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The following are a series of e-mails and other data found after learning Hopestell's surname may have been Hardister. In searching the records, I have also found this name spelled Hardester. (Note by Clovis La Fleur, 6/20/2001
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: Hopie Taylor
Noted your query on Hopie Taylor. If your gg-grandmother was the Hopie who md William David Jones(my line) 28 Feb, 1874, age 16 then she was the d/o A. B. Taylor & Hopestell Hardister. they moved to Williamson Co. Tx abt. 1876 with his parents. They were in the 1880 census, Boone Co. In 1900 William was md to Addie ? William & Hopie had two children, Felixbn. Feb, 1875, Boone Co. & S. A. Louisa, bn 1878 Williamson Co. Tx. She half bros.& sisters as Hopestell was first md. to Benjamin Yourg Carnahan and one sister, Mary Ann Taylor, bn 1849/50.
If this is your Hopestell(her name also, by census)called Hopie. I had thouhgt she may have died bef. 1887. Wilma Jones Cowan
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: Taylor
I've been going through my records on Hopie Taylor. In 1850 census her mother, Hopestell was 37, md to A. E. Taylor, age 60. with a dau. Mary Ann, age 1. In 1870 Prairie twp., Boone County, Hopestell is a widow with following, Mary Ann 20; John W. 18; William F. 16; and Hopestell 14. In the 1880 Williamson County, Tx censusWilliam David Jones age 24 & Hopie age 23. I had assumed she added a year or so to her age when they married.
Also in 1870, Hopie's mother gave her age as 54 which by 1850 's census she should have been 57.
Does any of these Taylor siblings mean anything to you? I would love to hear from you, maybe we can find out if these Hopie's are the same person.
Wilma Jones Cowan
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: Jones-Taylor
I'll try and fill in some of the blanks. William Davis was my ggg-grandfather's grandson. His father was John O. Jones & Margaret C. Jones Jones. John O. bn Va., Margaret bn. Al. 1837, died aft. 1904, bef. 1910 in Johnston Co. Ok. Grave is unmarked. William was bn. 14 Feb., 1856 Carroll Co., Ar; Died 28 Nov., 1932, Henrietta, Clay Co. Tx. The last I have for Hopie was 1880 Williamson Co., Tx census and over that 20 year span I didn't know what happened to her as he was md. to Addie ? in 1900 lvg. in Montague Co. Tx. and they had 4 children with 3 lvg.. Infant, Ollie, 1894; William Earl,1896; Myrtle, 1898. 1910 they had Ruby Jewell, 1903.
I had thought that maybe Hopie had died in childbirth.
I didn't know they moved back to Ar.
My ggg-grandparents was John Jones, bn 1788, Tn & Mary Gaines, 1895, Ga.(parents of Margaret C. Jones)
The name of Hardister came from the the Hardister family and Hopestell & Benjamin Carnahan owned land in Washington Co., Ar. in 1841 and 1847(Ar, tax records) owned land in Marion Co. Ar., which in 1875 was taken into Boone Co.
William David Jones' sister. Martha Jane md. David W, Carnahan, half brother of Hopie. They also were in Williamson Co.. in 1880.In 1900 they were lvg. in Gainesville, Tx. I've been unable to find them after that time
Hopie's half siblings were (per 1850 census) Samuel 17, Green 15, Sarah 13, George 11, Elizabeth 9, Martha A. 7, David W. 5.
Did Hopie's death certificate have her dob? If you have it, I would appreciate getting that info.
Did I miss anything?
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: Hopie
This web gets more confusing! I have Wm. David's obit. In it no survivors of his and Hopie's children were listed. William Herbert should have been a survivor as W.D. died 1932. There must have been no communincation between the two families. I can't recall which census I found Felix L/R Jones, ( it was 1910, I think) oldest child of W.D. & Hopie's was in the Huntsville prison. Soon after that I talked with a descendant of W.D.'s father's brother who lives in San Antonio and asked about this info, which she told me she knew about. I haven't shown any of this nor do I intend to do so. I know that W.D. moved back into Ok. as his & Addie's oldest child was born there. I ordered the soundex which was so dim it could hardly be read and they were living in Sterling Co. Tx in 1910 with 5 children with only 4 living in 1932 when he died.
Do you know if it is possible to get records from the prison?
Can you answer the following?
Was Hopie buried in Oakdale, La?
On Wm. Herbert's death certificate did it show that William David was his father?
There seems to be many questions regarding W. D. & Hopie.
You ask about the Hardister name, the lady who gave me this info 4 or 5 years ago,died two years ago of cancer. She was researching Young, Hardister and others. She and I were researching at the LDS history center at the time and she wanted to know about William David. She died in Muskogee, Ok. and I don't know what may have happeded to her information.
Think we can ever get this untangled?
From Gibson County, Tenn. Marriage Records
Henry Hardester & Jane Stone, 11/25/1833
Ann Hardister & William Goodman, 7/27/1831(Note: According to Goodman Family notes. Ann Hardister's father was Samuel Hardister.)
Jans Hardister & Edward Haley, 9/17/1833
James B. Carnahan & Martha Bell, 4/1/1831
From the Gibson County, Tenn 1834 Taxlist
Washington County, Ark. 1840 Census, page 270
White/Males Under 5=2 [Green, George ]
w/m age 5-10=1 [Samuel]
w/m age 30-40=1[Benjamin]
w/females under age 5=1[Sarah]
w/f age 20-30=1[Hopestell]
Macajah Hardester (Micaijan Hardester in Marion County Land Records, 1860)
w/males under 5=3
w/m age 20-30=1
w/f age 5-10=3
w/f age 20-30=1
w/f age 5-10=
Descendants of Hopestell Hardister
The following was data obtained from Carol Carnahan
From: Carol Carnahan
To: Clovis La Fleur
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: Hopestell Hardister
Hi, Clovis:Please forgive my tardy reply to your e-mail of the 11th.Thanks for writing.I don't think there's any doubt you've got the right family.I'll attach a text file for Benjamin and Hopestell Carnahan for you to look at -- this is all the info I have on Hopestell, and it came from two very good sources, who cited specific documents:Charolette Sage <firstname.lastname@example.org> and Emma Cronin <ENC6@aol.com>.You may already have had correspondence with these ladies.Emma is the list-owner for the CARNAHAN-L mailing list at Rootsweb, and Charolette is a subscriber on the list.
Generation No. 1
1.HOPESTELLHARDISTERwas born Abt. 1813 in Tennessee.She married (1) REV. BENJAMIN YOUNG CARNAHAN, son of JOHN CARNAHAN and JANET BILLINGSLEY.He was born Abt. 1809, and died Bef. 1850.She married (2) A.B. TAYLOR.He was born Abt. 1790 in New York.
Notes for HOPESTELL HARDISTER:
Info from Emma Cronin on Carnahan-L mailing list, 7/2000: "While searching for the (Jacob) Baughman folks I found the following:"
1850 CENSUS, Marion Co, AR:
Taylor, A.B., age 60, farmer, 600, POB NY
Hopestea?, age 37, POB Tn
Carnahan, Samuel, 17, farmer, POB Ark
Green, 15, farmer, POB Ark
Sarah J, 13, POB Ark
George, 11, POB Ark
Elisabeth, 9, POB Ark
Martha A, 7, POB Ark
David, 5, POB Ark
Taylor, Mary A, age 1, POB Ark
Emma said, "Could the Hopestea listed as a wife of A.B. Taylor be a widow for Benjamin Young Carnahan and could those Carnahan folks be his children?"
Notes for REV. BENJAMIN YOUNG CARNAHAN:
A. E. Carnahan note on P. 46 of The Pyeatts and Carnahans of Old Cane Hill: (this must be a different Ben.See more recent info below.) "When Ben Carnahan enlisted for the Civil War, he took with him a black boy to wait on him.When his master was killed at Corinth, Miss., the boy left the army and went to Kansas where he received a good education, became a lawyer, and in 1896 returned to Arkansas and made speeches for 'Bryan and Free Silver!'"
PROPERTY: Ben owned land in Marion Co, Arkansas (from AR Tax Records including 1847) after he and Hopestell sold their Washington County land in 1841 and moved to Marion County.
Charolette Sage note7/2000:Benjamin Young Carnahan was born approximately 1809 and died prior to 1850.He owned land in Marion County Arkansas (from AR Tax Records including 1847) after he and Hopestell Hardister Carnahan sold their Washington Co. land in 1841 and moved to Marion County.Their oldest son, Samuel, is my gg-gfather who settled in the Boone County area after the Civil War.Three of Benjamin and Hopestell's sons served in the Civil War: Samuel, Greene and George W.
More About REV. BENJAMIN YOUNG CARNAHAN:
Occupation: Methodist Minister
Property: Bef. 1841, Washington Co, Arkansas
Children of HOPESTELL HARDISTER and BENJAMIN CARNAHAN are:
i. SAMUEL2 CARNAHAN4, b. Abt. 1833.
More About SAMUEL CARNAHAN:
Military: Bef. 1865, Civil War
Property: Aft. 1865, Boone County, Arkansas
ii. GREENE CARNAHAN, b. Abt. 1835.
More About GREENE CARNAHAN:
Military: Civil War
iii. GEORGE W. CARNAHAN, b. Abt. 1839.
More About GEORGE W. CARNAHAN:
Military: Bet. 1860 - 1865, Civil War
iv. ELISABETH CARNAHAN, b. Abt. 1841.
v. MARTHA A. CARNAHAN, b. Abt. 1843.
vi. DAVID CARNAHAN, b. Abt. 1845.
Child of HOPESTELL HARDISTER and A.B. TAYLOR is:
vii. MARY A.2 TAYLOR, b. 1849.
1.Records of Emma Cronin, "Electronic."
2.Records of Charolette Sage, All Data on Benjamin Young Carnahan family.
3.Records of Charolette Sage.
4.Records of Charolette Sage, Samuel Carnahan, son of Benjamin, settled in the Boone Co, AR area after the Civil War.