Philip William; The Descendants of John Cloud; 1058 E. Morningside St. Springfield, MO; January 12, 1976.
Cloud, Walter Lee; Family correspondence (in author's possession).
Cloud, Manie; Family correspondence (in author's possession).
Elkin, Mollie Cloud; Family correspondence (in author's possession).
Evans, Constance Coker; Correspondence and research records (in author's possession).
Evans, Delilah Cloud; Family records (in author's possession).
Evans, J. Bruce; History of the Cloud Family; 1976.
Kernion, George C.H.; (Ex-Chancellor-General Natl. Society S.A.P. and Louisiana Genealogist) Genealogy of the Cloud Family in America.
Price, John; Winn Parish Historical Collection; John Cloud; Colvin, LA; October, 1976.
Zander, Barry W.; Article in Winn Parish Enterprise; March 19, 1970.
*Author invites feedback, additional information, or corrections:
J. Bruce Evans; 1674 Glenmore, Baton Rouge, LA 70808
Web Page: www.intersurf.com/~bevans
1. This property in Section 10; Township 13 North, Range 4 West, originally owned by John Cloud, was purchased by John Maxwell in 1965, from Cornelius Rushing, a great-grandson of John Cloud, who bought the site from the McGinty family.
2. From correspondence with Mollie Cloud Elkin, his great granddaughter.
3. Jeremiah may have been born in 1782 in Georgia and married Elizabeth? about 1817. This family is listed in the 1850 Census of Austin County, Texas, being 68 and 60 years old, with property valued at $2,000; the 1860 Census of Travis Precinct lists them with real estate valued at $20,000 and personal property valued at $11,410.
More About John Cloud:
Date born 2: Bet. 1739 - 1740, Edinburgh Scotland.
Date born 3: Feb 05, 1739/40, Cumberland County, KY.
Burial: 1840, Cloud's Crossing, Nachitoches Parish, LA.
More About John Cloud and Elizabeth Lacey:
Marriage 1: Abt. 1779, By the Cumberland River, in Kentucky.
Marriage 2: Bet. 1779 - 1780, Kentucky or North Carolina.
Children of John Cloud and Elizabeth Lacey are:
- Virginia Ann Cloud, b. 1794, Kentucky, d. Aug 03, 1860.
- +Noah Cloud, b. Apr 01, 1798, Kentucky, d. Abt. 1864, Cloud's Crossing, Nachitoches Par, LA.
- +William Cloud, b. Abt. 1804, d. 1862, Bienville Parish, LA.
- Frank Cloud, b. Abt. 1826, d. date unknown.
- Lee Cloud, b. Abt. 1828, d. date unknown.
- Jeremiah Cloud, b. Abt. 1830, d. date unknown.