Henry Grey of Ketteringham - Son of Sir Thomas Grey and Joan de Mowbray

 

 

Generation No. 1

 

1.  SIR THOMAS1 GREY  (SIR JOHNA) was born 1359 in of Berwick. Chillingham & Heton, and died 26 November 1400.  He married JOAN DE MOWBRAY1, daughter of JOHN DE MOWBRAY and ELIZABETH SEGRAVE.  She was born 1368.

 

More About SIR THOMAS GREY:

Fact 1: A Northumbrian knight

Fact 2: 26 November 1400, Executed

 

More About JOAN DE MOWBRAY:

Title:: Lady Joan Mowbray

       

Children of SIR GREY and JOAN DE MOWBRAY are:

2.                   i.    SIR JOHN2 GREY, b. of Heaton; d. Bet. 1420 - 1421.

3.                  ii.    SIR THOMAS GREY, KNT., b. of Werke; d. 1443.

4.                 iii.    HENRY GREY, b. 1390, of Keteringham, Norfolk; d. 1470.

                   iv.    WILLIAM GREY.

 

More About WILLIAM GREY:

Occupation: Dean of York & Bishop of London (1426)

 

                    v.    MATILDA GREY, m. ROBERT OGLE, KNT..

 

 

Generation No. 2

 

2.  SIR JOHN2 GREY (SIR THOMAS1, SIR JOHNA) was born in of Heaton, and died Bet. 1420 - 1421.  He married JOAN CHERLETON, daughter of EDWARD CHERLETON and ALIANORE DE HOLAND.  She was born Abt. 1397.

 

Notes for SIR JOHN GREY:

Ref. "Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists", by David Faris, p 168

 

John Grey, Knt, K.G., younger son, was born after 1384. He fought at the battle of Agincourt on 25 Oct. 1415. On 31 Jan 1418/9 he was granted the comte' of Tancarville in Normandy, in tail male. he was married to Joan Charleton, elder daughter and co-heiress of Edward Cherleton, Knt, 5th Lord Cherleton, of Powis, co. Montgomery, by his first wife, Alianor, eldest daughter of Thomas de holand, Earl of Kent (descendant of King Edward I). She was born about 1400 (aged twenty-one in 1421), and inherited the Lordship of Powis. Sir John Grey was slain at the battle of Bauge in Anjou on 22 Mar 1420/1. His widow died on 17 Sep. 1425.

 

 

 

More About SIR JOHN GREY:

Fact 2: styled "Earl of Tankerville" in Normandy

       

Child of SIR GREY and JOAN CHERLETON is:

5.                   i.    SIR HENRY3 GREY, b. of Tankerville and Powis.

 

 

3.  SIR THOMAS2 GREY, KNT. (SIR THOMAS1, SIR JOHNA) was born in of Werke, and died 1443.  He married ALICE NEVILLE, daughter of SIR DE NEVILLE and LADY STAFFORDE. 

 

More About SIR THOMAS GREY, KNT.:

Fact 1: 1st Husband

Of: Heton

       

Children of SIR GREY and ALICE NEVILLE are:

                      i.    SON3 GREY.

                     ii.    SON GREY.

                    iii.    SIR RALPH GREY, m. ELIZABETH FITZHUGH.

                   iv.    SON GREY.

 

 

4.  HENRY2 GREY (SIR THOMAS1, SIR JOHNA)2,3 was born 1390 in of Keteringham, Norfolk4, and died 1470.  He married EMMA APPLEYARD 14154, daughter of WILLIAM APPLEYARD and MARY. 

 

Notes for HENRY GREY:

 

Heny Grey is described as the third sonof Sir Thomas Grey and Joan Mowbray, his wife.

 

Sir Henry Grey (1470), 'Son of Sir Thomas Grey of Heton by Joan, sister to the Duke of Norfolk that dyed at Venys'.

 

Pedigree of Grey of Heton can be found in ...

 

Pedigrees in BCD-014

Northumberland County History Vol. 14 - Alnham, Chatton, Chillingham, Eglingham, Ilderton, Ingram, Whittingham, Lowick & Doddington

 

 

Documentary evidence that there were two 'Henry Grey's' living in Ketteringham is confirmed by the following deed at the National Archives.....

 

Item details for C 1/26/255

 

John Kyng and Mary his wife, late the wife of William Aplyerd. v. Henry Grey, the elder, Edmund ...., Nicholas Drax, of London, and other feoffees of the said William.: Manor of East C(a)r(lton?): Norfolk.

1386-1486

 

 

 

 

Other sources :

 

 

 "Ancient Funerall Monuments of The Diocese of Norwich" to

1631,:

 

"Keteringham:

"Here lyeth Henry Grey, the Son of Syr Thomas Grey knyght of Heton and

Ione hys wyffe that was Syster to the Duc of Norffolk, who dyed at Venys:

and Emme the wyffe of thaforseyd Henry Grey, the daughter of Willyam

Apleyard of the County of Norfolk Esquyer. ..."

 

 

More About HENRY GREY:

Monumental Inscription: 1470, St. Peter's, Ketteringham, Norfolk

 

More About EMMA APPLEYARD:

Name 2: Emma Appleyard5

 

More About HENRY GREY and EMMA APPLEYARD:

Marriage: 14156

       

Children of HENRY GREY and EMMA APPLEYARD are:

                      i.    SIR HENRY3 GREY7,8, b. 1416, of Ketteringham Hall, Norfolk9; d. 149210; m. JANE SCOTT10,11; b. , of Scotts Hall, Smeeth,  Kent12.

 

Notes for SIR HENRY GREY:

 

 

From "The History and Topography of Ketteringham" by James Hunter, 1851 ....

 

The possession of Ketteringham by the Greys continued till near the close of the century.  We find in Blomefield an extract from the Will of a Sir Henry Grey, which professes to shew how it passed from Grey to Heveningham, the family to whom it next belonged.  This Will is dated September 28, 1492, and contains the following clause :

 

 "As touching my manors, lands, and tenements hereafter following, first, I will that my lord Edmund of Suffolk, Whith all other the feoffees of my manor of Ketteringham, alias Ketteringham Hall, shall stand seized thereof to the use of me, Sir Henry Gray and Jane, my wife, term of our two lives and the longest liver, for payment of debts and performance of our wills : and after eight years after the death of the longest liver, to remain to Thomas Heveningham, Esquire, son and heir of John Heveningham, Knight, and to Anne, his wife, daughter of the said Dame Jane Gray, wife of the said Sir Henry Gray, and to the heirs of their two bodies lawfully begotten."  There is a remainder to William Grey of Merton."

 

 

 

This Sir Henry Grey of Ketteringham is almost certainly the son of Henry Grey.  Henry Grey is mentioned as the 'elder' in the following deed at the National Archives.....

 

Item details for C 1/26/255

 

John Kyng and Mary his wife, late the wife of William Aplyerd. v. Henry Grey, the elder, Edmund ...., Nicholas Drax, of London, and other feoffees of the said William.: Manor of East C(a)r(lton?): Norfolk.

1386-1486

 

 

 

He is also mentioned in the following, also at the National Archives . . . .

 

C 1/28/333 Robert Martyn, gent., of Sutton, and Eleanor his wife,

daughter of Henry Gray, esq., of Kettering. v. Henry Gray, the son,

brother of the said Eleanor.: Carrying off the said Eleanor and her

father, as they were coming in a chair from Norwich to Sutton, with

goods and evidences; detention of evidences, &c.   1386-1486

 

and at the Norfolk Record Office . . . .

 

Collection relating to Westwick and District

Title Deeds

 

Level Piece

Repository Norfolk Record Office

Title Charter - Feoffment: John Groos son of Oliver Le Groos, Esq. to Henry Cardinal of England, John Duke of Norfolk, John Clyfton, John Hevenyngham, knights, Miles Stapulation, Henry Graye, Robert Clere, John Paston and Edmund Bokenham, Esqs,

(The precise date of this deed is unknown by me so the Henry Graye mentioned might refer to the 'Elder' Henry Graye - Author)

 

 

Collection relating to Westwick and District

Title Deeds

 

Level Piece

Repository Norfolk Record Office

Title Charter - Feoffment: John Groos, Esq. to John Hevenyngham, Edmund Bedyngfeld, William Boleyn, Henry Grey, knights John Paston, Thomas Hevenyngham, William Gurnay senior, Richard Suthwell, William Yelverton, Esqs., Henry Spelman, James Hobert and John Wotton.

Date 20 Mar 1485

Description Land, tenements, rents, services, villeins etc. in Worsted, Westwyk, Honyng and Crostweyt. Seal fragment.

CatalogueRef PET 242, 97X5

AccessStatus Open

 

 

Collection relating to Westwick and District

Title Deeds

 

Level Piece

Repository Norfolk Record Office

Title Charter - Notification of Livery of Seisin: To John Hevenyngham, Edmund Bedyngfeld, William Boleyn, Henry Grey, knights, John Paston, Thomas Hevenyngham, William Gurnay senior, Richard Suthwell, William Yelverton, Esqs., Henry Spelman, James Hobert and John Wotton.

Date 29 Apr 1485

Description Messuages, land, tenements, rents and services in Sloleye, Scothowe, Westwyk, Worsted, Tunsted, Skoryston, Honyng, Crostweyt, Irstead, Netesherd, Barton, Beeston, Smalburgh., and elsewhere in the Hundred of Tunsted and the manors of Overhall and Netherhall in Irstead.

CatalogueRef PET 244, 97X5

AccessStatus Open

 

It is obvious from the above mentioned deeds that Sir Henry Grey was well acquainted with the Heveningham family.  His step-daughter Anne Yarde  was married to Thomas Heveningham, son of Sir John Heveningham.

 

 

 

Taken from "History and Topography of Ketteringham", by James Hunter, 1851

 

The next step in its history is, that Ketteingham became the property and residence of a knight of Northumbrian extraction, Sir Henry Grey.  In what manner he acquired it, does not appear on the face of any document, as far as I know; and Bomefield makes two statements : one, that he acquired it by marriage with Emma, the widow of Sir William Appleyard ; and the other, that he acquired it in marriage with a daughter of Sir William, still holding him to be knight.  To the latter opinion he himself inclines, and in this heiis followed by a very careful investigator of questions such as these, the Rev. James Raine, of Durham, who gives a well-laboured pedigree of the Greys of Northumberland, in his  "History of North Durham", (not, however, deducing the issue of this marriage of Grey and Appleyard), and certainly this is the more probable assumption.

 

The discrepancy in the two accounts appears to have arisen out of a mis-reading of an inscribtion which was once to be seen in the church of Ketteringham.  Weever gives it thus :*

 

 

    !Here lyeth Henry Grey, the son of Syr Thomas Grey, Knyght, of Heton, and Jones, his wyffe,   that was syster to the Duc of Norfolk who dyed at Tenys; and Emma, the wyffe of the foresaid     Henry Grey, the doughter of William Apleyard, of the seyd county of Norfolk, Esquyer. . . . . !

 

But Blomefield gives as the reading of the inscription the word "widow" for "daughter," while at the same time he states his opinion, in the face of his own copy of the inscription, that the true account would be that the wife was a daughter of Appleyard, and also that among the heraldic decorations of the tomb, are the arms of Grey impaling Appleyard.

 

But the copy of this inscription, so important in the history of the descent of the main interest at Ketteringham, as it is given in Blomefield, must be here set forth in apposition with the copy as given by Weever a century before, if it be only to shew under what difficulties the critical historian lies, when, as we see, he cannot depend on the report of the older antiquaries of the reading of inscriptions which have since disappeared.

 

    "Here lyth Syre Henry Grey, teh sonne of Syre Thomas Grey, knyght, of Heton, and of Jone, his       wife, that was systyre to the Duke of Norfolk, that dyed at Venys, and Emma, the wife of the         foresaide Syr Henry Grey, the widow of Sir William Appleyard, of the said county of Norfolk,    Esqyer, on whose sowles God have mercy."

 

Cotman's copy of this inscription accords with neither of these, but it approaches so near to Blomefield's  reading, adopting the corrections suggested by Blomefield, as to raise a doubt whether he actually copied the inscription from the monument, or was content to repeat Blomefield's report of it.

 

There are further difficulties.  Blomefield states, from his will, that Sir Henry Grey was alive in 1492, and there is other evidence to shew that a Sir Henry Grey was living about that period.  Yet it seems extraordinary, though it is not absolutely impossible, that a sister's son of the Duke of Norfolk, who was banished in 1398, and was born as early as 1367, should be alive in 1492.  Furthermore, he must in 1492, have been above ninety years of age, the post mortem inquisition of is father, bearing date in A.D. 1400.  It is not, perhaps, for one so much a stranger to the heroes of the county of Norfolk of the fifteenth century, to interpose an opinion so opposite to that of Norfolk's own historian, one hundred and twenty years ago, and of Mr. Dawson Turner in our own time ; but on the whole, it seems to me, that the Sir Henry Grey who married Appleyard's daughter, and thus became seated at Ketteringham, and whose tomb and window were the chief ornaments of the church, cannot possibly have been the Sir Henry Grey, whose will was made in 1492.  In the absence of ancient deeds and inquisitions, it is impossible to make a genealogical statement worthy of being received.  But one thing is exceedingly deserving of attention, that we find an inquisition in the county of Norfolk, taken at Hunstanton, on the Wednesday after the feast of St. Michael the Archangel, in the 29th of Henry the Sixth, 1450, on the death of a Sir Henry Grey, who was found to have died on the feast of St. Hilary the Bishop last past, leaving Richard Grey, his son, and next heir, aged thirteen.  And this, as seems to me, is the Sir Henry Grey, the nephew of Thomas Duke of Norfolk. 

 

Sir Henry Grey rebuilt the chancel of Ketteringham Church, and that in this chancel was his tomb.  Blomefield speaks of it as existing in his time, with effigies in brass, he in complete armour, his hands joined in prayer, and arms , which he calls those of Brotherton impaling Grey, and Grey impaling Appleyard.  This tomb has been removed : no one seems to know when ; but Mr. Cotman in his "Sepulchral Brasses of Norfolk"  appears to have made his drawings from it as lately as 1814.  Even the kind of tomb seems not now to be known, only that there were brasses of Sir Henry and his lady,and one or more shields of arms.  Blomefield must have meant the shield engraved by Cotman when he speaks of Brotherton impaling Grey ; but the shield wants the silver label, the distinguising mark of Thomas de Brotherton, and there is beside no tace of his having ever married in the family of Grey.

 

 

 

Other references

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Further references to Scott/Grey:

 

Memorials of the family of Scott of Scots-Hall in the

County of Kent..._ by James Renat Scott., pub. 1876.

 

 

More About SIR HENRY GREY:

Fact 1: Sheriff of Norfolk

Fact 2: Died without issue12

Will dated: 28 September 1492, whereabouts unknown13

 

Notes for JANE SCOTT:

 

 

Jane is referred to a 'Joan' in "Memorials of the Family of Scot of Scot's Hall" but in "History and Topography of Ketteringham", by James Hunter, 1851 she is referred to as Jane.  She is also called Jane in the will of Sir Henry Grey dated 28th September 1492. (Note -  I have not seen the original will to confirm this - Author).

 

 

Jane Scott was the daughter of Sir William Scot of Scot's Hall, Kent and Joan de Orlastone his wife.

 

It is stated in "Memorials of the Family of Scot of Scot's Hall" by James Renat Scot, published in 1876 that Jane married first Thomas Yerde of Denton, Kent and secondly Sir Henry Grey of Ketteringham (dsp 1492). 

 

In 1663 Scots Hall is so described:........

 

August 1663

2 ... This Evening I accompanied Mr. Tressurer & Vice Chamberlaine Carteret to his lately married Son in Laws Sir Tho: Scot to Scots hall in Kent; wee took barge as far as Grays-in (Gravesend), thence by Post to Rochester, whence in Coach & six horses to Scots hall, a right noble seate, uniformely built, hand-some Gallery, it stands in a Park well stored, fat & good land: we were exceedingly feasted by the young knight & in his pretty Chapell heard an excellent sermon by his Chaplaine ... In the Churchyard of the Parish-Church I measurd an over-grown Yew-tree that was 18 of my paces in compasse out of some branches of which, torne off by the Winds, were divers goodly planks sawed:

 

(Source: Diary of John Evelyn, 1663)

 

Jane Scott was possibly connected to Elizabeth Scott wife of Roger Appleyard.

 

More About JANE SCOTT:

Name 2: Jone (or Jane) Scott14,15

 

                     ii.    ELEANOR GREY16, b. 141817; m. (1) THOMAS HARRINGTON17; m. (2) ROBERT MARTYN, ESQ.18; b. of Sutton, Suffolk.

 

Notes for ELEANOR GREY:

 

Eleanor married at least twice but it is not known which husband she married first.

 

National Archives, Kew  . . . .

 

C 1/28/333 Robert Martyn, gent., of Sutton, and Eleanor his wife,

daughter of Henry Gray, esq., of Kettering. v. Henry Gray, the son,

brother of the said Eleanor.: Carrying off the said Eleanor and her

father, as they were coming in a chair from Norwich to Sutton, with

goods and evidences; detention of evidences, &c.   1386-1486

 

 

Notes for THOMAS HARRINGTON:

 

Presumably another spouse of Eleanor Grey.

 

 

Generation No. 3

 

5.  SIR HENRY3 GREY (SIR JOHN2, SIR THOMAS1, SIR JOHNA) was born in of Tankerville and Powis.

       

Child of SIR HENRY GREY is:

                      i.    ISSUE4 GREY.

 

 

 

Endnotes

 

1.  Brass to Henry Grey at Ketteringham Church.

2.  Brass of Henry Grey at Ketteringham Church.

3.  National Archives Ref: C 1/28/333.

4.  Via the Internet - unsubstantiated information.

5.  Brass of Henry Grey at Ketteringham Church.

6.  Via the Internet - unsubstantiated information.

7.  "Memorials of the Family of Scott of Scott's Hall" by James Renat Scott, 1876.

8.  National Archives Ref:  C 1/28/333.

9.  Via the Internet - unsubstantiated information.

10.  "Memorials of the Family of Scott of Scott's Hall" by James Renat Scott, 1876.

11.  "History and Topography of Ketteringham" by Joseph Hunter, 1851.

12.  "Memorials of the Family of Scott of Scott's Hall" by James Renat Scott, 1876.

13.  "History and Topography of Ketteringham" by Joseph Hunter, 1851.

14.  C.E. Carrington, 1967.

15.  "Memorials of the Family of Scott of Scott's Hall" by James Renat Scott, 1876.

16.  National Archives Ref:  C 1/28/333.

17.  Via the Internet - unsubstantiated information.

18.  National Archives Ref:  C 1/28/333.