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Descendants and Ancestors of Charlemagne (in 4th generation)

Generation No. 11


      44. Count de Vermandois Herbert III11 (Albert I10, Herbert II9, Herbert I de Vermandois8, Pepin7, Bernard6, Pepin5, Charlemagne4, Pepin The Short3, Charles Martel, The Hammerer2, Pepin d'Heristal1)155 was born Abt. 955156, and died Abt. 1000156. He married Ermengarde156.

More About Count de Vermandois Herbert III:
Charlemagne: 140:20
     
Children of Herbert III and Ermengarde are:
+ 51 i.   Adelaide12, born in Vermandois, Normandy, France.
+ 52 ii.   Otho, born Abt. 1000; died May 25, 1045.


      45. Ermengarde de Lorraine11 (Charles Duke of Lower Lorraine10, Louis IV, d'Outremer9, Charles III, The Simple8, Louis II, the Stammerer7, Charles II, the Bald6, Louis I, the Fair/Pious5, Charlemagne4, Pepin The Short3, Charles Martel, The Hammerer2, Pepin d'Heristal1)157,158 was born 970, and died 1022159. She married Robert II de Namur160160, son of Albert I Count of Namur and Ermengarde of Lorraine. He died Bet. 1018 - 1031160.

Notes for Ermengarde de Lorraine:
"In the second half of the 10th century, Charlemagne's decendants were divided into two branches; the royal branch and the Vermandois branch. It is certain that Ermengarde did not belong to the Vermamdois lineage; the text itseld excludes that possibility, for it says that Ermengarde came from the kings of France...." (From The Ancestry of Thomas Bradbury and his Wife mary Perkins, p. 441)

More About Ermengarde de Lorraine:
Charlemagne: Descendant, AR 149-20, TB R-49

Notes for Robert II de Namur:
This does not agree with the "Ancestral Roots" book but does not change the blood line to Charlemagne. Robert II is missing from the lineage in Ancestral Roots but included in the book The Ancestry of Thomas Bradbury....See note on Albert I.

From the book "The Ancestry of Thomas Bradbury and his Wife Mary Perkins" page 440:

"Historians of Namur contend that Robert II was the son of Albert I and Ermengarde, and was Albert II's older brother, although the proof is lacking. Unless they were by two wives and many years apart in age, the chronology looks doubtful and it seems more likely that Albert II was the son of Robert II, rather than a younger brother. As for the wives, that presents a confusing problem unless both wives were named Ermengarde. But which one was the Carolingian princess, daughter of Charles of France? The chronology would suggest clearly that Ermengarde, alledged to have been the daughter of Charles of France, must have been the wife of Robert II. If Ermengarde, wife of Albert I, was the princess as stated in the gemealogy of Godfrey of Bouillon, then she had to have been the second wife and a generation younger than her husband. There are clear contradictions in the several accounts outlined so far. It seems more logical to assume normal generation spans and ages."

Marriage Notes for Ermengarde de Lorraine and Robert II de Namur:
See note on Robert II of Namur

More About Robert II de Namur and Ermengarde de Lorraine:
Marriage: 160
     
Children of Ermengarde de Lorraine and Robert II de Namur are:
  53 i.   Lutgarde de Namur12161.
  More About Lutgarde de Namur:
Charlemagne: Descendant
  54 ii.   Goda de Namur161.
  More About Goda de Namur:
Charlemagne: Descendant
  55 iii.   Ermengarde de Namur161.
  More About Ermengarde de Namur:
Charlemagne: Descendant
  56 iv.   Hadewide de Namur161.
  More About Hadewide de Namur:
Charlemagne: Descendant
+ 57 v.   Count Albert II de Namur, born 1000; died Bet. 1063 - 1064.


      50. King of France 987-996 Hugh Capet11 (Hugh Magnus10, Beatrix de Vermandois9, Herbert I de Vermandois8, Pepin7, Bernard6, Pepin5, Charlemagne4, Pepin The Short3, Charles Martel, The Hammerer2, Pepin d'Heristal1)162 was born 941163, and died October 24, 996163. He married Adelaide of Poitou164 968165. She was born Abt. 945165, and died Abt. 1004165.

More About King of France 987-996 Hugh Capet:
Charlemagne: 53:20, 101:20, 141:20

More About Adelaide of Poitou:
Charlemagne: 144A:20

More About Hugh Capet and Adelaide of Poitou:
Marriage: 968165
     
Child of Hugh Capet and Adelaide of Poitou is:
+ 58 i.   King of France 996-1031 Robert II the Pious12, born March 27, 972 in Oreleans; died July 20, 1031 in Melun.

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