Notes for Alexander Campbell: Captain Alexander Campbell reg 84THR b. 10/14 NOV 1734 Killin Perthshire Scotland d. 24 Oct 1800 bur Johnstown UC res Schenectady NY & Schoharie NY & Glengarry Co UC (UC=Upper Canada) m 23 May 1768 Schenectady NY, Magdelena Van Sice b. 29 Oct 1749 Schenectady NY d c27 Jun 1829 bur Montreal QC d/o John Van Sice & Mary La Force ===== Alexander Campbell (1734-1800) who was a Tory from Schnectady, New York. He later relocated to Montreal, Charlottenburg (Ontario) and finally at New Johnston, Ontario (he died in Montreal). genealogy.com (family tree maker) says born before 10 NOV 1734 in Margowan, Killin Parish , S c otland\ = = = = = = = = = = Schenectady County was formed from Albany County on March 7, 1809. It has a population of 147,000 (1/1/97 es t . , eighteenth in New York State) and an area of 206 square miles, making it the second sma ll es t in the state outside of New York City. The name "Schenectady" is derived from a Mohaw k I ndi an word for "on that side of the pinery," or "near the pines," or "place beyond the p in e plai ns." = = = = = = = = = = = = = Hi Ray, Nice to hear back from you. Im researching a whole bunch of folk, mainly those families who were attached to the furtrade. I found some info on Alexander and Magdelena and it stated that her father was John Van Sice and Margarati Laforce. However, it seems there is another set of parents for Magdelena, Alexander VanSice and unknown spouse. So I am trying to find someone with a good source for her parents. Meanwhile this what Im using for now about that familys origins. BOOK => "Lords of the North" - James K McDonell & Robert B Campbell, ISBN 1-89182071-2 pgs 61-62 "Alexander Campbell MLA (1734-1800) was a member of the Legislative Assembly (MLA) in Upper Canada, a business man and an army officer. Prior to leaving his home at Killin Scotland A lexa nder was commissioned as an officer in the 42nd Regiment of Foot (the Black Watch). He a nd hi s brothers, Moses (b.1733) a sergeant, and James (b.1741) who were both with him in th e Blac k Watch regiment when it landed at New York City in June 1756 were immediately dispatc hed t o Albany New York to be trained in the art of bush fighting. Their first action in Nor th Ame rica was in the summer of 1758, a tragic assault on the French fort at Ticonderoga. The Highlander failed to overcome the defenders and suffered 314 fatalities during the eig h t hour battle. Listed among the wounded was Lieutenant Alexander Campbell. After resigni n g his commission Alexander took up residence in Schenectady, NY. During the years prior t o t he American Revolution Alexander married twice and purchased large land holdings in the M ohaw k Valley and owned and operated a store and tavern in Schenectady. Later he establishe d ano ther store in Schoharie, NY and in 1775 moved his family to Schoharie. However becaus e he di d not support the American rebels his store in Schoharie was looted and vandalized and so Ale xander moved back to Schenectady. After Alexander moved back to Schenectady, his father-in-law Alexander Van Sice, a revolutio n ary, had Alexander and other Loyalists thrown in jail again for warning Sir John Johnsto n o f his impending arrest thus giving Sir John enough lead time to round up his family and t enan ts and escape north to Canada. In 1778 Alexander after refusing to take an oath of alle gianc e to the rebels was expelled from the USA. Alexander was allowed to leave for Canada with only those possessions that could be carrie d i n two wagons. After arriving in Montreal he moved his family to near New Johnstown (no w call ed Cornwall) Ontario. From 1702 to 1797 Alexander was an MLA in Toronto, representin g Dunda s county west of Cornwall. Alexander was born in 1734 at Killin, Perthshire, Scotland the son of James Campbell and wi f e Elizabeth Buchanan. His first marriage was to Catherine Vetter in October 1765 at Chris t L utheran Church in New York City. Catherine died in 1767 and there is no record of any ch ildr en from the marriage with her. Alexanders second wife was Magdalena Van Sice whom he ma rrie d in May 1768 at the Dutch Reformed Church in Schenectady, NY. Alexander and Magdalen a had 1 4 children: Catherine (1769-1772), Margaret (1771-1772), James (1774-1776), Margaret , James E ., John D., Alexander, Mary, Peter, Nancy, Elizabeth, Colin, Richard Duncan, and Ca therine . Alexander died on October 24, 1800 at New Johnstown (Cornwall) Ontario. John Dunc an Campb ell (1773-1835) one of Alexanders 14 children later became a partner in the North We st Compa ny. When the North West Company joined with the Hudson Bay Company in 1821 he retir ed to Mon treal and shortly after he married Eliza McDonald daughter of John Mcdonald of Gart h anothe r legendary partner of the North West Company. In 1824 Elizas father John sold th e McDonal d estate to John Duncan Campbell and Eliza. This home was named Inverarden and i t remaine d in Campbell hands until 1965 when ownership was transferred to The Historic Site s and Monu ments Board who operated Inverarden House as a museum. John Duncan Campbells great Grandson, James Alastair Grant Campbell BA LLB QC (b.1922 ) i s a veteran of WWII, a former Crown Attorney for Carleton county Ontario and was Progress iv e Conservative Member of Parliament (MP) for Stormont county from 1958 to 1862 and was al s o a Member of the Municipal Board of Ontario. Im working from the theory that many of the families in the Red River Settlement were relat e d back in Glengarry, Ont and prior to that in the Mohawk Valley where they settled after im mi grating from Scotland. I have Alexander Campbell and his descendants on my website, but I believe I have the wrong parents for Magdelena. Perhaps you have more to add. http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/w/i/l/Serena-L-Willis/B OOK-0001/0 031-0001.html For now, Serena serena@@yt.sympatico.ca -- kinanaskomitin nim Serena in Whitehorse, Yukon ==================== Bond of the Aldermen of Schenectady, 1766 http://www.scpl.org/history/schenectady/bond.html The following is printed from the autograph copy, found among the Vrooman papers, of a bo n d g iven by the Aldermen and assistants of Schenectady, in 1766 to carry out certain measur e s i n case of their being sworn into office. The orthography and capitalizing of the origin a l i s preserved throughout: Know all men by these Presents, That wee John Sanders Caleb Beck Abraham Fonda Joseph R. Ya t t es, John Glen Junr. & Ryer Schermerhorn Esqrs. Ellected aldermen for the Borrough town o f S ch enectady, and Henry Glen, Nicolas Van Petten, John Visger Junr. Abm. Wemple, Nichola s DeGr aaf , & Andries Truax Gentlemen Ellected Assistants for said Borrough, are Jointly & S everall y he ld & firmly bound unto Isaac Vrooman & John Duncan Esqrs. of said Borrough in th e sum o f Fiv e hundred Pounds Current Money of the Province of New York to be paid to the sa id Isaa c Vroom an & John Duncan for which Payment well & truly to bee made wee hereby bind ourselves severaly & Joinly firmly by these Presents Sea l e d with our Seals dated this 5th. Day of Decr. 1766, in the Seventh Year of His Majestys R ei gn . The Condition of this Obligation is Such That if the above Bounden Aldermen & assistant s a s a bove, Shall do well & truly Qualify in their respective Offices as aldermen & assista nt s fo r the Borrough of Schenectady within Eight days after the Governor Grants a New or ad dit iona l Charter for the said Borrough with the Alterations or Amendments to the Present Ch arte r o f the following Articles Vizt. That the Boundarys of the Corporation shall be extend ed ac cord ing to letters Pattent dated Novr. 6th. 1764, And that the Aldermen shall not be f or lif e, bu t that they shall be Ellected Yearly or Every three years, as the Governor shal l be ple ased t o Grant, And that none of the inhabitants of said Borrough shall be Oblig'd t o take ou t a Lic ense for there Wagons but to use them at there will and Pleasure And that t he Childre n of th e Freeholders and free men give a Certain Sum Not Exceeding Six Shilling s for there f reedom e then this Obligation to be Void and of no Effect otherwise to remain i n full force. Sealed and Delivered in the presence of us Matthew Lynd Alexander Campbell John Sanders Caleb Beck Abraham Fonda Joseph R. Yates Jno Glen Jr. Signed Sealed & delivered by Jno Glen Junr. for Ryer Schermerhorn, in Presence of us Alexander Campbell Edward Burrowes John Glen Jr for Ryer Schermerhorn Signed Seald & Delivered in the Presence of us By Andr. Truax John Visger Alexander Campbell Henry Glen Nicolaes Van petten John Visger Jr. Abm Wempel Aendres Truax nicolas degraf Source: Joel Munsell, Annals of Albany, I (1850) p. 368. Schenectady City History Schenectady History and Genealogy SCPL Home Page Overview This page updated 3/9/99 ===================== Found: Alexander CAMPBELL c.14/11/1734, Killin - James/Elizabeth BUCHANAN (Batch No.C113612) James CAMPBELL m. Elizabeth BUCHANAN 1732, Killin (Ref:Film 8816231) Possible births for James: c.18/8/1711 - John/Cathrine McClaren, Killin c.14/8/1714 - Patrick/Jeane McDermite, Killin Hope this helps, Kind regards, Sue (Tropical North Queensland, Australia) ============ Date: Mon, 06 Sep 99 20:48PM PDT From: julia sauter To: PERTHSHIRE-L@@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Alexander Campbell 1734 =>Searching = = = = = So you have seen the IGI record???? IGI Record Magdalena VAN SICE Marriage(s): Spouse: Alexander CAMPBELL Marriage: 23 May 1768 Schenectady, Schenectady, New York Source Information: Film Number: 457789 & 458989 & Batch #8816231 Sheet 13 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx IGI Record Magdalena VAN SICE Born: 29 Oct 1749 Schenectady, Schenectady, New York Father: Johannes VAN SICE Mother: Margarita FORT or La FORCE Source Information: Film Number: 442667 Page Number: Reference Number: 69030 Batch number: 8816230 sheet 58 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Some other member of the family naming the child similar IGI Record Magdalena VAN SICE Event(s): Born: 15 Nov 1796 Schenectady, Schenectady, New York Father: Symon VAN SICE Mother: Annatje or Hannah BARBEIT or BARHEIT ource Information:ilm Number: 459070 & 45830 Page 0176 Ref #37430 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx You said you had the births and christenings of their children? You searched for: Alexander Campbell Madelina Van Sice Results: International Genealogical Index/North America (24 matches) 1. Catharine CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Birth:ABT 1778 Schenectady, Schenectady, 2. Catrina CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Birth: 27 Jul 1769 Schenectady, Schenectady, 3. Margarita CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Birth: 27 May 1776 Schenectady, Schenectady, 4. Catherine CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Birth: 26 Jul 1769 Schenectady, Schenectady, 5. Margaret CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Birth: 29 Mar 1771 Schenectady, Schenectady, 6. John Duncan CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Birth: 21 Feb 1773 Schoharie, Schoharie, 7. James CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Birth: 6 Aug 1774 Schoharie, Schoharie, 8. Margaret CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Birth: 22 May 1776 Schenectady, Schenectady, 9. James Ellice CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Birth: 24 Mar 1778 Schenectady, Schenectady, 10. Catherine CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Birth: 13 Nov 1792 Johnstown, Grenville, Ontario 11. Alexander CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Birth: 10 Dec 1779 Montreal, Ile De Montreal, Quebec 12. Mary CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Birth: 4 Nov 1781 Montreal, Ile De Montreal, Quebec 13. Peter CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Birth: 18 Nov 1782 Montreal, Ile De Montreal, Quebec 14. Nancy CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Birth: 30 Jun 1784 Montreal, Ile De Montreal, Quebec 15. Elizabeth CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Birth: 20 Aug 1786 Montreal, Ile De Montreal, Quebec 16. Colin CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Birth: 25 Nov 1787 Montreal, Ile De Montreal, Quebec 17. Richard Duncan CAMPBELL - International Gender: M Birth: 13 Jul 1790 Montreal, Ile De Montreal, Quebec 18. Catrina CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Birth: 27 Jul 1769 Schenectady, Schenectady, 19. Margarita CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Birth: 31 Mar 1771 Schenectady, Schenectady, 20. Margarita CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Birth: 27 May 1776 Schenectady, Schenectady, 21. Catharine CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Birth:ABT 1778 Schenectady, Schenectady, 22. Catrina CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Birth: 27 Jul 1769 Schenectady, Schenectady, 23. Margarita CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Birth: 31 Mar 1771 Schenectady, Schenectady, 24. Margarita CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Birth: 27 May 1776 Schenectady, Schenectady, Some are mentioned several times because there is something different in each registration. As in spelling of a name, or one is About the date. Good Luck! 42nd Foote Black Watch ============================================== This is from Alexander DIETZ 1998, Saskatoon, SK 1750/00/00 Alexander Campbell - Scotland ============================================== 1787/11/25 Campbell Colin M (9600610001) 1801/00/00 McGillivray Elizabeth ============================================== 1818/00/00 Campbell Catherine F (960061A001) 1820/00/00 Campbell Helene F (960061B001) 1822/00/00 Campbell Mary F (960061C001) 1822/06/23 Campbell Magdelena F (960061E001) 1823/00/00 Campbell Anne F (960061G001) 1824/00/00 Campbell Elizabeth (Eliza) F 960061D001) 1828/00/00 Campbell Jessie Ellen F (960061F001) 1831/00/00 Campbell Alexander M (9600611001) 1832/00/00 Campbell John V. M (9600612001) 1833/00/00 Campbell Margaret F ((960061H001) 1835/00/00 Campbell Flora F (960061J001) 1837/00/00 Campbell Colin M (9600613001) 1840/00/00 Campbell James M (9600614001) 1842/00/00 Campbell Richard Duncan M (9600615001) 1850/00/00 Campbell Archibald M (9600616001) ============================================== 1848/00/00 Campbell Archibald Married Mary (Dreaver Farmer, St. Catherine's 1883/07/29 Campbell Christina