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Updated February 6, 2002

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A genealogy study is just that "a study" we are forever trying to find our ancestors through this endeaver. This is not an exact science, but merely a "study."

So if you can prove or disprove any of my theories, I would and the family would appreciate it very much if you would share your information with us.

Our family ended up settling Missouri and most of the records were destroyed for reasons unknown. Civil War and factions thereafter caused a lot of the destruction. In any case, the records are gone and we need to help one another. That is what family is for.

My theory is our families traveled together from Pennsylvania, to Virginia, to the Carolinas, to Tennessee and onward to Kentucky when it was still Indian Hunting Grounds. When they finally settled all that, and civilization came upon them, they moved westward again. They settled in Missouri for a time and Indian wars caused some to move to Illinois and Indiana, finally returning to the Osage River Valley in 1835 and they have remained there since.

Their surnames? Bon, Bond, Boone, Boren, Carson,Carroll, Clark, Conger, Covington, Stacy, Human, Long, Shelton, Robinson, Short, Stewart, Hardy, Rains, Strutton, Whittle, Vann, Van, Vaughn, Wall and Walls, just to name a few.

Daniel Boone brought the Hardy and Stewart families among others over the Cumberland Gap. The Lincoln family was in the group and they remained friends with the Hardy family of Kentucky for many years. Some of the Hardy and Lincoln families remained in Kentucky while other family members went west. I went to visit the old farm in Kentucky and found out there was correspondence found in the old barn walls showing letters written to them from Abraham Lincoln. The current owner was tearing down the old structure when he found them. Abe lived just down the road from there as a boy and remained friends with our ancestors throughout his Presidential years.

They fought Shawnee and Creek Indians, they fought British soldiers, finally, after some of their sons were killed, their daughters were kidnapped, some of the wives took the kids and went back to the Carolinas, and feeling that they had been used up by the government of the time. You see, the government revoked their land grants of the time which were quite large and in turn gave them something like 800 acres. So, pennyless they moved away to the west and just wanted to live peacefully with and among the Indians. The Indians were more honest. Many of them married into the Indian culture.

This is our family, some called them the "Hunter Heroes."
Many books were written about a few of them. Although the names Boone, Carson and Clark did make it into the novels, these other families deserve to be remembered in history right along side of them. But, they were a quiet, modest group. Didn't approve of braggarts! So they just lived quietly, raising their families and thanking God for the clear blue sky, because they knew just how precious it was!

Later others followed them west. Following in the footprints soaked with their blood and their childrens blood.

We are still a quiet modest people, but I just got tired of all of us being left out of the history books. The man who bought our old Hardy Plantation in Kentucky wouldn't even let me see the letters. What a ripoff!

This is dedicated to my children, grandchildren and all the generations to come so they will know what a great family they came from.

We are still great hunters to this day, but that is out of fashion now. So I spend my time "Hunting History" and I have found history has been altered and or changed to suit the Government of the time, or the politics of the time, overall, I have found that truth wins in the end, all the garbage that was written just dissappears with the winds of time.

"Genealogy is the only real way to study history."

Carol J. (Wall) McDougal

 
Family Photos
  • An artists depiction of THOMPSON WALL in 1820 (1 KB)
    Thompson Wall at the Osage River Valley in Missouri, circa. 1820. In 1799, JOSEPH VANN was with DRAGGING CANOE and his CHICKAMAUGA WARRORS at Knoxville, Tennessee, and were defeated, they had to move thier tribes and families deep into Indian Territory. JOSEPH VANN was one of this tribe. This JOSEPH VANN could be JOSEPH DAVID VANN, one of the sons of JOHN JOSEPH VANN & WAH LI or by one of his other Indian wives. It was perfectly acceptable back then for a wealthy Indian to have more than one wife as long as he could support them without want. WAH LI (POLLY) OTTERLIFTER'S sister, NAN CI (NANNIE) OTTERLIFTER lived with them in Georgia and could have been another one of his wives. I do know that he had another wife at his Tennessee home and another in the Indian Territory in the west. Vann was a business man and owned large homes at the end of each of the trails he would travel conducting his business. JOSEPH DAVID VANN would have been 17 or 18 years old. His father, JOHN JOSEPH VANN, was about 48 years old in 1779, and this was the year that CLEM VANN came to the new "Cherokee Country, Indian Territory" in the west. I believe THOMPSON WALL worked for VANN, either by delivering goods to the west, or by being a long-hunter, probably both. The tribe and family would travel west on the "Trail of Tears" before it became known for that, THOMPSON WALL was most probably thier guide. He brought thier families to the Osage River Valley of Missouri, this was thier new home. When the rest of the family was forced to move by the great Indian removal of 1838, they would drop off on the trail in this area of Missouri as they knew that some of thier family was already there. Some of the Vann Clan refused to move and hid out in the Carolina Mountains, which were close to thier Georgia home.
  • Page 6, A study of the genealogy of Thompson Wall (686 KB)
    A study of the descendants of Thompson Wall. See "continuation on page 6a"
  • Anderson Wall, Dianicia Wall, James Henry Walls (480 KB)
    ANDERSON WALL, DIANICIA JANE WALL AND JAMES HENRY WALLS. 3 of Thompson Walls children, we are looking for more pictures of the rest of his children. Please send them in and we will put them up on this website, Spelling of Dianicia's is unknown, it could be any variation of this, her nickname could have been Nancy. Thank You.
  • BLAZEN AND/OR COAT OF ARMS, *** WALL*** (46 KB)
    ARMS: Per fess or and gules, a fess embattled counter embattled between 3 fleurs-de-lis all countercharged. CREST: Out of mural coronet or, a demi-wolf saliant proper, gorged with a bar embattled and counter-embattled or. MOTTO: Firm [The Arms blazoned were granted in Malvern and Worcestor. They are recorded in Sir Bernard Burke's General Armory, the First Edition being published in 1842 and the last edition in 1884.] This surname derives from the locational, from residence near some WALL, from the Old English Word "weall". In County Essex, the reference is probably in the sea-walls of Rochford Hundred; in Oxford, London & Colchester, to the town wall, in County Northumberland to the Roman Wall. WALL in Staffordshire is in the site of a Roman Station & in some instances, the name may be local "Of Wall". An early example of the surname appears in 1195 in the "Pipe Rolls", County Essex. as ROBERT de la WALLE.
  • Continuation of page 6 a- Thompson Wall Genealogy (717 KB)
    I took this picture, at the bottom of this page, of a painting at the Cherokee Nation Museum in the East. The 7 women represent the seven clans of the tribe, from left to right, the Wolf Clan, the Wild Potato Clan, the Paint Clan, the Blue Clan, the Long Hair Clan, the Bird Clan, and the Deer Clan. In order to trace your Indian ancestry, you must know which clan you came from. I believe we are from the Wild Potato Clan because of the area in Missouri, where our ancestors settled, in the Osage River Valley, Missouri, there was a river called "Pomme De Terre" and this is the French word for "potato." ( Received a correction, thanks to Roy Kirchner, Pomme De Terre means "apple of the earth" whis is potato. Thanks.)I always wondered why they would call a river in Missouri Pomme de Terre, unless this was known where the "Wild Potato Clan" of the Cherokee people who lived in the western Indian Territory.
  • Carol's Genealogy Site, Newsletter Page 1 (1402 KB)
    Newsletter, page 1.
  • Page 5 (290 KB)
    The Seven Clans of the Cherokee People. The reason they had the Seven Clans in the tribe was because a man could have more than one wife. In order to keep their blood lines pure, a man or woman was not allowed to associate with a person of their clan. This way, when marriage came, they wouldn't get the blood lines too close.
  • Continued from newsletter, page 1 (706 KB)
    Newsletter, page 2
  • page 7, Typical Cherokee Homes (966 KB)
    These are just a couple of examples of the homes the Cherokees built. Our ancestors may have lived in some just like these. My Great-Grandfather Jeff Wall built one, which I will show you a picture of when we get to his genealogy. Also, Press Wall, my grandfather built one of these which still stands today on Road 190 that runs between Wheatland and Hermitage, Hickory County, Missouri. I will also show a picture of his home when we get to his genealogy. Anyway, I just wanted to show you how the average Cherokee lived in the old days. No teepees. Chief Vann, however, lived in a 2 story mansion, and I will show you the picture of that when we get to his story.
  • Continued from newsletter, page 2 (697 KB)
    Newsletter, page 3
  • Last and final page for February, 2002 (407 KB)
    And so we end this session with a beautiful sunset. See you again with new information in March, 2002. Keep warm and safe until then, Carol (Wall) McDougal.
  • Continued from newsletter, page 3 (933 KB)
    Newsletter, page 4
  • 1870 Thompson Wall & 6 of his 9 sons. (468 KB)
    Fifty years later, we find THOMPSON WALL in Miller County, Missouri. In this picture taken about 1870 in Richland, Missouri, Thompson Wall is sitting in front far left, he is about 68 years old here. He had been married 6 times. The six men with him in this picture are six of his nine sons. Sitting next to him is 13 or 14 year old WILLIAM WALL, son of MARY JANE MCDOWELL. The boy standing next to him is 10 year old AMPSTERD WALL, son of MARY JANE MCDOWELL. Sitting far right in the front row is 36 year old JOSEPH WALL, son of SALLY SHIVERS. BACK ROW STANDING, LEFT TO RIGHT is LORENZO DOW WALL at 38 years old, son of SALLY SHIVERS. ANDREW WALL at 49 years old, son of POLLY VANN. ANDERSON WALL at 45 years old, son of POLLY VANN. *Note: Three sons not showing are: FRANCIS MARION WALLS, died in 1853 at the age of 18, he was the son of ELIZABETH WALLS. He was born in Georgia and died in Alabama. The other two sons not shown are THOMAS WALLS and JAMES HENRY WALLS, a survivor of twins, this also made him the seventh son. They were adopted by Judge Hiram King in Texas County, Missouri, along with their sister, Jamima Walls, for reasons unknown. It is thought that their mother SALLY VAUGHN died soon after giving birth to the twins and Thompson could't care for the small children, speculation only. The VAUGHN family were also Cherokee, probably cousins to the VANN Clan.
 
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