I checked another file that I have--I previously looked on the
Honeyman file, where I found nothing (one of may Senior Moments I
experience)---this second file has Voorhees information on it and thought
what the heck, so I looked.
Low and behold-----and keep in mind I have nothing to verify any of
this information--if fact this file is put together from e-mail info that I
kept from other lists or was supplied by various researchers and all of it
is just secondhand info which really needs verification.
Catryntje VanDerVeer (no dates available)
m. Isaac VanNuys (no dates)
child:
Magdalena VanNuys (no dates)
m. Cornelius VanVoorhees
Cornelius is/was the son of Albert Lucasse VanVoorhees and
Catryntie Cornell.
I saved this info cause at the time I was seeing relationships from
Sutfin to Voorhees and we do in fact have a couple. You might find more
info from the VanVoorhees Association and they have a website. Also a new
book that was just released this summer with lots of Sut information in it.
I checked through my old e-mails for the URL's and other iformation but it
appears I have deleted it. I would guess that a search engine might find
the URL for you, In fact its possible that the above info came from Glee,
she provided me with a bunch of information when I was looking at the
Elizabeth Voorhees problem.
Wish I could have been more help, but I'll keep my eyes open and
maybe we can find more. Keep me informed on how it goes, please. I love
the search.
Ina S.
Jason Duncan & Tony East: Picked up your conversation about John Wesley
Sutphin, Jr and where he died. I have the Mt Airy, NC information from
Jason. Do I understand Tony is saying he is buried at the Round Peak Prim.
Baptist Church? Where is that [county or town and state]? I will correct
the Sutphin database for that important info.
Lois Johnsten "mailto:johnsten@micrord.com"
Jason, make that trip. Paul Sutphin is a pleasure to talk to.
He remembers so many of the older Sutphins who settled in
Surry Co. Be sure to visit the cemetery at Flat Rock also.
The church cemetery is not Wesley's original place of burial.
Even after his death that man continued wandering. ;-)
The picture of Wesley was borrowed from Paul many years ago.
He may have a story about it and tell you when it was taken.
Mary Anne
Tony Gray East wrote:
>
> Jason the church is not hard to find at all,I can give you directions or I
> will meet you up here and take you and show you, all of our people are
> buried at that cemetery. Just either way but I would like to introduce you to
> a grandson of Wesley if you have time when you come up he remembers him and
> that is where I got allot of my info.from.Mary Ann knows him well and he is
> allot of fun to talk to,so you let me know and I will call him and make sure
> he is going to be at home.Your Cousin Tony
> ----- Original Message -----
> Hello Cousin I saved the picture of John Wesley from your web page if you
>don't mind that is the only picture I have of him thanks again.keep in touch
>Your Cousin Tony East
> Hello again,Was looking at your site and did not see the burial place of
John Wesley Jr.He is buried about 2 miles from my home of Pine Ridge.The
church is called Round Peak Prim.Baptist Church,he has a white civil war
tomb stone that tells what unit he fought in.The picture you have of him,do
you have any idea when it was taken?Thank you your cousinTony East
Tony,
I believe my picture of John Wesley Sutphin Jr came from Mike's webpage a
few years ago. Perhaps someone on the list submitted it to him, maybe Mary
Ann? Does anyone have the story on this picture? It really is a good
picture of him, and it even printed out really well.
Is the church where he is buried easy to find? Is it near Mt. Airy? From
past discussions on SCOL, it was said that he died in Surry Co and was
buried near Mt. Airy. I live in Statesville now, but grew up near Elkin,
NC, so I might be able to drive up there one weekend and check it out.
For anyone who is interested, the picture of John Wesley Sutphin Jr can be
seen at
"http://www.angelfire.com/nc/wwwjmd/pictures.html"
Just click on "Sutphin" and that will take you to the four Sutphin pictures
I have on my webpage. I also have one of Wesley's brother Bluford/Buford
that I need to add. I thought it was already listed, but I guess not.
Jason
Jason Duncan
"http://www.angelfire.com/nc/wwwjmd/index.html"
fax: 240-352-4601
Jason the church is not hard to find at all,I can give you directions or I
will meet you up here and take you and show you,allot of our people are
buried at that cemetery.Just either way but I would like to introduce you to
a grandson of Wesley if you have time when you come up he remembers him and
that is where I got allot of my info.from.Mary Ann knows him well and he is
allot of fun to talk to,so you let me know and I will call him and make sure
he is going to be at home.Your Cousin Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Duncan" <"mailto:jmduncan@SURRY.NET">
To: <"mailto:SCOL@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU">
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 10:24 PM
Subject: John Wesley Sutphin Jr picture
> > Hello Cousin I saved the picture of John Wesley from your web page if
you
> >don't mind that is the only picture I have of him thanks again.keep in
touch
> >Your Cousin Tony East
> > Hello again,Was looking at your site and did not see the burial place
of
> John Wesley Jr.He is buried about 2 miles from my home of Pine Ridge.The
> church is called Round Peak Prim.Baptist Church,he has a white civil war
> tomb stone that tells what unit he fought in.The picture you have of
him,do
> you have any idea when it was taken?Thank you your cousinTony East
>
> Tony,
>
>
According to Paul, J. Wesley was buried "on the mountain" then
moved to the home place, which is where he was when I first
visited. A few years ago the family, Paul? had them, Wesley
and Ann, moved to the church where Crawford is buried. I think
when Paul refers to buried "on the mountain," was their land
originally there? The daughter Julia is buried there.
Where he was buried the second time, may have been on the William
P. homeplace. The land was no longer in the family and the folks
who owned it was not careful where the cows grazed. There was a
fence around the graves and it kept getting knocked down.
Re: the picture of J. Wesley, Donna noticed he seems to be missing
part of a little finger. Is there a story to that? Part of his
war injury?
Mary Anne
Tony Gray East wrote:
>
> Mary Ann you said that the cemetery was not Wesley's original place of
> burial,tell what you mean never heard that. Tony
I believe my picture of John Wesley Sutphin Jr came from Mike's webpage a
> few years ago. Perhaps someone on the list submitted it to him, maybe
Mary
> Ann? Does anyone have the story on this picture? It really is a good
> picture of him, and it even printed out really well.
>
> Is the church where he is buried easy to find? Is it near Mt. Airy? From
> past discussions on SCOL, it was said that he died in Surry Co and was
> buried near Mt. Airy. I live in Statesville now, but grew up near Elkin,
> NC, so I might be able to drive up there one weekend and check it out.
>
> For anyone who is interested, the picture of John Wesley Sutphin Jr can be
> seen at
> "http://www.angelfire.com/nc/wwwjmd/pictures.html"
> Just click on "Sutphin" and that will take you to the four Sutphin
pictures
> I have on my webpage. I also have one of Wesley's brother Bluford/Buford
> that I need to add. I thought it was already listed, but I guess not.
>
> Jason
>
> Jason Duncan
> "http://www.angelfire.com/nc/wwwjmd/index.html"
> fax: 240-352-4601
Hello everyone, I want to welcome all the new cousins. It
has been a while since we had new members, then five at once.
You will find all on the list helpful,always willing to add
to each Sut* history.
Sam Tolbert, good to have another Tolbert with us, we enjoy
Tammy and all she has added to the Sutphin data. Too bad we cannot
link the Tolbert families.
Tony G. East, Curtis J. Sutphin is s/o Rowdy and Nannie Slaydon
Sutphin, Rowdy s/o Sidney and Delilah Mcgrady Sutphin. A Carroll
Co. VA family which moved to Surry Co. Sidney Sutphin is also a
grandson of John Weslie Sutphin. Is your uncle Paul??
Kenneth, your name is very familiar, I am sure you will have much
to add to our list.
Alice and Charles, we look forward to getting to know you.
Welcome all of you,
Mary Anne
I will be changing my internet provider in the very near future.
If you`re interested in corresponding with me outside of the SCOL =
mailing list, please reply to this message. That way I can capture =
your email address for my new address book
Thanks
Geoff Sutfin (LI, NY)
My uncle Paul is doing fine as far as I know,have not seen him in a while.I
have never heard of Sidney Sutphin,if that I so that will make my Mother and
Father more kin than husband and wife.Is all of your research on the SCOL I
would like to compare it with mine.Thanks Your cousin
Tony East
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mary Ann sutphin" <"mailto:msutphin@TCIA.NET">
To: <"mailto:SCOL@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU">
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 5:13 PM
Subject: Welcome new cousins!
> Hello everyone, I want to welcome all the new cousins. It
> has been a while since we had new members, then five at once.
> You will find all on the list helpful,always willing to add
> to each Sut* history.
> Sam Tolbert, good to have another Tolbert with us, we enjoy
> Tammy and all she has added to the Sutphin data. Too bad we cannot
> link the Tolbert families.
> Tony G. East, Curtis J. Sutphin is s/o Rowdy and Nannie Slaydon
> Sutphin, Rowdy s/o Sidney and Delilah Mcgrady Sutphin. A Carroll
> Co. VA family which moved to Surry Co. Sidney Sutphin is also a
> grandson of John Weslie Sutphin. Is your uncle Paul??
> Kenneth, your name is very familiar, I am sure you will have much
> to add to our list.
> Alice and Charles, we look forward to getting to know you.
> Welcome all of you,
> Mary Anne
>
Gary: Want to make sure you have me in your address book. Hope yours is not
like mine. I lost it several times, so now keep an old fashioned paper one
to remind this aging head how things were done in the olden days. Your
cousin, Lois Johnsten "mailto:johnsten@micrord.com"
I am looking for Sherry Mullins. I have tried to e-mail her but the mail
comes back unknown address. Does anyone have a current address for her?
Thanks,
Tammy Tolbert Hudson
How do I access the SCOL Archives? I had the instructions
from someone on the list, but lost in one of the crashes.
Thanks,
Mary anne
Hi Geoff, this is from a Canadian cousin. I would be very interested to chat
once in a while with another Sutfin. There seems to be more of the other
kind. This summer out here in the west is a bit hotter then normal. Too much
in the 90's to suit me, but to-day it has started to cool off. I think I
will be able to go back to golfing now. Nice to hear from
you..............ken
Thanks Mike for introducing more cousins to us....Especially a good welcome
to another Ken..... Ken
Hi Ken, nice to see another Ken on the list. What part of the country do
you live in Ken? The introduction does not give any of that info so we have
to fish for it.
My self, I live in the Okanagan Valley in British Columbia just north of
Yakima, WA. In the city of Kelowna,BC. About 100,000 population...Mostly
apples and fruit, with about 90 winerys in the valley.Good wine......Am
retired......Nice to hear from you.......Ken
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Hello Cousins
I want to thank you all for being so kind to me since I joined SCOL.I
have got a lot of information from you all,and just wanted to thank you
all.I never knew there was so many Sutphins,I have had a great time reading
all of the email.My wife is fussing a little but that is normal with those
wives.Your Cousin Tony East
Hello Cousin I saved the picture of John Wesley from your web page if you
don't mind that is the only picture I have of him thanks again.keep in touch
Your Cousin Tony East
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Duncan" <"mailto:jmduncan@SURRY.NET">
To: <"mailto:SCOL@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU">
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 11:50 AM
Subject: welcome to SCOL
> Tony,
>
> It's Jason here, and yes I do descend from John Wesley Sutphin, Sr. Here
is
> my line beginning with me:
>
> Jason Duncan (b1976)
> John Duncan (b1954)
> Roy Duncan (b1919)
> Perry Cornelius Duncan (1887-1937) and Mary Mitchell (1890-1925)
> Benjamin Floyd Duncan (1861-1909?) and Margaret Ann Sutphin (1860-1913)
> John Anderson Sutphin (1837-1911) and Sarah W. Smith (1839-1876)
> John Wesley Sutphin, Sr. (1811-1879) and Lucy Tolbert (1820-1888)
> John Sutphin (1790-1876) and Celia Hylton (1794-1876)
> Hendrick Sutphin (c1768-1857) and Rachel Owen (1772-1845)
>
> My website is at: "http://www.angelfire.com/nc/wwwjmd/gen.html"
>
> Welcome to the group!
>
> Jason
>
>
> Jason Duncan
> "http://www.angelfire.com/nc/wwwjmd/index.html"
> fax: 240-352-4601
>
Cost of the book "Sutphin Cousins, Too: Descendants of William,Sr and Alcey
Sutphin" is $30.00 plus $4.00 postage, to Lois Johnsten, 105 Alba Ave,
Ravenna, Nebraska 68869. Thank you. Lois Johnsten "mailto:johnsten@micrord.com"
Click Here: Archives
of "mailto:SCOL@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU"
Mary Anne,
This link goes to the SCOL Archives. The first time there, or the first time
after a computer crash, choose "join or leave the list (or change settings)"
and then go step by step from there.
Once you get to the SEARCH page, you can bookmark the Search page, as long as
your computer keeps the SCOL cookie.
Hope this helps,
Steve
Thought you might enjoy this? Lost it the first time.
1) Thou shalt name your male children: James, John, Joseph, Josiah, Samuel,
Richard, Thomas, William or Isaac.
2) Thou shalt name your female children: Ann, Elizabeth, Mary, Martha,
Margaret, Sarah, or Susanna.
3) Thou shalt leave NO trace of your female children.
4) Thou shalt, after naming your children from the above lists, call them by
strange nicknames such as: Ike, Eli, Polly, Molly or Sally - making them
difficult to trace.
5) Thou shalt NOT use any middle names on any legal documents or census
reports and only where necessary, you may use only initials on legal
documents.
6) Thou shalt learn to sign all documents illegibly so that your surname can
be spelled, or misspelled, in various ways: Hicks, Hix, Hixe, Hucks, Kicks.
7) Thou shalt, after no more than 3 generations, make sure that all family
records are lost, misplaced, burned in a court house fire, or buried so that
NO future trace of them can be found.
8) Thou shalt propagate misleading legends, rumors, & vague innuendo
regarding your place of origination.
(A) You may have come from: England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales.....or Iran.
(B) You may have American Indian ancestry of the _________tribe.......
(C) You may have descended from one of three brothers that came over
from_________
(D) You descended from Royalty and the copy of the family Coat of Arms that
you brought with you has been lost.
(9) That shalt leave NO cemetery records, or headstones with legible names.
(10) That shalt leave NO family Bible with records of birth, marriages, or
deaths.
(11) That shalt ALWAYS flip the name around. If born James Albert, thou
must make all the rest of thy records in the names of Albert, AJ, JA, Al,
Bert, Bart, or Alfred.
(12) Thou shalt also flip thy parent's names when making reference to them,
although "Unknown" or a blank line is an acceptable alternative.
(13) Thou shalt name at least 5 generations of males, and dozens of their
cousins with identical names in order to totally confuse researchers.
(14) Thou shalt name several children after famous people, and then use
ridiculous nicknames to make them unrecognizable in censuses and other
records: George Washington (Joe), Andrew Jackson (AJ, Jack), Marquis de
Lafayette (Mark, Lafe), Abraham Lincoln (Brarn, Linc) Alexander Hamilton
(Sandy, Ham).
Hello everyone, I want to welcome all the new cousins. It has been a while since we had new members, then five at once. You will find all on the list helpful,always willing to add to each Sut* history. Sam Tolbert, good to have another Tolbert with us, we enjoy Tammy and all she has added to the Sutphin data. Too bad we cannot link the Tolbert families. Tony G. East, Curtis J. Sutphin is s/o Rowdy and Nannie Slaydon Sutphin, Rowdy s/o Sidney and Delilah Mcgrady Sutphin. A Carroll Co. VA family which moved to Surry Co. Sidney Sutphin is also a grandson of John Weslie Sutphin. Is your uncle Paul?? Kenneth, your name is very familiar, I am sure you will have much to add to our list. Alice and Charles, we look forward to getting to know you. Welcome all of you, Mary Anne
Supthin,/Sutphen/Suffrin/Sutfin/Supthin/Sulfen/SulphenZella Perry, Albany, OH 46710
June 1977
Dear Niece Roalene,
Get ready as I?m going to try to write you a lot. I don?t expect you?ve heard.
I will start on my father, John H. Sutphin. He was born on Bull Creek in Boone County, W.Va. Son of Hendrick and Jane Harbour Sutphin. There were a large family of children. I don?t know the names of all of them, but Uncle Dave and Bill, I?ve seen. There was a Benny, Charles Wesley, Abner, and more that I have forgotten the names. And there was Aunt Martha, Ailsa, Nancy and Emily the youngest. She Married George Whie (or White) and they had a large family. One of their boys was cut into in a mine with a coal cutting machine. I met the boys widow and one of the daughters one time I was at Kelley?s when he lived at Madison. Aunt Nancy married a Gibson. She was the best scholar of the family, I have a letter she wrote father in 1898..78 yrs. ago the year I was born. There isn?t an error or misspelled word in it.
Aunt Martha married a Gunnoe. She had 3 children: Ulysses, Beryl and Melissa. I don?t know who Ailsa married.
Now about my favorite Uncle Dave. A big roly poly sweetman. He had Ballard, Lee & a daughter, Ophelia (Thelia, she was always called. She never married. She had a son Everett Spurlock; his father was Evermount Spurlock.
So here goes our outlaw relatives. Ballard and Lee, they were cattle thieves. Stole a large drove of cattle at night and drove away and sold them. They hid at day and would slip back at night to see Uncle Dave and my father. I was a small child but I can remember them hiding up on the bank behind our chicken house. Mother would fix them something to eat and father would carry it up to them. I don?t know whether they were ever apprehended or not, but I know father got letters from Lee under an assumed name, of course. They had married into a good family; they married sisters. May married Ballard and Dora, Lee. Ballard had a little daughter, Elizabeth, and Lee a son, Reginald.
I saw Helle, Uncle Bill?s daughter, a big buxom woman. She married Rufus Canterbury. They and 2 sons, Sam and Oscar.
Oh yes, I forgot Uncle Dave?s Abner. He was sheriff and got shot but recovered. I don?t know anything about his family as father never cared for him.
Uncle Bill had a boy named Jerome and I can?t think whether Taylor Sutphin was his son or not. You know Uncle Dave was the only one besides father living in Lincoln county.
I was just a small child and it is hard for me to remember very much, but I hope you can at least an inkling of the family tree.
Now here are mine: Virgil married Bessie {I can?t make out this name, it ends etty}. They have two daughters, Lavonne, the oldest one, graduated from Ohio Univ. and married her sweetheart in the same class. Ross Love from Cambridge. They have four children: Loren, Kathy, David and Jeff. Lavonne and Ross are both good Christians. He has been Sunday School Supt. for years in Columbus. Lavonne teaches in the S.S. She also teaches High School. I?m proud of them. Janet the youngest is married to Terald Moore. She has three children: Sandra, Judy and Jeffrey. Virgil is a victim of sugar diabetes but has thousands of dollars.
Now Vernon?s: He married Oranna Puckett from Ky. They had four children: Ronnie Edward, Kenneth Eugene, Sharon Anne and Michael Blaine. Ronnie was killed in a car smah up at 21 yrs. left a little 18 mo. daughter, Mona Jean, Vernon and Ann have raised her. She will soon be 17. Kenneth married Gerry. I can?t think of her last name. Gene is general foreman at General Motors, Inc. in Columbus. Vernon operated all the radar system over all the plant until he had to retire for spinal and heart trouble. He draws a lot of money.
Hazel married Chester Davis. He was untrue to her; had Edgar, Alice and Donna. Alice has two little girls. I can?t think of their names. Donna has Angela, a sweet little darling. I raised Donna. Her husband, Ed Woods is a Sgt. in the city police force in Columbus.
Amy married George Lowther. They have 2 children: Douglass and Kathy. Douglas married April Higgenbotham. They have three children; Stephanie, Wendy and Chat; a real nice family. Kathy married Gary Spencer, they have 2 little boys. Curtis and Terry Wayne, also very nice.
Victor married Dessie McComas. They are 0. Dessie can?t have babies. I live with them most of the time. She is so sweet to me.
Fernie has 5 boys and one girl: Frankie, Dennis, Victoria Lynne, Brian, Kevin and sweet little Joe, my youngest grandchild.
Frankie married Marsha Grether. They have a little girl, Debbie. Frank is also a Sgt. in the city police force in Columbus. Vickie married Michael Fraley. They have a little boy 17 mos. old, Dana Edward, a little roly poly. Kevin graduated this spring from H.S. Brian dropped out lacking only three mos. of graduating. Dennis, the handicapped, graduated from H.S. with a B average in everything. Joe is in the 4th grade. Vicky?s husband is in the timber business and are they making the money!
Louisa married Kenneth Ellis. She had 7 girls and one boy, the youngest, and that was it. Cheryl married Gary Wright: 2 girls Kelli and Kerri. Kerri is in the 1st grade; he has good work and makes a good living. Kay married Tim Sayre. They have Shane and Jodie. He works at construction. Kay works with the Senior Citizen Place; they have their own home. Carole Elaine married Gary Hamon. They have Shawn and Amy. He has a nice farm and home well furnished. A fine man. Kimberly married Bruce Perry, a 3rd cousin. He works at construction. He was sent to Arizona the Ibby construction Co. but it was so hot there (110) they came back for their baby to be born. Christopher Alan, a little cherub. He hasn?t any property yet but will have soon. She has 4 in school.
So that?s my family tree. Not bad eh? I have 22 grandchildren, 14 g. grandchildren. Wouldn?t you just love to see the clan all together? I would.
Amy and Jack have bought a large double mobile home and set it where their house burned. When their home burned, they found only 4 things that didn?t burn. In making through the ashes, they found a little miniature deer and two little china Siamese kittens. That I bought them and gave them to her. I said, ?Here is something you will always have.? And she said ?Yes, Mom, I will always have them.? Everybody says it was the most unusual thing the ever heard of. That was all they ever found. Had to be God?s will for them not to burn.
No, Rosalene, I haven?t seen Rena since Kelly lived in Albany. I seen on the paper a month or so ago where she had been in the hospital. Fernie went with Tiny and Dorothy to the funeral of her husband.
Well Rosalene, it seems I was just robbed. I never got to see either Ethel or Marie. I was sorry to hear you lost your husband and sister. God bless and comfort you, I pray.
I suppose Tiny has written you of my health. I?ve had three serious heart attacks. The second one, they inserted a Pacemaker right under my shoulder blade. I?ve had two attacks since I?ve had it, but no more blackouts, thank God. I?ve had two gallstone operations: the first one they took the stones and said the bladder was too infected to remove. I kept vomiting bile and on the 4th day they x-rayed and seen they had missed some stones so operated again and took bladder and all. I had 41 stones ranging in size from Buckeyes down to beads. All black as tar and hard as rocks. I was also hospitalized for pneumonia twice. Bladder infection twice and twice for oxygen. It?s just God?s mercy I am still here. I want to be ready when He calls me. You know the Bible tells us: At the hour you thinketh not the Son of Man cometh.
You will never want to hear from me again after this journal. God bless you and all the other girls, glad Venilie is happy. Hello to her
I got 72 cards at Chrm.
Aunt Zella
CHARLES H. SUTPHIN [sic] B-1807 NY. $3500 SEE 1850 LaSalle Co, IL. P-380. WIFE WAS ELIZABETH B-1812 MASS. Aslo see LaSalle Co. Census 1860 P-125 (not researched). A Julia Sutphin [sic] who was born 1810 was living with Charles and his wife when the U.S. Census was taken on 20 Nov 1850. Source: FRANKFORT, KY. ARCH. The 1860 Illinois Census not available in Frankfort, Ky. Charles H. Sutphen [sic] died in Gary, In. Seven known children. 1 CAROLINA T. SUTPHIN [sic] B-1835 IL. 2 Charles F. Sutphen B-1837 IL. 3 George E. Sutphen B-1839 Il. M. Inez [Knickerbocker?]. For George see LASALLE CO, IL. 1860 P-535 (Not researched). -3a. Edward Sutphen B-31 Dec 1868 St. Louis, [Hannibal?] Mo. M Grace Hubbard. 4 Mary C. Sutphen B-1841 IL. 5 Albert W. Sutphen B-1844 Il. -6 Frederick T. Sutphen B-9 APR 1849 Il. M LEONA VANHORN 7 John G. Sutphen B-1850 2/12 Il. JULIA SUTPHEN [sic] B-1810 NY. (Relation to Charles H. is unknown.)
*Edward Sutphen B-31 Dec 1868 St. Louis, [Hannibal?] Mo. s/o George E. Sutphen and Inez [Knickerbocker?]. Edward wed in Chicago on 12 Mar 1892 Edward D-5 Mar 1927 in Chicago. Grace d-2 Apr 1953 at Aurora from pneumonia. Burial location for both unknown. 1 Edward Sutphen Jr. B-5 Aug 1896 Chicago, Il. M. Signa ________ date unknown. D-Oct 1967 Il. 1a Betty Sutphen 1b Doris Sutphen B-4 Jan 1928 1c William E. Sutphen B-12 Feb 1929 1d Patty Sutphen -2 H. (Harry) Donald Sutphen B-4 Apr 1899 Chicago. M1 Alice Elizabeth Fisher, M2 Margaret Frances "Marjorie" McCorkle -2a Charles Edward Sutphen B-30 Nov 1951 Chicago.
*H. (Harry) Donald Sutphen B-4 Apr 1899 Chicago, Il. s/o Edward Sutphen and Grace Hubbard. He first wed in Chicago, Il on date_______________ to Alice Fisher B-2 Jul 1900 Chicago, Il. Alice was d/o Robert Fisher and her mother died in childbirth. Donald and Alice had three children before they were divorced in Chicago on 30 Nov 1948. M2 for Harry [Donald] was in Chicago on 1 Dec 1948 to Marjorie McCorkle B-24 Jul 1919 Frankfort (Spinks Co.), SD. d/o Charles McCorkle and Anne Sullivan. Donald D-Jun 1977 Chicago. ssi. Donald donated his body to medical study. Marjorie D-11 Dec 1975 Louisville,Ky. ssi. while living with her sister. Marjorie buried North Chicago, Il. Alice D-Aug 1974 Chicago. Remains were cremated. 1 Harry Donald Sutphen B-19 Jan 1928. M (Carol) Joy Donald (nee Joanne Perkins) 2 Jun 1956. In 1996, Harry and Joy resided in Glenview Il. 1a Steven Paul Sutphen B-10 Dec 1957 Oak Park, Il. M Thoa Wulf 25 Aug 1994 In 1996 Steve and Thoa resided in Cypress, Tx. 1b George Donald Sutphen B-22 Aug 1960 Santa Monica, Ca. M Anne Dietsche 6 Aug 1983 George and Annie had three children: Robert Donald Sutphen B-21 Jun 1984 Alexander Sutphen B-10 Jul 1987 Christopher Michael Sutphen B-12 Mar 1990
2 (Robert) John Sutphen B-29 May 1929 M1 Jane Lapinski, M2 Susan Cale 28 July 1990 In 1996 John and Sue resided in Lowell In. 2a Kathleen Sutphen B-18 Sep 1956 2b Robert John Sutphen Jr. B-28 Dec 1957 2c James Sutphen B-26 Oct 1964
3 Barbara Alice Sutphen B-22 Feb 1931. M Roland Elwood Swett 13 Mar 1953 In 1996 Roland and Barbara Swett resided in West Chester, Pa. 3a Amy Swett B-23 Oct 1962 3b Rebecca Swett B-13 Dec 1963 3c Robert Swett B-13 Dec 1963 4 Charles Edward Sutphen B-30 Nov 1951 Chicago, Il. M1 Linda Jean Weiss, M2 Ruth O. Short (nee Anna Louise Harris)
*Charles Edward Sutphen B-30 Nov 1951 Chicago, Il. Chuck was first wed in Macoupin Co, Il on 6 May 1972 to Linda Weiss. They divorced in Atlanta, Ga. in Sep 1975. No issue. M2 was also in Macoupin Co, Il on 22 Jul 1990 to Ruth O. Short. No issue. In 1991 Chuck and Ruth resided in Carlinville, Il., where Chuck was Director of Academic Computing at Blackburn College.
My dad,s name was Jefferson and his parents were William Washington and Julia Ann (Bias) Sutphin. If you have heard of them please let me know.
Now about me:
Born on Nov.22,1966. Married on Nov. 06, 1993 to Terrill Anne Cooper. D.O.B. 05-08-61 One daughtor: Callie Christinia Renee' Sutphin. D.O.B. 06-04-95
We now live in Atlanta where I am a building engeneer for Coca Cola. My wife and I have been involved in the Salvation Army for many years.
I WORK AT NEW RIVER COMMUNITY COLLEGE IN DUBLIN, VA; WORK PART-TIME AT KMART IN RADFORD AND LIVE IN PULASKI, VA.
MY ADDRESS IS PO BOX 56, DUBLIN VA 24084
I WOULD LIKE TO BE A PART OF SCOL AND KNOW HOW TO GET IN AND OUT OF YOUR FILES WITHOUT GETTING TO LOST. DIGEST AND E-MAIL SOUND GREAT.
BELOW YOU WILL FIND INFO ON MY FAMILY THUS FAR.
MY INTEREST LIES IN SEEKING ANY NATIVE AMERICAN HERITAGE IF I HAVE ANY. I KNOW MY GREAT GRAND PARENTS LOST A LOT OF FAMILY IN THE TYPHOID FEVER THAT CAME TO CARROLL IN THE LATE 1800'S AND EARLY 1900'S.
KEEP IN TOUCH AND THANK YOU FOR ANY HELP OR PRINTOUTS YOU CAN SEND ME.
HERE ARE SOME BASICS.
BETTY LOU GOAD AIKENS BORN IN HILLSVILLE ON NOVEMBER 6, 1955. NOW MARRIED TO CHARLES RAY AIKENS, JR - BORN OCTOBER 21, 1948
PAST MARRIAGE / WIDOW OF GARY WILLIAM SARTIN IN OCTOBER 1973. GARY DIED FEBRUARY OF 1975.
MY ONLY DAUGHTER IS MICHELLE LEIGH SARTIN - BORN JULY 1, 1974. SHE IN NOW LIVING IN LAUREL FORK, HER FATHER WAS KILLED WHEN SHE WAS TWO YEARS OLD, IN SNOWVILLE, VA JUST OUTSIDE OF RADFORD.
MY PARENTS:
J B GOAD (NO OFFICIAL NAME, JUST J.B.) BORN AT HOME OCTOBER 30, 1932 CONSIDERED AREA OF FLOYD COUNTY
ALICE L0RALEEN MARSHALL GOAD HERRON SYNDER BORN SEPTEMBER 24, 1937 MOM AND J B DIVORCED WHEN I WAS IN GRADE SCHOOL. MOM LATER REMARRIED JAMES HERRON FROM ROANOKE (SOME OF HIS FAMILY ARE IN THE RICHMOND AREA) HE LATER DIED AND MOM REMARRIED AGAIN TO BILL SNYDER. MOM NOW LIVES IN ELLISTON, VA. HER PARENTS WERE WILLIAM "CLYDUS" MARSHALL WHO DIED FEBRUARY 12, 1944 AND EDNA B DUNCAN. THEY WERE FROM INDIAN VALLEY, VA. (SEE LIST OF HER FAMILY AT END OF E-MAIL)
MY GRANDPARENTS: (J B GOAD'S PARENTS)
WILLIAM CHARLIE GOAD BORN OCTOBER 6, 1904 AND DIED OCTOBER 13, 1975 FROM CARROLL COUNTY. HE WAS BURIED IN THE COX CEMETARY NEXT TO AVIS COLLIER'S STORE ON ROUTE 221.
DELLA MAE OUSLEY GOAD BORN OCTOBER 21, 1909 DIED MARCH 1, 1996 AT AGE 86 IN RADFORD HOSPITAL OF CANCER. BURIED IN THE COX CEMETARY. FUNERAL AT MABERRY FUNERAL HOME FROM CARROLL COUNTY AREA BUT LIVED IN WILLIS AREA TILL DEATH HAS THREE SONS LIVING, TWO SISTERS LIVING, TWO GRANDDAUGHTER (BETTY LOU GOAD AIKENS) (BRENDA GOOD ELLIOTT) ONE GREAT GRANDDAUGHTER (MICHELLE LEIGH SARTIN) ONE STEP GRANDDAUGHTER (SANDRA HOLLANDSWORTH AKERS) THREE STEP-GRANDCHILDREN AND SEVERAL NIECES AND NEPHEWS.
CHARLIE AND DELLA HAD THREE SONS ALL BORN AT HOME. DR RUTROUGH DELIVERED THEM.
J B GOAD - BORN OCTOBER 30, 1932 NOW LIVES IN WILLIS VA HE DIVORCED ALICE LORALEEN MARSHALL GOAD THEN REMARRIED MARY ALICE AKERS WHO HE ALSO DIVORCED. I AM HIS ONLY CHILD.
GERALD HUBERT GOAD BORN JUNE 1, 1935 NOW LIVES IN WILLIS VA - NEVER MARRIED
HANFORD LEO GOAD BORN FEBRUARY 23, 1938 NOW LIVES IN INDIAN VALLEY MARRIED PAULINE PETTRY HOLLANDSWORTH GOAD. PAULINE'S DAUGHTER IS SANDRA HOLLANDSWORTH AKERS (SANDRA MARRIED DANIEL AKERS) HANFORD & PAULINE HAD HAD BRENDA GOAD ELLIOTT WHO LIVES IN WILLIS. (NEXT DOOR TO HER UNCLE J B GOAD).
PARENTS OF WILLIAM CHARIE GOAD: WOODSON ___ GOAD BORN JULY 26, 1878 - DIED DECEMBER 9, 1909 WAS BURIED IN SILVER LEAF CEMETARY. NO GRAVE MARKER I AM NOT SURE WHERE IT IS AT. I AM NOT SURE YET WHO HIS FATHER WAS YET.
SUSANNE SUTPHIN GOAD (NOT SURE IF SPELLING OF HER NAME IS DIFFERENT) SHE DIED DECEMBER 24, 1926 I AM NOT SURE OF HER BIRTH DATE OR IF SHE IS BURIED AT THE SAME PLACE. HER MOTHER WAS NAMED TAMPANN (TEMPIEANN) SUTPHIN WHO DIED APRIL 8, 1909. I KNOW SHE IS RELATED TO CHARLIE AND VICTORIA TURMAN SUTPHIN, AND RELATED TO BILL SUTPHIN, VICK SUTPHIN. I THINK CHARLIE SUTPHIN WAS WILLIAM CHARLIE GOAD'S UNCLE.
PARENTS OF DELLA MAE OUSLEY GOAD:
MILLARD ___ OUSLEY BORN MARCH 10, 1872 DIED OCTOBER 30, 1945 HE HAD A BROTHER NAMED ALBERT OUSLEY
ALDORA DALTON OUSLEY BORN EITHER AUGUST 25, 1878 OR SEPTEMBER 10, 1875 DIED OCTOBER 1, 1955 DIED AT HOME OF MRS KERSEY QUESENBERRY (GRACIE) NEAR WILLIS. (SEE LIST OF CHILDREN BELOW)
ALDORA'S MOTHER WAS MARY JANE AKERS DALTON (WHO WAS MARRIED TO WILL AKERS THEN TO SAMUEL DALTON WHO WAS ALDORA'S FATHER.
ALDORA'S BROTHER WILLIAM "BALLARD" DALTON 91 OF DUGSPUR DIED AT PULASKI HOSPITAL DAUGHTERS: MRS BURLIE THOMPSON (MARGARET REED DALTON THOMPSON) HILLSVILLE MISS CARRIE DALTON OF WILLIS SON: WILEY DALTON OF DUGSPUR - BURIED AT COX CEMETARY FUNERAL AT VAUGHN GUYNN MCGRADY CHAPPEL
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THE CHILDREN OF MILLARD OUSLEY AND ALDORA DALTON OUSLEY:
CHARLIE ROSCOE OUSLEY - BORN DECEMBER 29, 1896 MARRIED: ANNIE _____ OUSLEY SONS: CLEIVE OUSLEY GROVER OUSLEY DAUGHTER: MAE OUSLEY ?????
CORA ELON OUSLEY - BORN FEBRUARY 8, 1899 MARRIED: JONAH QUESENBERRY (BROTHER TO KERSIE QUESENBERRY) CHILDREN: DOROTHY QUESENBERRY STILLWELL (MARRIED DAVID STILLWELL) CHESTER QUESENBERRY, EARNIE QUESENBERRY, CASSELL QUESENBERRY, ISERE (EISERE ?? SPELLING) QUESENBERRY, RUSSELL QUESENBERRY
GRACIE LEE OUSLEY QUESENBERRY - BORN AUGUST 8TH 1903 MARRIED: KERSIE QUESENBERRY (BROTHER TO JONAH QUESENBERRY) CHILDREN: GOLDIE QUESENBERRY, ELMER QUESENBERRY, ESTEL QUESENBERRY, VERGIE QUESENBERRY
EARLY ROBERT OUSLEY - BORN FEBRUARY 21, 1906 MARRIED A NESTER LADY ???? HAD 3 GIRLS AND 1 BOY ??????
DELLA MAE OUSLEY - BORN OCTOBER 21, 1909 MARRIED : WILLIAM CHARLIE GOAD SONS: J B GOAD, GERALD HUBERT GOAD, HANFORD LEO GOAD
CARLEY HERMON (? HARMON) OUSLEY - BORN MAY 12, 1913 MARRIED GERTRUDE PHILLIPS OUSLEY CHILDREN: TOMMY OUSLEY DIED IN A CAR ACCIDENT, DAVID OUSLEY, JANICE OUSLEY, RUTH OUSLEY, LINDA OUSLEY
CLEAVY "ELMER" OUSLEY BORN JULY 2, 1917 (TWIN) WAS MARRIED TWICE SECOND WIFE WAS ODESSY _____ OUSLEY CHILDREN: MARY OUSLEY JUANITA OUSLEY, BOBBY OUSLEY, RACHAEL OUSLEY (DECEASED)
EVA "VELMER" OUSLEY CARTER BORN JULY 2, 1917 (TWIN) IN DANVILLE VA MARRIED: JESSIE CARTER (DECEASED) CHILDREN: NANCY CARTER, GLENDA CARTER GAUDETTE ( HER DAUGHTER DAWN GAUDETTE) ELWOOD CARTER ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- ALICE LORALEEN MARSHALL GOAD HERRON SNYDER - BORN SEPTEMBER 24, 1937
PARENTS: WILLIAM "CLYDIS" MARSHALL - DIED FEBRUARY 12, 1944 EDNA B MARSHALL DUNCAN - BORN APRIL 30, ____ EDNA DIED IN NURSING HOME HERITAGE HALL IN BLACKSBURG SHE MARRIED A DUNCAN AFTER CLYDIS DIED.
SISTERS: DOVEMA MARSHALL DUNCAN - MARRIED HASCUE BERNARD DUNCAN VERNA MARSHALL MARSHALL - MARRIED CHARLES E MARSHALL GENEVA MARSHALL MARSHALL - MARRIED BILL MARSHALL IN ROANOKE VA SHIRLEY DUNCAN ROY BRYANT - DIVORCED AND REMARRIED VINCENT BRYANT LIVES IN ROANOKE
BROTHERS: CLEARANCE MARSHALL - DIED OF A BLOOD CLOTS COBERN ANDREW MARSHALL - LIVES IN INDIAN VALLEY OTIS T MARSHALL (DIED MARCH 8, 1962) HUNG HIMSELF IN JAIL RUFUS MARSHALL BORN IN 1942 (DIED JUNE 10, 1982 IN KILLED IN RADFORD ARMY AMMUNITION EXPLOSION) WIFE - VIVIAN MAE _____ MARSHALL MONROE MARSHALL (DIED WHEN FARM TRACTOR TURNED OVER AT AGE 7 0R 8)
SOME OF THE MARSHALL FAMILY ARE BURIED IN THE BIG SAND CEMETARY IN INDIAN VALLEY.
BETTY LOU GOAD AIKENS NRAIKEB@nr.cc.va.us ------------------- Betty, that was a wonderful introduction. It makes your line easy to place. (For our SCOL cousins, I sent her much of the info in Sutphin Cousins and Addenda... she ties back to Hendrick and Rachel Owen Sutphin via William "Tyler Bill" Sutphin.
Don't be shy about jumping right in Betty... a more friendly bunch you'd be hard pressed to find.
Jesse L. Sutphin s/o William Henry Sutphin and Catherine Workman
Jesse, #368-20-30, was an Aviation Machinist Mate, 1st Class, assigned to the Torpedo Squadron 2 (VT-2) aboard the USS Lexington. Admiral Chester Nimitz dispatched the Lexington from Pearl Harbor, HI, on 15 April 1942, as part of a battle group tasked with defending New Zealand and Australia from the Japanese aggression. The Lexington sank at the Battle of the Coral Sea off the northeast coast of Australia on the 8th of May, 1942. Japanese dive bombers hit the Lexington with 3 Bombs and 2 torpedoes. the first torpedo caused the ship to burst into flames and the second caused a major explosion on board. Four and a half hours after the first explosion, Capt. Frederick C. Sherman gave the order to abandon ship. They were rescued almost immediately by nearby ships. Jesse was one of many on a long list of survivors found at the U.S. Naval Museum in Washington, DC. He joined the Navy in 1932 and made it his career.
As today is Veterans day, I thought I would post the following detailed description of the war time efforts Jesse L. Sutphin. I find what little we know of his military service quite intriquing so I thought I would share it with everyone. As you read about the Battle of the Coral Sea on May 8, 1942, one can only guess about Jesse's thoughts, his prayers, his fears, the fatique, the suffering, and sacifices that he most surely endured that fateful day. So on Veterans day 1997, 45 years later, let's stop for a moment and thank Jesse and millions more servicemen like him for their service to our country and for helping to secure our freedom.
Jesse, God bless you and may God rest your Sole.
Jesse L. Sutphin was the son of William Henry Sutphin and Catherine Workman. Jesse was an Aviation Machinist Mate, 1st Class, assigned to the Torpedo Squadron 2 (VT-2) aboard the USS Lexington during WW II.
This ship was the fourth ship to named the USS Lexington. On 8 January, 1921 the building of the Lexington was started at the Fore River Shipbuilding Company in Quincy, MA and originally was to be a battle cruiser. However, I was decided to complete the ship as an aircraft carrier on 1 July, 1922 and it was launched on 3 October, 1925. The Lexington joined the Pacific battle fleet at San Pedro, CA, on 7 April. 1928. In the fall of 1941, she sailed with the battle force to the Hawaiian Islands for tactical exercises.
On 7 December, 1941, the Lexington was at sea with TF 12 (Task Force 12) carrying Marine aircraft from Pearl Harbor to reinforce Midway when the word of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was received. She immediately launched search planes to hunt for the Japanese fleet, and at midmorning headed south to rendezvous with the USS Indianapolis and the USS Enterprise task forces. She conducted a search southwest of Oahu Island until returning to Pearl Harbor on 13 December, 1941.
The Lexington sailed the next day to raid Japanese forces on Jaluit to relieve pressure on Wake Island but these orders were cancelled and she was directed to cover the Saratoga Task Force in reinforcing Wake Island. When Wake Island fell on the 23rd of December, the two carriers were recalled to Pearl Harbor, arriving there on the 27 December, 1941.
The Lexington patrolled to block enemy raids in the Ohau-Johnston-Palmyra triangle until 11 January, 1942, when she sailed from Pearl Harbor as the flagship for Vice Admiral Wilson Brown, Commander of TF 11. On 16 February the task force headed for an attack on Rabaul, New Britain, scheduled for 21 February. While approaching the day previous of the planned attack, the Lexington was attacked by two waves of enemy aircraft, nine planes to a wave. The carrier's own combat air patrol and its antiaircraft fire downed 17 of the 18 attackers. Lt. E. H. "Butch" O'hare won the Medal of Honor by shooting down five enemy aircraft in a single sortie.
Her offensive patrols in the Coral Sea continued until 6 March when she rendezvoused with the USS Yorktown's TF 17 for a thoroughly successful surprise attack. Flying over the Stanley Mountains of New Guinea, they inflicted heavy damage on the shipping and the installations at Salamaua and Lae on March 10th. The Lexington then once again returned to Pearl Harbor arriving on 26 March, 1942.
Admiral Chester Nimitz dispatched the Lexington from Pearl Harbor, HI, on 15 April 1942, to rejoin TF 17 tasked with defending New Zealand and Australia and the Coral Sea from the Japanese aggression. The Lexington and the Yorktown moved into the Coral Sea to search for the enemy's force covering projected troop movements and to block the Japanese southward expansion and the possible invasions.
On 7 May search planes reported contact with an enemy carrier task force and the Lexington's air group flew an eminently successful mission against it and sank the light carrier, Shoho. Later that day, 12 bombers and 15 torpedo planes from the still-unlocated heavy carriers Shokaku and the Zuikaku were intercepted by fighter groups from the Lexington and Yorktown who downed nine of the enemy aircraft.
On the morning of the 8 May, 1942, a plane from the Lexington located the Shokaku group and a strike was immediately launched from the American carriers heavily damaging the Japanese ship.
The enemy penetrated to the American carriers at 1100 hrs, and 20 minutes later, the Lexington was struck by a torpedo to the port side. Seconds later, a second torpedo hit the port side again directly abreast the bridge. At the same time, she took three bomb hits from enemy dive bombers, producing a 7 degree list to the port side and several raging fires. By 1300 hrs, her skilled damage control parties had brought the fires under control and returned the ship to an even keel; was making 25 knots; and was ready to recover its air group. Then suddenly the Lexington was shaken by a tremendous explosion caused by gasoline vapors below and again the fires raged out of control. At 1558 hrs, Capt Frederick C. Sherman, fearing for the safety of men working below decks, secured the salvage operations, and ordered all hands to the flight deck. Four hours after the explosion, at 1707 hrs, he ordered "abandon ship!" and an orderly disembarkation began with the men going over the side into the warm water. Nearby cruisers and destroyers picked up the men almost immediately and Admiral Brown and his staff were transferred to the USS Minneapolis. After insuring all his men were safe, Capt. Sherman and his executive officer, Comdr. M. T. Siligman, were the last to leave the ship.
As the Lexington blazed on, flames shooting hundreds of feet into the air, the Destroyer Phelps closed to within 1500 yards and fired two torpedoes into her hull. With one last heavy explosion, the gallant Lexington sank at 1956 hrs at 15 degrees 20 minutes south latitude and 155 degrees and 30 minutes east longitude. She was part of the price that was paid to halt the Japanese aggression and to safeguard Australia and New Zealand.
Found at the U.S. Naval Museum in Washington, DC, Jesse was one of many on a long list of survivors.
Thanks Steve Now I can go on and find my connection between Dirk and William. Opal -----Original Message----- From: Opal Howry To: SCOL@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU Date: Saturday, November 20, 1999 12:14 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: SCOL Welcome New Cousins...
>I am not sure about who to address this question to but I ave been reading >everything that is on the e-mail but so far I still do not find out just how >many children Dirk Jason Van Zutphen has. I originally thought there were >two but si seems there are more. My list said just William and Derick. >Some of you say I am missing some generations but Where?? How do I find >them? Where do I get my hands on the Honneyman book you speek of? >-----Original Message----- >From: Opal Howry >To: SCOL@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU >Date: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 2:06 PM >Subject: Re: Fwd: SCOL Welcome New Cousins... > > >>David Thomas Sutfin was originally spelled Sutphen he changed to Sutfin b >>1797 Saratoga Co., NY d 1876 Dundee, Ill moved there about 1860 mar >1836 >>Cohoes, NY to Hannah Melissa Sweet d/o William and Sarah (Dinsmore) Sweet, >>(1 children) one being Caroline Marie wheo married Dr. Chester Eleazer >>Williams (Dentist) is my direct line. >>David s/o William Sutphen and Anna Wickham (6 children) >>William s/o Dirk Jason Van Zutphen and Lipbett Elizabeth Van Neys came to >>Utricht, Long Island 1651 he canged his name to Sutphen >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Mary Ann sutphin >>To: SCOL@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU >>Date: Sunday, October 17, 1999 9:25 AM >>Subject: Fwd: SCOL Welcome New Cousins... >> >> >>>Hello new cousins and welcome to SCOL. >>>Opal, please tell us more of your David Thomas Sutfin. Sutfin was >>>commonly used as spelling in our SW. VA. branch. (among other >>>spellings.) >>>Cheryl, I do believe there are Sutphin/Lott connections among the >>>SCOL Cousins, I hope we can add to your knowledge of your family. >>>Deborah, I believe we have talked before, how can we help you with your >>>family? I think Cheryl may be the first of the Alderman line to join us. >>>Am I wrong? >>>Good to add you to our group of wonderful folk. >>>Regards, >>>Mary Anne >>> >>>>Hello Everyone, >>>>
I am new to SCOL and have just spent some time reviewing the mail list archives and I am very impressed. I have spent months doing this with a little help from my aunt and I am happy to say that I have not been too far off the mark with my research.
If anyone is reseraching my particular line(s) I would be very happy to hear from them, especially my cousins who have found themselves to be realated to each other more than once. This makes my family tree program very unhappy. It took weeks to straighten out. I hope you can all follow the following lines, I will start with myself and work back:
Sharon Eileen MURRAY BERTHOUD(divorced using Murray) Parents: Franklin Gerard MURRAY and Mary Margaret GETHARD, Mary born in Somerville, Somerset County, New Jersey.
Parents of Mary Margaret GETHARD: Chester GETHARD, b. 1910; d. 1981, Margaret Sarah KELLY, b. 1911; d. d. 1996
Parents of Chester GETHARD: Clarence Manning GETHARD, b. 1891; d. 1941, Dorothea Sutphin LATOURETTE, b. 1892; d. 1973
Parents of Dorothea Sutphin LATOURETTE: George McClellan LATOURETTE, b. 1861; d. 1912, Margarita Newell SUTPHIN, b. 1862; d. 1950
Parents of George McClellan LATOURETTE: Andrew Thompson LATOURETTE, b. 1823; d. 1875, Sarah Maria DALLY or Daley b. 1834; d. 1913 Parents of Margarita Newell SUTPHIN: Peter D. SUTPHIN, b. 1835; d. 1877, Sarah Newell, b. 1836; d. 1908
Parents of Andrew Thompson LATOURETTE: Garret LATOURETTE, b. 1798; d. 1857, Hannah Thompson, b. 1802; d. 1838 Parents of Peter D. Sutphin: Derick SUTPHEN, b. 1796; d. 1882, Elizabeth Dils, b. 1806; d. 1887
Parents of Garrett LATOURETTE: Peter LATOURETTE, b. 1755; d. 1836, Margaret STOUT, b.______; d. 1850 Parents of Derick SUTPHEN: Jacob SUTPHEN, b. 1768; d. 1817, Mary SUTPHEN, b. 1769, d. ______
Now heres where it all gets very interesting, please forgive the twisting but I can't figure any other way to show this.
Parents of Margaret STOUT: Thomas STOUT, b. 1734; d. 1827, Jannetje VAN STEE, b.______; d. _______ Thomas is the son of James Stout and Johanna Johnson, James is the son of James Stout who in turn is the son of Richard and Penelope VAN PRINCEN STOUT.
Parents of Jacob SUTPHEN: Derrick SUTPHEN, b. _____ ; d. 1831, Ann Chamberlain, b.___; d. abt 1831 Derrick is the son of Jan (John) SUTPHEN and Penelope STOUT. Jan is the son of Jacob SUTPHEN son of Dirck Janse VAN SUTPHEN and Lysbeth VAN NUYS. Penelope's parents are James STOUT and Elizabeth DUTRIEUX, James' parents are Richard and Penelope VAN PRINCEN STOUT.
Parents of Mary SUTPHEN: Roelif SUTPHEN b. ___; d. ____, Johanna STOUT, b. 1736; d. ______ Roelif is the son of Jacob SUTPHEN and Maryeitje Schenck, Jacob is the son of Jacob SUTPHEN who is the son of Dirck Janse VAN SUTPHEN and Lysbeth VAN NUYS. Johanna is the dau. of James Stout and Johanna Johnson, James is the son of James Stout, who is the son of Richard STOUT and Penelope VAN PRINCEN.
Whats worse..... Peter LATOURETTE's parents are David LATOURETTE and Catharina LANE.... Catharina LANE could be descendent of Matthias LANE, husband of..... Elizabeth SUTPHEN.
Is anyone else part of this crazy line? I would love to hear from you. And please if you think I have this wrong let me know.
Sharon Murray pkwycat@yahoo.com
Three interesting tidbits on Sutphin Genforum, well many more then that, I am just passing along three.;-) (Julie is looking for parents of Ellis SUTFIN of MI.) Ken Sutphin is looking for Chester Arthur Sutphin, 1883-1992. He does not say where, but I suspect WVA. as his other note announces Sutphin-Paugh Reunion, Fairmont, WVA. July 1. Jody is looking for a Charles H. Sutphin, born CA. 1889. I thought I would pass along. I did not check Genforum very often, then I had three of NC. John Sutphin descendants there on about the same day. Cheers all, Mary Anne
Hello Everyone,
Today we welcome Thomas Loftus, a cousin to all of us SW VA/WV Sutphins. Here is his note to me...
Hello Mike,
My name is Tom Loftus, I am originally from WVA and my mother was a Sutphin. We are from Boone county and I have a book on Sutphin's that came from Montgomery county, Virginia. Hendrick Sutphin was born about 1806, about 1834 he married Jane Harbour, who was born in Henry county VA. in 1814. They had 10 children, Nancy, Abner, David E., Ailey, Martha, William, Archibald Taylor, John H., Benjamin W., and Emily Sutphin. If this is part of your family I have the names of the rest of the family to date. iI you would like a copy I could send one or they are on file with the Boone county Genealogical society Madison, WVA. Let me know one way or the other.
I would like to be added to your [SCOL] site and would be glad to send what I have to you. I just got my computer and I am not very good at using it as of now but will keep trying. If you want I can mail what I have via post office or type it on the comp. A lot of what I have is on your site but there is some that isn't listed. My mother, Verdie Sutphin Loftus b. Apr. 11 1915 d. June 14 1977 m/1 Thomas Denver Loftus 1934 had nine children , Christine Yvonne[valo] Loftus, b. June19 1935, Inez Gail [Smith] Loftus, b. Oct. 14 1936 Hershel Lee [buddy] Loftus, b. Aug. 29 1939, Regina Lou [Bassham] Loftus b. May 24 1942, me ,Thomas Danny Loftus b. June 11 1944, Darrell Gene Loftus b. July 18, 1946, Brenda Sue Loftus b. May 11, 1948 d. Feb.23, 1950, Judy Joyce Loftus b. June 1. 1954 d.June 1 1954. I will send the rest of the info. when i get it all straight .
Sincerly, Tom Loftus loftus@westol.com -----------------------
Thomas, you have LOTS of cousins here on SCOL, many of whom know a GREAT deal about the Boone Co, WV clan... especially Mary Anne Sutphin. Your note had some names that I believe are new to me... haven't done a thorough check as yet. At any rate, any additional info that you have would be well received by our SCOL group. Just send it e-mail via SCOL so all can see.
One easy way to do this is to go to the SCOL Web Site:
"http://www.fred.net/msutphin/scol3.htm"
look for the link to the Family Group Sheet form. You can use that form to enter family data. In the To Whom Sent (e-mail) box just enter
SCOL@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
This will send the group sheet to everyone in SCOL. Very few folks have taken advantage of this form... it is a great way to share data. Perhaps I need to advertise it more often. Just do one form per family... once you enter the data... go to the bottom of the page and click on send message. Then, you can go back and enter data for the next family.
Thomas, don't be shy about posting notes to SCOL. You are among friends that are very helpful. Many of our members are still quite new to computing and the Internet... so we all learn from each other.
Regards to all... Mike
Some time ago I had requested that Cor send me a history of Zutphen, Holland as follows. Thought you might be interested in the name--
Dear friends,
About two years ago I found a book written in 1858 about the Netherlands. Eight hundred pages with descriptions and historical information of cities, villages, hamlets, buildings, and so on. The writer describes a building, which was built a few years earlier, but does not exist anymore. It's like going back in time. It's a mixture of geography and history. All distances are measured in hours walking. I have tried to translate it as good as I can, but it is written in an exalted way and in the old spelling, so much of the charm of this text gets lost the moment you translate it.
This is what I found about Zutphen. If you want to have similar information about another place, just let me know. Don?t forget you have to pretend you're living 140 years ago, while reading.
Regards, Cor Snabel The Netherlands ----------------------------------------------
Zutphen
Our walk has brought us to Zutphen, one of the oldest towns of our country, it used to be the capital of the County Zutphen. The time of its origin is uncertain, all we know is, that the Lords and Counts of Zutphen had considerable belongings at both sides of the IJssel in the early days of the 11th century. In 1050 the name Zutphen is mentioned and in 1095 it is mentioned as a town. By the marriage of Countess Ermingard with Gerhard II, Count of Gelre in about 1134 these two parts of the province Gelderland were joined forever.
Its favorable location at the river IJssel made Zutphen an important trade center. During the first centuries of its existence it suffered from a lot of bloody war acts, but the worst happened in 1572. Don Frederik, son of Alva, besieged Deventer because the citizens had demolished a convent and drove away the monks. During the negotiation about surrendering the city, Don Frederik?s troops suddenly attacked, took the city and brought about a massacre, which almost depopulated Zutphen. After it came under Dutch control again in 1579 a similar disaster happened when it was conquered by lieutenant-colonel Taxis in 1583. The Englishman general Count Robert Dudley Leicester tried to free Zutphen in 1586, but that failed completely. Five years later Prince Maurits conquered it within five days and fortified it to be one of the best-protected cities in the country. About 80 years later, in 1672, Zutphen surrendered to the French almost without a fight and they held it for about two years and inflicted a lot of hurt and damage to the city.
Zutphen is a lovely town on the right-hand side of the river IJssel, in a picturesque surrounding, six hours north north east of Arnhem. It has the shape of an almost exact circle, divided in two unequal parts by the stream the Berkel, the Old Town in the north and the smaller New Town in the south. Three bridges connect these two parts to each other. Zutphen used to be a fortress with 12 bastions, surrounded by width, deep canals. Now most of it is gone, turned into parks, overgrown with weeds and trees or fallen apart. Picturesque ruins of the old walls with the remainders of 5 vaulted gates still separate the eastern part of the city, the Suburbs, from the Old City. On the other side of the Berkel are the ruins of a castle visible, where you can still recognize the loopholes and gates.
The connection with the other side of the river IJssel was maintained by a floating bridge, built on 8 vessels, but for a few years it was dismantled, because the vessels had suffered too much damage by floating ice. Now the other side is reachable by a temporarily bridge on legs with a floating part in the middle, in order to let the ships through. The number of inhabitants is 13.120 (in 1858, now in 2000 it is 35.165) of which 9.660 Reformed, 2.400 Roman Catholic, 105 Baptists and 520 Jews.
One of the most important buildings is the Groote- or St. Walburgskerk, it is one of the oldest churches of the Netherlands, built by bishop Burchard of Utrecht in 1105 after the original church burned down. In 1446 the tower was struck by lightning and burned down, but was rebuilt in 1499 even more beautiful and higher than before. In 1600 the tower was struck again and destroyed completely; in 1637 a lower tower with a nice steeple took its place. It has a wonderful copper baptismal font and an organ with 25 registers and 2 keyboards. The second Reformed Church is the Broederenkerk, also very old, but in 1528 the interior was completely renovated and has an organ. Zutphen has a Lutheran Church, which was renovated in 1830 and a Roman Catholic Church, the St. Janskerk. It was built in the 13th century, became a catholic church in 1806 and has two altars and a nice organ. This church has a high steeple, which can be seen from far away.
From: Het Koningrijk der Nederlanden. By: J.L. Terwen 1858 Published by: G.B. van Goor, Gouda
I want to thank all those who gave me such a warm welcome to this group of wonderful folks. It has made me feel like joining even more of my family. After spending a few hours going through messages I am happy to see so many with whom I share common ancestors. I have been working on genealogy for 25 years but have spent a lot more time in the last five. Had I known what I know now I would have taken more trips to Boone county in the early seventies.
Just as an introduction, my wife's name is Betty Jean Hoffmann from Minn. We have two children Elizabeth and Donald. We also have two grandchildren by Elizabeth named Kenneth and Audrey Kniceley, and Shadon by Donald. My daughter couldn't decide what to name Audrey so I printed an index of about 1400 Sutphin names that I had collected and she picked one from the list.
So far I have 200 pages of Jan Van Sutphin descendants and I can see that Scol will help me collect even more. I am really interested in personal history. Dates and places are great but those personal descriptions and stories are the genealogical spice of life. The letter from Zella Sutphin brought tears to my eyes when I read descriptions of my GGGGrandfathers family. I of course will be glad to help anyone who would like some information that I may have.
I also talked to that well known Sutphin researcher Robert Sutphin. He came here (Fairmont, WV) and got some information. He sent me a copy of what he collected here and an interesting story that if true has me in a state of confusion as to who my great grandfather was. The story can be found at my Family page at Family Tree Maker. Robert said he was going to write a book and did not want to share his information beyond my immediate family. Does anyone know if he has ever gotten his book published?
Well, I' v prattled along long enough. Again Thanks and I'll be watching my email with anticipation on a regular basis. Ken
Martin D.Sutphin Obituary was in yesterdays paper.
Newsday (LI, NY) Obituary 8/18/2000
A synopsis is:
Martin D. Sutphin, a retired supervising editor for the Associated Press =
who help coordinate coverage from the 1962 Cuban missile crisis through =
the Clinton years, died of cancer yesterday. He was 69.
Sutphin, a resident of Rutherford, NJ, died at Hackensack Medical Center =
in NJ.......
He worked for more than 30 years on the AP's general desk in NY, which =
oversees coverage of national and international news......
Sutphin was born Oct. 12, 1930 in Hightstown, NJ. His father died when =
he was 12.... In Rutherford he was well known as a former softball and =
little league coach and supporter of youth athletics..... He is survived =
by his wife, Joyce Rosenberg; daughters Kathleen and Martha; a son, =
Michael; and five grandchildren......
Geoff Sutfin (LI, NY)
From: "mailto:MCPEAK1990@aol.com"
>Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:58:37 EDT
>Subject: Vergie PHILLIPS McPeak (Peak)
>To: "mailto:phil@sum.net"
>
>I am a great grandson of Vergie Phillips who married George McPeak, I am just
>wondering what kin we would be. My family still resides in and around Carroll
>County: if you would like I could furnish you with names and phone
>numbers.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Jerry L. McPeak
Hi Phil, I can claim Virgie Phillips McPeak. She was
married to "Little" George McPeak, s/o Reuben and Minerva
Hylton McPeak. Reuben, s/o Archelous and Katherine Sutphin
McPeak. George, a brother to hubbie's grandmother.
Mary Anne
Hello Listers,
One of my cousins sent this information to me . Maybe someone out there
can use the info. I know nothing about any of these Owen"s
Wanda
Robert Owen b est 1678-1711 m July 27, 1722 in Llanbadrig d est
1750-1798
Wife Ellin Hughes b est 1685-1711 d est 1751-1802
Son Owen Owen b Oct 17, 1749 m May 11, 1770 d est 1780-1840
Owen's wife Mary Jones
Prichart Owen b est 1671-1703 m Nov 30, 1717 D est 1729-1787
Wife Ann Hughes b est 1679-1705 d est 1729-1793
Son Robert Owen b Apr 17, 1726 m 1741 d est 1747-1817 b in Llanbadrig
Robert''''s wife: Margaret Owen b May 1724 in Llanbadrig d est
1748-1818
Her Parents: Wm Lewis Owen and Einore Humphrey
Robert's son: Owen Owen b Apr 17, 1726(something wrong) m May 16, 1773 d
Sept 4, 1804 in Llanbadrig. m in Llanfechell
Owen's wife Elizabeth Owen b May 25, 1744 in Llanfechell d est 1778-1839
Their children: Elizabeth Owen b Oct 17, 1773 in Llanfechell m William
Roberts June 26, 1799 in same place d Oct 16, 1838 in Bryn Moch,
Llanfechell
Owen Owen b est 1750-1784 d est 1761-1863
William Owen b est1756-1784 d 1761-1863
I was looking through your list of sutphins and have found some of my relatives! #19 Isabelle Suphin is my ggg grandmother. The info that i have on her is she was born in1817, died on 4/?/1899 possibly married to a David Sutphin (b. 1810 d. 1855) her children (#83-87) eliza m. Albert Helen b. 8/14/1836 d. 8/4/1905 david m. lucy day (who later married james tolbert) b. 1838 d. 1860 Floyd b.1840 d. 1905 sarah m. andy young b. 1843 archibald Holden Sutphin (my gg grandparent) m. Araminta Huff (m. 12/21/1874) b. 7/22/1849 d. 2/25/1911 araminta was gg grandparent they had one kid Florence Mitchell (married to henry bertie saunders/sanders) b.11/18/1876 or1877 m.8/4/1904 d.2/4/1943 he got a divorce from araminta, kept florence, and remarried Mary Jane Halstead (b.6/9/1863 m. 11/25/1888 d. 12/8/1918) the children were annie beatrice, elsie eleanor, mary elizabeth, isabella queen, virginia fern, and bertha hume.
i have a lot more info on the children and mary jane's family if you would like to have it or if you have anymore info on isabel and her family I would love to have it!
I got a lot of information from Mary Ann. She is really helpful. This weekend I am snail mailing her the information that i have on the sutphins and the sanders. (Too much typing!!) Most of it is letters from family that gives the history, but Beatrice Sutphin Higgins did a lot of work and i have her stuff.
I would love to be apart of SCOL!
Thanks, Laura Polis satyrsidhe@excite.com
I have an Edward A. Sutphen marrying Grace Audrey Hubbard October 21, 1891,
In Aurora, Kane Co., IL. Can supply more if this is the right one.
Charles
Hi, I'm Karron Hubbard, father was Abbott Hubbard, his father wasColumbus
Green Hubbard who married Adeline Priscilla Sutphin, Columbus's father was
William Zackeries Hubbard, who married Mary Elizabeth Conner, his father was
Benjamin Hubbard and so on does this help?
Dear Lois,
I am interested in purchasing one of the Sutphin Books, but don't know
which one would be of value to me. My only link to the Sutphin family is
through my gg grandfather, Amos Cox who had children by Celia Sutphin. I am
aware of a son, Sidney and a daughter, California. I have heard that there
was another son, but am not sure. At any rate, I would love to find out more
about this relationship.
Please advise, and send me the address to use for sending the money.
I am also interested in locating any pictures that might exist with
Celia, California and Sidney. Also if there are any pictures available for
the tombstones of these family members, I would gladly pay to get copies.
Eager to hear from you.
Sandy
A few years ago the Dr. Sutphen gedcom was being passed around the New
Jersey Sutphen's. Can Ina Sutphin help? Lois in Nebraska
The Hubbard family I need is s/o Roseabelle Sutphin and
John Hubbard of Floyd Co. VA. I thought we had had a member
of that family join us sometime ago.
Thanks though for the offer of help from you and Joan
I read with interest about the Sutphin books available and wish, I think, the
money was floating around for them. However, the question arises if they would be
of any use to me.
In one letter I read the belief that the Sutphins originated in NJ. The earliest
I can get back is to my gg grandfather Abraham Sutfin, who lived on Oak Hill, town
of Dansville, Steuben Co., NY. From NJ to NY is not a great leap. Does anyone
have any information of the movement of Sutfin's in this direction?? Thank You.
Bill Smith
Hello Everyone,
Just wanted to pass along that my parents, Glenn & Blanche Sutphin (from the
Willam Sutphin Sr. line) celebrated their 73rd wedding anniversary
yesterday. Both are residents of a local nursing home, and in pretty good
health. Quite remarkable in this day and age to be married for such a long
period of time. Gosh, the best I could do was two marriages (for a total of
30 years) and two divorces.
Hope all are doing well...
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For those of you following the Ketturah/Katherine Sutphin saga,
in Grayson(Carroll) Co 1830 census,
Kitty Sutphin head of household
1 male 0-5, 1 male 5-10
1 female 0-5, 2 female 5-10, 1 30-40.
This seems to be
Kitty 30-40
Unknown 20-30 (I suspect it is Isabelle)
1 Rebecca 5-10
2 William J 5-10
3 Judy 5-10
4 unknown male -5
5 Rachel -5
6 Lucretia -5
In 1850 Carroll Census,
Rachel 22 Isabelle 31
Mary A 5 Eliza 14
Louisa 3 david 11
Nancy J 8/12 Floyd 8
Lauretha 16 Sarah 4
Archibald 1
In Floyd Co 1853
Family 776 Family 800
Harriet 53 Wm J 30 b Carroll
Rachel 19 Sarah 28 b Patrick
Catherine 16 (m Isaac Weddle) Emeline 7 b Floyd
William 12 (m Francis Alderman) Anna 6 b Floyd
Family 831 Maria 3 b Floyd
Rebecca 33, b Carroll Co Juda 25 b Carroll
Bethana 13 b Floyd
Asa 4 b Floyd (m Vinetta Goad)
I am going to try to make a census record, like one I have, to send
on William Sutphin Sr family. It surely raises questions I have not
been ableto answer.
Mary Anne
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I got this information from a inquiry I placed in Surry Co., NC. Thought I
would share it with the group in hopes it will be of help.
Don Conoly
Now for what info I currently have:
>Mamie Sutphin Hicks was born 6-15-1897 married Charlie Benton Hicks
1-10-1915
>- she died 4-?-1987, he died 12-?-1981. Mamie was the daughter of James
Irvin
>Sutphin and Mary Johnson Sutphin. They married 8-18-1894 she was born about
>1873. Mary and James Irwin had at least one other daughter - Dora Elizabeth
>(who married George Goad) - Dora was born 8-23-1895 and married George
>3-14-1916, James Irvin and Mary had several other daughters but do not know
>names. They had one known son - James W. Sutphin born 11-15-1900 died
>11-22-1925 he died of a gunshot to head - buried at Sutphin-Midkiff -
>informant on death record was W.A.(William Abner) Sutphin who would have
been
>his grandfather. Mary was daughter of Joseph Johnson and Tempe (assume
>Temperance) Johnson. I have no other info on these two but wish I did.
James
>Irwin Sutphin was son of Irwin Sutphin and Elizabeth Midkiff Sutphin -
Irwin
>was born 1843 in Carroll Co Va died 1906 in Surry Co - Elizabeth
(Lizzie)was
>born 1850 and died 1924.
>Irwin Sutphin was born in Va but was living in Surry in 1861 he volunteered
in
>Surry Co 6-5-1861 with Co. l 21st regiment, NC when he was 18, was in one
of
>the first groups to organize and leave the county for training camp after
the
>was began. He was wounded 5-4-1863 at the Battle of Chnacellorsville, Va.
He
>left the company on 10-1-1864 - Irwin and Elizabeth (lizzie) lived at
Flatrock
>- they had two children James born 1873 and William A born 1875. Irwin was
son
>of John Sutphin born about 1807 and Rebecca Montgomery born about 1806 -
>Rebecca was daughter of Irwin and Sarah Hiatt Montgomery. John Sutphin was
>son of William Sutphin and Alsey (unknown maiden) John and Alsey came to
>Montgomery Co V from Bedford Co Va - were living there 1800-1810, about
1812
>they went to Floyd Co Va, moved to Grayson Co Va (now Carroll Co) in the
>1820's - William Sutphin was a land speculator and owned thousands of acrea
in
>Bedford Co Va. After he went to Grayson Co lost almost all of his
holdings.
>William and his brother Hendrick Sutphin came to Surry Co NC together.
>In the 1850 Carroll Co Va Census John and Rebecca are listed - John was 43
and
>Rebecca was 44 - their children were listed as - Abner age17, married
Martha
>Taylor - after her death he married Mary Jane Taylor (sisters) all buried
at
>Sutphin-Midkiff, Ruth J age 15 married James Archillus Deatheridge - both
>buried S-M, Hannah age 12 Married Armsted Durham buried S-M, Leanna age 9
>married Edmond A. Taylor, Irwin age 6, married Elizabeth Midkiff, not
listed
>on census was William O born 1846 married Martha J. Adkins - second
marriage
>of William to Katie Frank in Pulaski, Va. As far as I can tell all of these
>are buried at S-M Cem.
>Sutphin-Midkiff Cemetary was started by John Sutphin - he would be my
>GGGGrandfather - about two weeks before he died he went to a field and
under a
>pine tree said that was where he wanted to be buried - The grave is
unmarked
>and the pine tree is gone. At least 5 unmarked graves are there - John and
>Rebecca and Abner and Abners two wives Martha and Mary Jane.
>- they had two children James born 1873 and William A born 1875. Irwin was > son > >of John Sutphin born about 1807 and Rebecca Montgomery born about 1806 - > >Rebecca was daughter of Irwin and Sarah Hiatt Montgomery. John Sutphin was > >son of William Sutphin and Alsey (unknown maiden) John and Alsey came to > >Montgomery Co V from Bedford Co Va - were living there 1800-1810, about > 1812 > >they went to Floyd Co Va, moved to Grayson Co Va (now Carroll Co) in the > >1820's - William Sutphin was a land speculator and owned thousands of acrea > in > >Bedford Co Va. After he went to Grayson Co lost almost all of his > holdings. > >William and his brother Hendrick Sutphin came to Surry Co NC together. > >In the 1850 Carroll Co Va Census John and Rebecca are listed - John was 43 > and > >Rebecca was 44 - their children were listed as - Abner age17, married > Martha > >Taylor - after her death he married Mary Jane Taylor (sisters) all buried > at > >Sutphin-Midkiff, Ruth J age 15 married James Archillus Deatheridge - both > >buried S-M, Hannah age 12 Married Armsted Durham buried S-M, Leanna age 9 > >married Edmond A. Taylor, Irwin age 6, married Elizabeth Midkiff, not > listed > >on census was William O born 1846 married Martha J. Adkins - second > marriage > >of William to Katie Frank in Pulaski, Va. As far as I can tell all of these > >are buried at S-M Cem. > >Sutphin-Midkiff Cemetary was started by John Sutphin - he would be my > >GGGGrandfather - about two weeks before he died he went to a field and > under a > >pine tree said that was where he wanted to be buried - The grave is > unmarked > >and the pine tree is gone. At least 5 unmarked graves are there - John and > >Rebecca and Abner and Abners two wives Martha and Mary Jane.
Dear Tammy: Because you ask for this information, I have decided to just put it out on SCOL. I am sure that it is old hat to some of you. Dixie
From: Surry Co Soldiers in the Civil War Irwin Sutphen- Co I 21 Reg NC Irwin Sutphen was born in Va in 1843. He was living in Surry in 1861. He volunteered at Surry 5 June 1861 when he was 18 in one of the first groups to organize and leave the county for training camp after the Civil War began. He suffered a wound in the hip 4 May 1863 at the Battle of Chancellorsville, Va. He left the company 1 Oct 1864. His wife was named Elizabeth according to the Surry Cen. lists of 1870-1880. They lived in the Mt Airy Township at Flat Rock where they were laborers. Elizabeth was born in 1850. In 1880 they had two children: James C, b 1873 and William A, b 1875.
On 1862 Tax List Surry Co NC John Sulfin, William Sulfin, Abner Sutphin
From: Halifax Co Marriage Bonds and Ministers Returns Sarh Talbot m Robert Wilson- 27 Apr 1789 Elizabeth Tolbert m Thomas Milam-12 Jun 1786 Martha Tolbert m William Woodall-12 Feb 1793
From: Marriages of Halifax Co Va 1801-1831 Betsey Tallbotm Bartlett Chavis 11 Jul 1803 Sarah Talbot m Robert Wilson Apr 1789 Judith Tolbertm Samuel Beach 31 Aug 1813 Polly Talbott m Mack Delaney 27 Dec 1819 Susannah talbert m John Hatten 1 Jan 1802
From: Halifax Co, Va Marriage Bonds 1753-1854 Charles Talbert to Taney Coleman 26 Nov 179- Jere Talbert Sr. to Joanna Adams 24 Feb 1834 Jeremiah Talbert to Susanna Rudder 17 Apr 1802 Joel Tolberd to Drucilla Pounds 31 Dec 1823
From: Marriages of Halifax Co Va 1801-1831 22 Oct 1821- James Talbot & Lucy Standley 30 Dec 1823- Joel Tolberd & Drucilla Pounds
From: Marriage Bonds and Ministers' Returns of Halifax Co Va 1753-1800 26 Nov 1798 Charles Talbert and Faney Coleman
From: Marriages of Lunenburg Co Va 1746-1853 Talbert, David G. and Patsy Jennings. m June 1791
From: Marriages of Pittsylvania Co VA 1831-1861 19 Feb 1835. James Haden & Sally Tolbert. Sur. Solomon Tolbert
From: The Marriage bonds of Pittsylvania Co Talbert, John Nancy Irby 23 Aug 1803 Tolbert, Hiram Mary Owen 2 Nov 1844 Bondsman John Owen
From: Surry co NC Marriage Bonds and Abstracts 1780-1868 Messick, Lewis R. Mary Tulbert 31 Jan 1840 McPeeak, Henry H. Emaline sutfin 17 Oct 1858 Mathews, H.H. Mary Ann Sutfin m 23 Sep 1865 Felts, Elza Nancy Tulbert 30 May 1835 Felts, Harrison Sarah Tolbert 25 Mar 1837 Felts, Hiram Milly tulbert 21 Jun 1838 Durham, Armstead J. Hannah Sutfin 24 Oct 1858 Deatherage, James A. Ruth J. Sutphin m 6 Jan 1862 Chappel Elisha Sally Tolbert 26 Dec 1807 Cave, John Jane Talbott 1 Jun 1819 Brendle, James F. Sintha C. Tulbert 19 Jan 1867
From: Marriages of Surry Co NC 1779-1868 Sutfin, Burge & Rebecca Keeth, 7 Jun 1846 Sutfin, John & sarah Smith, 18 Sep 1859 Elijah Sutphin bm Sutphin, Asa & Vinette Goard, 25 May 1863 William Suthpin, bm Sutphin, Henderick & Elizabeth Thompson, 1 Nov 1846 Thomas bm Sutphin, John H. & Lenina Mabery, 19 Nov 1859 Sutphin, Wiley & Jane Nester, 1 May 1844 James Nester, bm Sutphin, William & Virginia s. Quisinbury, 3 Sep 1855; Elijah Sutphin bm Sutphin, William O. & Martha J. Atkins, 26 Jun 1864 Talbert, James & Mary Mathews, 18 Feb 1851 Edgington, Thomas & Polly Osburn 26 Aug 1816; James Talbert, bm. Thompson, James P. & Joyesy Harbor, 2 Dec 1851; Jeremiah tolbert, bm Johnson, Joseph & Lucyann Taylor, 20 Feb 1867; Irwin Sutfin, bm
From: Early Marriages, Wills, and some Revolutionary War Records, Botetourt Co, Va. Tolbert, John, and Elizabeth Foster, James M., Early, surety-Aug. 30, 1790
Surry Co NC Tax Lists from 1813 to 1822 Joshua, Thomas, William, Jesse, James, Henry Tolbert.
Devisee Index to Wills-Surry Co NC Devisee: Ann, Eleanor, George, Henry, John, Levi, James, Jesse, Nancy Ann Susanna, William; Devisor Joshua Tulbert
Devisee: Bolina, elizabeth, Mary Matilda, Mildred, James Wilson, Sarah; Devisor: James Tulbert.
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Hello Everyone,
Today we welcome Thomas Loftus, a cousin to all of us SW VA/WV Sutphins.
Here is his note to me...
Hello Mike,
My name is Tom Loftus, I am originally from WVA and my mother
was a Sutphin. We are from Boone county and I have a book on Sutphin's
that came from Montgomery county, Virginia. Hendrick Sutphin was born
about 1806, about 1834 he married Jane Harbour, who was born in Henry
county VA. in 1814. They had 10 children, Nancy, Abner, David E.,
Ailey, Martha, William, Archibald Taylor, John H., Benjamin W., and Emily
Sutphin. If this is part of your family I have the names of the rest of
the family to date. iI you would like a copy I could send one or they
are on file with the Boone county Genealogical society Madison, WVA. Let
me know one way or the other.
I would like to be added to your [SCOL] site and would be glad to send what
I have to you. I just got my computer and I am not very good at using it as
of now but will keep trying. If you want I can mail what I have via post
office or type it on the comp. A lot of what I have is on your site but
there is some that isn't listed. My mother, Verdie Sutphin Loftus b.
Apr. 11 1915 d. June 14 1977 m/1 Thomas Denver Loftus 1934 had nine
children , Christine Yvonne[valo] Loftus, b. June19 1935, Inez Gail [Smith]
Loftus, b. Oct. 14 1936 Hershel Lee [buddy] Loftus, b. Aug. 29 1939, Regina
Lou [Bassham] Loftus b. May 24 1942, me ,Thomas Danny Loftus b. June 11 1944,
Darrell Gene Loftus b. July 18, 1946, Brenda Sue Loftus b. May 11, 1948 d.
Feb.23, 1950, Judy Joyce Loftus b. June 1. 1954 d.June 1 1954. I will send
the rest of the info. when i get it all straight .
Sincerly,
Tom Loftus
loftus@westol.com
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Thomas, you have LOTS of cousins here on SCOL, many of whom know a GREAT
deal about the Boone Co, WV clan... especially Mary Anne Sutphin. Your
note had some names that I believe are new to me... haven't done a
thorough check as yet. At any rate, any additional info that you have
would be well received by our SCOL group. Just send it e-mail via
SCOL so all can see.
I keep hoping some of our new members will connect to the Sutfins in TN
& AR. As far back as I have gotten is to my gg grandfather, Lewis H.
Sutfin, 1808/TN. He is found in the Rutherford Co., TN census in 1830,
and in Poinsett Co. and Craighead Co., AR at later census. Also, as
early as 1810 there is a James Sutfin in Rutherford Co., TN. I don't
know the connection to James, as yet. This James is in Lawrence Co., AR
by 1825, and is last documented in that area in 1834. According to the
1830 census record he would have been born between 1770-1780. Perhaps
one of you will connect to this Sutfin family.
Becky Cripe
Yorba Linda, CA
I did not see this come through so am sending it again.
"Sutphin Cousins, Update: Descendants of Hendrick and Rachel Owen
Sutphin" is done. The computer has counted 17,202 names in the index--99
pages of index for 520 pages in the book. This is almost too big for me to
handle. The pages are divided into volume 1 and volume 2. Due to the size
I should charge $60.00, but I wouldn't have the money to buy a book that
expensive. $55.00 is the best price I can do for "SC,Update".
Because of the cost for 'SCU" I am going to offer the 1996 "Sutphin
Cousins" and "Sutphin Cousins, Addenda" again at $34.50 a set. These have
been out of print for two years. You need "SC" to understand 'SCA". These
books are about 5,000 names short of "SCU". The "Sutphin Cousins, Too:
Descendants of William and Alcey Sutphin" [cost $34.00] will have some of
those "5,000 short" due to descendants of both brothers. About 5 people
told me they wanted the Hendrick and Rachel Sutphin information, but I need
to know which set of books you want. Anyone interested in these books
please contact me, Lois Johnsten, 105 Alba Ave, Ravenna, NE 68869.
PS: Because the Sutphins of Virginia database has gotten so big, I will not
be adding to it with new information as I have been doing since I joined
SCOL. Now I have discovered I feel "withdrawal symptoms" when someone new
joins because I want to add what they send, and I can't do that. :-)))) I
will be happy to share what I have with anyone, so feel free to ask.
Your cousin, Lois Johnsten
Newcomers to SCOL: We oldtimers on SCOL believe we all descend from Dirck
and Lysbeth Von Zutphen who came to New Amsterdam in 1651; later moving to
New Jersey. SCOL descendants seem to divide into two parts--those who can
trace their ancestors directly to Dirck and Lysbeth, usually spelling the
surname Sutphen, and the Virginia branch spelling the surname Sutphin. The
Virginia branch knows we descend from the New Jersey branch due to the 1850
Virginia census for Hendrick Sutphin born in New Jersey @1768. Hendrick and
William Sutphin are assumed to be brothers as they appear together in the
records; ie: the 1800 Bedford Co,VA tax list showing Hendrick, William, and
Solomon Sutphin. We cannot trace Solomon as he appears only in that record.
Parents for Hendrick, William, and Solomon are unknown. There are several
groups of the Virginia branch who fit in somewhere, but only theories solve
that problem at this time.
Therefore if you can trace your family to the New Jersey branch, your
ancestors are well documented back to Dirck and Lysbeth. If you trace your
family to Hendrick and William in Virginia you fit somewhere in the "Sutphin
Cousins" books. The Unidentified Sutphins who hang in limbo theories do not
fit into any of the books. We wish that is not true, but Mary Anne Sutphin
has worked hard to make the connections without success.
At this time ALL the "Sutphin Cousins" books are available from me, Lois
Johnsten.
"Sutphin Cousins, Too: Descendants of William and Alcey Sutphin" costs $34
[9,876 names in index]
"Sutphin Cousins, Update: Descendants of Hendrick and Rachel Owen Sutphin"
cost $55.00
[17,202 names in index. Has duplicated intermarriage with descendants
of William]
"Sutphin Cousins" and "Sutphin Cousins, Addenda" are combined in "Sutphin
Cousins, Update".
"Sutphin Cousins" and "Sutphin Cousins, Addenda" set costs $34.00
[seperate index per book with about 11,000 names in set]
Hope this answers questions. Lois in Nebraska
Phil: Gedcom someday, but not by me. 10 years ago Mike, Mary Anne, and I
descided we would never put the "Sutphin Cousins" books in a Gedcom so that
I would be able to sell the
books, and not lose control through a Gedcom. As Mary Anne is co-author,
and did a lot of the basic research digging, I was glad to comply with that
decision. The New Jersey lineage was published in 1934, as you know, and is
in a Gedcom available to anyone. The original books have been out of print,
and Dr. Sutphen, the author, has been gone many years, so there isn't a
conflict there. Our "SC" books are the first time compiling of descendants
for Hendrick and William Sutphin. We feel we deserve the money earned
selling the books for years to come. As long as I and my husband can make
the books, they will be for sale from me. After that it doesn't matter.
Mary Anne and I have made sure the books are in appropriate libraries.
Please feel free to type the information into your database, but PLEASE
do not make a Gedcom of it for a long time as a favor to us. Thank you.
Your cousin, Lois in Nebraska
-----Original Message-----
Date: Saturday, September 02, 2000 6:26 PM
Subject: Books
>Lois,
I have been so busy since I received The Sutphin Cuz TOO ,so far they have
merged into their rightful place as I type them in. I guess you know that I
have had some suprises when I see them coming together. By the way, can you
put any of these files in a GEDCOM format? If you can it would save me a lot
of typeing. I will be 76 and the old fingers don't work like they used to.
I don't think we actually lost Soloman, he was listed as
Soloman B. Sutphin. I think this is the Barnard/Barnett Sutphin
family who appears in Northern VA. records. Not much on him, but
he is there.
> Solomon Sutphin. We cannot trace Solomon as he appears only in that record.
> Parents for Hendrick, William, and Solomon are unknown. There are several
Ina: The Dr Sutphen information to which I referred is the Van
Tassel/Honeyman information, too. I think of it as Dr Sutphen's because I
was able to borrow a copy from his widow--direct--back in the 1970's. She
was a very nice woman, and glad to share what her husband had written. Lois
in Nebraska
There were two Asa Sutphin's. One died during Civil War. I think
the one you may want is Asa Sutphin, s/o Rebecca Sutphin,
who was married to Vinetta Goad, d/o Hiram and Rebecca Sutphin Goad.
The family was in Carroll and moved west.
Mary Anne
The family is in "Sutphin Cousins" and "Sutphin Cousins Too."
Vinetta descends from Hendrick Sutphin, Asa from William Sutphin
family. :-)
Mary Anne
The Asa Sutphin that married Vinetta Goad moved to Boone Co. Indiana
according to my notes. I have some of their descendants in my data since
they are related to me through the Goad's.
Joan, Susan, etal:
I tried sending out a copy of the Honeyman/Van Tassel gedcom which contains
information on the early NJ Sutphen's. Alas, SCOL refuses to allow it - too
many lines.
If anyone wants a copy please email me directly (not via SCOL) at
"mailto:gffry@optonline.net" and I will email the gedcom to you.
Dirck Jansen van Zutphen b abt 1645 was from Tongerle, Limburg according to
the information that I have.
Except there is only Tongerlos, and two of them in Limburg, The Netherlands.
1. Tongerlo gemeente Maasbree in Limburg, the Netherlands
2. Tongerlo gemeente Sevenum in Limburg, The Netherlands.
And there is always the possibility that the south part of the province which
now lies in Belgium has a Tongerlo.
Can Anybody help me on this one?
Carl,
I don't believe that this has been established. I have seen a similar
assertion regarding the ancestry of Dirck's wife, but here is the problem:
The name Dirck Jansen Van Zutphen was a name taken in America, and meant
nothing more than, "Dirck, son of Jan, from Zutphen." Once you get to The
Netherlands, the town of Zutphen, or the old county (province) Zutphen, all
you have is "Dirck, son of Jan."
If there is documentation for the past history of Dirck or Jan, then that's
different, and would be worth looking into.
- Steve
I have many years of experience doing Dutch geneaology and the headaches of
doing recods using the patrilinear records..
The van Zutphen family name should be solid as long as they are in Limburg.
If I get the right record, I expect to find Dirck son of Jan Dirckse van
Zutphen. Especially if it is true that Jan was an Army Officer in this
Tongerlo, I am sure that the local Church records will have baptism records.
Now we may not find a wife in the birth records, But the marriage and/or
death records may give the wife's name.
I have less hope for the hero, Dirck van Zutphen. Especially if he was lifted
from the commoners to minor nobility as a result of his heroism. Yes, there
could be a Dirck Dirckse Dirckse.
Anyhow, I am going to order films of the records at Tengerle (Tengerlo) in
Dutch Limburg and see if we can find Jan Dirkse van Zutphen, his wife, and
his family.
My wife (a native of Dodewaard, Gelderland, The Netherlands) and I (I am not
above asking for lots of help from her) can read Dutch and I do just fine
with my Latin. Some of the records are a mixture of languages.
By the way, the Dutch Army Officers were mostly nobility (promotions from the
ranks were possible, but normally remained at lower levels). So Jan, Dirck
Jansen van Zutphen's father may have been nobility. Records for the nobility
seem to be preserved much better than those of commoners. By the way, It is
just an observation, the nobility were among the first to convert to a family
name. We are speaking of the 1500's and the commoners were still changing to
family names in the 1700's. Remember, a herititary knight was nobility and
could be extremely impoverished and be very happy to accept a commission in
the services.
Still, I wonder if there is a Tongerle in that part of the province of
Limburg that was lost to Belgium. If there are, then the records may still
exist.
There is a problem that the US Army Air Force burned a great deal of the old
Dutch records when they bombed the Dutch Archives in Arnheim.
I will give it a shot and share what I find.
Please change my e mail from "mailto:dsutphen@wans.net" to "mailto:dsutphen@juno.com".
Thank You
Daryl Sutphen of St louis
Is that Cornelius as in Cornelius Cornelisson of Salem Co., NJ?
Amongst your NJ Sutphen information, what do you have concerning Vanderveer's and/or a Catherine Sutphen that would have been born around 1670?
Thanks,
Jerry D. Vandiver
I have only one VanDerVeer listed and that is Henry b? d? where?
m. Eleanor Sutphen b. 6/9/1773 in Bedminster Twp., Somerset NJ.
d 10/20/1821 ?
I have several Catherine Sutphen's listed however none born in or abt 1670.
Do you know parents?????
I believe that at one time it had been suggested that Dirck had been born at
a military outpost used by the Dutch to fend off the Spanish, and that his
Father & Grandfather both served in the Dutch Military. Now could that have
been any more confusing :))))). Just thought I would add to the dilemma.
Cousin Randy Sutphin
In the Midst of the Beautiful Shenandoah Valley
I`ve always wondered how Dirck appeared in New Amsterdam ca 1651 at the
tender age 6, without any other family. I Therefore always subscribed to
the theory that Steve Deal just put forward that The name Dirck Jansen Van
Zutphen was a name taken in America, and meant
nothing more than, "Dirck, son of Jan, from Zutphen."
Geoff Sutfin (LI, NY)
Some thoughts comes to mind concerning boys of 6 years of age coming to
America without father and mother. As a boy I was surprised to find out that
when my grandmother died my mother and her brothers were taken in by those
relatives that had farms. This was not because they were loved, but for the
work they could do before they grew up. Maybe that's not completely fair,
but....
The other thought is that if dad died and mom remarried. We do not have mom's
name at all.
Another thought. Only child and dad and mom both came.
In all cases the Dutch Reformed Church keeps good records. Someone must have
read the records of the neighborhood Churches that he lived in. Was that done?
The records kept by the DRC are something like 90% of what we now know about
the early Van Zutphen and Sutphen families in NY and New Jersey. The main
reason for this is that all, or almost all of the government records in New
Jersey were destroyed during the Revolutionary War.
I realized, after the fact, that I should not have said that the Van Zutphen
name was one given in America, as that's not the whole picture. Actually,
taking the name of a town or other geographical location was a Dutch practice
that was prevalent in Holland in 1650 and before. Our Dirck is recorded as
being from Zutphen, in the province Gelderland - which had once also been
called Zutphen.
Tracing back to The Netherlands (then Holland) we know that Dirck was a boy
who lived in Zutphen (evidently the town, as the province was Gelderland by
then). His father was Jan, who MAY have been from Zutphen, and, if so, his
name in Holland was "Jan Van Zutphen." If he was from somewhere else, then we
don't have a name.
The situation was similar with Lysbet, called "Lysbet Van Rheenen." There was
a village in Holland called "Rhenen."
(Lysbet was later adopted by Aucke Van Nuyse, and her name was recorded as,
"Elizabeth Van Nuys.")
Our cousin Joan says that we should always use her Van Rheenen name, and if
you have a genealogy program that asks for one name, I think it should be Van
Rheenen. I also think it should have a note that gives her Van Nuys name,
since it shows up in the legal record of her marriage to Dirck Jansen Van
Zutphen.
- Steve
I am racking my brain here, because I cannot find any
documentation to a reference on a Baroness van Zutphen
who comes into the US/New Amsterdam about the same time
as Dirck J. van Zutphen.
Anyone near enough to a library to check immigration lists?
I am sure others have seen the same reference.
Mary Anne
Mary Ann
In the 1687 Oath of Allegiance Dirck Janse Van Sutphen was listed with 36
years in the country. Also Jan Barense Van Zutphen was listed (30 years).
Thats as close to Baroness van Zutphen
as I come in my database.
Geoff
I want to clarify my previous comment about the wife of Dirck Van Zutphen,
Lysbet Van Rheenen, aka Elizabeth Van Nuys.
My comments apply to her particular case, and were not intended as a
principle to be applied to other situations, or to the general category of
cases that have two names. In the case of Lysbet, her mother was widowed and
re-married; two family names were relevant, Van Rheenen, and Van Nuys.
I do not like genealogy programs that force one to choose between two
important names, for example, a biological name and an adopted name. There
needs to be a way to use one name, and note the other.
Each situation is an individual one, and I'm not advocating a general rule
that applies to biology or to the family that raised someone.
If I may offer one idea that is true much more often than not, it is this: it
will usually be very useful to everyone who studies, and reads, and thinks,
to apply a very specific interpretation to each idea that is being conveyed.
Generalities are vague, and they defy definition.
Best regards,
Steve
Thanks Geoff. This may be what I am thinking of. I will go
to the library next week and check passenger lists.
Have any idea who Jan Barense van Zutphin was??
Mary Anne
No; I have no information on Jan Barense van Zutphin. Also, I don`t
remember him ever being discussed on SCOL . Does anybody on SCOL have info
on Jan Barense?
Also, does anyone have info on Dirck's immigration to New Amsterdam ? Name
of the ship, who accompanied by, etc?
Looking at the Honeyman gedcom it states that Dirck arrived in New Amsterdam
ca 1676, while the 1687 Oath of Allegiance states he was in the country 36
years which makes his arrival date ca 1651. 1651 is also date cited in the
book "Early Settlers of Kings County" by Tuenis Bergen. I wonder where the
1676 date came from?
Geoff Sutfin
Steve, I just have to say this, If we Sutphin researchers applied
a very specific interpretation to our Sutphin research, we
would never build any family but Hendrick Sutphin. At least his
children are named in the settlement of his property.
The many other Sutphin families I have worked years trying to
sort out. There is no specific interpretation of records that
are not there. When I speak in generalities, most of the Sutphin
researchers are able to define what I am speaking of. We have
all been there, done that. Vague ideas are what we have shared
with other researchers for many years. Study, read, think,
I have studied this family, read every available record and spent
many late hours thinking about it. Before the age of computers I
relied on notebooks, many the times something has "clicked" in
the wee hours of the morning and I am up and working on a family.
I still bring out the notebooks. This is where the personal information
is that makes these people family, not just names and dates on an
FTM program.
My research is a hobby that I have lots of fun with and meet and
have met some of the most delightful people ever. Including the
SCOL Cousins.
Regards,
Mary Anne
Folks, I just have to share this note with you. It has not been
long ago we were discussing Wiley and Jane Nester Sutphin.
At the bottom of the note, David states he is gr gr gr grandson
of William and Caty Gearheat Allen. Me TOO!!!!!!!!!!!
I asked David if he would like to share the pictures with the
SCOL Photo Gallery. I also told him it was not my site but Mike's,
sorry Mike, I should have used a more imaginative user id.
This is very exciting for me. I am familiar with some of David's
research, but did not know he was related to the Sutphins.
Regards,
Mary Anne
I checked another file that I have--I previously looked on the
Honeyman file, where I found nothing (one of may Senior Moments I
experience)---this second file has Voorhees information on it and thought
what the heck, so I looked.
Low and behold-----and keep in mind I have nothing to verify any of
this information--if fact this file is put together from e-mail info that I
kept from other lists or was supplied by various researchers and all of it
is just secondhand info which really needs verification.
Catryntje VanDerVeer (no dates available)
m. Isaac VanNuys (no dates)
child:
Magdalena VanNuys (no dates)
m. Cornelius VanVoorhees
Cornelius is/was the son of Albert Lucasse VanVoorhees and
Catryntie Cornell.
I saved this info cause at the time I was seeing relationships from
Sutfin to Voorhees and we do in fact have a couple. You might find more
info from the VanVoorhees Association and they have a website. Also a new
book that was just released this summer with lots of Sut information in it.
I checked through my old e-mails for the URL's and other iformation but it
appears I have deleted it. I would guess that a search engine might find
the URL for you, In fact its possible that the above info came from Glee,
she provided me with a bunch of information when I was looking at the
Elizabeth Voorhees problem.
Wish I could have been more help, but I'll keep my eyes open and
maybe we can find more. Keep me informed on how it goes, please. I love
the search.
Ina S.
Mary Anne,
We are talking about entirely different things.
Regarding your research, and the information you share, I can only say,
"THANK YOU."
Best regards,
Steve
It Comes Back.
Jan Barendse was the name of another Sutphin who in the book which recorded
allegence to the British Crown, was listed as being in the colony some 30
years.
Does anyone else remember this or am I having one of those senior moments?
From: Mary Beth Sutphin
Subject: Oath of Allegiance 1687
In this same list of oaths:
(per 1896 Yearbook of Holland Society of New York, pg 159):
Dircke Janse Van Sutphen 36 years is listed under "-of New Uijtrecht" but
Jan Barense Van Zutphen 30 years is listed under "-Had letters of Denisatie".
What does Denisatie mean?
MBS
I'm re-posting this, which was from Mary Beth Sutphin in 1996. - Steve
This was from Laurel Vedder:
off gravens End
Jan barense Van Zutphen 30 Jeare"
Taken from the "Lists of Inhabitants of Colonial New York" by
Edmund Bailey O'Callaghan, Baltimore, Genealogical Publishing Co., INC
1979.
- Steve
>From Mike Sutphin:
I do have a record of two other van Zutphens who immigrated. Here is a note
I posted to SCOL back in 1995.
-------------------
I have seen various dates in reference books as to when Derick arrived,
including the 1651 date. In "Immigrants to the Middle Colonies" by Michael
Tepper he is listed as arriving in 1651; also in a ship passenger list
compiled by the NY Genealogical Society he is listed as arriving that year,
along with a Jan Barense Zutphen who arrived in 1657.
Also, in "Early
Immigrants to New Nethelands" there is a Jan Barense van Zutphen listed.
According to "The Roll of Those Who Have Taken Allegiance" Jan Barense
took the oath in New York in 1687.
Does anyone have any record of the above mentioned Jan Barense who supposedly
arrived in 1657?
Steve, You asked, "What does Denisatie mean?" It must be the Dutch form
of the Eglish word, "denization". You'll probably find the word in a good
dictionary. I consulted the 5th edition of "Black's Law Dictionary" where
the definition is long, but the nub of it is "In English law, a person
who, being an alien born, has obtained letters patent to make him an
English subject." Having gone through the process of "denization", one
then becomes a "denizen" or citizen of the adopted country. Technically,
one who had been "denizized" would already have plesged allegience to the
adopted sovereign and the taking of an additional oath of allegience would
be simply pro forma. Dorothy
On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Steve Deal wrote:
Jan Barentse Van Driest or Van Zutphen (M) - Pedigree | Ind. View |E-mail=20
Submitter/Download File=20
=A0 Birth: WFT Est. 1630-1659 --=20
=A0 Death:
BEF. 5 OCT 1697 --=20
=A0 Spouse: , Jannetje Willemse Jansen Van Barkeloo
=A0 Parents: Barent Van Driest,=20
Also can be partially found in familysearch.org
Ancestry World Tree Viewer Pedigree For: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0(Unkn=
own) =A0 =A0 =20
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=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
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n Zutphen=A0 =A0 =A0 =20
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=A0Spouse & Children* =A0Siblings* =A0Symbol Key
Jannetje Willemse Jansen Van Barkeloo
=A0-=A0Jan Johnson
=A0-=A0William Johnson
=A0-=A0Elias Hubbard Johnson
=A0-=A0Barentse "Jansen" Van Driest
=A0-=A0Cornelia Johnson
=A0-=A0Margrieta Johnson
Dorothy,
This makes sense, and it appears to fit the situation outlined by Mary Beth,
i.e., he had a Letter of Denisatie, rather than having been on the list of
those who took the oath of allegiance.
Thanks!
Steve
Carl,
You are not having a Senior Moment. I have a copy of the "Documentary History
of the STATE OF NEW - YORK" by E. B. O'Callaghan, 1849. It states in "off
flackland" "Jan barense Van Zutphen 30 Jeare"
I don't know if I spelled flackland right, it might be two ffs.
Bev
SUTPHIN, Carol Jean Fryer, 55, of Blacksburg, died Saturday, September 9,
> 2000 at Montgomery Regional Hospital. She is survived by her husband, John
> B. Sutphin of Blacksburg; one daughter, Courtney Carol Sutphin of Salem; one
> brother, Arthur E. Fryer of Whiting, N.J.; and many nieces, nephews,
> cousins, and friends. Friends may call anytime after 9 a.m. Monday,
> September 11, 2000 at Horne Funeral Home in Christiansburg where the family
> will receive friends from 6 to 8 p.m. Monday evening. Funeral service will
> be held 11 a.m. Tuesday, September 12, 2000 at St. Mary's Catholic Church in
> Blacksburg with Father Jim Arsenault and Dr. Charles Taylor officiating.
> Burial will follow in Westview Cemetery in Blacksburg. Those wishing to make
> contributions the family requests you to consider American Cancer Society or
> St. Jude's. Arrangements are being handled by Horne Funeral Service in
> Christiansburg.
Hello, list,
I'm going to jump into this discussion as I have a
line of descent from Isaac VanNuys(the first). Most
of my information on him comes from a VanNuys
genealogy book by Carrie E. Allen which I've been able
to access on the Familytree Library site. What I have
on him is: b.Oct. 21, 1695, d.Jul. 4, 1763, m. Catrina
???.
From the Allen book, "He settled at Millstone, N.
J., about 1727. We do not know the surname of his
wife, but know it was Catrina from the baptismal
record of their son Cornelius, which reads in the list
of baptisms at Millstone: 'July 13, 1735, Cornelius,
son of Isak Van Nuys and wife Catrina.' It is curious
to note that previous to the Revolutionary War these
entries were all made in Dutch." His son Isaac
married Flora or Vroutie Quick and they moved to
Harrodsburg, KY about 1791, according to the Allen
book.
Hope this helps you all.
Susan Case
Dear Sutphen Cousins
My nephew Joseph Ryan Reed married Teri Rochelle Vaughn on Saturday
September 16, 2000 at 2 o'clock Eastern Time in the Christian Missionary
Church in Marengo, Indiana. Joseph is the Grandson of Alice Cooper and he
is the 9th Great Grandson of Dirck Jansen Van Sutphen. Teri brings with her
two new members to family too. Destiny Vaughn who will become a Reed here
in October and Jordan Vaughn. We are very happy to have these new additions
to our family.
Michelle Crocker
Thank you Al. The J. Highly Sutphin family was one of
the finest families I have had the pleasure of meeting.
Our condolences to the family and the cousins who are SCOL.
Mary Anne
This is a note I received after a posting to Clark Co. Ohio
looking for my Powell relatives.
Anyone have a Lewis and Oleeta Bell Sutfin?? I think West
Liberty is near Marysville, Ohio. At least closest town I
can think of.
Regards,
Mary Anne
>From the September 18, 2000, Roanoke (Va.) Times....
SUTPHIN, Joseph Clarence, (Jack), 79, of Roanoke, formerly of Pulaski, died
Sunday, September 17, 2000 at Lewis-Gale Medical Center. He was born November
8, 1920, a son of the late James Highley and Shippie Walke Sutphin. He was a
member and Deacon Emeritus of Melrose Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
and a veteran of World War II. He retired from Walker Machine & Foundry
Company, where he was employed as a machinist. Surviving are his wife, Emily
Gerberich Sutphin; two sisters, Thada S. Quesenberry of Charlottesville and
Dorothy S. Gertis of Beaufort, S. C.; also nieces and nephews. He was
preceded in death by an infant daughter, Laura Ann Sutphin, four brothers and
three sisters. Funeral services will be held Tuesday, September 19, 2000 at
11 a.m. from the Lotz Salem Chapel, with interment in the Huddle Family
Cemetery near Draper, Va. Graveside services will be 2 p.m. In lieu of
flowers, memorial gifts may be made to a favorite charity. The family will
receive friends from 7 to 9 p.m. Monday at Lotz Salem Chapel.
All new
David sent me the promised pictures of the Wiley and Jane Nester
Sutphin family. Two of William Sutphin, s/o Jane and Wiley, a picture of
Franklin Nester and Sarah Back, Lucy Ann Sutphin and John WEsley
Back, three are unknown, they had belonged` to Lucy Ann Sutphin Back.
They are Goads, Nesters or Sutphins. Could one be Wiley???
A picture of Benjamin Wages
and Jane Nester Sutphin Wages, what a beauty Jane must have been.
Several others. THey are photocopy, but are pretty good quality.
David said fine to post to the SCOL Photo Gallery.
MIKE, drop me a note as to when it will be convenient to send.
JODY, who do they look like to you? The unknown with little girl,
has a Sutphin look.
Regards all,
Mary Anne
>They are Goads, Nesters or Sutphins. Could one be Wiley???
Can't wait to see them!
I just got some old pictures of Nester & Goad kin and am starting to scan
them. Don't know who they all are yet.
Good. We can compare likenesses. (is there such a word?)
Possibly you can identify the ones we have not identified.
I look forward to visiting you site again.
Mary Anne
Hello Everyone,
I've had several queries about the SCOL archives lately. St. John's is
having a serious server problem. All the listowners are complaining about
it. Seems it is difficult, and in most cases, impossible for users to
connect to the various list archieves. They are working on the problem. Once
it is fixed, I will post the correct web address for the archives... For now
though, our archieves are not accessible.
Joycee Harbour is My GGgrandmother married James Thompson would like to know if you have anymore info on her.Her son Robert and Dau Sarah Jane are buried in Boone County Wv Robert is my Great Grandfather. Yvonne Bell Booz Hi SCOLers,
Here's a genuine SW Virginia question, re: Salita, Rebecca, and Dorsey
Sutphin.
1) Who were Dorsey Sutphin's parents?
2) Who were the parents of Salita Ann Elvira Francis Sutphin, aka Salathia
Ann Elvira Frances Sutphin?
Here's the background, as I understand it:
Salathia Ann Elvira Frances SUTPHIN b.13 Oct 1859, Carroll Co., VA
d. 14 or 4 Jun 1919 Carroll Co., VA. bur. Tate Goad cem.
she m. 14 Mar 1876, in Carroll Co., VA to Orlando GOAD, b. 1848, d. 1917.
(per Jody Goad)
Their child vii was Tate GOAD, b. 1886, d. 1978, Carroll Co., VA.
He m. 1910 Mary Elizabeth TURMAN b. 1882, d. 1962, married, born, died,
Carroll Co., VA. Mary 2m David Walter MABRY.
One of their daughters, Eula GOAD, m. Dorsey Howard SUTPHIN.
(Info for Tate Goad and family from Sharon Minton Hill.)
Their child, Noah, "Noey," SUTPHIN. Family lived in Wythe Co., VA.
Now, back to Dorsey's grandfather, Tate Goad's father, Orlando GOAD. His
father was
Hiram GOAD, b. 16 Jan 1822, Grayson Co., VA, d. 17 May 1864 Resaca, GA.
Hiram GOAD m. 16 Feb 1864, in Carroll Co., VA to
Rebecca Ann SUTPHIN, b. 7 Mar 1824, Grayson Co., VA, d. 20 Mar 1870 Carroll
Co.
Their child ii was Orlando GOAD. (According to Jody Goad)
Rebecca Ann SUTPHIN was d/o John SUTPHIN b. 1790, Bedford Co., VA, d. 1875,
Carroll Co., VA;
m. 1812 Celia HYLTON b. 1794, Montgomery Co., VA, d. 1876, Carroll Co., VA;
d/o Henry HELTON and Elizabeth HILTON, m. Montgomery Co., VA in 1792.
John SUTPHIN was s/o Hendrick SUTPHIN b. 1768, "New Jersey," & Rachel OWEN.
(Rebecca Ann's parents named by Cherie Clark; their info from my notes.)
Let's go back to Tate GOAD, because he lived in the home place of Hendrick
Sutphin, aka Tate Goad Farm. We can see Tate's line, back through Orlando
GOAD, Rebecca Ann SUTPHIN, John SUTPHIN, to Hendrick SUTPHIN b. 1768, NJ.
What do you know about Dorsey SUTPHIN, and Salathia/Salita SUTPHIN?
Names, dates, anecdotes, etc. are all welcome!
Steve Deal
Steve, you have two Dorsey Sutphins here. Dorsey Howard Sutphin,
always called Howard is married to Eula Goad, d/o Tate and "Lizzie"
Turman Goad. Lizzie was also Tate's only marriage, Lizzie had been
married previously to David Walter Mabry, one son Troy Mabry.
Orlando Goad would have been Eula Goad Sutphin's grandfather, not
Dorsey HOWARD's. I think that was a typo.
Dorsey HOWARD Sutphin's parents were Vernie Sutphin and Mary INDIA
Newman. Vernie Sutphin's mother was Alice Sutphin, d/o Milton Vanard
"VAN" Sutphin and his cousin Florina Sutphin, d/o Jordon and Mary
"Polly" Bolt Sutphin, Jordon s/o John and Celia Hylton Sutphin.
Salita Ann "Sis" Sutphin Goad, d/o Hendrick and Lizena Kemp Sutphin,
this Hendrick, s/o William "Tyler Bill" Sutphin and Nancy Mabry.
Dorsey Lee Sutphin, s/o Legrande and Arizona Emmezetta Kathleen
Elizabeth Sutphin Sutphin. "Aunt Zone." Dorsey's family did live Wythe
County. Dorsey Lee Sutphin had a brother Noah also.
I have little on the Dorsey Sutphin family, but do show a son Noah.
We should have cousins from Legrand and Arizona Family on SCOL who
can probably give us more information.
Regards,
Mary Anne
Thanks, Mary Anne! I thought it was complicated - so, a Dorsey Howard
Sutphin, and a Dorsey Lee Sutphin. That helps a lot, and your other
information helps as well.
I'll try to keep it sorted out, and pass it along. I would love to have more
information from anyone who has it.
Thanks again,
Steve
Hi, List,
I'm never sure how many out there are researching NJ
Sutphens, but I am one. I'd first like to that Steve,
Geoff and everyone else who responded to my request
for information on Honeyman's GENCOM a couple of
weeks. It was a great help, and added to some
confusion which I'm trying to straighten out.
While researching my NJ Bennets over the weekend I
came across some Sut** marriages at the Freehold-
Middletown Dutch Church in the Genealogy Magazine of
New Jersey. I've typed the names pretty much as they
appeared. The two dates represent when the banns were
published and when the marriage took place.
Johannes Philipze y.m., b. and living Raretans and
Agneitje Sutveen y.d., both b. and living here, Sept.
17; Oct. 13, 1737
Jan Zutveen y.m., b. and living Freholt, and
Pieternella Stout, y.d., b. Middeltouwn, living
Freholt, Oct. 4; Oct. 30, 1740
Jacob Sutveen, y.m., b. and living Freholt and Marie
Schenk, y.d., b. and living Freholt, Oct. 24; Nov. 12,
1741
Aart Zutveen, y.m., b. and living Freholt and Jannetje
van Matre, y.d., b. and living Middeltouwn, Oct. 9;
Nov. 12, 1742
Derk Zutveen, y.m., and Maria Langstraat, y.d., both
b. and living Freholt, Nov. 14; Dec. 15, 1742
Derk Zutveen, y.m., b. and living Freholt and Neeltje
Schenk, y.d., b. and living Freholt, Jan. 29; Feb. 18,
1743
Matthew Laan, y.m., b. and living Middeltouwn and
Elizabeth Zutveen, y.d., b. and living Freholt, Oct.
22; Nov. 18, 1743
Gerrit Laan, y.m., b. Middeltouwn, living Somerseth
and Mayke Zutveen, y.d., b. and living Freholt, May
12; May 31, 1744
Derk Zutveen, y.m., b. and living Freholt and Jannetje
Voorhees, y.d., b. Freholt, living Raretan, Oct. 19,
Nov. 21, 1744
Aart Zutveen, y.m., and Maria Schenck, y.d., both b.
and living Freeholt, Oct. 19; Nov. 23, 1744
Jan Zutveen, y.m., b. and living Freholt and Neeltje
van Pelt, y.d., b. Long Island, living Raretan, Oct.
19; Nov. 22, 1744
Arie Zutveen, y.m., and Antje Janzen, y.d., b. and
living Freholt, Nov, 2; Nov. 29, 1744
Hope this helps someone.
Susan Case
I am also researching New Jersey Sutphins:
Looking for information of Reuben Sutphin, Wife Edith, Children; Emma =
(?Married Thomas Mason?), catherine, Sarah, George, and most of all =
Theodore Sutphin. Need parents of Reuben, Also Maiden name of Edith.
I am also looking for information in Brooklyn New York for same =
Sutphins.
Thank You
Wyona Moon in Alabama
It seems the problem with the SCOL archieves persists for many of us. Some
of our members can access the site with no problem while others (myself
inculded) can not access the site at all. St. John's is still looking at the
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I have not been on-line very much of late... my Mom fell and broke her hip.
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Mike
Carl--
I believe the marriages came from Vol. 31. The church
records start in Vol. 22.
Slad I could be of help. I have a lot more baptismal
records, but little time to type it all out.
Sue Case
Hi, Cousins,
I sent this to an individual, then thought it might be of interest to someone
on the list as well. In perusing some of my material, I noticed the
following burials.
Rushville sits on the County Line of Yates and Ontario. These cemeteries are
actually located on the Ontario Co. side.
Rushville Cemetery, Town of Gorham, Rushville, NY:
Loid E. Sutphen, b. 1833 - d. 19 May 1911
Mary A. Sackett Sutphen, b. 1837 - d. 7 A pr 1902, w/o Loid
Baldwin's Corners Cemetery, Town of Gorham, Rushville, NY:
Derrick Sutfin, d. 4 Dec 1831, 73y 9m 19d
George D. Sutfin, d. 9 Dec 1831, 2?y 2m 2d, s/o Derrick and Mary Sutfin
This Derrick would have been b. ca. 1758, which would possibly make
him s/o Jan/John, b. 1721, s/o Dirck, b. 1680, s/o Dirck, b. 1645. Yes??
A separate lot:
Eliza Ann (Wilson), d. 1838, "in her 18th year", d/o James and Hannah WILSON.
James WILSON. 12 Sep 1837, 49y
Isabel (Sutfin), d. 4 Nov 1843, 4y 2m 14d, d/o John and Elvira Sutfin
Madison R. (Stearns), d. 27 Aug 1835, 17y, s/o Royal and Analine STEARNS.
Royal STEARNS d. 27 Nov 1827, 51y 4m
I'm thinking there must be some kind of family connection here for Isabel.
Lyn
>Baldwin's Corners Cemetery, Town of Gorham, Rushville, NY:
>
>Derrick Sutfin, d. 4 Dec 1831, 73y 9m 19d
>
>George D. Sutfin, d. 9 Dec 1831, 2?y 2m 2d, s/o Derrick and Mary Sutfin
>
> This Derrick would have been b. ca. 1758, which would possibly make
>him s/o Jan/John, b. 1721, s/o Dirck, b. 1680, s/o Dirck, b. 1645. Yes??
>
********
As best I can tell he is one and the same. So great. Ina
Hi, Ina,
Thanks for letting me know about Derrick. While looking for my Ida (Sutphen)
VanZandt, I've wondered so long about these Yates Co. Suts. Now that I have
some clues about her parentage, I'm finally beginning to put some of these
folks together.
Lyn
> Royal STEARNS d. 27 Nov 1827, 51y 4m
>
> I'm thinking there must be some kind of family connection here for Isabel.
> Lyn
In my records I have Isabel's mother as Elvira Stearns Sutfin (wife a John
Sutfin). Elivira is a daughter of Royal and Analine Stearns and therefore
Isabel is the Granddaughter of Royal Sterns.
Geoff Sutfin
Thanks, Geoff. I appreciate the info. I figured that was the situation,
that a Wilson or Stearns daughter had married a Sutfin. It's all coming
together.
Thanks again,
Lyn
Hi, Cousins,
Someone asked about the Van Tassel book the other day. A summary of
early Sutphens from this book, with some refinements by the posting
researcher, is on-line at
"http://home.earthlink.net/~rapettit/vts/index.html"
Lyn
Now wasn't the Jan Barense van Zutphen of early New York (the one with the
naturalization papers),a compatriot of the Dirck van Zutphen, have a van
Tassel father and one of his children went by van Tassel while the rest
became Johnson's?
Can anyone answer this???? The older Scolers will remember
in our branch of the family it has been said we are not really
Sutphins, but Johnsons.
However, the way the story has been told for many years, one of the
brothers was a tax collector/killed a man, and had to leave the
town he was living in and took the town/street name. I always felt
this had been handed down with the vague memory of Johnson =
Son of John/Jan.
In a recently published book on a Floyd Co. school, the writer
states," The Tyson Sutphin family does not believe that Hendrick
Sutphin (1768-1857) was descended from a Dutch couple who arrived
in New Amsterdam in 1651."
DeWitte Tyson Sutphin, born Feb. 1900, said the Sutphin family was
originally Johnson.' (He is same one who told me this story) "and the
family is Scotch-Irish."
"This information came from Tyson's step-grandmother, Caroline Marshall
Sutphin Sutphin. The information came from her father-in-law,
John Wesley Sutphin, born 1811."
"The story goes, that Johnson who changed his name collected taxes
for the crown. In performing his duties as a tax collector, he had a
fight
with a tax payer. Thinking he was in serious trouble. he came to New
Jersey, settled on Sutphin Street and assumed the Sutphin name."
"If it were true that Hendrick Sutphin, born 1768, was descended from
a Dutch couple who were in NY in 1651, it seems there should be some
documentation on the family in the eighty-three intervening years."
Any comments? Remember this is all quoted.
I am more apt to believe Roxina Alderman who remembered Hendrick
Sutphin as a Dutchman who still spoke with an accent.
Mary Anne
Susan,
Reuben was born about 1819, Not sure about Edith,
Theodore was born about 1848/9. They are list on Middlesex, New Jersey 1850
Census. Reuben is list as carpenter, On 1870 Brooklyn Ny Census a Reuben
Sutphin a carpenter is list and believe it to be same Reuben. I have not
been able to check this census or find them on any other. There is another
Reuben Sutphin who was an MD in Same areas and born about same years or
close I believe he also has a Theodore but not same.
Wyona
Hi NJ Researchers,
I have a long list of Sut names from "Index to the Genealogical Magazine of
New Jersey, Vol II," by Kenn Stryker-Rodda.
These names are the early Suts in New Jersey.
For example:
Idah 18:40b 60p 85p; 19:13b, p 35p; 20:87p 89p; 21:63bm
Reuben 28:33p
Reuben Morris 30:36b
And the similarly for other names. You might have to check how to access the
actual volumes; perhaps through the Monmouth County Library in NJ.
If you want to ask me about a particular name, I can tell you what the index
says.
- Steve
Steve,
I would love to know what the index says about Reuben
Sutphin, Also Reuben Morris Sutphin as I believe they might be closely
related.
Thanks
Wyona Moon in Alabama
The resaerchers at the Monmouth Archives are most
happy to help with your research. You can e-mail Mary
Ann Kiernan at "mailto:mkiernan@shore.co.monmouth.nj.us".
Mary Ann is a research assistant at the Monmouth Co.
Archives.
I have found Mary Ann to be most helpful in the past
and photo copy charges are very reasonable. Your
request will be met in a timely manner.
Sharon Murray
In a message dated 10/10/00 11:32:46 PM, "mailto:deae@LCC.NET" writes:
>Re the report on Jacobus & Eliz VV Sutphen, could you please post to the
>list?
>
>Thank you,
>Diane Ethridge
>Conroe, TX
OK - some have read this before.
Geoff Sutfin wrote that there were TWO "James Sutphens," uncle and nephew,
and each married one "Elizabeth VOORHEES." The early researchers thought that
Jacobus/James (the elder of the two) had married both, one after the other.
I wrote to Geoff:
Your Voorhees source describes the two Elizabeths as "first cousins, once
removed." That is, one was the daughter of a first cousin; they were from two
different generations. This supports your idea.
Looking at the family of 1693 Guisbert SUTPHEN, we see Neeltje SUTPHEN
(1730 - ) m. Ouke VOORHEES.
Jacobus/James (ca 1735-1811) was Neeltje's brother, so her daughter,
Elizabeth VOORHEES (1761-1826) was Jacobus' niece.
Aert SUTPHEN was also Neeltje's brother, so his son, James, was the first
cousin of Elizabeth VOORHEES (1761-1826).
It is far more likely that she married her cousin.
Now, let's combine our sources regarding Jacobus/James and family:
Jacobus SUTPHEN (1735 - 1811) m. before 9 Sep 1757 Lesebet VAN VOORHEES
Lesebet b. 10 Oct. 1738
Lesebet d/o Albert Janse VAN VOORHEES & Ariatje Vandervoort
(Albert's brother was the younger Elizabeth's grandfather.)
Children of Jacobus and Lesebet:
*Charity/Geertje (1757-1831) m. ca 1774 Frederick DURYEE
Adrianne (1759-1760)
Jannetje/Jane (1760- ) 1m Francis WALDRON, 2m Isaac LOW#1
*Elizabeth (1761- ) m. Jacob SKILLMAN (her mother at bap, "Nelly")
Adrienne (1762-1763)
*Gilbert (1764- ) m. Jane HOLLINGSHEAD
Maria (1766-
*Adah/Adrianne (1769- ) m. VAN DUYN
*Phebe/Fanny (1773- ) m. Isaac LEE
*Albert (1775 - ) m. Rachel
*Eleanor/Nelly (1779- ) "mother at bap Maria" - prob. an error
*James (1781- ) mother at bap "Elizabeth" (his 3 children in will)
*John (1784 - ) mother at bap "Elizabeth"
*William (1789- ) mother at bap "Sarah"
*Mary Tilton (military records list a daughter Mary, per Elizabeth Vogt)
*Avi Whitlock
* Sarah, named as widow
*Named in 1811 will of Jacobus/James Sutphen
The names of the first 14 offspring listed above are shown, sometimes with an
alternate name, by A.V. D. Honeyman, Van Tassel Sutphen, editors, "The
Sutphen Family," (NY, 1926). Computer version (GEDCOM) by Jim Ball provides
citations of baptismal records.
#1 m. according to Conover database; Jane not in the will.
In 1761, Lesebet/Elizabeth seems to have the nickname, "Nelly."
The name given in some earlier references to 1735 James' wife was simply
"Elizabeth," and there was a general trend to drop Dutch names, and use an
equivalent
Anglo-American name. The name "Lesebet VAN VOORHEES," would thus become
"Elizabeth VOORHEES." Our sources give her date of death as "before 1778." An
unusual notation, to say the least. The early researchers saw a marriage of
"James SUTPHEN and Elizabeth VOORHEES in 1778," and concluded that his wife,
"Elizabeth," had died! If they also saw the subsequent births of children
(James & John) to Elizabeth, that was "explained" by the assumption that his
second wife was Elizabeth VOORHEES, the one we now identify as his niece!
We can conclude that this was impossible. The 1811 will names Sarah as the
widow of Jacobus/James, and the baptismal record of 1789 for William agrees,
naming Sarah as the mother. Elizabeth VOORHEES, b. 1761 died in 1826!
(Dates from Sutphin family Bible, Ella Sharpe Museum, Jackson, MI.
per Geoff Sutfin.)
Therefore, this Elizabeth did not marry James SUTPHEN (ca 1735-1811).
Therefore, Lesebet/Elizabeth (1738 - ) lived until at least 1784, when son
John was born.
Second marriage was to Sarah, after 1784, before 1789.
- Steve Deal
Go to this page at Ancestry.com:
> "http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/5122.htm" , you will find the
> 1910 Va. census index miracode available free for a temporary time.
>
> Now the miracode is NOT the soundex index.
>
> Here is a partial explanation from Ancestry.com: "Miracode is a slightly
> modified version of the Soundex indexing format. Miracode and Soundex are
> indexes based on the pronunciation of a name, rather than the name's
> spelling. Surnames are coded and then arranged numerically by their codes. "
>
> There is more of an explanation there.
>
> Hi NJ Researchers,
>
> I have a long list of Sut names from "Index to the Genealogical Magazine =
> of
> New Jersey, Vol II," by Kenn Stryker-Rodda.
>
> These names are the early Suts in New Jersey.
>
> For example:
> Idah 18:40b 60p 85p; 19:13b, p 35p; 20:87p 89p; 21:63bm
>
> Reuben 28:33p
> Reuben Morris 30:36b
>
> And the similarly for other names. You might have to check how to access =
> the
> actual volumes; perhaps through the Monmouth County Library in NJ.
>
> If you want to ask me about a particular name, I can tell you what the in=
> dex
> says.
>
> - Steve
>
> ____________________________________________________________________
> Get free email and a permanent address at "http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D="
> 1
Julie:
"The VanVoorhees Family, Vol I, The First Four Generations" on page 140
has the following:
Elizabeth VOORHEES (Albert - Jan - Steven) daughter of Albert VOORHEES
and Ariantje VAN DER VOORT was born October 10, 1738 and was baptized at
New Utrecht Nov. 5, 1738. There is circumstantial evidence that she was
the first wife of Jacobus (James) STUPHEN Sr., about 1735-1812, of
Somerset County, N.J. His second wife was also Elizabeth VOORHEES,
daughter of Ouke VOORHEES and Neeltje ________. The two Elizabeths are
first cousins once removed. In order to avoid any confusion James
SUTPHEN and both wives will be included in the fifth generation. Ref:
The American Genealogist Vol. 59, pps. 129/138."
This book was published in 1984 and to my knowledge the book covering
the fifth generation has yet to be published by the VanVoorhees Family
Association.
Hope this is of some help in your research.
I have both VOORHEES and SUTPHIN ancestry in NJ.
Bill Morrow in Houston, TX (native of NJ)
Early Van Zutphen/Sutphen Family
"Dirck Janse Van Sutphen," is listed in "The Roll of those who have taken
the Oath of Allegience In Kings County," NY, Nov. 1687. (That is,
allegience to the British Crown.) His length of time there as of 1687
was 36 years, which produces an immigration date of 1651.
- reported by Dorothy Koenig
The name, "Dirck Janse Van Zutphen," meant, Dirck, son of Jan from
Zutphen; Zutphen is a town in the Netherlands, then Holland. The
province (county) of Gelderland was formerly called Zutphen.
Many sources list a Kings County, NY marriage in 1680 between Dirck
Jansen Van Sutphen and Elizabeth Van Nuys.
Chris van Zutphen reports that Elizabeth arrived in the U.S. as "Lysbet,"
in 1651. (She would have been Lysbet VAN RHEENEN.)
Her parents, in 1680, were Auke Jansen VAN NUYSE and his third wife,
Geertje GYSBERTS. However, Geertje had been previously married, and
was a widow when she married Auke. Her first husband had been Jan
Jacobszen VAN RHEENEN (d. 1668+); Elizabeth's birth name had been
"Lysbeth Janse Van Rheenen." This translates, "Lysbeth, daughter of Jan,
from Rhenen." Rhenen was the name of a town in the Utrecht province
of (then) Holland. Elizabeth's sister, Eva Jans,
married their step-brother, Jan Auke Van Nuys.
- Info re Jan Jacobszen VAN RHEENEN is in records of the Brooklyn Dutch
Reformed Church (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD) 1983, per
Dorothy A. Koenig. See also, "New Netherland Connections," vol. 2.2 (May
1997) p. 35.
Bergen's "Register of the Early Settlers of Kings County," shows "Derick
Janse (Van Sutphen)" married "Lysbeth Janse Van Nuyse."
- research by Dorothy Koenig
In 1681, Dirck sold his Flatbush farm and acquired four lots in Yellow
Hoek (Bay Ridge) Kings County, Long Island, NY.
- research by Dorothy Koenig
Dirck VAN ZUTPHEN (1645-1707*) m.1680 Lysbet VAN RHEENEN#1
their SUTPHEN children:
Hendrikje (daughter) (1681 - ) (1)m. Pieter TURCKSE (VAN CLEEF)
(2)m Benjamin VAN CLEEF
Jacob (bap 1684 - ) m. ca 1716 Antje BENNET (bap 1687 - )#2
Jan (bap 1685 - 1686) died young
Jan (bap1687 - 1745) m ca 1710 Engeltje BENNET (before 1685 - )
Dirck (bap 1689 - ) m. Margaret VAN PELT
Geertje (bap 1689 - d. before 1692) she was Dirck's twin
Guisbert SUTPHEN (1693 - 1763) m. ca 1715 Geertruy VAN PELT
Abraham (1696 - ) m. Maria/Mayke BARKELO/BARKALOW#3
Isaac (ca 1697 - ) (died young#4)
Elsje (ca 1698 - ) m. Harman GERRITSE/GERRETSE
Elizabeth (1699 - ) m. 1748 Daniel LAKE
*Dirck's will, written in 1702, was proven in 1707.
#1 Adoption noted in will of her step-father, Aucke VAN NUYSE; her
ancestral name had been "Lysbet VAN RHEENEN."
#2 Sutphen sources showing 1682 are in error. Kenneth A. Bennet,
"William Adriaense Bennet, Descendants and Related Families,"
(Gateway Press, Baltimore, 1998).
#3 d/o Jan Borkelo, s/o Harmen Van Borkelo
#4 In "Genealogical and Memorial History of the State of New Jersey,
Vol. I," (Lewis Historical, 1910), author Francis Bazley Lee lists the
above 11 children, of which three died as infants or young children.
- Steve Deal, 2000
Hi:
I have obtained and typed up James' will and wondered if any of you
would want a copy. I can send as an e-mail attachment, can send this as
either an msword or word perfect .rtf file.
Ina S.
Ina: Which James is this? Jacobus 1735-1812? If so, I would love a copy.
Thank you
Diane in TX
Diane,
He is the James who was born in 1795. He was the son of Gilbert and Jane
Hollinshead Sutfin and husband of Amy Tucker. He is Grandson of the James
you mention.
Somewhere in about 1000 disc's I have a copy of James 1735 will. Will check
my floppies today and try to find it. I thought I had it saved on the hd
but as would luck would have it I had moved it.
Ina
Diane:
I searched through everything and couldn't find it. I am really
disappointed because I had the thing. It was given me by another Sutfin
researcher but when the HD crashed I must have lost it off. Checked all the
discs and even looked through my paper copies but not there. This is a
peice I really need as well. The beauty of computers is saving paper space,
but when its gone, its really gone. Sorry.
Ina
At 11:13 PM 10/14/2000 -0500, you wrote:
>Ina: Which James is this? Jacobus 1735-1812? If so, I would love a copy.
>Thank you
>Diane in TX
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ina Sutfin" <"mailto:ken&inas@CLARITYCONNECT.COM">
>To: <"mailto:SCOL@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU">
>Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 11:40 AM
>Subject: James Sutfin of Dryden
>
>
>> Hi:
>> I have obtained and typed up James' will and wondered if any of
>you
>> would want a copy. I can send as an e-mail attachment, can send this as
>> either an msword or word perfect .rtf file.
>> Ina S.
Note: Originally posted by Cris McCarthy as Hunterdon, these records are from
Somerset County, NJ
SOMERSET COUNTY, NEW JERSEY BAPTISM RECORDS SLC Film #1016886:
(New Millstone, North Branch Church at Raritan, and Six Mile Run)
Evidently called NEW MILLSTONE: beginning 1767
BAPTISM CHILD PARENTS
16 June 1793 Johannah John Sutphen and Alatty
born 24 May
20 Sept 1795 Reoluf John Sutphen and Allatty
born 15 Aug
6 May 1798 John John Sutphen and Alatty
born 21 Mar
20 Sept 1800 Joseph William Van Doren and Leah Zutphin
born 19 July
24 Jan 1802 Catherine Voorhees John Zutphen and Aaltie
born 12 Dec 1801
23 June 1805 Geertje John Zutphen and Aletta Terhune
born 29 Apr
RECORDS END.
NORTH BRANCH CHURCH AT RARITAN beginning 1720 (SOMERSET)
BAPTISM CHILD PARENTS
29 Jan 1744 Jacob Adriaen Zutphen and Elizabeth
5 May 1745 Anne Adriaen Zutphen and Elizabeth
10 Dec 1746 Maria Jan Aten and Elizabeth Zutphen
May 1750 Phebe Adriaen Zutphen and Elizabeth
26 Feb 1752 Geertje Pieter Zutphen and Chatelyntje
3 Mar 1754 William Dirck Zutphen and Neeltje
26 May 1754 Margrietje Pieter Zutphen and Cathelyntje
10 Apr 1757 Guisbert Peter Sutphin and Catelina
28 Nov 1764 Judick Pieter Sutfin and Catlina
23 Aug 1767 Elizabeth & Neeltje Peter Setven and Catlina
7 July 1770 Johannes Peter Setven and Catlina
27 June 1773 Neeltje Peter Sutven and Johanna
26 Dec 1786 Anny Joseph Stull and Caty Sutphin
28 Jan 1788 Catlintie Geisbert Sutphin and Elizabeth Proos
15 Nov 1789 Peter Geisbert Sutphin and Elizabeth Proos
12 June 1791 Mary & Judah Gisbert Sutphin and Elizabeth Proos
3 June 1792 Mariah William Nimrod and Elizabeth
Sutphin
born 22 Apr
23 Sept 1792 Ann Joseph Stull and Catrina Sutphen
born 22 Aug
17 Mar 1793 John Gaisbert Sutphen and Elizabeth Proos
born 17 Dec 1792
17 Mar 1793 Peter Peter Sutphin Jr. and Caty Ten Eyk
born 20 Apr1791
14 Apr 1793 Margaret Ten Eyk Peter Sutphin Jr. and Caty Ten Eyk
born 14 Feb
13 Apr 1794 Peter William Himrod and Elizabeth Sutphin
born 25 Feb
7 Feb 1796 Elizabeth Gisbert Sutphin and Elizabeth Proos
7 Aug 1796 Catherine Sutphen William Himrod and Elizabeth Sutphin
born 8 July
30 Oct 1796 Judah Sutphin Joseph Sull and Cathintje Sutphen
born 18 Sept
5 Feb 1797 Rebecah Hendrick V. Der Vear and Nelly
Sutphin
9 Nov 1800 George John Sutphin and Trintje Vroom
born 23 Sept
21 Dec 1801 Peter John Sutphin and Catherine Vroom
16 June 1805 Jemima and Catherine John Sutphin and Catharine Vroom
RECORDS END.
SIX MILE RUN CHURCH (a note on film states that MOST probable that pages are
lost as original was in poor shape) beginning 1743: (SOMERSET - SRD)
BAPTISIM CHILD PARENTS
6 Nov 1749 Catrena John Sutfin and Neeltje
19 Dec 1756 Jakobus Aert Sitfin and Jannitje
9 Sept 1759 Jacob Jacob Sutfen and Neeltje
1 Mar 1761 Petree William Sutven and Wyna
20 June 1762 Annie William Sitfen and Wyna
20 Mar 1766 William William Sutfin and Wina
15 Nov 1772 Aart Gheysbert Schetven and Ghjeerte
6 Nov 1774 Jannetje Geysbert Setven and Geerte
16 Apr 1780 Annatye Ryck Sutphin and Marya
30 Sept 1781 Janne James Sutfin and Alesebet
RECORD ENDS.
FYI - Steve
Steve,
Thanks for posting this! Proof of Jacobus/James
Sut* born to Aert and Jannetje. Thanks!
Julie
Steve Deal <"mailto:Nevetsland@AOL.COM"> wrote:
Note: Originally posted by Cris McCarthy as Hunterdon, these records are =
from
Somerset County, NJ
SOMERSET COUNTY, NEW JERSEY BAPTISM RECORDS SLC Film #1016886:
(New Millstone, North Branch Church at Raritan, and Six Mile Run)
Evidently called NEW MILLSTONE: beginning 1767
BAPTISM CHILD PARENTS
16 June 1793 Johannah John Sutphen and Alatty
born 24 May
20 Sept 1795 Reoluf John Sutphen and Allatty
born 15 Aug
6 May 1798 John John Sutphen and Alatty
born 21 Mar
20 Sept 1800 Joseph William Van Doren and Leah Zutphin=
born 19 July
24 Jan 1802 Catherine Voorhees John Zutphen and Aaltie
born 12 Dec 1801
23 June 1805 Geertje John Zutphen and Aletta Terhune=
born 29 Apr
RECORDS END.
NORTH BRANCH CHURCH AT RARITAN beginning 1720 (SOMERSET)
BAPTISM CHILD PARENTS
29 Jan 1744 Jacob Adriaen Zutphen and Eliza=
beth
5 May 1745 Anne Adriaen Zutphen and Elizab=
eth
10 Dec 1746 Maria Jan Aten and Elizabeth Zut=
phen
May 1750 Phebe Adriaen Zutphen and Eliza=
beth
26 Feb 1752 Geertje Pieter Zutphen and Chately=
ntje
3 Mar 1754 William Dirck Zutphen and Neeltje
26 May 1754 Margrietje Pieter Zutphen and Cathelyntj=
e
10 Apr 1757 Guisbert Peter Sutphin and Catelina
28 Nov 1764 Judick Pieter Sutfin and Catlina
23 Aug 1767 Elizabeth & Neeltje Peter Setven and Catlina
7 July 1770 Johannes Peter Setven and Catlina
27 June 1773 Neeltje Peter Sutven and Johanna
26 Dec 1786 Anny Joseph Stull and Caty Sutp=
hin
28 Jan 1788 Catlintie Geisbert Sutphin and Elizabeth P=
roos
15 Nov 1789 Peter Geisbert Sutphin and Elizabeth
Proos
12 June 1791 Mary & Judah Gisbert Sutphin and Elizabeth Proos=
3 June 1792 Mariah William Nimrod and Elizabeth
Sutphin
born 22 Apr
23 Sept 1792 Ann Joseph Stull and Catrina Sutph=
en
born 22 Aug
17 Mar 1793 John Gaisbert Sutphen and Elizabeth
Proos
born 17 Dec 1792
17 Mar 1793 Peter Peter Sutphin Jr. and Caty Ten =
Eyk
born 20 Apr1791
14 Apr 1793 Margaret Ten Eyk Peter Sutphin Jr. and Caty Ten Eyk=
born 14 Feb
13 Apr 1794 Peter William Himrod and Elizabeth
Sutphin
born 25 Feb
7 Feb 1796 Elizabeth Gisbert Sutphin and Elizabeth P=
roos
7 Aug 1796 Catherine Sutphen William Himrod and Elizabeth Sutphi=
n
born 8 July
30 Oct 1796 Judah Sutphin Joseph Sull and Cathintje Sutp=
hen
born 18 Sept
5 Feb 1797 Rebecah Hendrick V. Der Vear and Nell=
y
Sutphin
9 Nov 1800 George John Sutphin and Trintje Vro=
om
born 23 Sept
21 Dec 1801 Peter John Sutphin and Catherine Vr=
oom
16 June 1805 Jemima and Catherine John Sutphin and Catharine Vroom
RECORDS END.
SIX MILE RUN CHURCH (a note on film states that MOST probable that pages =
are
lost as original was in poor shape) beginning 1743: (SOMERSET - SRD)
BAPTISIM CHILD PARENTS
6 Nov 1749 Catrena John Sutfin and Neeltje
19 Dec 1756 Jakobus Aert Sitfin and Jannitje
9 Sept 1759 Jacob Jacob Sutfen and Neelt=
je
1 Mar 1761 Petree William Sutven and Wyna=
20 June 1762 Annie William Sitfen and Wyna
20 Mar 1766 William William Sutfin and Wina
15 Nov 1772 Aart Gheysbert Schetven and Ghjeert=
e
6 Nov 1774 Jannetje Geysbert Setven and Gee=
rte
16 Apr 1780 Annatye Ryck Sutphin and Marya
30 Sept 1781 Janne James Sutfin and Alese=
bet
RECORD ENDS.
FYI - Steve
Good Morning,
Does anyone have the will of Jacobus Sutphen born 1735. A year or
so ago someone sent it to me via e-mail attachment and I had it, I thought
on my hard drive. Apparently when the computer crashed I lost it. Have gone
through all my disc's and don't find a backup copy, which I don't
understand at all.
I checked Sambuco last night and they don't even have NJ will's
available, so I have no idea where to write to get one. I am glad that
Diane asked for it because I didn't know I was missing it until she did.
This is a really important peice of my proof's on our ancestry, and your
help will be appreciated.
Thanks a bunch,
Ina
Joan, and everybody,
Nice to see interest in NJ research.
First, let me "second" this, from Sharon Murray:
The resaerchers at the Monmouth Archives are most
happy to help with your research. You can e-mail Mary
Ann Kiernan at
"mailto:mkiernan@shore.co.monmouth.nj.us"
Mary Ann will certainly be aware of the "Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey,"
and if they have the magazines they ought to have the index, as well.
The only use I can think of for the index by itself (which is all I have) is
to let everyone know about the existence of the magazines. I tried to scan it
for a post, but the type is blurred, and that proved to be impractical.
My suggestion is that you e-mail, as given above. If you get stuck, please
post what you need.
Thanks,
Steve
Hi Cousins:
I want to express my sincere gratitude to Dorothy Koenig, for her
help with my loss of James' will. Seems I didn't loose it at all, I never
had it. He died intestate.
I have all but dumped the filing cabinet on the floor and would have
tomorrow if Dorothy had not come to my rescue. Thanks to her, I am back on
track.
Thanks again Dorothy,
Ina
Ancestry.Com has the above free till Oct. 28. I did not
find any Sutfins or Sutphins, which is odd, I know they were
there and raising families in those years.
Good luck, Raliegh Co. Births 1857 to1875
Mary Anne
Ina:
I don`t want to confuse the issue but I have a will for James
(Jakobus)Sutphen who died in 1812. I am sending to you as my records have
him born 1735 in Marlborough, NJ. There are a few James Sutphens/Sutfins
around at that time and maybe this is the one your looking for.
Geoff Sutfin
The following is the James Sutphen will (6/1812) from SOMERSET COUNTY
DIVISIONS OF ESTATES - SURROGATE BOOK A
JAMES SUTPHEN, Montgomery Tp., widow SARAH, dower previously assigned.
HEIRS: ALBERT and WM. SUTPHEN, CHARITY (SUTPHEN, wife of FREDERICK
DURYEE; ADAH (SUTPHEN) VAN DUYN; GILBERT (GISBERT) SUTPHEN (wife JANE);
MARY TILTON, PHEBE (SUTPHEN wife of ISAAC LEE; ELIZABETH (SUTPHEN) wife
of JACOB SKILLMAN; ELEANOR (SUTPHEN) wife of ISAAC BLEW(BLOW);JAMES
SUTPHEN'S 3 children and AVI WHITLOCK. Some minors under 21. ALBERT had
purchased shares of CHARITY, GILBERT, ELIZABETH, ADAM, PHEBE and ELINOR.
Along road Baptist Meeting House in Hopewell to Rocky Hill, adjoining
heirs of Abraham Voorhees, Arthur Sutphen, et al. Recorded 30th June
1812. Bk.A,p.14+. Map before p.24.
:
Thanks Geoff for passing that along. That is what I was looking
for. That is actually the copy of the division of land and he died
Intestate. The actual {copy} Will for James of Dryden, was a four page
handwritten document. The writing on that thing was unreadable in a lot of
places. The same with James 1863 of Town of Ira in Cayuga Co., which I will
forward as soon as I finish typing it, only his is longer. His will's have
codocil's attached. When you actually read the handwritten variety, you
take on a new appreciation for the intelligence of these men. It appears as
though they wrote their own and were signed in front of witnesses and then
at a later time were presented to the Judge for Probate. There is no
Lawyer's signature on them.
I have witnessed a couple and there is always a Lawyer's signature
in there someplace, with an Esq. affixed. Nothing of that sort anywhere on
these.
Thanks for the help, I appreciate your time in looking it up for me
and forwarding.
Thanks a bunch,
Ina
>From the Roanoke (Va.) Times, October 19, 2000...
SUTPHIN, James, 69, of Christiansburg, died Wednesday, October 18, 2000. He
is survived by two brothers, Grover Lee Sutphin and Carl Sutphin, both of
Christiansburg; two sisters, Ethel Fizer of Radford, Sally Duncan of
Christiansburg. Several nieces and nephews also survive him. Friends may call
anytime after 1 p.m. Thursday, October 19, 2000 at Horne Funeral Home where
the family will receive friends from 6 to 8 p.m. Thursday evening. Funeral
services will be held 1 p.m. Friday in the chapel with Mr. Randy Woolwine
officiating. Burial will follow in the Sutphin Family Cemetery. Arrangements
are being handled by Horne Funeral Service.
Some Sut*s From the following:
Revolutionary Census of New Jersey, An Index, Based on Ratables, Of the
Inhabitants of New Jersey during the American Revolution,
by Kenn Stryker-Rodda
1778-1780
Sutfin, widow Somerset Co., Bedminster
Arthur Somerset Co., West Dist.
G. Jr. Somerset Co., Bedminster
Guisbert Somerset Co., West Dist.
Gisbert Esq. Somerset Co., Bedminster
James Hunterdon Co., Tewksbury
James Somerset Co., West Dist.
John (2) Somerset Co., Bedminster
John Somerset Co., West Dist.
Peter Somerset Co., Bridgewater
Rulif Somerset Co., Bedminster
William Somerset Co., Bedminster
Sutphen, Aurt Somerset Co., Hillsborough
Derrick Hunterdon Co., Amwell
Gisbert Middlesex Co., So. Ward, Perth Amboy
Jacob Hunterdon Co., Amwell
James Middlesex Co., So. Ward, New Brunswick
Johannes Somerset Co., Hillsborough
John son of Jacob Hunterdon Co., Amwell
John son of Jno Hunterdon Co., Amwell
Ralph Hunterdon Co., Amwell
Richard Somerset Co., Hillsborough
Stout Hunterdon Co., Amwell
Setven, John (2) Middlesex Co., So. Ward, New Brunswick
Richard Middlesex Co., So. Ward, New Brunswick
Zutphen, Abraham Monmouth Co., Freehold
Benjamin Monmouth Co., Freehold
Cornelius Monmouth Co., Freehold
Derick A. son Monmouth Co., Freehold
Derick D. son Monmouth Co., Freehold
Derick Jon. son Monmouth Co., Freehold
John Monmouth Co., Freehold
Joseph Monmouth Co., Freehold
Richard Monmouth Co., Freehold
William Monmouth Co., Freehold
Hope this helps someone.
Susan Case
I posted on Middlesex genweb for Reuben Sutphin and received the =
following message, I am posting this message in Hopes it will help =
someone. It isn't the Reuben I am looking for as he was born about =
1815-19 but probably closely related.
Wyona
**************************************
Hello Wynona; I took a look for Sutphin in the Family Tree Maker CD 518 =
NJ
Source Records. The only listing for a Reuben Sutphin was Rhuben Sutphin
listed as a soldier in the Pennsylvania Insurrection of 1794. He was =
from
Middlesex Co. and served in Capt. Richard Handley's Troop of Light =
Dragoons
in the First Reg't of Cavalry.
A number of Sutphens appear in various spelling. There is Sutfin ; =
Sutphen ,
Sutphin , Sutphan and a Sutpen. I am sure the name is Dutch and was =
probably
Zutphen. You should try the Dutch Colonies list.
>From the History of Kentucky V. III, S. J. Clarke Publisher, Chicago-
Louisville, 1928:
Harry Tyldesley, M.D. married Sophie Martha Sutphin in Jeffersonville, IN
Oct. 1900. Sophie Martha, b. Campbellsville KY, was the daughter of John
and Annie (Martin) Sutphin. John sutphin was a dentist.
There's more on both families if anyone is interested. Katy
Hi, y'all,
I want to start this with this great story, from Mary Anne:
In a recently published book on a Floyd Co. school, the writer
states," The Tyson Sutphin family does not believe that Hendrick
Sutphin (1768-1857) was descended from a Dutch couple who arrived
in New Amsterdam in 1651."
DeWitte Tyson Sutphin, born Feb. 1900, said the Sutphin family was
originally Johnson.' (He is same one who told me this story) "and the
family is Scotch-Irish."
"This information came from Tyson's step-grandmother, Caroline Marshall
Sutphin Sutphin. The information came from her father-in-law,
John Wesley Sutphin, born 1811."
"The story goes, that Johnson who changed his name collected taxes
for the crown. In performing his duties as a tax collector, he had a
fight
with a tax payer. Thinking he was in serious trouble. he came to New
Jersey, settled on Sutphin Street and assumed the Sutphin name."
"If it were true that Hendrick Sutphin, born 1768, was descended from
a Dutch couple who were in NY in 1651, it seems there should be some
documentation on the family in the eighty-three intervening years."
Any comments? Remember this is all quoted.
I am more apt to believe Roxina Alderman who remembered Hendrick
Sutphin as a Dutchman who still spoke with an accent.
Mary Anne
OK, me again.
This story has many intriguing aspects. Anyone who was a tax collector for
the Crown would have been born before 1756, I would think. The Revolutionary
War began in 1776, and we would expect a tax collector to be at least 20.
OK, so the man lied about his age, perhaps? Yes, although claiming to be 12
years younger than he was would seem to increase the risk of discovery.
I opened a history book, and found this amazing mention of Hendrick, a Mohawk
hereditary chief, "who sided with the British against the French." Hendrick
claimed 39 enemies killed or captured. It says that Hendrick had once visited
England.
No, I'm not saying that this Hendrick was Hendrick Sutphin. The above man was
killed in battle before 1775.
There are more pieces to this. There was "an Indian trader and land operator
named William Johnson, who became the principal personage of the Mohawk
Valley." He was an honorary chief of the Mohawks, and "Johnson lived with
them and married in the tribe."
- "The Life History of the United States Before 1775," pp. 146,147.
What we see here is a line of Johnsons among the Mohawk, and the presence of
the name "Hendrick," as well.
Perhaps a boy, growing up in such circumstances could be expected to be
familiar with horses - and we see Hendrick and William with horses in the
Virginia data.
A young man named "Hendrick" would likely have been informed that it was a
Dutch name. The use of the name "Sutphin," would have been to conceal his
heritage, for reasons of his own, based on the attitudes of the people around
him.
FYI - Steve
So if Steve is on to something here, do we change the name of the group to
Johnson/Sutphen Cousins On-Line? And does that mean we're not related to
you Virginia folks?
Susan Case
Great Minds Think Alike, LOL - as for your questions, it's too soon to know.
Hi:
When we first started discussing the possible"Indian" connection I
started looking at some material I had already collected. One of these
peices being a book I purchased, actually because of my Schoonover line, and
found reference to a couple of Johnson's. I have no idea if these two
relate but this book lists sources that could, if found, possibly contain
more information on the those persons.
I quote; " John W. Johnson, a native of Maryland, was United States
factor at Prairie du Chien, in 1816, and afterwards. In his manners, he was
a real gentleman, and a very worthy man; but unfortunately, he was quite
deaf. He married a Sauk woman, and raised several children, and educated
them; and finally retired to St. Louis, wealthy, where he resided the last
I heard of him---John Shaw, in Wis. Hist. Colls., vol X 222. "
The above peice is actually a quote of a quote taken from work of
John Shaw by the author of this book. I don't know where Shaw's work could
be found but possibly through the Wisconsin Historical Society?
Another notation in the Bibliography of this book re-Johnson:
"Johnson, Elias. Legends, traditions, and laws of the Iroquois or
Six Nations, and history of the Tuscarora Indians (Lockport N.Y. 1881).
Written by a Tuscarora Chief; although in rather desultory and
scrappy form, contains considerable information of value."
This tells me that Elias Johnson was a Chief of the Tuscarora...
This book contains well over 1000 pages and I simply have never read
it. I started it this last weekend and managed to get part way through the
preface. It is not an easy read. At one time I addressed the possibility of
Suts going from the North to the South and back and it was because of
material I had read, I have no idea where I read it, that I posed that
question. The Indian nature was to travel the land following the game, plus
the South aforded warmer weather in the Winter than the North. The book I
am reading, or starting to read, is "The Indian Tribes of the Upper
Mississippi Valley & Region of the Great Lakes." by Emma Helen Blair. It is
composed of two volumn's the first originally published in 1911 and the
second in 1912. It is a non-fictional work and describes the lifestyle,
ceremonies, and such of the various tribes, the Deleware being the
grandfather of the tribes of this area.
Some years ago Ken Sutfin from B.C. Canada, and I started
communicating back and forth. Ken asked if I had ever heard of the
relationship between my NY group and a group in MI that had once been
(lived) on a reservation in the Dakotas, and of our possible "Indian"
affiliation. As with me I think his reference was just the "word of mouth"
as it was passed down from father to father. My first inkling was from my
husbands father in the early sixties before his death.
I have not found a connection, but am looking.
At one time the Deleware, and assorted other tribes were moved to
the Cherokee reservation in the Oklahoma Territory, and moved about from
there. I haven't checked the "Dawes Roll" (indian census) for the name
Johnson. I vaguely remember checking for Sut-in but don't recall finding
any. This should be re-checked.
I have a book " History of Cherokee Indians, Old families and their
Genealogy" in it is mentioned several references for Johnson. No Sutfin's
but there are Sutton which could possibly have been a misread of old
manuscripts. I'll look more at the references today and see if I can find a
spot where the two surnames come together in line. I realize that Sutton is
a Surname in itself, however if there is a spot where the two are together
it could be a misread, depending of course on time frames, and worthy of
further investigation.
Please keep me informed of anything that any of you find. I will
continue to look as well.
.
Ina S.
If the writer of the book I mentioned, had told the same story
I was told from the same source, and if this story was commonly
told elsewhere in the family, I would not have spent almost
30 years researching Sutphen/Sutphin. Tyson Sutphin was the first
person I spoke with when I started researching the name.
I still believe the story to be a rendition of the Americanization
of Dereck JANSON/Johnson/Son of John/ of/from (van) Zutphen.
I really don't intend to worry about changing the name.
Regards all,
Mary Anne
Bill:
I will check out that URL and thanks. Do I get your meaning
correctly that perhaps this is just a "tall tale". I have to admit that
when I started looking, I had begun to believe the possibility, but the
further I go and now with the info from Mary Ann, I am questioning. I
hadn't heard the Johnson name mentioned previously, only that lineage
existed..............When I looked, and didn't find the name Sut----n I put
it on the back burner to simmer, thinking along the way it might show up.
I do agree with Steve that this is worth the look, even if we find
nothing, at least we tried. Its gonna be a long winter and with that comes
extra time at the computer so I'll see what turns up.
Thanks again
from "New Brunswick First Reformed Church Records 1717-1820"
Baptisms:
1725 May 23 Sutphen, Jacob & Antje - Antje
1728 Apr. 8 Sutphen, Gysbert & Geertruy - Johannes
1755 Dec. 28 Sutfin, Jacob & Sara - Dirck
1757 Oct. 30 Zutphen, Jacobus & Elizabeth - Geertje
When my sister and I were in NJ a couple of weeks ago, we got the above from
the Rutgers Library. I believe the first couple are Jacob and Antje Bennet
Sutphen. Can anyone identify the remaining three families?
Susan Case
I can look something up for you on Ancestry.com
They have the Dawes index for 1896
1898-1914
Deb
I agree with Mary Anne, that the "Johnson" name came down from Dirck Janson
Van Zutphen, the progenitor of the Sutphen name in America.
Bill St. George
Hi SCOLers,
The research that Mary Ann, Lois, and others have done is certainly of great
value to us all, there is no doubt about that.
I don't think it will hurt to open up a few additional avenues of
exploration, considering the information, and the lack of it, that we have.
There may well be a way that there is something to some of the hints that we
can take from the family stories. In any event, we all realize that some of
these stories often contain distortions; sometimes, there is a grain of truth
there that can be found.
Let's start with Hendrick Sutphin, who m. Rachel Owen - and work back.
1) The story about the tax collector for the Crown, if it applies, would have
to concern his father, and not Hendrick himself.
2) The idea of a Johnson line could be through his father, or his mother.
3) Johnson could have been child of Jan/John at some point - perhaps Dutch.
4) Connection to Mohawk or other line could be through father, or mother.
5) Date of birth likely close to 1768.
6) Evident familiarity with horses while young.
Therefore, if we are to find a Dutch link to the NJ families, it would not be
through Hendrick himself, but through his father, or mother. Instead of 1768,
any NJ connection would be 1752, or earlier.
Considering all of the above, we have additional lines of inquiry.
Pax,
Steve
Susan,
Here is Geertje -
Jacobus SUTPHEN (1735 - 1811) m. before 9 Sep 1757 Lesebet VAN VOORHEES
Lesebet b. 10 Oct. 1738
Lesebet d/o Albert Janse VAN VOORHEES & Ariatje Vandervoort
(Albert's brother was the younger Elizabeth's grandfather.)
Children of Jacobus and Lesebet:
*Charity/Geertje (1757-1831) m. ca 1774 Frederick DURYEE
Here are "Gysbert & Geertruy"
Guisbert Sutphen (1693-1763) m. 1715 Geertruy VAN PELT (1693- )
Johannes, bapt. 1728 does not show up in later sources; may have died young(?)
They later named a son John, b. ca 1732, m. Johanna NEVIUS.
- Steve
Thanks, Steve,
I thought that one must be Guisbert and Geertruy Van Pelt but it's nice to
have confirmation. On Jacobus and Elizabeth I didn't have her maiden name.
What is your source?
By the way, I got to see the VanTassel Sutphen book at the Somerset Co.
library. I think now I have most of the information from there but it was
interesting to see the original. Makes me wish I lived closer and could
access the sources there more often.
We were looking at the New Brunswick records hoping to find one of our
Bennet ancestors but no such luck. I'll have to keep looking.
Susan Case
Since Horses were the primary means of doing work, and for getting around
in the 1700's, I would think that the familiarity with horses should be a
given for any individual of that time. Just a thought.
David C.
Check wirh the Dutch on this one.
But I beleive that Dirck Jansen van Zutphen's chilrdren would be -----
Dirckse Janse which would be ----- son of Dirck son of Janse. Two names would
be ----- Dirckse.
Now Jan Berense van Zutphen would have children ----- Jansen Berend or two
name form patronymic ---- Janse (----- any single name).
Now Janse becomes Johnson. And Jan Barense had a Flock of children.
Johnson a Different source.
Hi:
Another goody found today..........
" Terrapinhead's only daughter, Jennie, married a half boood
Spanish- Cherokee whose only name was So-Sa or Goose but he became locally
known as Dick Spainiard, on acount of his extraction. Upon his enlistment
in the confederate service he gave the name So-sa and upon the adjutants
query for a christian name, he said Johnson or as the Cherokees pronounced
it, Jonson would do. He was killed in a skirmish at Tahlequah and Jennie
named their posthumous son; John Johnson using the father's assumed
christian name for his surname." This is from " History of the Cherokee
Indian's: Old families and their genealogy", page 475, reprinted in 1998.
This is another reason tracing roots is a chalenge. I am more
knowledgeable today than I was yesterday at this time.
Thanks a bunch,
Ina
Hi Deb and others:
Thanks for forwarding the files......they came through just fine and
I could easily read them with no problem. I wanted to mention also that I
did find a couple of lineages from the "Cherokee families" book where the
Johnson line combines with the Sutton line. The book is not an easy one to
figure out since the numbering system of familys is complicated. After I
figure it out I will know more about how they interlink.
Ina S.
Perfect! And when in later years, patronymics ceased to be a custom and
families adopted a surnmame, Jansen/Johnson could easily have been one of
those "stopping points", except that all of that person's descendants would
now be Johnsons, not Sutph*ns, which still leaves us the problem of which NJ
Sut(s) went south and formed that branch of the family that kept the Sutph*n
name.
Bill St. George
Now if I remember correct Jan Barense van Zutphen father was a van Tassel and
he had one van Tassel son as well as the flock of Johnsons.
I have a Guisbert Sutphen married Geertruy Van Pelt. Guisbert was the son
of Dirck Jansen (Van Sutphen) Sutphen and Elizabeth (Lysbeth) Van Nuys.
This starts my Sutphen line. Michelle Crocker
Susan and Michelle,
Guisbert SUTPHEN (1693 - 1763) m. 1715 Geertruy VAN PELT (1693 - )
Derick (1716 - 1777) m. Eleanor SCHENCK
Aert "Arthur" (1718 - 1798) m. Jannetje VAN MATER
Guisbert/Gilbert (1720-1796) (1)m.1743 Adriantje VAN PELT*1 (1720 -
(2)m. 1789 Peternella VOORHEES*2
Margaret (1723 - )*3
Peter (1725 - 1797) m. Catherine LOW/LOWE (1723 - 1806)
Neeltje (1730 - ) m. Ouke VOORHEES*4
John (ca 1732 - ) m. Johanna NEVIUS (1732 - )
Jacobus/James (ca 1735-1811) 1m. Lesebet VAN VOORHEES (1738-84+)*5
2m before 1789 Sarah ____*6
Mary (1737 - ) m. Cryn Janse VAN MATER
*1 Note her name, Adriantje
Gilbert's Van Pelt cousin, per "A Genealogy of the VanPelt Family," by
Effie Smith, 1913. Thanks, Andrea Van Pelt Bayne.
*2 This 2m date per Mary Ferm.
*3 Not Elizabeth, who was d/o Jan and Engeltje (Bennet) SUTPHEN
*4 Per Van Voorhees Bible records, Rutgers U. - Wayne McKean.
One daughter's name was Elizabeth.
*5 Her name became Elizabeth VOORHEES. An old assumption that this
Elizabeth died before 1778 was based on an error. This led to
the erroneous idea that this James 2m Elizabeth, d/o Ouke.
*6 Sarah named in James' will, and 1789 bap of son, William.
Main source: A.V.D. Honeyman & Van Tassel Sutphen, "The Sutphen
Family," (1926, NY). Information from
other sources as noted.SCOLers,
Although I don't know the significance, if any, of William Johnson and the
Mohawks to 1768 Hendrick Sutphin (and William Sutphin) I want to describe the
geography involved.
The location of the Mohawk River valley is in New York state, near Rome, NY.
It's in present-day Oneida County, just east of Oneida Lake. This area is
about 130 miles northwest of Manhattan, New Jersey, etc. About 30 miles
northeast of Rome, NY is the town of Holland.
Hendrick, the hereditary Mohawk chief, was killed at the Battle of Crown
Point. Crown Point, NY is about 70 miles northeast of Rome, NY.
For those who have reservations (oops!) about these avenues, there is
another. Carl Bauer has brought Jan Barense Van Zutphen to our attention, and
we need to learn much more about this family.
In any case, the time-frame is important to all searches, and seems to run
from before 1752, for the births of parents, to just past 1768, for Hendrick
himself.
Steve
Yes Steve I already have this information. My Sutphen line breaks off with
the second Guisbert born in 1720.
This is my line:
Dirck Jansen (Van Sutphen) Sutphen (1645-1707) s/o Jan Van Sutphen (?-?) and
Mother Unknown m. 1680 Elizabeth (Lysbeth) Van Nuys (Bet. 1655 - 1660-1698)
Guisbert Sutphen (1693-1763) s/o Dirck Jansen Sutphen (1645-1707) and
Elizabeth Van Nuys (Bet. 1655-1660-1698) m. Abt. 1715 Geertruy Van Pelt
(1695-1747)
Guisbert Sutphen (1720-1796) s/o Guisbert Sutphen (1693-1763) and Geertruy
Van Pelt (1695-1747) m. 1743 Ariaentje Van Pelt (1719-1788)
Peter Sutphen (1762-1839) s/o Guisbert Sutphen (1720-1796) and Ariaentje Van
Pelt (1719-1788) m. 1788 Catherine Hunt (1770-1831)
Stephen Hunt Sutphen (1795-1863) s/o Peter Sutphen (1762-1839) and Catherine
Hunt (1770-1831) m. 1818 Nancy Dunham (1796-1879)
Peter Condit Sutphen (1818-1893) s/o Stephen Hunt Sutphen (1795-1863) and
Nancy Dunham (1796-1879) m. 1845 Sarah (Cortelyou) Cortleyou (1827-1894)
unsure of which spelling for the last name.
David Skank Sutphen (1851-1927) s/o Peter Condit Sutphen (1818-1893) and
Sarah Cortleyou (1827-1894) m. 1870 Mahala Hilderbrant (1846-1915)
Richard Warren Sutphen (1871-1957) s/o David Skank Sutphen (1851-1927) and
Mahala Hilderbrant (1846-1915) m. 1900 Elizabeth Ceceila Batie (1874-1954)
Learl Ellsworth Sutphen (1902-1969) s/o Richard Warren Sutphen (1871-1927)
and Elizabeth Ceceila Batie (1874-1954) m. 1930 Bertha Sorgenfrei
(1909-1988)
Alice Fay Sutphen (1938-?) d/o Learl Ellsworth Sutphen (1902-1969) and
Bertha Sorgenfrei (1909-1988) m. 1956 George Edward Cooper (1930-?)
Michelle Lea Cooper (1974-?) d/o Alice Fay Sutphen (1938-?) and George
Edward Cooper (1930-?) m. 1991 William Bryce Crocker (1970-?)
I have tryed to get birth and marriage data for the early Dirck Van Zutphen
b1562 in Tongerlo, Limburg.
Found Tongerlo gemeente Maasbree and Tongerlo gemeente Sevenum, both in
Limburg. There were no other Tongerlo in the crossreference we used.
Could not find any records on Tongerlo gemeente Maasbree.
Found the Dutch Reformed Church Marriage and baptism Records for Tongerlo
gemeente Sevenum (LDS film 110620). The record starts 1569 and runs to 1635
with records lost from1599 to 1605. This gap is right across the probable
birth years of the hypothezied Jan Dirckse van Zutphen linking Dirck van
Zutphen and Dirck Janse Van Zutphen (the Oceancrosser).
Now the good news is that I could not find any van Zutphens at all in the
microfilm. Yes good, because the existing records indicate that Tongerlo
gemeente Sevenum is the wrong record. The worst thing would be to find the
right record and have the data lost or not available.
Now does anyone know where the right records are?
Carl,
I don't have a direct answer to your question, but I do remember a possible
clue. I've read that the Van Zutphen Family coat of arms does not come from
Zutphen - it comes from Breda. This ties in with the history of the hero of
Breda, named Dirck.
The idea seems to be that the Oceancrosser, Dirck Van Zutphen, was named
after the hero of Breda. It has not been established whether this naming was
because of blood relation, or because the name Dirck was associated with the
hero. I believe that he may have been called Dirck Van Breda, at some point,
but I'm not certain.
If there are records that relate to Breda, that might be worth a look.
Steve
Sylvia Frances Sutphin
BECKLEY - Sylvia Frances Sutphin, 84, of Beckley died Oct. 25, 2000, in
Beckley Appalachian Regional Hospital after a long illness.
She was a homemaker and a member of St. Mary's United Methodist Church,
Beckley.
Surviving: son, Robert "Bob" of St. Albans; daughter, Shirley Carroll of
Mechanicsville, Md.; grandchildren, Dwayne Johnson of Accokeek, Md., Michelle
Johnson of Clinton, Md., Bobby SutphinJr., St. Albans, Brian Sutphin of
Philippi.
Service will be 11 a.m. Friday at Rose & Quesenberry Funeral Home, Beckley,
with Pastor Jim Reed officiating. Burial will be in Blue Ridge Memorial
Gardens, Prosperity. Friends may call from 6 to 9 p.m. today at the funeral
home.
Att:Ina I couldn't get your e-mail address to work.
No, it wasn't me, must have been Geoff who was looking
for this information. There was a Derick living in
Michigan in the mid to late 1800's....could that be
one you are looking for? I don't have the info =
in my hands at the moment but will look. I'm sure I
saw him in the 1870 Michigan census on line that Geoff
put the address for on SCOL the other day.
Sometimes I feel so overwhelmed, trying to sort all
these Sut*s out, especially the MI and NY ones. I'm
kind of new at the research but have made some headway
on my (and Geoff's) branch. If only we could get some
solid documentation on James Sut* b. 1756, d. 1836 and
Elizabeth Voorhees, b. 1761, died 1826 or so...we would
be in 7th heaven! If I can do anything to help you,
let me know.
Julie
I realize that I sometime irritate people, but such an acidic posting (which
I didn't realize until after my responses was made on purpose under and
assumed name and address) really takes the cake. I know it was none of you,
but I cannot help but share my irritation and shame at having a relative of
some kind feeling it necessary to do something like this.
Anyone that has been to my website knows that my wife is black and that I
have a half-Philippino son, a half-black daughter and 3 black step children.
This along with the fact that there are black Vandiver's (many of actual
blood relationship to us - primarily from the Long Island Branch), makes this
sort of posting rather personal. I for one have the "balls" to take such an
individual on (in person if necessary). Hiding like this is terrible. I
actually acknowledge a persons right to be prejudiced (we all are in one way
or another) but such biggotry is a shameful thing.
I DO NOT believe it is anyone on these mailing lists, but I had to share my
disappointment with those I have come to enjoy communicating with.
Thanks for tollerating this message,
Jerry D. Vandiver
For those of you who may be curious about Floyd County, VA.,
here is a description from VDOT. Of course it is not telling
you the 381.5 square miles is some of the most beautiful
scenery in the world.
Mary Anne
Frank Hancock wrote:
>
> I think technically speaking, there is only one town incorporated in Floyd
> County and that is the town of Floyd. There are several little settlements
> which have a post office, a general store and an elementary school such as
> Check and Willis and quite a few smaller communities such as Copper Hill
> which have only a general store and a post office. Most of the communities
> are a rather scattered group of homes and farms. There are no cities in the
> county, no Interstate highways, no public airports, no railroads and only
> 54.8 miles of primary highways. The 1990 census listed 396 people in the
> town of Floyd and 11,609 in rural areas for a total of 12,005 inhabitants
> spread out over 381.5 square miles.
>
> I know this is a little more than you asked for but this will give you an
> idea of the area that you are asking about. If you wish to know about a
> particular village or settlement, please let me know and I will try to find
> some information for you.
>
> In case someone questions the information that I gave you. Most of it came
> from the Floyd County General Highway Map prepared by the Virginia
> Department of Transportation.
>
> Hope this helps.
This is correct. ONE traffic light in the whole county of Floyd.
Heck, Hillsville has two. So, you can see Carroll Co. is much
more advanced. :-)
Mike Miller wrote:
>
> Don't forget...there is only one traffic light in the whole county of Floyd,
> in the center of the town of Floyd. I wonder how many other counties can
> boast of this achievement?
>
> Mike Miller Roanoke, VA
> "mailto:fmmiller@infi.net"
Jerry:
That's all the info I have & rec'd that from the Sutphen or the Van Voorhees
researchers. Albert Janke VV was the father of Eliz Voorhees who m Jacobus
(James) Sutphen. Eliz was b 1738 & they give Ariantje's birthplace as
Holland. I recently found some good Van Pelt info at the gen library in
Anderson, IN but still looking for my Ariantje. Thanks for your offer to
help. If you would like a copy of the VP info, let me know.
If Ariantje Vandervoort immigrated with Albert, then I am not certain I can
help.
It strikes me that she may have been the daughter of Michael Van der Voort
(grandson of the immigrant ancestor Michael Paulszen van der Voort). She was
first married to Hendrick Van Gelder by 1730 when their son Michael was
baptized, but I do not have a record of them after that. This Ariantje was
born around 1707 in New York, however, so if you believe the source that says
she was born in the Netherlands is reliable, then this may not be the one.
If there are any legal connections (witnessing deeds, wills, etc.) between
Van Gelders and you Albert & Ariantje (or their family) it may be worth
pursuing.
Sorry I cannot be as helpful as I had hoped.
Jerry
Elizabeth Adkins M. Robert W. Jackson
William Austin Jackson b.1896 m.Cora Adkins Any Infor On This Family
William B. In Nicholas co.WV 1896 d. Boone County WV 1950
Thanks Barbara
Jackson
Happy Thanksgiving to ALL of my SCOL Cousins...
It is a bright but brisk morning here in Maryland... and a wonderful day to
just stop and reflect on how fortunate we are to live in this wonderful
country. I plan to spend some time at the nursing home with my Mom and
Dad... then my Daughter and I will celebrate the remainder of the day with
some close friends. I hope each of you has a wonderful day...
Today we welcome Paula Paradise to our SCOL family. There are several more
prospective members on their way to joining us... perhaps tomorrow. Here is
Paula's note to me:
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Mike,
I would like to subscribe to the Sutphen, Sutphin, etc. cousins on line
list. I am still looking for a particular person on my line.
Paula Paradise
"mailto:Paulaparadise@worldnet.att.net"
------------------------------
Paula, if you would post a note to the group and let them know something of
your Sutphin connection, I'm sure you will receive some helpful information.
Mike
Dear list members,
I am hoping someone will be able to help me find information on a
Sutphin or Sutphen in Idaho. The person is Lou Violate Sutphin who
married Lewis H. Paradise in Paris, Idaho 14 July 1908. They were both
residents of Soda Springs, Idaho. Lewis was 37 at the time of their
marriage. I do not know her age. She and her husband sent postcards
from Soda Springs and Henry through Dec. of 1909. She usually signed
her name as Violet. Neither she nor her husband appear in the 1910, or
1920 Census. I think either they were divorced or she died prior to
1833 when Lewis died. Lewis Paradise was living in Park City, Utah
prior to going to Idaho. I did not find any Sutphin's in Utah 1870 to
1920 in the Census.
I am trying to see if Violet may be connected to other Sutphen's in
Idaho or Wyoming.
I found no Sutphen or Sutphin in Idaho from 1870 to 1900.
I found the following Sutphen, Sutfin's in Idaho:
Henry M. Sutfin b. abt 1862 Indiana and his wife, Effie J. born abt
1866 Iowa
Truman P. Sutphen b. 15 Jan, 1858 in New York. Father: Peter M.
Sutphin b. New York and mother: Mary Hollister b. Vermont. wife,
Lessie W. born abt 1859/60 Ill. In South Dakota 1900. He was with sons
in Gooding, Idaho in 1910.
Children: Doran Sutphen b. Jul 1885. married Mary or Marion
Harte. Lived in Gooding, Idaho.
Attorney.
Percy T. Sutphen b. 3 Jul 1887 St. Lawrence,
S.D. Graduated from Yale law school 1908.
married Madeline. Also an attorney.
Also in South Dakota:
John L. Sutfin born Sept 1859 Illinois; wife, Mary, Children: Alfred J.,
John P., William R., Eunis, & Benjamin
In Wyoming:
Rawlins Springs: James Sutphin b. abt 1814 New Jersey; his wife, Sarah
b. abt 1816, Children: Thomas b. 1856, and Mary b. abt 1859
M.V. Sutphen born N.Y abt 1849
Laramie: William B. Sutphin b. 5 Sep 1855 Pennsylvania; wife, Francis b.
Feb 1857 N.Y. Children: Stoures b. Apr 1899, John H. b. Sep 1890.
Mother, Ruth b. Jul 1829 Penn.
Glenrock, Converse County: Clara Sutphin a widow b. Gemany 1860.
Grand-daughter Winifred Sutphin b. 1907
also from Glenrock: Myrtle Sutphin, b. 1884 a widow, parents born Iowa.
Children: Frances b. 1908, Maude b. 1911, Melvin b. 1912, and Doris b.
1913
If you have any information on these families or on Lou Violate (Violet)
please let me know. I would be happy to share what information I have
found on the above families.
Thank you,
Paula Paradise
This is an address for a Prather (Prater) Web page. It is
a very long file but I thought interesting. The Praters came out of MD. into
Bedford Co. VA. Could it be they traveled to SW Virginia with our Sutphins?
Maybe from MD. to SW VA with our Sutphins?
There has been much Prather/Prater research done, going back to England
10-1400, how much has been proved, I don't know. This file has my gr gr gr
gr grandmother Sarah Prater with name of Latcia and in the wrong family,
but if anyone cares to look, there may be a clue in here somewhere, and we
had a couple Prater descendants with us at one time.
Regards all,
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Hello Everyone,
I trust all of you are finished with your Holiday Shopping and preperations.
I guess I'm the only one left with things to do. Being retired as found me
busier now than ever... but it is a more pleasant sort of busy.
Tonight we welcome our newest cousin to SCOL... Jewel Bryan. Jewel's note to
be follows:
---------------------------
(Mike)
I would very much like to subscribe to your list. My gr-gr-gr-grandmother,
Mary Sutphin was born approx. 1770 in New York, married William Bryan (born
1761 Amsterdam, Hunterdon County, NJ) in NJ approx. 1885. They had 11
children including my gr-gr-grandfather, Jacob, born approx. 1795 in NJ.
Family moved to (Crawford County?) PA in 1813. Jacob and his wife (Mary
Bagley) and children (Smith Bryan, et.al) moved from PA to northwestern IL
in 1840, via Ohio and Mississippi Rivers. Were farmers all.
I am hoping to find information on Mary's siblings and parents. Thanks so
much.
Jewel A. Bryan
"mailto:jewelalizah@hotmail.com"
2334 - 4th Street
Moline, Illinois 61265
-------------------------
Jewel, I feel sure you have come to the right group of folks to help you
with your research.
That's all for now,
Mike
You have broken my heart. All that knowledge gone??? Well I still have you
my darling. I want someway to get that marriage verification from N. C. I
can find no record and have been thru most of the counties in N. C. I also
printed out the history of the Morovian people. very interesting. anyway I
now have a lady from alaska writing me and maybe she can shed some light.
Her grandfather is brother to my grandmother Laura. I just got a microfilm
picture of the Hendrix/Rachel Owen Sutphin marriage papers. hard to read but
I have transcribed it pretty good. Now am waiting on the Owen/Sally Thompson
one from Stuart, Va. if it is there.That will make it for the Sutphin line
back to Hendrix.
byeeeeeeeeeee
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Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: HI
> Joan, John Perry Alderman passed away a few years ago.
> Mr. John, John Perry's father is now in a senior care home, not a nursing
> home, in Hillsville. His wonderful mind has dimmed, but the last I talked
> with him, the years of the past were still there. This man kept Carroll
> County's history in his head. Not one for publishing, but a great one for
> story telling. Due to John Perry's death, so much of the history John
Perry
> was going to publish, and what Mr. John knew, has been lost.
> There are probably several of us who can help with the Alderman history.
> Regards,
> Mary Anne
Hi Joan. I checked out the Rowan Co. NC. sites, I could not find a
reference to Jacob Alderman. I did find the address for the Rowan Co.
Historical Society. It is at Salisbury, NC. P.O. Box 4305, 28145-4305. There
are also volunteers for lookups found at
"http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncrowan/rowan_lookup.htm"
Be sure to give the different spellings, Olterman, Alterman.
The marriage bond for Owen Sutphin and Sarah Thompson is in Patrick Co. VA.
(Stuart, VA.)That is where I got my copy.
You are not the only one who was heartbroken at the death of John Perry
Alderman. He was a special person and I have adored Mr. John since I met
him. As does everyone else. I wish I had been smart enough to tape all the
stories he told me of our Carroll citizens. I was looking for death date and
place of burial for an Edmonds relative some years ago. When I mentioned it
to Mr. John he told me. John had been running for a county office,
Commissioner I believe, he visited the day Mr. Edmonds died, he even gave me
the exact day! This would have been in the 1930's. So you see Carroll County
has had quite a loss.
Be glad to help anyway I can,
Mary Anne
Joan, I found the record on Ancestry.Com.
It is Jacob OLTERMAN to Rosey FADENLAND
22 Aug. 1796.
Mary Anne
Joan and Mary Anne,
This looks right to me.
Rosey was aka Rosanna Flannagan - Larry King explains that she was from
Holland, but was orphaned and raised by an Irish family, Flannagan.
Did I receive a picture and it was alphabetized??
Anyway much thanks for the Olterman item. I have sent e-mail to volunteer
for a court house zip code address to get the certificate.
I am finding that worldconnect.rootsweb.com gives me a lot of info that I
can understand better, I registered for the freebie and and trying to get
all I can.
Am seeking information on my ggg grandmother, Mary Sutphin (possibly
Sutphen) born (possibly) in New York. She married William Bryan b. Feb 12,
1761) on April 17, 178?. They had eleven children: Mary b. 1786, Rachel b.
1788, John b. 1790, Elenor b. 1792, Jacob (my gg grandfather)b. 1794,
Hannah b. 1796, Jane b. 1798, Isaac b. 1800, Sarah b. 1802, William b.
1806, Elizah b. 1810. (Amazing.)
If you are familiar with this Supthin/Bryan line, please email me at
"mailto:jewelalizah@hotmail.com"
Thanks so much!
If your ancestors migrated to Michigan from New York, as many did, you might
want to check the on-line death records for clues.
"http://www.mdch.state.mi.us/PHA/OSR/gendis/search.htm"
If there is one, I'm not aware of such a site for NY. Let's all put it on
our CHRISTMAS WISH LIST.
Anymore information out there on Rosy Fadenland/Jacob Olterman/Alderman.
Where did the information that she was from Holland come from. was it
verified?? J.Norman
-
I'm looking for information and family connections on;
Mary SUTPHEN--b-26 Nov 1766--NJ
married--17 April 1781--NJ
William BRYAN--b-12 Feb 1761--NJ or UK? D--1845
Children;
Mary
Rachel
John
Eleanor
Jacob
Hannah
Jane
Isaac
Sarah
William
Eliza
All children born Amsterdam, Hunterdon, NJ----1786-1810.
About 1813 moved to New Castle, Mercer, PA.
Mercer Co. later became Lawrence Co..
1840 at least part of the family moved to Hancock Co., IL..
Thank you and HAPPY HOLIDAYS,
Joy Trantham
I have Maria Sutphen born 1766 in Somerset Co., NJ, daughter of Jacobus
Sutphen and Elizabeth Voorhees. She was baptized Nov. 16, 1766 at Harlingen
Dutch Church. I don't have any other info about her. Maybe it'll give you
a place to start looking.
Susan Case
I have this Maria (Mary) Sutphen (d/o of James/Jacobus Sutphen and Elizabeth
Voorhees Sutphen) married to John Tilton in 1784. Sorry to say I have
nothing on William Bryan.
MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY HEALTHY NEW YEAR TO ALL SCOL MEMBERS AND THEIR
FAMILIES.
Geoff Sutfin (LI, NY)
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"http://leader.linkexchange.com/1/X1478584/clicklogo""http://leader.linkexchange.com/1/X1478584/clicklogo""http://home.talkcity.com/LibertySt/burt33513/index.html ""http://home.talkcity.com/LibertySt/burt33513/index.html "" http://www.gencircles.com/users/drjerry/"" http://www.gencircles.com/users/drjerry/""http://www.splatsearch.com""http://www.splatsearch.com""http://www.gencircles.com/users/drjerry/""http://www.gencircles.com/users/drjerry/"A very interesting concept By Mary Ann Sutphin (Below) "msutphin@TCIA.NET""msutphin@TCIA.NET"When we first started discussing the possible"Indian" connection I started looking at some material I had already collected. One of these peices being a book I purchased, actually because of my Schoonover line, and found reference to a couple of Johnson's. I have no idea if these two relate but this book lists sources that could, if found, possibly contain more information on the those persons. I quote; " John W. Johnson, a native of Maryland, was United States factor at Prairie du Chien, in 1816, and afterwards. In his manners, he was a real gentleman, and a very worthy man; but unfortunately, he was quite deaf. He married a Sauk woman, and raised several children, and educated them; and finally retired to St. Louis, wealthy, where he resided the last I heard of him---John Shaw, in Wis. Hist. Colls., vol X 222. " The above peice is actually a quote of a quote taken from work of John Shaw by the author of this book. I don't know where Shaw's work could be found but possibly through the Wisconsin Historical Society? Another notation in the Bibliography of this book re-Johnson: "Johnson, Elias. Legends, traditions, and laws of the Iroquois or Six Nations, and history of the Tuscarora Indians (Lockport N.Y. 1881). Written by a Tuscarora Chief; although in rather desultory and scrappy form, contains considerable information of value." This tells me that Elias Johnson was a Chief of the Tuscarora... This book contains well over 1000 pages and I simply have never read it. I started it this last weekend and managed to get part way through the preface. It is not an easy read. At one time I addressed the possibility of Suts going from the North to the South and back and it was because of material I had read, I have no idea where I read it, that I posed that question. The Indian nature was to travel the land following the game, plus the South aforded warmer weather in the Winter than the North. The book I am reading, or starting to read, is "The Indian Tribes of the Upper Mississippi Valley & Region of the Great Lakes." by Emma Helen Blair. It is composed of two volumn's the first originally published in 1911 and the second in 1912. It is a non-fictional work and describes the lifestyle, ceremonies, and such of the various tribes, the Deleware being the grandfather of the tribes of this area. Some years ago Ken Sutfin from B.C. Canada, and I started communicating back and forth. Ken asked if I had ever heard of the relationship between my NY group and a group in MI that had once been (lived) on a reservation in the Dakotas, and of our possible "Indian" affiliation. As with me I think his reference was just the "word of mouth" as it was passed down from father to father. My first inkling was from my husbands father in the early sixties before his death. I have not found a connection, but am looking. At one time the Deleware, and assorted other tribes were moved to the Cherokee reservation in the Oklahoma Territory, and moved about from there. I haven't checked the "Dawes Roll" (indian census) for the name Johnson. I vaguely remember checking for Sut-in but don't recall finding any. This should be re-checked. I have a book " History of Cherokee Indians, Old families and their Genealogy" in it is mentioned several references for Johnson. No Sutfin's but there are Sutton which could possibly have been a misread of old manuscripts. I'll look more at the references today and see if I can find a spot where the two surnames come together in line. I realize that Sutton is a Surname in itself, however if there is a spot where the two are together it could be a misread, depending of course on time frames, and worthy of further investigation. Please keep me informed of anything that any of you find. I will continue to look as well. . Ina S CUTTER CALYPSO
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Storms, shipwreck, fire, sharks and fog were the elements pieced together in an East Coast port today by the crew of the Coast Guard cutter Calypso, in an amazing tale of rescue in the North Atlantic.
Lieutenant Woodward B. Rich, USCGR, young Commanding Officer of the Coast Guard l65-foot patrol boat acting as escort for an Atlantic convoy, described how his vessel faced a typical peacetime job of rescue work combined with the wartime hazard of enemy attack.
Well out in the North Atlantic with heavy winds and high seas, the cutter was rocked by an explosion of great force. All hands rushed to general quarters. Lookouts reported that one of the ships of the escorting screen had been hit. A tremendous tower of smoke and water was seen rising from USS Plymouth, a Navy ship, some 8,000 yards ahead.
Lieutenant Rich ordered flank speed into the smashing waves. Forward gun crews clung desperately to their stations as cascades of green water poured over the bow and flooded the decks.
"Whether there were survivors or not," Lt. Rich said, our first job was to screen the convoy and track down any possible submarine contacts."
The cutter carved a wide circle around the area, her decks rolling under again and again as she came broadside into the seas. The stricken Plymouth had already disappeared beneath the surface as the Calypso received orders to cover her.
Zigzagging violently to lessen the danger of a second enemy attack, the Calypso closed in on the V-shaped oil slick dotted with floundering survivors. Patrol bombers appeared on the scene, flying low and dropping self-inflating rafts.
As the Calypso approached the survivors, Lt. Rich was faced with the desperate possibility of having to drop depth charges among shipwrecked American sailors in the event of a sudden submarine attack.
"I don't know if I could have done it," he said later. "It was one of the most terrible decisions an officer can be forced to face."
The cutter slowed down her propellers as she approached the survivors, who were rapidly being scattered by high winds and who were struggling to keep afloat in the enveloping oil. As the Calypso threaded among them in a daring feat of seamanship, men were hauled over the ship' s rail by hand as she tossed in the heavy seas. Some had life jackets, others none; some were barely clothed and others were naked. In seas littered with debris, only good seamanship spared the men from being crushed as they came alongside.
All men who could be spared from general quarters lined the rails under the direction of boatswain R. S. Ridenour of York, Maine, who hauled in those most desperately in need of rescue. Again and again, propellers had to be stopped to keep from endangering the lives of those in the water, and to prevent fouling in the wreckage. Nevertheless, enough speed had to be maintained so that in the event of attack, the ship could respond immediately to her helm.
As the survivors spread out over the sea, it became evident that the cutter could not hope to pick them all up in time to save their lives. Ensign William T. Gray of Philadelphia requested immediate permission to launch the ship's life boat in order to pick up survivors who were drifting downwind. Quickly volunteering for this hazardous job, the crew composed of Coast Guardsmen Herman H. Kramm (Gunner?ate 3rd class), Stanley J. Korowicki (Seaman 1st Class), John A. Barrett (Seaman 2nd class) and Charles J. McGrath (Sandman 2nd class) manned the boat and it was lowered over the side. As the ship rolled, the boat struck with a tremendous splash and was immediately engulfed by a huge wave. With daring skill, Ensign Gray maneuvered away from the side of the ship and headed bow-on into the seas. At this point, lookouts spotted the ominous fins of sharks approaching the survivors. Lieutenant C. E. McDowell of Salisbury, Maryland, and Ensign G. P. Jacobson, a South Dakotan, stood guard with 30-calibre machine guns trained on the sharks, as the boat moved in to pick up survivors.
Astern, a man clinging to a small piece of shattered wreckage mildly called "I don't mean to be yelling my head off, but I'm burned bad." He died later that night.
With over 30 survivors already aboard the l65-foot cutter and as many more still clinging to battered bits of equipment in the shark-filled waters, another terrifying alarm rang out over the ship: "FIRE AFT." Racing down the decks to their extinguishers and hoses, the fire fighting crew swiftly conquered the blaze of unknown origin, without causing interference with rescue operations or interrupting medical care already being given to survivors. The doctor of the shipwrecked Plymouth was now brought aboard and joined
The doctor of the shipwrecked Plymouth was now brought aboard and joined Edward Yancavage, Pharmacist's Mate 1st class of the Calypso, in caring for the dozens of severely burned, shocked and waterlogged survivors. Out of over 60 survivors brought aboard, only three died.
Later in the afternoon, patrol planes reported that all survivors in the water had been picked up and none had been seen to drown.
The seas continued to mount during the night as the Calypso fought her way to the nearest port. None of the survivors could be left on deck, and passageways, heads, the captain's cabin, and even the galley was turned into a sick bay. The violent movements of the ship had disabled the gyrocompass and the ship was now forced to navigate under this additional handicap. As the wind subsided inshore, she ran into heavy fog banks.
With a safe port just through the fog, Lt. Rich now faced the danger of proceeding through strange mine fields under the most trying of conditions. Under reduced speed the cutter picked her way through, and landed her survivors on the dock where ambulances were waiting to rush them to hospitals.
IN OFFICIAL REPORTS, THIS SAGA OF THE COAST GUARD CUTTER CALYPSO WAS DESCRIBED AS "ROUTINE ACTION AT SEA."
Note: Cutter Calypso is still afloat today and sailing as Circle Line XI, continues to make daily sightseeing cruises and evening charters in NY Harbor
#"http://www.phillip-hatcher.com" 1800 Bedford, Co. Va. tax list shows William, Solomon B & Hendrick Sutphin. From assets I think William is Father, and there is a younger son, William, Jr. Some folks think the family had a couple of girls born in N.J.
1800 Tax list. William Sutphin with 3 white males over age of 16, 4 Horses, 2 cattle. (Sources Mary Beth Sutphin, Jim Ball.
Hendrick/Henry Sutphin Born 1768 New Jersey. Died Feb 12 1857 At Burks Fork, Carroll, Co.Va.
The name may be "Hendrick Shadrack Sutphin" His house still stands as of 1996 on State Road 638 Between Dugspur & Laurel Fork Va.
Hendrick & Brother, William Came to Montgomery Co pre 1810 and 1814 was on Burks Fork. Land is still in Family now called Tate Goad Farm. John Alderman says his aunt Roxina says Hendrick Sutphin Spoke with a German Dutch Accent. Willie Cruise now owns Hendrick's land.
1800 Bedford Co Tax list could be this William or his Father, unmarked graves in Turman Cem. could be William Alcey, and family. One marked grave says William Sutphin Jr. Died May 1860. One of William's daughter had a Daughter, Isabelle who had a son Floyd Sutphin. Alcey's name came from son Elijah's death record. Eli, Chris, and Hannah are the only proven children of this Family. (Source) Sutphin Cousins Up Date, By Lois Johnsten & Mary Ann Sutphin.
"Quote" The parents of Hendrick & William Sutphin have never been found. We keep looking at the records and, maybe someday, will be able to find the names of our ancestors. That would make a lot of people happy. We believe all the Sutphins in Virginia descended from Direk & Lysbeth Janse Jocobse - Van Nuys Van Sutphen-= Arrived at New Amsterdam in 1651 from the Netherlands. The basis of our belief lies with the 1850 Carroll County, Virginia Federal Census listing Henry Sutfin, age 82 born in New Jersey. This is our proven ancestor, Hendrick Sutphin who married Rachel Owen at Bedford County, Virginia in 1788. The 1800 Bedford County, Virginia tax list contains Hendrick, William and Solomon B Sutphin. Hendrick & William Sutphin went to Carroll Co, Va. with their families. Theory says Solomon B, Sutphin might be the Barnard/Barrett Sutphin in Northern Virginia records.
To all the Sutphin Cousins past, present & future, we are a family like all other families . The history of the world exists in the history of a family, and we are not different. ( unquote )
You can find links on this Site that will take you to the Sutphin Data Bank ___I have changed my ISP, so please discard my old digs, "mailto:Nevetsland@aol.com"
and use my new addy,
"mailto:wwwizard@earthlink.net"
Thanks -
See ya thru the pixels,
Steve Deal
"mailto:wwwizard@earthlink.net"
There is a Daniel Sutphin married to an inlaw of mine. They live in Easton,
Talbot County, Maryland. She is Lori Ann Richardson who is about 37 years old
and was born in Easton, Talbot County, Maryland. They have at least one
youngster, Daniel Sutphin, born in Easton, Talbot County, Maryland.
Anyone have any information on Daniel Sutphin (35 to 40 years old) that
matches?
Thanks
Great site Phil. Your are correct, The 3rd Armored Division is known as the
Spearhead Div. Hubbie was with the the 3rd Armored in Germany 55-58. There
is a story about the colors being lost and the Division could not return
stateside for ten years. Was this Korea?
Happy Holidays to you my friend.
Mary Anne
Fellow SCOLers,
I have found a John Sutfin in the 1810 census for Charleston, Montgomery
Co., NY. Based on the fact that this household contains one female of age
16-26 and that that would most likely be the age of my Gertrude (Gitty)
Sutfin, who married Joel Davis in 1812 in the same town, I think John
Sutfin is a likely candidate to be her father. Does anyone out there know
who the parents of this John Sutfin may have been? He was over 45 years
old in 1810. Thanks for any help anyone can give.
Sharon Stanfield
From: "mailto:Brijenbri@aol.com"
>Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 03:02:54 EST
>Subject: Regarding Anderson's in Pulaski
>To: "mailto:phil@sum.net"
>
>Dear Phillip,
>I am writing to you in hopes that I may find relatives of some Anderson's in
>Pulaski, Va.- particularly a Walter James Anderson that died there around
>1943. He had a wife Beatrice Stuart and had several children. I am actually
>looking for anyone beyond the people I have written about in this email. I am
>in need of medical information for my daughter and do not have time to search
>this on my own. I am on a timer so to speak. Beatrice has very limited
>knowledge of where these Andersons might be found. If you can help me, please
>let me know.
>Thank you,
>Jennifer Anderson Buss
Hello Everyone,
I trust all had a nice holiday and that the new year is finding you
refreshed.. and hopefully a little warmer than us folks here in MD.
Today, we welcome three new cousins: Myrtle Cook <"mailto:MYRTLECOOK@AOL.COM">,
Sylvia Newman Malone <"mailto:Sylmalone@AOL.COM">, and Shirley Verbrigghe
<"mailto:slverbrigg@JVLNET.COM">. You may recall that Myrtle was with us some time
back... and we are happy to have her rejoin our group.
Shirley is searching for some family ties. Here is her note to me:
-------------------------
Michael McMillion sent your email to me. Our ancestor is Mary Margaret
Sutphin b 7 May 1855, Monroe County, Virginia (W.Va.) This information is
from her Marriage record to Richard Henry McMillion 5 March 1876 in Fayette
County, W.Virginia. On the marriage record it states her mother is Jane
Sutphin, but no father is listed. Do you know her father was? Any
information most appreciated. We have been stuck on this for a long time.
-------------------------
Hope all are doing well...
Mike
I have a note that William Sutphin was in Iredell County, Virginia, then
Surry County, NC, then Bedford County, Virginia. Is that true? Lois in
Nebraska "mailto:johnsten@micrord.com"
Was/Is there an Iredell County VA??? I think that is NC, and depends on
which William Sutphin you are talking about. We did have Suts in NC early,
Jacob Sutfin I believe, and I have never researched the family. So, if a
William was in Iredell, it may have been of that branch. Yes, we know
William Sr. was in Bedford Co. then William Jr. (m1/ to Lucy Blackard, m2/
to Ann unknown)was in Surry by 1860 with his brother John Sutphin.
It appears someone is confused on William Sutphins, last name Smith by
chance? (grin)
Regards,
Mary Anne
Hi Shirley, Myrtle and Sylvia. Glad to see you with us.
Shirley, did we ever find a birth record for Matilda? Was the marriage
record the first we had on her parents? It is possible the information would
be on a birth record from Charleston. Most of the VA/WVA counties started
keeping birth records in the 1850's.
Regards to all,
Mary Anne
I received this sad note from Karon this afternoon. She asked me to forward
to SCOL.
Visitation will be at Vaughn-Guynn-McGrady Funeral Home tomorrow evening at
six, funeral services will be at
Mt. Hebron Church, 1 pm on Monday, she did not say so, but I assume burial
will be in the churchyard. Olin was a member of Mt. Hebron from childhood.
Olin's parents were Elbany "Bane" and Luanna Edmonds Sutphin.
Regards all,
Mary Anne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karon Calhoun" <"mailto:kcalhoun@pop.charter.net">
To: <"mailto:msutphin@TCIA.NET">
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 2:50 PM
Subject: Sutphin Obit
> It is with deep sadness that I report the death of my Grandfather, Olin
> Broy Sutphin of Willis, Virginia. He passed away today around 12:30 at
the
> Laurel Forks Nursing Home in Laurel Forks, Virginia. He is survived by
> his son Billy Lester Sutphin, grandson Michael Sutphin, granddaughter
Karon
> Sutphin Calhoun, 3 greatgrand children and 5 great-great grandchildren.
> May his soul and the souls of all our loved ones rest in Peace.
>
>
> Karon Sutphin Calhoun
>
>
Mike,
I just wanted you and the other Cousins to know that the web site I
have at the present time is a Non Profit Venture, I just do it
because I like to learn how to do web sites, and I think I am doing
some of you a favor. I have Thirteen Thousand entries in my World
Family Tree Program, If anyone wants a Gedcom Etc.. Copy I would be
glad to send them the file to add to their program, then if they have
Lois's book they can make thousands of connections to mine, I asked
Carrie if she wanted to swap files, and I sent all of mine, and she
returned 400 entries to me, if she had sent the whole file I could
have done a merge and those that did not make a connection, would be
deleted, but it seems because she had 45 thousand and I had only 13
thousand, it was a bad deal, so she would not send anymore, she said
I might write a book, well I can put that to rest right now, Lois,
Mary Ann, And Carrie, I am not about to write a book, I don't need to
sell books, but those that need to sell books, you have my blessing.
Mike I will be glad to send My Files to anyone that wants them.
I made some changes to the web site, tell me what you think.
Your Cuz Phillip
"http://pages.zdnet.com/hatchphil/sutphincousinsphotoalbum/"
Please send Gedcom File for my use. I am a descendant of Jane Sutphin
(Mother of Mary Margaret Sutphin who married Richard Henry McMillion).
I appreciate all the work you have done and are doing for the Sutphin
cousins. My email is "mailto:slverbrigg@jvlnet.com" Thanks.
ShirleyGo ahead Phil, do a book. You have even more Carroll County connections then
Lois and I. Anyone who has published a book knows it is not done for profit.
I have started a site at Zing. Only started with a few pictures I wanted to
store and thought it would be neat to have them out in space. Guess what,
not a Sutphin on it. If I ever get it completed I will send the URL.
I enjoy your site, it is a very interesting one.
Regards,
Mary Anne
Lena Viola Mabry, b. 6-22-1870, Burks Fork section of Carroll County to
Richard Madison "Preacher Matt" Mabry and Nancy Farmer, d/o Joseph and
Susanna Spence Farmer. Lena was married twice, 1st to Henry Dickerson in
1889, he died ca. 1891, and Lena married James Benjamin Hylton in 1893, s/o
William Anderson Hylton and Ruth Burnett Hylton. Same Hylton lines as
Hubbie, William A. a brother to Minerva Hylton McPeak.
Preacher Matt remarried after Susanna's death to Mattie Lawson in 1899, d/o
Matt Lawson,you are right, Lawson is another of hubbie's lines, through the
Patrick Co. Thompsons.
Mary Anne
Hi, Mary Ann.
I need a little help and thought I would ask you because you are the auth=
ority on southwest Virginia genealogy.
If you can find time, Please check the following name:
Joshua M. Sutphin, b 1883, d 1954, m Cora Lee Wright, b 1885, d 1972. Bo=
th were from southwest Virginia and they had 8 children. I received this=
information from the Thomas =20
Balch Library in Leesburg, VA, while searching for information on norther=
n Virginia Sutphins.
If you need the childrens' names, I have them. I just wondered if there =
was any connection with the NOVA Sutphins.
Thank you for any help you can provide.
Bill Sutphin
Dickerson, MD
That is an easy one Bill. Thanks for checking those NOVA Sutphins though.
Joshus M. Sutphin is s/o Elijah Sutphin Jr. and Elizabeth Henley or Kenley.
So he belongs to our SW. VA. line of William and Alsey Sutphin. I only list
one daughter, Rosie, b. 1913, for them, so we can use additional
information.
Regards,
Mary Anne
I received this note from Cousin Laura, I have never used a Mac, and know
nothing of what program may be suitable.
Can any of you puter people help us out? How well does PAF or FTM, any of
the genealogy programs work with a Mac? This lady has some fantastic
pictures.
Mary Anne
> One question - I have a Mac and am looking for a good genealogy program
that
> i would be able to include pictures with the info, do you have any
> suggestions?
> Laura
Laura,
I have a Mac, and I try to keep up on the software. Although I have not used
it myself, several reviews advise using REUNION, which is a Mac program. You
can use pictures with it. I saw a site that was done by Teri Pettit, using
Reunion, and it looked really good.
Steve
"mailto:wwwizard@earthlink.net"
Mary Anne, Far and away the best genealogy program for the Macintosh is
REUNION program. Fron its begining it has been designed for Macintosh
users. PAF and FTM have *adaptations* fir the Mac. Dorothy
> I received this note from Cousin Laura, I have never used a Mac, and know
> nothing of what program may be suitable.
> Can any of you puter people help us out? How well does PAF or FTM, any of
> the genealogy programs work with a Mac? This lady has some fantastic
> pictures.
I wouldn't recommend FTM. The Mac version is way behind the Windows version,
and the company that makes it will not say if they will ever upgrade it. I
have heard that PAF for the Mac is pretty good, and relatively easy to use.
The "best" program I have heard of for the Mac is one called Reunion. I
really don't know much about it, but their website is at:
"http://www.leisterpro.com/"
--
Cherie Atkinson Clark
"mailto:chersfmly@aol.com"
"http://members.aol.com/chersfmly/"
Looking for ATKINSON in Ohio Co WV and Washington Co PA, FIFE in Allegheny
and Washington Co PA, KIMMINS (or KIMMONS) in Ohio and Marshall Co WV and
Washington Co PA, SKILES in Washington Co PA, TOLBERT in Carroll Co VA and
Raleigh and Fayette Co WV, WEBB in Carroll Co VA, McDAID in Washington Co PA
and Marshall Co WV, WOLFE in Greene Co and Washington Co PA, FARIS in Ohio Co
WV and Delaware Co OH, McCONNELL in Allegheny Co PA, MORROW in Allegheny Co
PA, SUPLER in Washington Co and Greene Co PA, and way too many associated
families to list!
**There are only two lasting bequests we can hope to give our children. One
of these is roots, the other, wings.** (Hodding Carter)
There are three Sutphin photos on this site, courtesy of Kenneth E. Sutphin.
Mary Anne
Hello cousins from the frozen north of Michigan.
The 2 obits I am sending are both Michigan Sut*s.
My uncle, Urbin Fay Sutfin, passed away 20 Jan 2001
in St. Louis, Michigan. He was the son of Urbin
Ray Sutfin and Lenora V. Battley and was born 16
Sept 1916 and was proceeded in death by his sisters,
Neva Belle Sutfin Ronald, Erma Mae Sutfin Kegley,
Ilah Fern Sutfin McCuaig and one brother, Jack
Ray Sutfin and his parents. He is survived by
one daughter, Cheryl Sutfin Krautstrunk, her husband
and their 2 sons and several nieces and nephews.
I recently found out about this obit. The death
actually took place in November, 2000 in Florida.
Louis S. Sutfin, age 76, died Thursday, November 9,
2000 in Eustis, FL. He was born in St. Johns, MI
and was a winter resident of Flroida. He is
survived by his wie, LaVerna M., 3 daughters, Edna
Upton and Carol Sutfin, both in MI, Cheryl Coleman of
Kileen TX, 2 sons, Laverne Sutfin of Eaton Rapids,
and John Sutfin of Laingsburg, MI, a sister Helen
Parke of Green Cove Springs, FL and 2 brothers, Cecil
Sutfin and Orrin Sutfin both in Michigan.
I think Louis Sutfin is probably related to me and
fellow SCOLER, Geoff Sutfin, but have been unable
to make this connection as yet.
Hope you all are having a healthy and safe winter.
Julie Sutfin in Michigan
Thanks to all the generous people who gave information on Mac and genealogy
programs.
Thanks to Ron who gave his opinion on Apple. I don't know if Laura is still
a member of SCOL or not. With grad school etc. she has been very busy, I did
forward the information to her, just in case.
Regards all,
Mary Anne
----- Original Message -----
Hello List,
My uncle died today and we are trying to inform family members that we
cannot get in contact with. I was wondering if anyone online knew Kathy Cox
or Christine Goad, we cannot contact them by phone.
Melvin Elmo was the son of Amon Roscoe and Mary Ocie Marshall Sutphin
Thank you
Deb
Deb, sorry to hear of the death in your family. Where does Christine and
Kathy Cox live? I call Lorraine to see if she knows how to contact them.
Husband's names?
Mary Anne
The last address I had for Kathy was Toast N.C., Not sure about Christine.
Kathy was online but my mail to her tcia.net address comes back
undeliverable. Thanks MaryAnne :)
NewCOMPUSA (in Maimi Florida at least) carries a version of Family Tree Maker
(in last six months I haven't been there). This is a full blown version with
pictures. Not Cheap
I have a G-4 Mac tower with PAF for the Mac (I think it is version 2.3.1).
It can be had for free downloading from "http://www.familysearch.org". No photos. It
also is an orphan as there is a version 5 for windows
The G-4 performs so well that I prefer it to the 500 MH Compac tower that my
wife likes.
I use Reunion on my Mac. Fine program. Love my Mac, wouldn't have anything
else and have been able get software. It isn't available in stores, but
easily available by catalog.
Mary Ann sutphin wrote:
> I received this note from Cousin Laura, I have never used a Mac, and know
> nothing of what program may be suitable.
> Can any of you puter people help us out? How well does PAF or FTM, any of
> the genealogy programs work with a Mac? This lady has some fantastic
> pictures.
> Mary Anne
William Farry Sutphen, aged 79, died yesterday in Camp Hill, Pa. b. 1921 =
in Elizabeth, NJ.=20
marr. Nila Schoen, 12/24/1944. d/o Nelson and Manetta Schoen. Served in =
the Marine Corps, during
WWII, retired from marketing for J.C. Penny.=20
Brother of:
Eleanor Lillian Sutphen, Manning-12/29/1903 @ Elizabeth, NJ, d. 12/1981, =
Summit, NJ
Robert L. Sutphen, b. 12/10/1905, in Elizabeth, NJ, d. 2/1977, =
Hallendale Fl.
Kenneth Theron Sutphen, b. 5/20/1908, Elizabeth, NJ, d. 10/18/1965, =
Neptune, NJ.=20
Son of George Theron Sutphen, 1881-1936 @ Monmouth Cnty, NJ
and Catherine Kemmouth Farry, 1880-1962, @ Westfield, NJ
Grandson of John Wesley Sutphen, b.1843..d. unknown, @ Monmouth Cnty, NJ
and Eleanor Jane Sickels, b.1850, d. after 1920 @ West Farms, NJ
Greatgrandson of John V. Sutphen, b. 1819, marr. 1838, d. unknown @ =
Monmouth Cnty, NJ.
and Jane Conine d. abt 1890 @ Monmouth Cnty, NJ=20
Grandson of Charles Edward Farry 1848-1931 @ Monmouth Cnty, NJ,
and Irene Morris, b. abt 1856 @ Monmouth Cnty, NJ.
Greatgrandson of William Farry, 1826-1910, @ Monmouth Cnty, NJ
and Rebecca Hall, 1829-1909 @ Monmouth Cnty, NJ
Great great grandson of Sylvester Farry/Farre/Ferry, b. Ireland, and =
Lydia
Hurley, m. 1818, Monmouth Cnty, NJ.
"Uncle Bill" leaves his wife, Nila, and children, Barbara, William F., =
Jr., Diane, his daughter
Patty, deceased in July 2000. =20
Regards,
Rita
Denver, CO
NewCOMPUSA (in Maimi Florida at least) carries a version of Family Tree Maker
(in last six months I haven't been there). This is a full blown version with
pictures. Not Cheap
I have a G-4 Mac tower with PAF for the Mac (I think it is version 2.3.1).
It can be had for free downloading from "http://www.familysearch.org". No photos. It
also is an orphan as there is a version 5 for windows
The G-4 performs so well that I prefer it to the 500 MH Compac tower that my
wife likes.
I use Reunion on my Mac. Fine program. Love my Mac, wouldn't have anything
else and have been able get software. It isn't available in stores, but
easily available by catalog.
Mary Ann sutphin wrote:
> I received this note from Cousin Laura, I have never used a Mac, and know
> nothing of what program may be suitable.
> Can any of you puter people help us out? How well does PAF or FTM, any of
> the genealogy programs work with a Mac? This lady has some fantastic
> pictures.
> Mary Anne
William Farry Sutphen, aged 79, died yesterday in Camp Hill, Pa. b. 1921 =
in Elizabeth, NJ.=20
marr. Nila Schoen, 12/24/1944. d/o Nelson and Manetta Schoen. Served in =
the Marine Corps, during
WWII, retired from marketing for J.C. Penny.=20
Brother of:
Eleanor Lillian Sutphen, Manning-12/29/1903 @ Elizabeth, NJ, d. 12/1981, =
Summit, NJ
Robert L. Sutphen, b. 12/10/1905, in Elizabeth, NJ, d. 2/1977, =
Hallendale Fl.
Kenneth Theron Sutphen, b. 5/20/1908, Elizabeth, NJ, d. 10/18/1965, =
Neptune, NJ.=20
Son of George Theron Sutphen, 1881-1936 @ Monmouth Cnty, NJ
and Catherine Kemmouth Farry, 1880-1962, @ Westfield, NJ
Grandson of John Wesley Sutphen, b.1843..d. unknown, @ Monmouth Cnty, NJ
and Eleanor Jane Sickels, b.1850, d. after 1920 @ West Farms, NJ
Greatgrandson of John V. Sutphen, b. 1819, marr. 1838, d. unknown @ =
Monmouth Cnty, NJ.
and Jane Conine d. abt 1890 @ Monmouth Cnty, NJ=20
Grandson of Charles Edward Farry 1848-1931 @ Monmouth Cnty, NJ,
and Irene Morris, b. abt 1856 @ Monmouth Cnty, NJ.
Greatgrandson of William Farry, 1826-1910, @ Monmouth Cnty, NJ
and Rebecca Hall, 1829-1909 @ Monmouth Cnty, NJ
Great great grandson of Sylvester Farry/Farre/Ferry, b. Ireland, and =
Lydia
Hurley, m. 1818, Monmouth Cnty, NJ.
"Uncle Bill" leaves his wife, Nila, and children, Barbara, William F., =
Jr., Diane, his daughter
Patty, deceased in July 2000. =20
Regards,
Rita
Denver, CO
Does anyone have any info on a Solmon Tolbert or Talbert born in Va. 1790
and married Martha Patsy Bows June 30,1814 in Person Co., NC . She was born
1795. Thier children are- John, Elisha, Martha, Harriett, Elizabeth, Elijah,
and Amanda, all born in Va. in either Pittsy or Halifax or Henry Co. The
John J. Talbott line in the one I am researching, he was born 1819 and
married Liza McDonald.
Are they connected to Allen Tolbert?
Thanks for any info,
Rhonda
Hi Rhonda, I don't know the connection to Allen and Soloman Tolbert,
several of us have tried to find it. In one of the "Carroll Heritage"
books, there is a sketch on Soloman. I believe Dixie Tolbert Anderson
found an Allen Tolbert and a Jereimiah living in Halifax near Soloman.
A John Tolbert married Allie Cock in Carroll in 1834, but the family
moved away.
I have put my notes away on this family, but sure some of the
Sutphin/Tolbert Cousins can help more then I with my notes.
Regards,
Mary Anne
The following was posted on the Dutch Colonies list by Dorothy Koenig--
Dear Karen, Pam, Cynthia, et al, Things are shaping up quite nicely with
the Readington, NJ, LOWs :-).
According to "The Sutphen Family" (1926) by A. Van Doren Honeyman, Peter
Sutphen, the first husband of Johanna Ten Eyck, was the son of Peter
Sutphen, Sr. and Catherine Low. As I demonstrated in my earlier message,
Johanna/Hanna Ten Eyck was the dughter of Mathias Ten Eyck and Neeltje
Teunisen. Honeyman (who is often confused but here seems trustworthy)
says that Peter Sutphen and Johanna Ten Eyck had two children:
1. Peter, born 19 Dec 1770 (named for his paternal grandfather) and
2. Eleanor, born 9 Jun 1773 (named for her maternal grandmother)
After Peter Sutphen, Jr.'s death in 1777, Johanna Ten Eyck m. 2) Pieter
Low. This Pieter may well have been the Pieter baptized on 6 Nov 1743 in
the Readington, NJ, DRC, whose parents were Benjamin Low and Neeltje Van
Neste. According to Fred Sisser III (who always knows what he's talking
about) in his "Somerset County Genealogical Quarterly", volume 5, number
2 (June 1987) this Neeltje Van Neste was born about 1721, the daughter of
Peter Van Neste and Machtel Stol who were married about 1720. Peter was
the son of Jeronimus Van Neste and Neeltje Hendricks. Machtel was the
daughter of Jan Stol and Machtel Van Vliet.
At the baptism of little Pieter Low on 6 Nov 1743 the witnesses were the
baby's maternal grandparents -- Pieter Van Neste and Machteltje Stol with
her given name represented by "Magdalena".
Karen has sent to me off-list the EIGHT children of Pieter Low and Johanna
Ten Eyck, i.e.
1. Ann b. Nov. 27, 1778;
2. Cornelius, Born Nov. 11, 1780 [bap. 10 Dec 1780, Raritan DRC, NJ]
3. Mathew, Born June 17, 1783
4. Catherine, born Nov. 25, 1785
5. Andrew Ten Eyck, born August 13, 1788 [bap. 21 Sep 1788, Raritan]
6. Rebecca, born August 3, 1790 [bap. 8 Aug 1792, Raritan DRC, NJ]
7. Johanna, born Jan. 05, 1795
8. Nicholas, born Dec. 26, 1798
I have supplied the three baptismal dates found by Pam. Honeyman in his
Sutphen genealogy says that Peter Sutphen [Jr.] moved to Cherry Valley,
NY, in 1795. He must have gone with his mother and his step-father,
Pieter Low. This tallies nicely with Rebecca's having been baptized in
New Jersey. Possibly only Nicolas Low, the youngest child of Pieter and
Johanna, was actually born in New York.
Where is Cherry Valley, New York?
There is an article on pages 203-210 of the "Somerset County Historical
Quarterly", volume 6 (1917). It is "The Readington Lowe (Low) Family"
written by Houston Lowe of Dayton, Ohio. The article is totally
undocumented, and all of the statements would need to be verified. The
name "Benjamin" appears only once among all the Lows discussed, and if,
indeed, this turns out to have been the Benjamin Low who married Neeltje
Van Neste, the lineage would go like this:
Jan Bastiaensen [Lowe]
Laurens Jansen Low m. Mary Roosa
Jan Low m. Jannetje Corsen (and moved to Readington, Hunterdon Co., NJ)
Benjamin Low
The will of John Low of Amwell Township, Hunterdon County, NJ, was written
on 9 March 1729 and proved on 31 May 1729. In the will he names his wife
"Yanaca" and their children: Lawrence, Gysbert, BENJAMIN, Cornelius,
Tunis, Marica, Minar, and Winca. The executors were his brothers, Albert
and Cornelius Low. The witnesses were Adriaen Oten (Aten), Peter van
Este, and John Reading. Adriyan Aten and Peter Van (N)Este made an
inventory of John Low's estate on 30 May 1729.
The association of Peter Van Neste with John Low's will makes me think it
highly likely that Benjamin Low (John's son) married Neeltje Van Neste
(Peter's daughter)!
Carl Sutphin
VERMILION, Ohio -- Carl "Bill" Sutphin, 66, of Vermilion, formerly of
Kingston, died Friday, Jan. 26, 2001, at home after a short illness.He was an
Army veteran, an employee of Ford Motor Co., Lorain, and a member of Masonic
Lodge 503, Amherst, and UAW.Surviving: mother, Hazel F. Sutphin of South
Charleston, W.Va.; brother, B.W. of Millersburg, Mich.; sisters, Margaret S.
Eder of Charleston, W.Va., Doris Stafford of Virginia Beach, Va.Service will
be 2 p.m. Saturday at Snodgrass Funeral Home, South Charleston, with Pastor
Richard Mahan officiating. Burial will be in High Lawn Memorial Park, Oak
Hill, W.Va. Friends may call one hour prior to service at the funeral home
where there will be a Scottish Rite service at 1:45 p.m.
Dorothy,
You wrote:
Honeyman in his Sutphen genealogy says that Peter Sutphen [Jr.] moved
to Cherry Valley, NY, in 1795. He must have gone with his mother and
his step-father, Pieter Low. This tallies nicely with Rebecca's having
been baptized in New Jersey.
Ironically, Peter Sutphen Jr married another Ten Eyck (Caty), and I
can't identify her (yet).
Peter Jr and Caty baptized 2 children 14 Apr 1793 at the Readington DRC
before their removal to Cherry Valley as follows:
[SCHQ] Sutphin, Peter, Jr., and Caty Ten Eyk--Peter; Margret Ten Eyk.
(Peter, b. Apr. 20, 1791; Margret Ten Eyk, Feb. 14, 1793).
Eleanor Sutphen apparently remained in Somerset County, and married
Hendrick Ferdinandus Vanderveer ca 1799. He was the son of Ferdinandus
Vanderveer and Rebecca Ten Eyck, and a 1st cousin of his bride.
They baptized the following children at Raritan (Somerville) DRC:
13 Jul 1800: [SCHQ] Van Dervere, Henry and Ellenor Sutfin--Ferdinand.
14 May 1802: [SCHQ] V.Dervere, Hendrick and Elenor Sutfin--Cornelius.
1 Jul 1804: [SCHQ] V.Dervere, Hendrick and Elenor Sutfin--Joanna
Ten Eyck.
31 Aug 1806: [SCHQ] V.Dervere, Hendrick and Elenor Sutfin--Elenor.
28 Aug 1808: [SCHQ] V. Der Veer, Henry and Elenor Sutfin--Henry.
22 Nov 1810: [SCHQ] V. Devere, Hendrick and Elenor Sutfin--John Sutfin.
27 Dec 1812: [SCHQ] Van Der Vere, Hendrick and Elenor Sutfin--Matthew.
20 Apr 1817: [SCHQ] V.Dervere, Hendrick and Elenor Sutfin--William
Tenant.
Best regards,
Pam
Hello SCOL Cousins,
It is with great sadness that I inform my wonderful SCOL cousins of the
passing of my Mother, Dora Blanche WADE Sutphin (b. 10 Oct 1907, d. 2 Feb
2001) age 93, formerly of Roanoke, VA and for the past fifteen years,
Libertytown, MD. Dora was predeceased by her father and mother, John Henry
Wade and Martha Ann CANNADAY Wade. She is survived by her loving husband of
73 years, James Glenn Sutphin; two sons, Donald G. Sutphin of Jacksonville,
FL, and Michael Wayne Sutphin of Libertytown, MD; three granddaughters,
Linda B. Sutphin Dodson and husband Bobby of Clifton, VA, Donna G. Sutphin
McDonough and husband Kerry of Jacksonville, FL, and Amanda L. Sutphin of
Libertytown, MD; four great grandchildren; and a brother, Thomas W. Wade of
Ferrum, VA.
The family will receive friends on two occasions: Hartzler's Funeral Home,
Libertytown, MD from 7 to 9 p.m. Tuesday, 6 February 2001; and Lotz Funeral
Home, Salem, VA from noon-2 p.m. Thursday, 8 February. Internment will be in
the Sherwood Memorial Park, Salem, VA immediately after the Thursday
viewing, following a short grave-side service.
Mother passed away without pain, without struggle, and very quietly as
James, Donald, and Michael comforted her. Her faith sustained her and her
family throughout these many years, and now she is at peace and resting for
eternity with her Maker, whom she loved and worshipped during her entire
life.
We appreciate your prayers for our family in this time of sorrow.
Michael
Could you ask "Marie" if I could have her online address to get the L.A.CAL
list? I need some information from Los Angeles, CA and didn't know they had
a list. I can't get to the 1942 newspapers from there, and need it for the
Johnsten family story. Thanks Lois Johnsten "mailto:johnsten@micrord.com"
Roseboom is in Otsego County and has a Low family burial
plot which includes a stone for a Capt Peter Low 1750-1820 and wife
Johannah. I only skimmed the original posts, so don't recall if this is
the right Capt. or not.
This is a listing of Early Settlers compiled from "History of Otsego Co."
by D. Hamilton HURD' published 1878.
"http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyotsego/"
Use search engine to get all info on surname as they appear in both
mini-bios & bios without connection to each other.
Town of Roseboom from Cherry Valley 1854
LOW, Cornelius 1818
SUTPHEN, JohnLOW, Peter
STUPHEN, Peter
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And, more from Dorothy--Dear Karen, I can not identify your Peter Low, but
I can give you some
dates and places that may help in the long run.
On page 312 of "Calendar of New Jersey Wills, 1771-1780" we learn that
Peter Sutfin of Bedminster, Somerset Co., NJ, died intestate. The court
recorded this fact on 25 Oct 1777. The administrators were Johannah
Sutfin (presumably the widow) and Peter Sutfin. The fellow bondsman was
Jacob Ten Eyck.
On 13 Oct 1780 the admiistrators submitted their report to the court --
Peter Sutfin and Johanna Sutfin, now "Johanna Low".
So we know that Johanna married Peter Low sometime before 13 Oct 1780.
On page 388 of the "Calendar of NJ Wills, 1781-1785" appears the will of
Johanna's father. This confirms the fact that she was, indeed, Johanna
(Ten Eyck) Sutphen Low. On 29 Sep 1783 Mathias Ten Eick of Bridgewater,
Somerset County, yeoman, wrote his will. He mentions his wife "Nelle" and
the names of his children, among them -- "...to daughter, Johannah, the
wife of Peter Low, and her children, one-seventh, except her eldest son,
Peter, who shall have no share..."
In the April 1932 issue (Volume 63, number 2) of "The New York
Genealogical & Biographical Record" a lengthy article about the Ten Eyck
family begins. It was written by Henry Waterman George. On page 163 Mr.
George identifies this Matthew Ten Eyck as the son baptized on 21 Feb 1720
in the Raritan DRC, NJ, the son of Andries Ten Eyck and Ariaantje
Chrispel. Matthew/Mathias married Neeltje Tennisen on 12 Feb 1740. She
was the "wife, Nelle" of Mathias' 1783 will.
The parents of Peter Sutphen, Johanna Ten Eyck's first husband, were Peter
Sutphen and Catherine Woertman. In 1760 Peter Sutphen bought land
bordering on that of Matthew Ten Eyck in Somerset County, NJ. So JOhanna
Ten Eyck married the boy next door :-). I found the baptism of Johanna
Ten Eyck in the Readington DRC on 8 Dec 1751. Her parents are listed as
"Mattheus Ten Eyk and Neeltje".
In your message you said that Peter [Low] and Johanna [Ten Eyck] had 14
children. Now that we have established the near relatives of Johanna Ten
Eyck, maybe the naming patterns of their children will point the way to
identifying your Peter Low.
Do you have the names of the 14 children and the order of their birth?
Dorothy
SUTPHIN, Grover Lee, 72, of Christiansburg, died Wednesday, February 14,
> > 2001 in a Montgomery County hospital. Surviving are a brother, Carl
> Sutphin,
> > and two sisters, Ethel Fizer and Sallie Duncan, all of Christiansburg,
> along
> > with several nieces and nephews. Funeral services will be Saturday,
> February
> > 17, 2001 at 11 a.m. from the DeVilbiss Funeral Chapel with Rev. Randy
> > Woolwine officiating. Interment will follow in the family cemetery in
> > Montgomery County. The family will receive friends from 6 until 8 p.m.
> > Friday, February 16, 2001 at the DeVilbiss Funeral Home, Radford.
Hello Kenneth,
This site is registered to "http://phillip-hatcher.com" I have used it to connect my Sutphin Cousins Site to, but very limited, "http://pages.zdnet.com/hatchphil/sutphincousinsphotoalbum/"
How about you guys giving it the once over, and make some suggestions on what you would like to see on it, Joe I still have the RV Site up at "http://home.talkcity.com/LibertySt/burt33513/" Let me know if you have any trouble getting in. Phil
To see my Web site please click on one of the links below:
"http://phillip-hatcher.com"
Hello Everyone,
I just want to thank all of you for your kind expressions of sympathy
regarding the recent passing of my Mother. On behalf of my entire family, we
thank you from the bottom of our hearts. I received so many notes from my
SCOL cousins... all of which I passed along to the immediate family.
I want to extend a special thank you to cousin Gary Sutphin, who traveled
all the way to Libertytown to be with us at the viewing here. Gary, my
brother and I just thought that was a wonderful thing for you to do. Also, a
very special thank you to cousins Sherry Mullin and Gary Marshall... who
traveled to the viewing in Roanoke. Words can not express how we felt about
such kindness. It was especially nice for me to get to meet both of you in
person.
Once again... SCOL has proven itself to be the best group of cousins on the
Internet... bar none.
Our deepest gratitude to all of you,
Glenn, Don, Mike and families
Although I haven't been able to get past my gg grandfather to make a
connection I would like to report the death of my wife, Hildreth
Sharretts Smith on the 8th of this month. We have 4 1/2 children and 16
grandchildren-she will be missed by all. Bill Smith
I regret to have to inform the Cousins that my grandfather, William Earl
"Mick" Burnett died about 3:30 am December 12, 2000. He would have been 98
years old had he lived until his birthday in March. I'm not sure what the
"official" cause of death will be on the death certificate, but it pretty
much comes down to he plain wore out, both physically and, at the end,
emotionally.
Grandpa was the great-grandson of Anna Marie Sutphin (who was the daughter
of Owen Sutphin and granddaughter of Hendrick Sutphin & Rachel Owen). He was
born and lived almost his whole life in Eastern Oregon, although he had
vivid memories of the family moving to Alaska in August of 1908.
He died at home on his farm in Stanfield, Umatilla Co, OR, as he wished,
with little fuss and only minor discomfort. His ashes, and those of my
grandmother, who died in 1995, will be buried in the cemetery in Stanfield,
their home of many years, and a memorial service will be held for Grandpa
March 24.
Survivors include two sisters, Lois and Crystal; 2 daughters and a son,
eight grandchildren and eight great-grandchildren. His wife Ruth, daughter
Kay, 4 brothers and 2 sisters preceded him in death. He was much loved and
will be greatly missed.
Ken, You dont know how much I appreciated the letter you wrote, I thought I was getting carried away with all those Advertisements , I found some more material for the Veterans page, & the pictures you sent are on the 3rd page I think, I put them up the same day you sent them. It really is hard to find stuff to put on a web site, and the tin plate wont let you put a picture or Tex in the places you would like to put them, So it makes it hard to make a page that is lined up the way you would like it to be. Thanks Again, Phil. --
http://pages.zdnet.com/hatchphil/sutphincousinsphotoalbum/Been a long time since I was with Ya'll. Started a new job, last week, small
family Printing business; one of ink suppliers is BRADEN SUTPHIN Ink Co. I
spoke briefly with Albert(Cal ) Sutphin Jr. Seems his Grandfather immigrated
here in 1913 from Zutphen, Holland. I told him our family name originally was
Van Zutphen, he was quite joyous as this is also his Family name. They have
the Van Zutphen Family Coat of Arms hanging in their home. He said the next
time he was in our area he would bring me a book on his family. Perhaps some
connections, perhaps not. His Business card has him out of Richmond, however
he told me he was from Maryland I believe.Updates as they come.
Randy
Sutphin
Hello Randy, good to hear from you again. Sometime ago, years actually, we
were having a discussion of Braden Sutphin Ink. I know Ted in Gettysburg
was involved. Reminds me, we have not heard from Ted since he found the
Sutphen Firetruck site and ordered the Sutphen nameplates for his vehicle.
Anyway, it will be interesting to find where this gentleman fits into our
family. If the family only immigrated in this century, he can probably
connect to "our" D. J. van Zutphen line in Holland. How exciting. Please
keep us informed.
Regards,
Mary Anne
Mary Anne and All,
I thought you might have some idea who her husband's parents were. His
name was Larry Leon Goad, born about 1940 and died 2/1996 in Bassett, VA.
Amazingly, I have no idea who his parents are. If anyone has an idea,
please let me know.
Jody
At 04:11 PM 2/23/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>This was on another list yesterday and in the "Roanoke Times", there were=
so
>many familiar Carroll County names, I am forwarding it as I know it fits
>somewhere in our extended Sutphin family.
>Regards all,
>Mary Anne
>
>> Surname: Goad, Mabry, Gibson, McFarland, Lewis, Bolt, Baker, Spangler,
>> Dalton, Branscome
>> -------------------------
>>
>> GOAD, Carol Lou, 56, of Willis, passed away Wednesday, February 21, 2001
>> at the Waddell Nursing Home, Galax. She is survived by five daughters,
>> Belinda Mabry of Barren Springs, Lisa Goad of Hillsville, Cynthia Gibson
>> of Woodlawn, Susan McFarland of Galax, Tina Lewis of Woodlawn; five
>brothers,
>> Douglas L. Bolt of Radford, Nelson R. Bolt of Willis, James G. Bolt of
>> Check, Maynard E. Bolt of Hiwassee, Michael W. Bolt of Willis; four
>sisters,
>> Nelda S. Baker of Willis, Iris Spangler of Hillsville, Faye Dalton of
>Hillsville,
>> Gloria Branscome of Pinnacle, N.C.; eight grandchildren. Funeral service
>> 11 a.m. Saturday, February 24, 2001 at the Vaughan-Guynn-McGrady Chapel
>> with burial in Buffalo Mountain Cemetery at a later date. The family will
>> receive friends from 6 to 8 p.m. Friday at the Vaughan-Guynn-McGrady
>Chapel,
>> Hillsville, Va.
>>
>> =A9 2000 The Roanoke Times
>>
This was on another list yesterday and in the "Roanoke Times", there were so
many familiar Carroll County names, I am forwarding it as I know it fits
somewhere in our extended Sutphin family.
Regards all,
Mary Anne
Mary Anne,
This is a daughter of Dallas Bolt of Carroll County, which I think is
the son of Velma Bolt-Sutphin.
Roger C. Morris
Seeking info. about
CHARITY SUTPHEN
d/o John Sutphen
b. 6 Jul 1766
d. 26 Jun 1848, Hoosick, Rensselaer Co., NY
md. GARRETT LAKE
b. 8 Mar 1753, Somerset Co., NJ
Children:
Johanah
Mariah, b. 1789
James, b. 5 Jan 1791, White Creek, Washington Co., NY
John
Any help much appreciated.
Lyn
Seeking info. about
CHARITY SUTPHEN
d/o John Sutphen ?
b. 6 Jul 1766
d. 26 Jun 1848, Hoosick, Rensselaer Co., NY
md. GARRETT LAKE
s/o Jacobus Lake
b. 8 Mar 1753, Somerset Co, NJ
Children:
Johanah
Mariah, b. 1789
James, b. 5 Jan 1791, White Creek, Washington Co., NY
John
Any help much appreciated.
Lyn
The following was on the Blackard-L. I thought the Owen/Owens information
was interesting, . I am just passing the information on in event someone
would like to compare notes.
# 1, it has never been proven Mary Owen, w/o Owen Owen, was a GOOD or a
GOAD. A Goad would not surprise me, as they were in the Virginia valley very
early.
Regards all,
Mary Anne
> This is the info that I got that traces this branch of the Owen family
back
> to New Castle, Pennsylvania from Wales.
> -Andy
>
>
>
> Ahnentafel Chart for Daniel Sutphin
>
>
> First Generation
>
> 1. Daniel Sutphin1,2,3 was born4,5,6 on 7 Jan 1811 in Bedford Co, Va. He
> died7,8,9 on 15 Apr 1897 in Wythe Co, Va and was buried10 in Apr 1897 in
> Lutheran Cem, Kimberlin, Wythe Co, Virginia.
>
> Date born 2: January 07, 1811
> Died 2: May 15, 1897, Wythe Co, Virginia
> Burial 1: April 1897, Lutheran Cem,Kimberlin, Wythe Co, Virginia
> Burial 2: 1897, Wythe Co, Virginia
>
>
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> *******
> CHURCH RECORDS
>
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> *******
> 1854, Zion Lutheran Church membership roll, on Cripple Creek in SW part of
> Wythe Co, Virginia
>
> Listed on membership roll of Zion Lutheran Church, on Cripple Creek in SW
> portion of Wythe Co, Va, in 1854.
> His son, Elkanah, is listed on the 1860 roll of the same church, along
with
> A.C. Blackard -Sandra
>
>
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> *******
> US AND STATE CENSUS RECORDS
>
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> *******
> 1840 SUTPHIN DANIEL Wythe County VA 090 No Township Listed Federal
> Population Schedule
> 1860 SUTPHIN DANIEL Carroll County VA 852 Dry Spur P.O. Federal Population
> Schedule
>
> Children of JANE BLACKARD and DANIEL SUTPHIN are:
> i. ALMEDIA4 SUTPHIN, b. 1832, Wythe Co., VA; d. February 24, 1884.
> ii. ELKANAH SUTPHIN, b. February 04, 1835, Wythe Co., VA; d. May 31,
> 1912, Sugar Run, Lee Co., VA; m. MARGARET ELLEN UMBARGER, May 30,
> 1867, Wythe Co., VA; b. Abt. 1845; d. Sugar Run, Lee Co., VA.
>
> -KET
>
>
> Daniel married13 Dilcy "Jane" Blackard11,12, daughter of
> Willoughby/Willyoube Blackard and Susan Owens, about 1830 in Va. Dilcy was
> born14,15 in 1799 in Rockingham Co, Nc. She died on 12 Feb 1876 in Marion,
> Smyth Co, Virginia.
>
>
> Second Generation
>
> 2. Hendrick Henry Sutphin16,17 was born18,19 in 1768 in New Jersey. He
> died20,21 on 12 Feb 1857 in BURKS FORK, CARROLL COUNTY VA. Hendrick
> married22,23 Rachel Owen on 20 Dec 1788 in Bedford, Co, Va.
>
> Death2: April 15, 1897
>
> Husband: Hendrick Sutphin
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Born: 1768 at: NJ
> Married: 17 DEC 1788 at: Bedford Co., VA
> Died: 1857 at: VA Father: Mother: Other Spouses:
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Wife: Rachel Owen
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Born: 1772 at: Bedford Co., VA
> Died: 1845 at: Carroll Co., VA Father:Owen Owen
> Mother:Mary Goad Other Spouses:
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> CHILDREN
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Name: John B. Sutphin Born: 29 DEC 1790 at: Bedford Co., VA
> Married: 1812 at: Died: 12 NOV 1875 at: Carroll Co.,
VA
> Spouses: Celia Leah Hylton
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Name: Hendrick P. Sutphin, Jr. Born: ABT. 1794 at: Bedford
Co., VA
> Married: JAN 1816 at: Montgomery Co., VA
> Died: at: Spouses: Mary Ann Polly Keith
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Name: Mary Polly Sutphin Born: 1794 at: Bedford Co., VA
> Married: 1812 at: Died: 3 JAN 1859 at: Floyd Co.,
VA
> Spouses: Nehemiah Prather
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Name: Owen Sutphin Born: 1796 at: Bedford Co., VA
> Married: 13 APR 1816 at: Patrick Co., VA
> Died: 28 FEB 1873 at: Carroll Co., VA Spouses: Sarah Thompson
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Name: Christopher Sutphin Born: BET. 1798 - 1802 at: Bedford Co., VA
> Married: 2 FEB 1819 at: Montgomery Co., VA
> Died: AFT. 1890 at: Spouses: Susannah Harman
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Name: William Tyler Sutphin Born: 13 JUN 1799 at: Bedford Co.,
VA
> Married: 21 OCT 1819 at: Patrick Co., VA
> Died: 14 AUG 1874 at: Carroll Co., VA Spouses: Nancy Mabry
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Name: Catherine Sutphin Born: BET. 1800 - 1810 at: Bedford Co., VA
> Married: 13 MAR 1825 at: Grayson Co., VA
> Died: at: Floyd Co., VA Spouses: Archeleous McPeak
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Name: Hannah Sutphin Born: 6 NOV 1803 at: Bedford Co., VA
> Married: 22 AUG at: Rowan Co., NC
> Died: 22 MAY 1865 at: Floyd Co., VA Spouses: John Alderman
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Name: Elizabeth Eleanor Sutphin
> Born: 1806 at: Bedford Co., VA
> Married: 20 AUG 1822 at: Grayson Co., VA
> Died: AFT. 1873 at: Patrick Co., VA Spouses: Thomas Blackard
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Name: Thomas B. Sutphin Born: 29 SEP 1808 at: Bedford Co., VA
> Married: 6 JAN 1831 at: Montgomery Co., VA
> Died: BEF. 1880 at: Carroll Co., VA Spouses: Rachel Montgomery
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Name: Daniel Sutphin Born: 7 JAN 1811 at: Bedford Co., VA
> Married: at: Died: 15 APR 1897 at: Carroll Co.,
VA
> Spouses: Dilcey Jane Blackard
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Name: Nancy Sutphin Born: 6 NOV 1812 at: Floyd Co., VA
>
> Married: 15 MAY 1831 at: Grayson Co., VA
> Died: 3 JUN 1891 at: Carroll Co., VA Spouses: William Montgomery
>
>
> 3. Rachel Owen24,25,26 was born27,28 in 1772 in Bedford or Carroll Co,
Va..
> She died29,30 in 1845 in Carroll, Co, Va and was buried31 in Tate Goad
Cem.
>
>
> Third Generation
>
> 4. Ancestor Sutphin.
>
> 6. Owen , Jr Owen32 was born33 WFT Est 1712-1742 in NEW CASTLE PA. He
> died34 WFT Est 1774-1827. Owen married35 Jane Hughes WFT Est 1736-1786.
>
> 7. Jane Hughes36 was born37 WFT Est 1730-1753. She died38 WFT Est
1775-1841.
>
>
> Fourth Generation
>
> 12. Owen , Sr Owen39 was born40 in 1690 in NEW CASTLE PA. He died41 in
1741
> in PA. Owen married42 Anne Wood WFT Est 1707-1733.
>
> 13. Anne Wood43 was born44 WFT Est 1686-1705. She died45 WFT Est
1712-1790.
>
>
> Fifth Generation
>
> 24. Edward Owen46 was born47 WFT Est 1639-1668 in DOLGELLY, MERIONESHIRE,
> WALES. He died48 in 1716. Edward married49 Hannah Baxter WFT Est
1665-1704.
>
> 25. Hannah Baxter50 was born51 WFT Est 1648-1671 in TALBOT COUNTY
MARYLAND.
> She died52 WFT Est 1693-1759.
>
>
> Sixth Generation
>
> 48. Robert Owen53 was born54 WFT Est 1599-1642. He died55 WFT Est
> 1639-1723. Robert married56 Jane Vaughn WFT Est 1625-1678.
>
> 49. Jane Vaughn57 was born58 WFT Est 1606-1645. She died59 WFT Est
1639-1729.
>
>
> Seventh Generation
>
> 96. Humphrey Owen60 was born61 WFT Est 1561-1615 in DOLGELLY,
> MERIONETHSHIRE, WALES. He died62 WFT Est 1599-1693. Humphrey was married
was
> married63 WFT Est 1585-1650.
Could someone tell me if the b-m-d records for Harlingen DRC have been
extracted and, if so, where they might be found?
Failing that, are the original records available for research and, if so,
where are they located?
Thanks a bunch.
Lyn
thanks for information. If Hendrix and Rachel were married in Bedford =
and Owen Owen and Mary signed the bond. do you think the Goads lived in =
Bedford also?? Just a thought. Joan
Hi:
You might try the State Archives where the individual enlisted. I
was told that here in NY some items are at SARA. You can actually search
on-line. Its been a while since I used the site and some revisions have
been made, could possibly be easier now. I am sure the URL would change for
each state but a search engine would bring up the one for the State in question.
Ina SI was ready a poem written by an ancestor of the "Battle of Zutphin"
in 1586. Anyone heard of this. Something about the English and the
Dutch.
Brenda
"http://www.vfw.org/vfw_links/vfwdepartments.shtml"
This link goes to a Veterans of Foreign Wars page that has a drop-down menu,
which lists the states. When you choose a state, it gives you a list of the
VFW posts in that state.
The reason I thought of the VFW is that my family once gave them some
documents and some belongings that had belonged to a cousin who had fought
in the Spanish-American War.
There is no guarantee that they can help, but in some cases, they might.
Steve
Mary Anne:
I was searching on the Tri-County site, Tioga-Bradford Co.s PA and
Chemung Co. NY site, and found Owen family listed in a couple of places. I
didn't copy the info but if you go to the following URL you might find
something on them. Also I had not performed a search on that surname and
that could bring up more information. I also believe I have seen the
surname "Goad" on this site......another possiblity.
In going through old letters I found reference to a Barton Sutphin, thought
to be son of Josh Sutphin. Josh Sutphin had a hobby of making flowers from
horse hair and had made a whole mantel over their fireplace from horsehair.
Anyone heard of such? Thank you. Lois in Nebraska
Lois
I've seen quite a few pioneer shadow boxes with human hair flowers.
Sounds kind of creepy, but they sure hated to "waste" anything.
Brenda
I have a Hair Wreath from the Sutfin side of the family with a list of
names of the people who contributed hair for it. Bill Smith
I just heard of the death of our dear friend, Essie Spence Goad. She passed
away at Twin County Hospital, Galax, this morning. There is no word on
arrangements as yet, I will send later.
Genealogy and Carroll History has lost another icon.
Regards,
Mary While I did not have the Honor, and it must have been an honor , to know Mrs.
Essie;
my condolences to her family and friends. May her triumphs in genealogy live
on through SCOL, her stories, her memories. As long as there is SCOL, Mrs.
Essie will always be among us.
May Gods Blessings Be Brought to
All of You
Randy
Dear Cousins ;
A week ago I sent the copies of the Sutphen records I had out to those
of you who asked for them. Did everyone who asked for them receive
them?
Susan Sutphen
Hi Sue,
If I asked for them, I didn't get them. Could you
re-send? Thanks.
Phil, no word on arrangements yet. Frank is in the west, NEB?? so it will
take time for him to get here.
I will let you know as soon as I hear.
This is such a sad day for all of us who knew her.
Mary Anne
I give my condolences to family&friends of aunt essie ,cousin SAMUEL
TOLBERT/,may god send his comforter to comfort you in your time of grief an
loss.
Phil
The Tribute on your Home page is beautiful....The world of Genealogy has
lost a truly great asset. I grew up with Mrs.Essie just over the hill... I
spent many a time listening to Mrs.Essie and Mom talking and deliberating
over who is buried in this or that cemetery and whom to question to find out
why.. I have seen them go over fences and fend off cattle to get to old
forgotten cemeteries all in the name of "I Know he is buried there !!" I
am to this day still in awe of those Wonderful notebooks which held so many
answers to so many questions... She was a Kind, Caring Woman with always a
"Hello, how is the family" and a "Come see me"......I have no doubt that
Mrs. Essie is with the people she wrote about, I also Have not a doubt...she
still has that notebook at her side....
Many of us will feel her absence.
My Thoughts and prayers are with the family
Donna Sutphin Armentrout
Essie Spence Goad, 91, of Dugspur passed away Friday, March 2, 2001 in Twin
County Hospital. She was born December 8, 1909 in Floyd County to George
Hylton Spence and Martha Lea Cain Spence. She was preceded in death by her
parents; husband Edgar "Ed" Goad on June 4, 1973, a son Eugene Randolph Goad
on December 29, 1944; three brothers and two sisters. She is survived by
three sons, Edgar Hugh Goad, Dugspur, Frank Woodson Goad, McCook, Nebraska,
and Buddy George Goad, Willis. Daughter Rose Lea Lineback, King NC.; foster
son Roger Dale Robertson, Auburn, Ala.; ten grandchildren, three foster
grandchildren; fifteen great grandchildren; two sisters Beulah Blum, St.
Petersburg, Fla., and Francis Horton of New Port Richey, Fla.; two brothers
John D. Spence, North East, MD and Jack Spence of Hamptonville, NC.
She was a Daughter of the American Revolution, Family viewing will be Monday
night from 7-9 p.m. March 5 at Vaughan-Guynn-McGrady Funeral Home in
Hillsville. Funeral Service will be Tuesday, March 6 at 1 p.m. at Liberty
Bible Church on Dugspur Road(638) Laurel Fork, conducted by Pastor Harold
Fenstermaker, Bryan Childress and S.G. Bolt. Burial will be in the Spence
Cemetery on Dugspur Road, (638) Dugspur, Carroll County. In lieu of flowers,
the family requests memorials be made for the care of the Spence Cemetery,
which Essie and their father have continually cared for, for many years.
Memorials may be given or mailed to daughter Rosa Lea Linebeck at 325
Northfield Drive, King, NC., 27021.
If you have anything on the Sutphin's in the Detroit area, I would be
interested. I am looking in particular for Hal and Blanche Sutphin.
They lived and died in the Detroit area, after moving there from Virden,
Ill. There were two other brothers, Lester and Ivan, but Lester moved to
Fla, and Ivan to Calif. They were my wife's uncles. Hal's children
still live in the Detroit area.
Thanks for sharing any information you may have.
David L. Carstens
<"mailto:hopelcdeaf@juno.com">
Hi SCOLers,
I'd like to mention a site that has at least a few Sutphins on it - mine!
My Virginia Sutphins are included in the searchable tree, and the Sutphin
link shows text, with Van Zutphen information in the bottom part - so scroll
down the text page to read that.
Thanks to Mary Anne for her help with the Virginia information.
Debbie Wood and I collaborated on my site, so she gets the credit for the
graphic design and for the searchable tree. You can blame me for the
research.
I did not rely on CD info, and no part of the searchable tree was imported
from any CD or from any other site.
There are some old pictures there, and you're all invited to take a look.
Steve --
"http://wood6d.homestead.com/wwwizard.html"Hi, y'all,
Does anybody have anything further on
Charles SUTPHIN -married Minnie COLE
(1885-1929), D/O Tempy LAWRENCE & H. Valentine COLE.
They reportedly lived in Floyd Co., VA.
Thanks,
Steve
Charles, "Charlie," s/o Sidney and Delilah McGrady Sutphin. He married 1907
to Chattie Quesenberry, d/o Rufus and Elizabeth Stanley Quesenberry. After
her death he married Minnie Cole, d/o H.V. and Tempie Cole.In 1924. In 1931,
he married Clydie Cannaday, a widow, d/o George and Florence Jamison Bramer.
Help any?
Mary Anne
Our granddaughter Tina Ann Nuygen 23 years of age was killed in a ford =
explorer rollover yesterday afternoon. She left a four year old son.
Wyona Moon
I'm so sorry, Wyona. Our thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.
Susan CaseWynona,
My heartfelt sympathy to you and yours. You will indeed be in my thoughts
and prayers.
Lyn
Our prayers are definately with you. We lost our 23 year old son
a little over two years ago. there is no pain that matches what
you feel..
My heartfelt sympathies are with you. Our 22 year old daughter died 9 years
ago, so I understand your pain. Lean on your friends for support. they want
to help. Later on you may want to contact the Compassionate Friends group in
your area. They can provide you with much needed support.
SandyWyona and Family,
Our family extends our deepst sympathy to you and your family. Our prayers
are certainly with you at this terrible and tragic time.
Sincerely,
Glenn, Amanda, and MikeWyona,
My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family. I am so very
sorry.
Becky Cripe
Yorba Linda, CAWyona
You and Your family are in my thoughts and Prayers,If we may be of any
comfort please do not hesitate to ask.
Sincerely
Donna Sutphin Armentrout and FamilyWyona,
Please accept my condolences in this very difficult time. You and yours are
in my thoughts and my prayers.
SteveWe want to thank you all. Tina Ann's funeral will be Wednesday at 11:00. =
She was on life support until 2:00 Monday morning.=20
Thanks again
Wyona
May God bless your family, and keep you in His strength. Our prayers go out
for your grandaughter and for her parents and grandparents. You were
blessed with her in your lives, I am sure. Your cousin, Lois in Nebraska
Wyona,
Stan and my prayers are with you and your family.
BevHi Phil, thanks for passing on the query. Katherine Alderman is correct for
Josh Reynolds spouse. How does this person connect? Through which child?
Joshua died fairly young, Katherine was the only known marriage.
Joshua's brother Jesse Reynolds married Rachel Sutphin, d/o Owen and Sarah
Thompson Sutphin. My information for them is very scant and I am always
looking.
Regards,
Mary Anne
> >
> >I found some of your family tree on Ancestry.com tonight, and it is
> >part of my husband's tree also. He is the gggrandson of Asa Barton
> >Reynolds. I show Asa's parents as Joshua M. Reynolds and Catherine
> >Baker. You have his parents as Joshua M. Reynolds and Catherine D.
> >Alderman. Did Joshua have two wives that you know of? I have a
> >brother for Asa - Myllard F., which you also show, but I don't have
> >any of the other siblings.
> >
> >Any help that you could give to help clarify this for me would be
> >greatly appreciated. I might have some other info that you would be
> >interested in.
Charles L. Sutphin s/o of Tempie Alice Sutphin?
b.? d ca 1949 Carroll Co. Va.
buried Bill Sutphin Cem., Carroll Co. Va.
married 22 Sep 1899 Carroll Co. Va
Mary E Goad d/o John Henry Goad & Lucy Isabell Turman
b. ca 1874/5 Carroll Co. Va. d. ca 1981 Carroll Co. Va.
Buried Bill Sutphin Cem., Carroll Co. Va.
known children:
1. John E
b. ca 1905 d. ca 1932 Carroll Co. Va.
buried Bill Sutphin Cem., Carroll Co. Va.
2. Liona F.
b. ca 1910 d. ca 1910 Carroll Co. Va.
buried Bill Sutphin Cem., Carroll Co. Va.
3. Liona Florence
b. 23 Aug 1915 Carroll Co. Va. d. 25 May 1917 Carroll Co. Va.
buried?
Sharon
Templeton A. Sutphin, (I always the the A was Ann,) d/o William T. "Tyler
Bill" Sutphin and Nancy Mabry.
Tempie born 17 july 1838, died 8 Apr 1909.
Charlie L. Sutphin, 1872-1949, Mary Goad Sutphin, 1874-1918. I only find one
Liona F Sutphin, 1910-1910.
There are a number of unmarked graves in this cemetery.
John and Sarah Sutphin Bolt among them. It is said all the Bolt daughters
are buried here.
Ref. Lois Dalton Goad, d/o Crockett Dalton and America Bolt.
Regards,
Mary Anne
Pat Baker wrote:
>
> Hope to make it up to NJ in May and was wondering who might live in NJ or who
> might have researched in NJ, to give me some pointers on how to proceed. You
> can e-mail me privately if you like. Thanks in advance. Pat Baker
Hi Pat:
I have direct SUTPHIN ancestry in the Ringoes/Raeville/Wertsville area
of Hunterdon County.
I am also planning on a visit to NJ in May but no definite date as of
yet. My wife Shirley and I stay with her brother who lives in
Willingboro in Burlington County.
Since I have already researched my line, are there any specific
questions you have that I might be able to help with?
Regards,
Bill Morrow in Houston, TX (native of NJ)Hello Everyone,
Yes... the SCOL Administrator lives, in spite of rumors to the contrary.
Needless to say, my personal life has overtaken me the past few months.
However, all seems to be getting better now, and we just celebrated my Dad's
(James Glenn Sutpin) 96th birthday.
Today, we welcome five cousins to our list. We are so glad when new folks
join our group. Here are their notes to me:
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Hello Mike
I would like to have some information on the begining of the Sutphin family.
I am not a close member but a cousin from Elizabeth Snook who married
William Sutphen (Plulphen) From the beginning of the family to
about1780's.
Thank you,
Virginia Koepplinger
"mailto:koep@worldnet.att.net"
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Hi Mike -
My brother, Jay Sutphin told me about this web site. I'm interested in
learning more about the Sutphin Family name and history. Please add me to
the SCOL group .
Thank you,
Cheryl (Cheri) Sutphin Hahn
"mailto:Hahnca@aol.com"
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Hi, Mike,
I was born Julia Sutphin and would love to be a part of your group. I have
traced back as far as William Sutphin, Sr. (b.1761, NJ - d. 1831, Carroll
County, VA) -- I am so excited about getting more information!!!!
Thanks -- and great job on the website!
Julia Sutphin
"mailto:Juliatort@aol.com"
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Hi,
I am trying to trace my husband's Mother's people. His mother was a
Supthin. My sister-in-law has provided me with some infromation and
suggested I join this group for more information. Thanks for any help you
can provide at a later date. My Mother-in-law's name was Marilla Elizabeth
Supthin before marriage. Her Father is listed as Basil Sutphin and her
Mother as Annie Sutphin from Deepwater, WVa.
Fran Staubs
"mailto:NANNIEDOC@aol.com"
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Mike,
I don't know if you remember me but I was on your list a while back. I
ran into some problems and had to leave SCOL for a while but am back now. I
would like to join again. I would like for you to send a separate email
containing me family tree. I am trying to put together a scrap book for my
daughter. Also; If possible, I would like to know if you can add my wife
and little girl to the family tree. If so, I will send you the information
that you need. Just let me know what you need.
Thanks,
Bobby Sutphin
"mailto:btsutphin@mindspring.com"
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I want to extend a warm welcome to our new cousins... and a welcome back to
Bobby Sutphin. This is a fine list, and I'm sure our SCOL cousins can offer
some help to each of you as you research your families.
That's all for now...
MikeWelcome to the new cousins and welcome back Bobby.
It is good to hear from Mike our coordinator, and know everything is well.
Happy Birthday to his father Glenn. 96 years old, that is wonderful.
I was excited to see TWO members of the William Sutphin family join us. We
are in need of so much information on his family.
Julia, what line do you descend from?
Fran, have we talked before?
Virginia, please tell us more of your William Sutphin (Plulphin) That is a
spelling I have not looked under.
Again, welcome to all of you.
Regards,
Mary Anne
Dear Mary Anne,
I am descended from William Sutphin - born 12/20/1761 in New Jersey, died
1831 Carroll Co., VA -- wife Alcey -- basically unknown. There are so many
William Sutphins that it's hard to keep track! His son John moved to NC
during his lifetime. And until my great-aunt died, my line has continued in
the Mt. Airy area of NC.
From whom are you descended?
julia
Dear Julie,
Our Mary Sutphen was also born in New Jersey, Monmouth County, we belive, in
November of 1765 or 1766, reports vary. She married William Bryan (born
2-12-1761) and they moved to Amsterdam, Hunterdon County, NJ and had eleven
children.
Do you have any additional information about your William Sutphin - might he
have been Sutphen?
If so, please reply to
"mailto:jewelalizah@hotmail.com"
Thanks!
Jewel Alizah Bryan
Moline, IL
Julia, I am familiar with the NC Sutphins. Known to Scolers as "NC John." I
had the pleasure of meeting and knowing several of them. I have visited the
Sutphin/Midkiff Cemetery several times, you can just breathe the history
there. Who was your great aunt?
My husband descends from Hendrick and Rachel Owen Sutphin line. (Hendrick a
brother to your William Sutphin.)
Mary Anne
Julia, I did not ask, where did you find the birth date for William Sutphin?
We are not sure of the date of death. The lasst of his land was sold in
1842(working from memory) and signed by William Sutphin. We do not know if
it was William Jr. or William Sr.
Mary Anne
RE: William Sutphin's date of death -- I have received all my info off the
internet. There was also a record that in 1810 he was listed in the Bedford
County census, and in 1850 another William Sutphin, must be his son, was in
the Carroll County census. He, therefore, must have moved to VA prior to
1810. The land you mention must have been sold by William Sutphin, Jr. -- I
have his DOB as 1793, date of death - 5/1860. What do you know about this
land? Where was it? How much land? Sold why? For what amount? Farmland?
It's all so fascinating!
julia
Mary Anne,
If I have this straight, Hendrick, William, Jr. and John were all brothers --
I descend from John; the father of all 3 was William, Sr.
I would love to go to the Sutphin-Midkiff Cemetary. My great-aunt's name --
Aura Sutphin Gentle.
Where do you live, Mary Anne?
julia
What a priceless picture. Elizabeth Sutphin Sutphin is d/o William Jesse
"Jeppe" Sutphin and Sarah Moles.
The caption on the picture should be "Sister Cloe THOMPSON," not Thomas.
Mary Anne
Dear Don,
How exciting! How exactly were you related to Aura? Her brother Edgar
Joseph (or Joseph Edgar -- I've heard it both ways) was my grandfather. He
had 3 sons - Malcolm (my dad), Joseph, and Robert -- all deceased. My dad
had 2 daughters -- first Susan, and then me!
Where do you live Don? I'm in Peoria, IL.
Warm regards,
julia
Dear Mary Anne,
Yes, Aura Sutphin Gentle was a very special person -- and to know her
kindness was widespread is very heartwarming. My father use to spend his
summers with her when he was little. He was very close to her.
Someday I hope to make a pilgrimage back to Mt. Airy and surrounding parts to
visit -- with new meaning -- the hallowed ground of Sutphin ancestors!
MARY ANNE - YOU WROTE: My husband descends from Hendrick and Rachel Owen
Sutphin line. (Hendrick a brother to your William Sutphin.)
You do mean -- Hendrick -- William Sr's brother?
Warm regards,
julia
3 years ago, my grand daughter Linda had brain surgery. Everyone on line was
so kind to pray for her. She had lost her hearing from it. Now she has
another tumor on other side and it must be removed. She will undergo surgery
on the 18th. Please once again, be so kind as to do the same. Her name is
Linda Adams. She has a 3 year old daughter Destiny. Thanks so very much.
Kathleen
Researching the names of Deringer or Derringer, Dexheimer, Estes, Fulton,
Gilley, Gillming, Miska, Sumpter, Sutphin, Taggart, WolfWelcome Julia to SCOL. I am Lois Johnsten, and Mary Ann and I have compiled
books on descendants of brothers William, Sr and Hendrick Sutphin. They had
another brother, Solomon we cannot follow. The families of William, Sr and
Hendrick have intermarried so many times, they are like one big family now.
That is why we had to make so many volumes of our books, "Sutphin Cousins".
I am sure all the SCOL Virginia cousins would like to know exactly where
you got the death date for your William, Sr. For many years I have
considered the theory there were two men we were listing as the same
William, Sr. Your death date of 1860 would prove that theory. His brother,
Hendrick, died in 1857, so a death in 1860 would be logical. You said you
got most of your information off the Internet. Can you give us the address
so we can visit that site, too?
It is an exciting day when Julia Sutphin joined SCOL. Your cousin,
Lois in Nebraska "mailto:johnsten@micrord.com"I can answer the death date question. It comes from a grave marker in the
Turman Cemetery. We thought for years it was William Jr., he appeared in
1860 Surry Co NC Census. The census states (something to the effect) many
who died in 1860 were listed in this census. We were proven wrong when one
of the cousins found this William with second wife Ann in 1870 Surry census.
There is no death record in Surry for William Jr. that I could find. It is
possible it is William Sutphin Sr.'s grave, but impossible to prove.
Mary Anne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Johnsten's Account" <"mailto:johnsten@MICRORD.COM">
To: <"mailto:SCOL@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU">
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 11:24 AM
Subject: Hendrick and William
Hello Everyone,
Tonight I would like to introduce you to a new cousin... Adrian Cook. Here
is the note I received from Adrain:
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Dear Sutphen List Owners,
I am a Sutphen descendant and am trying to connect my ancestor to the
earlier Sutphens. I am interested in being placed on your distribution list
for E-Mail distributions, if that is possible.
My E-Mail address is "mailto:baldeagl@micron.net".
Thank you, Adrian B. Cook
------------------
Adrian, please feel free to post any questions you may have to the list. You
will find that your SCOL cousins will be very responsive.
Hope all are doing well,
MikeLois,
I'm so glad that Mary Anne was able to tell you where the date of death was
found. I must say that I have been so excited following "a trail" on the
internet that I just clicked to the next piece of info without noting an
address!
THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR ALL THE WELCOMES!
julia
Julia, My Grandmother was Martha Jane Sutphin Reynolds a sister of Aura and
Joseph Edgar. I think I may have and old photo of them together with their
mother. I may have a photo of their father Elijah Irvin Sutphin also. I
remember him and attended his funeral in 1963. I will look and see if I can
find them and send a copy to the group. I live near Winston-Salem, NC and
would be glad to take you around the old sites in the Surry Co., NC area if
you make a visit this way.
Cousin
Don Conoly
Hendrick Sutphin and William Sr.were brothers. William Sr. also had a son
Hendrick (WVA Hendrick) who Jane Harbour in Floyd County, VA. Shortly after
their marriage they moved to Boone Co. WVA. John, William Jr. and WVA.
Hendrick Sutphin were brothers
The William Sutphin, d. May 1860, we have no idea who it is. Buried on the
old William Sutphin land, near Dugspur VA. we assumed for years it was
William Sutphin Jr. Another SCOL found William Jr. in 1870 in Surry Co. NC.
1870 Census. Ooops, wrong William! That is a good lesson for never assuming
anything about the Sutphin family.
I knew Aura Sutphin Gentle. A lovely lady. She and Carl Sutphin, and several
other NC Sutphins, attended our Sutphin reunions in Hillsville several years
ago. I was so fortunate to have known them. Like many others of that
generation, there was not enough time to visit and learn all they knew about
the family.
I live in Carroll County, just up the mountain from Mount Airy. Aura is
buried in Sutphin/Midkiff Cemetery.
Regards,
Mary Anne
I checked out the falcons this morning. Fascinating. I live in Rochester,
NY, home of Kodak and there is a falcon nest on the top of one of their
building with a webcam also. I haven't heard if they are nesting this year
or not. Maybe it's a little early for us folks up north.
By the way, I recently put my updated GEDCOM on World Connect under
"suecase" with lots of NJ Suts. I'd be interested in any info or
corrections.
Sue
Did I ever ask the cousins from Virginia if they knew of a Callie Martin?
According to my research notes from the late 1970's Callie Martin was a
cousin in the 1920's[??how??], and was a family historian. Whoever gave me
her name didn't know how she was a cousin. I don't find her in the Sutphin
cousins but I know some of you have Martin family connections, or maybe
another Floyd, Montgomery, or Carroll County connection to Callie [maiden
name unknown] Martin. Her husband might have been Tom Martin, but I don't
know that for sure. Any help would be a blessing to me. Thank you. Lois
Johnsten "mailto:johnsten@micrord.com"Hendrick Sutphin and William Sr.were brothers. William Sr. also had a son
Hendrick (WVA Hendrick) who Jane Harbour in Floyd County, VA. Shortly after
their marriage they moved to Boone Co. WVA. John, William Jr. and WVA.
Hendrick Sutphin were brothers
The William Sutphin, d. May 1860, we have no idea who it is. Buried on the
old William Sutphin land, near Dugspur VA. we assumed for years it was
William Sutphin Jr. Another SCOL found William Jr. in 1870 in Surry Co. NC.
1870 Census. Ooops, wrong William! That is a good lesson for never assuming
anything about the Sutphin family.
I knew Aura Sutphin Gentle. A lovely lady. She and Carl Sutphin, and several
other NC Sutphins, attended our Sutphin reunions in Hillsville several years
ago. I was so fortunate to have known them. Like many others of that
generation, there was not enough time to visit and learn all they knew about
the family.
I live in Carroll County, just up the mountain from Mount Airy. Aura is
buried in Sutphin/Midkiff Cemetery.
Regards,
Mary Anne
Hi Joan. Hubbie is having quite the time with his legs. Although I do not
believe it is inherited, but the effects of heart attack and heart and
aneurysm surgery which followed. Veins were taken from both legs and doctor
agrees they may have been careless. He will need vascular surgery on the
legs, probably in the not distant future, his doctor also tells me as long
as I can keep him walking daily, even short walks, we can keep prolonging
it. He has had so much surgery in past years, we keep trying to avoid more.
There was a leg problem in the John Ingram Sutphin family. But I believe it
came from John I.'s wife, a Marshall. Do you know when the health problem
started in your family? I know Nell had difficulty, Covelia's wife? Covelia?
Post your line of Sutphins to the list, perhaps some of the cousins will see
a connection.
I agree, not old age!!!!!!!!!!!
Hugs,
Mary Anne
Have you read up on fibromyalgia? I'm pretty sure my dad would have been
diagnosed with it -- if they knew about it then. I'm not over 60, but my son
and I have fibromyalgia, and two of my sister's children have similar
problems. I've gotten a lot of relief with Nikken magnets -- that's a whole
other story.
Feel free to email me directly.
julia
"mailto:juliatort@aol.com"
I find this all so interesting....my Dad was the son of Priscilla
Sutphin....he had to retire from the coal mines because of leg problems, I
have 2 children with MS and a niece with fibromyalgia.....we have said so
many times to each other....there is no one in the family that we know
of....please write more....also, a couple of months ago there was much
conversation about a native influence in our families....any update on
that....Karron
I have a cousin with MS and my mother shuffled when she walked to keep =
her balance. I too have the problem of balance. My grandfather thought =
he was going to have palsy and committed sucide as he was depressed over =
not being about to work. I think something is going on. Wish it was easy =
to diagnose. JoanI have had 2 strokes one in the 80s one in the 90s had bells palsy in the
60s(it lasted 2 or 3 months left side of my facei'm 62 now been retired
since 2nd stroke in 92 ,was 53 then ,with all the Rxs i have signs of
Diabetes , no hearing left ear,younger brother had tumor removed from inside
of brain in the late 80s or early 90she is totally disabled,(HAS NO
BALANCE)so give GOD THANKS FOR WHAT YOU DO HAVE,Not what you might get, Yes
i have always had leg cramps vitamin E an Potassiun helps in arms hands
leggs ,plus i have high blood pressure since my last stroke , i'm half
sutphin,from va.I also take water pills, thank God I'm still alive an kickin
with out any help ,HE WILL COME IN THE TWINKLE OF THE EYE SO BE READY
I have a daughter with MS. It took a long time to diagnose but the only true
way to find out is with a spinal tap. A good neurologist can do this, it is
first found with an MRI.Dear Sylvia, what kin are you to me. I am a descendant of Owen/Rachel
Sutphin their daughter was Eliza and Hannah Sutphin/Alderman.
Dear Sylvia and Kat Littleturtle, My line of Sutphins is from Owen/Sally =
Thompson #5 in the Sutphin Book. then #34 Eliza, and #9 Hannah =
Sutphin/John Alderman. could I ask if you are a descendant of either of =
these lines?? Joan Kay has two MS Sylvia, one and my cousin makes 4 =
that I am hearing aboutI am getting responses on leg problems and M.S. could you keep them =
coming. I will appreciate it. Joan "mailto:Bavon@crosslink.net"
why don't you get a brain scan to rule wheather you have a brain tumor or
not ,hope you don't have one ,sutphin cousin .(S>T)
Sorry if this offends, had to put my two cents in. I have lots of physical
and mental problems (go figure). But I always look back to my Grandpa Amon
Sutphin, smoked filterless camels since he was like 10 or something, was born
with one kidney (which he discovered in his 70's because of a hospital visit)
, but lived until he was 83 years old. Figure I'm from tough stock, and
that's just from my grandfather's side.
Deb
I, too, have leg problems, and the first stages of MS. My father has MS,
but I am a Sutphin through my Mom's side. My Dad is in a MS test program
that really looks like it might do some good in the future. He was down in
a wheelchair and is now handling his walker like when he first got one. Lois
in NebraskaHi, Lois. My 45 year old daughter has had MS for about 3 yrs. Probably had
it for several years before she found out what it was. A neurologist in
Richmond found it with a M R I and then the U V A Hospital did a spinal tap that
really told the story. Now she has taken disability because she can't
function at work and uses a cane. She is on Betaseron and takes shots every
other day plus rx for leg problems, stiffness, unsteadiness, etc.
Ancestry.Com has WV. Marriage 1863-1900 free viewing for ten days. I think
we have all the Suts, only ten listed, I am sure there may be other names
the cousins would be interested in.
There is a John Sutphin m. Raleigh Co. WV., 14 Apr. 1888 to Nancy Vass. I
have never identified him. I have often wondered if this could be John
William Sutphin, s/o Jacob and Mary Delong Sutphin.
Happy Spring to all,
Mary AnneI just had to pass this on! Well, it is genealogy.
Mary Anne
Subject: [WR] Kinship Humor
> I know this is a little off-topic, but it is genealogical.
> Frank Dean
>
> Pappy's Gal
>
> Suzy Lee fell in love.
> She planned to marry Joe.
> She was so happy bout it all,
> she told her pappy so.
>
> Pappy told her,"Suzie Gal"
> you'll have to find another.
> I'd just as soon yo maw don't know,
> but Joe is yo half-brother.
>
> So Suzie forgot about her Joe
> and planned to marry Will.
> But, after telling pappy this
> he said "There's trouble still".
>
> You can't marry Will, my gal,
> and please don't tell yo mother,
> cause Will and Joe and several mo
> I know is yo half-brother"
>
> But Mama knew and said "Honey chile,
> do what makes yo happy.
> Marry Will or marry Joe,
> You ain't no kin to pappy!"
thanks for all the input on the leg problems. I am collecting the data =
as I have had MRI and all test on my legs and a Spinal Tap. I have yet =
to find a Doctor that can identify my problem and prescribe anything. I =
want all the info I can get to present to someone to put a name to =
inherited problems. Anyway appreciate all the info you will pass on to =
me. I really would appreciate the line of ancestry down from the first =
one we have in the cousin book. thanks. It sure sounds like various =
degrees of M.S. here.=20
MS and leg problems:=20
I have Lois back to No. 4 Hendrick=20
I have Sylvia to John No. 2
Myself and my cousin who has MS to No. 5 Owen
I cannot find Bill Sutphin as John, son of William Tyler only list one =
son Isaac. His brother was Hendrick. Willam was No. 6.=Hi SCOL cousins I have been watching and reading the leg problems and =
noticed Marshall was mentioned. On my mother's side of the family: My =
Uncle Cobern Marshall in Indian Valley, VA has leg problems and has =
retired from the foundry. Working on cement floors for years will ruin =
your legs. Also Cobern's brother, Clarence Marshall died from blood =
clots in his legs. My grandmother Bethany Edna Duncan had leg problems =
and her ankles swelled all the time. She died with gangrene in her legs. =
Was a horrible sight to witness. (Edna was Cobern and Clarence's =
mother) .
Can anyone tell me if they have severe headaches/mirgranes with their =
ailments that may or may not combine with nose bleeds? =20
My lines consist of Sutphin, Goad, Marshall, Duncan, Dalton and a few =
others. ThanksI (Joan N.) am printing out the references to leg problems. their are =
many parts to Multiple Sclerosis symtoms. go to Jeeves and ask what is =
M.S. and click on the organization. I found out that it also affects the =
part in the brain that will give you depression. I get that a lot. had a =
uncle and granddaddy Sutphin who committed sucide. makes you wonder.=20
I am a descendant of Hendrick, and have 2 children with MS. One is
relapsing/recurring and she is on daily shots, the other is Primary
Progressive....we have not known anyone in our family with MS so this has
been so puzzling...would like to hear more from all of you on this....
Since the list is so quiet, I thought I would pass along some expressions of
the south.
Cheers,
Mary Anne
Things a True Southerner Knows:
The difference between a hissie fit and a conniption fit.
Pretty much how many fish make up a mess.
What general direction cattywumpus is.
That "gimme sugar" don't mean pass the sugar.
When somebody's "fixin" to do something, it won't be long.
The difference between Yankees and damn Yankees.
How good a cold grape Nehi and cheese crackers are at a country store.
Knows what "Well I Suwannee !!" means.
Ain't nobody's biscuits like Grandma's biscuits !!
A good dog is worth its weight in gold.
Real gravy don't come from the store.
When "by and by" is.
How to handle their "pot likker".
The difference between "pert' near" and "a right far piece".
The differences between a redneck, a good ol' boy, and trailer trash.
Never to go snipe hunting twice.
At one point learned what happens when you swallow tobacco juice.
Never to assume that the other car with the flashing turn signal is actually
going to make a turn.
You may wear long sleeves, but you should always roll 'em up past the
elbows.
You should never loan your tools, pick-up, or gun to nobody.
A belt serves a greater purpose than holding Daddy's pants up.
Rocking chairs and swings are guaranteed stress relievers.
Rocking chairs and swings with an old person in them are history lessons.When somebody's "fixin" to do something, it won't be long.
the above expression does not pertain to husbands. "fixin" could mean in =
his next life. Joan
Mary Anne,
I had to have some work done on my computer and I lost every thing on
my harddrive including all my addresses.Could you email me at
"mailto:dogi3738@hotmail.com" I need to forward you some info concerning the
postings about Multiple Sclerosis and other neuroligal disorders.
Your cousin Don McPeek from Ashland.Ky,now Arizona.
As always,
DonArizona! You won't have to worry about the harddrive long. It will melt
when it gets 115 or more this summer! Put a drip pan under your moniter
to catch the letters as they melt..
But its a dry heat...
And another thing all kids know that when you hear your full name come out of your momma's mouth you know you're in BIG TROUBLEYou are right. That may be why I use Mary Anne instead of just Mary. Habit
from those days when Mom was looking for me. She had a southern mother who
called her Grace Lucille! :-)
Mary Anne
Mary Anne,
Although I'm "Northerner", I really enjoyed your True Southerner.
Shirley VerbriggheKen,
We are 2 of the same. I was born and raised mostly in West By God
Stand Up When You Say It Virginia. When my family moved to Virginia I was
considered one of those D........ Yankees.
Confused Cousin
Randy
aI have recently received a book called " The Man In The Arena The Life and
Times of A.C. Sutphin". The book was given to me by a young Cal Sutphin. I
believe he is the Grandson of A.C. Sutphin. They own the Braden Sutphin Ink
Co. I haven't had the chance to get into the book yet as I received it only
Friday, but apparently A.C, was quite a man. Will put out info as I read the
book. There is an A.C. Sutphin Foundation in Rocky River, Ohio. I have the
address for the Foundation if anyone is interested.
Cousin Randy
I am a Sutphin from the Cleveland area, but was always told that we weren't
related to A.C. Sutphin - he owned the Cleveland arena -- on Euclid Ave. I
believe -- it would be interesting to know exactly we are related. I was in
the same town for more than 20 years and never met him -- of course,
Cleveland is a BIG town! It is ironic it in that I was a figure skater.
julia
I believe he owned the old Cleveland Barons hockey team. I don't
believe he owned the arena. The old Civic Arena was owned by the
city.
Thanks for the correction!
I just saw the book online a couple of weeks ago -- try amazon or bn.com
My husband was born in VA and he doesn't call it the "Civil War", but the "War of Northern Aggression". I was born in WV, but grew up in FL, never considered myself a "Yankee", but guess I am. Since moving to VA three years ago, I've heard my first WV jokes. My boys love to come home from school with new ones, to give me a hard time. Example: What do you have when you line up 32 West Virginians cheek to cheek?........One good set of teeth. (Remember, I can
> tell WV jokes, since I'm from WV :-)
As a Nebraskan with a Virginian Grandfather, I understood 99% of Mary Anne's
Southern language. Does that make me a "Y'all Yankee"? [I already know
the difference between an Yankee and a D.... Yankee.] It is wonderful to
hear from the cousins again. Really enjoyed watching the falcons. Lois in
Nebraska- Percentage of Americans who have sneaked into a movie
theater? 16%
-by the way northerners are twice as likely as southerners to do the
sneaking.Grace Price Sutphin, age 89, of Blackstone Va., died Saturday, May 5, 2001.
She was the widow of Shannon Sutphin. She is survived by two daughters, Peggy
S. Cournow of Blackstone and Bonnie S. Ringo of Nathalie, Va; two sisters,
Bessie P. Cullum of Harve de Grave, Md. and Mary P. Slate of Elizabethtown,
Ky.; five grandchildren and six great-grandchildren. Funeral services will be
held at 11 a.m. Tuesday at Hamner McMillian Funeral Home with burial in Grace
United Methodist Church Cemetery, Wilsons, Va. Memorial contributions may be
made to Nottoway County Emergency Squad or Grace United Methodist Church.
Richmond-Times Dispatch
Monday May 7, 2001
Thank you for sending Deborah. A number of years ago we lived at Blackstone
while hubbie was stationed at Ft. Pickett, and knew Shannon and Grace. The
first Black-eyed peas I ever saw and ate came from Grace's garden.
Shannon, who passed away 20 Dec. 1985, was the son of John Jay Sutphin and
Louisa Kemp, John J. Sutphin, 1885-1937, s/o Benjamin Elliott and Obedience
"Bedie" Prater Sutphin. His mother Louisa lived with Shannon and Grace until
her death, she made many visits to Floyd and Carroll County to visit her
aunt Cora Kemp Sutphin and other relatives. So we kept in contact with the
family through her visits.
The family and the community will miss Grace as they did Shannon, both such
dear people. I will send our condolences to Bonnie and Peggy
Regards,
Mary Anne
Hi Ken,, Ken here , I would be mildly interested in the reunion but--my wife and I are going to be in England at that time visiting our daughter who now lives near Birmingham in the midlands. We are right now in the process of moving into town--12 miles--I will not know our new e-mail address until we move though..... Best of luck in the reunion...Ken Randy..
I would like the info on the A.C. Sutphin foundation. I live about 40
miles south of there and didn't even know about it. Thanks in advance for
your help.
Linda Sutphin
Thank you Mary Ann, this is the only way I know that I can contribute a bit
to the list, I've gotten so much. I had decided not to check out the daily
obituary page, it depresses me, but it was of help so I may do it a while
longer. And after your response, it showed me that it doesn't have to be
depressing, just another way to celebrate our lives. Plus you've shed light,
once again on my research.
Thanks
Deb
I bought the book over a year ago and still have not read it. I lived in
Cleveland years ago and was aware of the Barons being owned by a Sutphin.
(Sorry, but that team was a loser) I heard that the ink company was bought
out. My Brother applied for a job there, (70's) but the fact his name was
Sutphin pulled no weight. He was not hired or even interviewed.
Julie who are your parents and grandparents. I still have family living
there. KenAnyone researching NJ Sutphin's might want to check out njchurchscape.com
It has many pictures, history, and addresses that my furnish leads on where
to look. KenHi, Ken, (and y'all)
My parents -- Frances and Malcolm Sutphin, son of Joseph Edgar, son of Elijah
Irwin, son of Abner Wm, son of John Sutphin, son of William Sutphin (Sr) -
born 1761 NJ.
I was told that my Dad tried to meet Al Sutphin in a friendly "hey, we have
the same last name" sort of way, and it was implied that the meeting either
never was planned or was "blown-off."
julia
Thanks for the head's-up on the church site. I just spent a pleasant few
minutes looking at some of the churches my ancestors went to.
Sue
I also want to thank Ken for the "heads up" on the NJ Churches site.
Bill Morrow in Houston, TX (native of NJ)Sometime ago, one of the cousins was interested in the history of Joy Ranch.
In the Carroll News there was an article of the Ranch celebrating forty
years in our community. I have saved the news article, if this cousin is
still subscribed, please contact me.
I believe she was from William and Macke Nelson Sutphin family.
Regards all,
Mary AnneIt wasn't me -- but I'm interested.
julia
It is a lengthy article, half of the front page and half of page 12. Starts
with, "Forty years ago on March 23 1961, Joy Ranch at Woodlawn opened it's
doors. Richard and Mary McHenry started the ranch. Prior, they had been at
Calvary Bible Church. (I think this was at Dugspur area.) The McHenrys
retired in 1978, Mr. McHenry passed away last year and Mrs. McHenry now
lives Salem, VA. Ronnie Gray Collins now manages the ranch, the home
averages 30 children, with capacity for forty-nine. Many of the cottages
have been remodeled since 1978." "Collins hopes to reopen the Christian
school, but other projects are first on the list. Such as openenin the
emergency assessment cottage. With this cottage a child can be brought to
the ranch any time of day or night, with staff on duty around the clock."
Not bad for such a small community.
My comments;
The school associated with Joy Ranch, many of our local parents would pay
tuition to get their children enrolled, but it is not permitted. If a
youngster is suspended from normal school, they are permitted to attend Joy
Ranch School. So, children with problems are not simply "kicked" out of
school to stay home and enjoy the suspension. Classes are small and
discipline is swift. If a local child does not follow the rules of the
ranch, he will be dismissed.
If you want a copy of the entire article, send me your address privately, I
will see how many papers I can find from March 21. Bet Donna has hers in the
basement. :-)
Regards,
Mary Anne
I will be taking a short vacation to New Jersey next Thursday. Could anyone
send me some info on William Sutphin, Sr. who's family moved to Carroll
County, VA. from New Jersey. Any help on where family lived in New Jersey,
churches they attended or anything else that can give me a head start on
researching this family and his parents and siblings. Thanks in advance. Pat
Baker
If you want to e-mail me privately that is fine with me. Thanks.I personally have found very little on William. Below are theoretically the
grandparents of William Sr. s/o Christopher, s/o John
There are five known children baptized to John and Katherine at Marbrough
Church in Monmouth. This is the first known instance of the given name
of "Christopher" connected to the Sutphin family. It is possible that the
name originated with the Longstreet family.
John Baptism 18 Nov 1711 in Marlbrough NJ.
Christopher baptism 10 June 1739 Marlbrough, Monmouth, NJ
Check the Dutch reformed Church in the area. I found a great narrative from
a slave named Solomon Sutphin concerning the Battle of Monmouth. Might be
available there locally. Thanks to all I got this info from. KenPat, we will be cheering you on and hoping you will find some evidence of
our family being there. The Christopher Sutphin theory is a very good one.
Happy hunting,
Mary Anne
I don't understand the connection of the Joy Ranch with the Sutphins.
julia
If you are from Carroll County, everything is of interest, connected or not.
A Sutphin cousin and I had discussed Joy Ranch previously, but not on SCOL.
She was a SCOL member, and I no longer have her address. It was lost in one
of my many crashes. I thought if she is still a member, I would pass this
article on.
Mary Anne
Lois,
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but Dorothy died on Feb 27, 2000 at
the University of Virginia Medical Center in Charlottesville, VA. She
had been living with her daughter, Charlotte Carrell. I assumed everyone
knew.
Here's Dorothy's obit:
Dorothy Lee Burnett Peterson, age 92, of Charlottesville, Va., formerly
of Chapel Hill, NC, passed away February 27, 2000, at the University of
Virginia Medical Center. She was born December 17, 1908 in Appalachia,
Wise County, Va., the daughter of Henry "Prince" Burnett and his wife,
Dora Ada Branscome Burnett. In 1913 the family moved to Galax, and in
1920 they moved to Independence, as her father became Grayson County
commonwealth's attorney. She graduated from Harrisonburg State Teacher's
College, now James Madison University, receiving a teaching certificate,
and taught elementary school and piano. She was married to the late
Robert Elmer Peterson on September 22, 1934. He was born in Memphis,
Tenn., January 10, 1910 and died June 22, 1987, the son of Alex Robert
and Charlotte Olson Peterson (both born in Sweden and immigrated to
Pittsburg, Penn., 1885). They lived in Memphis from December 1937 to May
1983, where they were longtime members of Evergreen Presbyterian Church.
She and her husband moved to Chapel Hill, NC, where she was a member of
the Davie Poplar Chapter of the DAR. Dorothy authored two books of
genealogy entitled "Blue Ridge Heritage," the second edition revised and
copyrighted in 1987, and "Branscome, Barclay, Lesesne and Related
Families," copyrighted in 1994. Dorothy moved to Our Lady of Peace in
Charlottes in October 1999. Besides her husband, she was preceded in
death by an infant daughter, a sister Nancy "Elizabeth" Burnett Frazier
of McLean, survived by her husband Russell Franklin "Frank" Frazier and
their daughters, Elizabeth and Frances. She is survived by a sister,
Margaret Burnett Arey of Norfolk, and her daughters, Susan Gail and
Marsha. Dorothy leaves three daughters, Dorothy Lee Peterson Banker and
her husband, Robert Earl Banker of Tampa, Fla., and their children,
David C. and his wife, Jan, and their children, Whitney, Mackenzie,
Kelsey and Courtney. Other children are Dana Burnett Banker of Fort
Lauderdale, Fla., and Blair Elizabeth Banker VonKleydorff and her
husband, Andrew, and their daughter Meredith; a daughter, Charlotte Ray
Peterson Carrell and her husband, Finis Dixon Carrell, live in
Charlottesville, as well as their daughters, Catherine Ray Carrell
Teague and her husband, Joe, & their daughter Rachel; Elizabeth Ann
Carrell Hanson and her husband, Rolf, and their son, Zachary. Another
daughter, Jeanne Hylton Carrell Buschor and her husband, Martin, live in
Bloomington, Ill., with their daughters Amanda, Monica and Celia.
Another daughter, Norma "Jean" Peterson Lesesne and her husband, Henry
Roby Lesesne, live in CHapel Hill, NC, with their daughter Marcy. Their
son, Henry Roby Lesesne, Jr. and his wife, Chas, and their son Roby,
live in Boone, NC. Burial in the Felts Memorial Cemetery in Galax, Va.
Teague Funeral Home of Charlottesville is in charge of local
arrangements.Hello Everyone,
SCOL Central here. Hope all are doing well and enjoying the warmer weather.
I am about to embark on my annual motorcycle trip to Myrtle Beach, SC for
Bike Week. Cousin Randy... are you going? Didn't know you rode until I saw
your post the other day.
I will be off-line for just over a week.. so, hopefully.. SCOL will continue
to run without me (as it pretty much has of late)... with no problems.
I received the message below the other day. Phil.. looks like this lady was
trying to reach you, but I thought the bible she mentions might be of
interest to several of the cousins.
We have some prospective new members in the wings... hopefully we will have
some new cousins joining us soon.
Take care everyone... and happy Mothers Day to all of you moms out there
that keep this world, and your families... healthy and happy.
Mike
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Hi! This fellow is on your veteran's page at
"http://www.fred.net/msutphin/sutvets.htm"
This "mailto:phil@sum.net" address no longer works. Can you pass this on to anyone
who would want this Bible?
-----Original Message-----
From: Karen J. Lowe
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 11:23 AM
To: "mailto:'phil@sum.net'"
Subject: Genealogy: Harrison Sutphin
Phil,
I saw this on Somebody's Links and wanted to pass it on, since I saw these
people in your Ancestry tree.
> I have what appears to be a SUTPHIN family Bible. Harrison
>SUTPHIN and Sophia Charlotte ALLEY married on 20 December 1866.
>If someone could prove relationship, I would like to see them
>have this.
> "mailto:LRoberts17@cs.com"
If this works out for you, let me know. I enjoy sending these notes around
to see if I can help people make connections.
Regards,
Karen Lowe
Boulder, ColoradoHello Everyone,
We welcome two new members today, Doreen Gaultney and Michelle Newman. Here
are their notes to me:
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A couple of years ago I was searching our my roots. I came across your site.
My name is Doreen. My great uncle was Jeb Sutphin.
My grandfather was his brother Cleve. I am the granddaughter of James
Cleveland and Miltida Sutphin. If you are interested I have alot more
information on some of our relatives. Any info could could send me I would
really be greatful. I also have pictures of Cleve and my grandmother
Matilda.
My e-mail is "mailto:csherman@toad.net"
Thanks Doreen
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Mike: Please add me to the SCOL group. I am researching Goad, Sutphin,
Dalton, Marshall, Duncan
Thanks
Michelle L. Sartin Newman
"mailto:chellemt2000@yahoo.com"
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We extend a warm SCOL welcome to our new members.. and hope your enjoy your
SCOL adventure.
That's all for today,
MikeI am sorry to hear about Dorothy's death. She was a researcher who shared
her information easily. Please give me the address of Dorothy's daughter.
Maybe she can put me in contact with Huff cousins. Thank you. Lois
The "Genealogy Bulletin" Apr-May-June 1994 from Am Gen Lending Library has a
good article on Colonial Roads by Wm Dollarhide--with maps. I was
interested in the map @1752 showing the Great Valley Road from New Jersey to
Roanoke,VA. By 1775-1795 the map shows how the Great Valley Road extended to
western Virginia, and became the Wilderness Road into Ohio. This road map
showed the usual route of migration for our ancestors, and could explain the
route traveled by our Sutphins from New Jersey to Virginia. Just thought it
was interesting. Lois in NebraskaI cannot imagine how a family Bible gets out of family hands. The only
person I can think of belonging to this family is Floyd Co. Paul Sutphin's
daughter Betty, who lives in Christiansburg. No, I cannot remember her
married name, but I will find it.
Son JoJo will not be going to Bike Week this year. Last year his Harley
stayed in the shop the entire time they were at Myrtle. So, he came home and
sold it. Being a newly wed, I doubt he will be doing much biking in the near
future. With a wife a beautiful as his, even a Harley pales in comparison.
(grin) Now may I say I am happy about both, the beautiful wife and the
Harley being gone.
Happy Mother's Day to all the wonderful Sutphin Mothers on SCOL.
Mary Anne
mary ann, Paul sutphin sounds like my uncle ,My mothers brother ,he was
married two times i know of ,he had one daughter named paulene ,he lived in
roanoake an worked at the hosp there .he may have had another child with
another wife ,i don't know .his daughter i know would be in her 60s by now
who has the bible? do they want to give it to the family? I 'm interested in
hearing from the owner "mailto:SAMSR@NCFREEDOM.NET" COUSIN SAMTOLBERT?SUTPHIN< RSVP
THANKS
Paul Sutphin, s/o Osmond and Belle Akres Sutphin, was sheriff of Floyd
County for many years, I am not sure of the dates, but he was still sheriff
in the 1970's before Branscome. Paul moved to Christiansburg in the 90's to
be near daughter Betty Thomas. Paul passed away 7 March 1995, age 84. The
address Mike had on his note was "mailto:lroberts17@cs.com"
Mary Anne
Oops, TYPO, that should have been OSBORN Sutphin,
not Osmond.
Mary AnneMy mane is Delbert Eugene Sutphin. Born 10 nov. 1956 . To the best that i can tell i am 6th generation of HEDRICK SUTPHIN and i belive 12 generation of JAN VAN ZUTPHEN........I THINK IT GOES SOMETHING LIKE THIS: DELBERT EUGENE SUTPHIN -12 ( PAUL WILLIAM -11, JOHN GRANT -10, DAVID CROCKETT -9 , NANCY C.-8 , HEDRICK -7 , WILLIAM -6 ,CHRISOPHER -5 , JOHN -4 , JAN (JOHN) VAN ZUTPHEN -3 , DERRICK JASEN - 2 , JAN VAN ZUTPHIN -1 ) I am living in Lumberton ,N.C. now. my e-mail is "mailto:dalekids@carolina.net" what all do you have on Hedrick born1806 in Montgomery Co.,Va. He married Jane Harbour 1834 . You have him as HENDRICK. you also have a notr for Jane Harbour, aboult 3 of her son were out of wedlock. well i think that , that is wrong ! I belive that it was Nancy C. Sutphin that had 3 son aou of wedlock with George Gore ( David Crockett Sutphin b. 1858. Napoleon Sutphin, b. 1856, and Charles W Sutphin., b.1853.) Then hse married James Gibson and hade 8 more kids. Thats why I am still a Sutphin instead of a Gore. David Crockett Sutphin married Martha Cochane , has John Grant Sutphin and 8 other kids. John Grant Sutphin married Alimedia Walls and had Paul William Sutphin and 7 other kids. Paul William Sutphin married Annie Lee Ola Hefner and had 7 kids, one of whome is me. ( Delbert Eugene Sutphin) I have 3 son's Timothy Andrew Sutphin , Paul William Sutphin II , and Christopher Lee Sutphin. I think you only go as for as David Crocket Sutphin in our branch of the wood , if youwould say that. Man is it getting late. No wonder I cant think stright I have been up sence 2:45 AM. If you have any question you can reply at "mailto:dalekids@carolina.net"At the funeral of a friend.
>>>>He referred to the dates on her tombstone
>>>>From the beginning...to the end.
>>>>
>>>>He noted that first came her date of birth
>>>>And spoke the following date with tears,
>>>>But he said what mattered most of all
>>>>Was the dash between those years.
>>>>(1934 -1998)
>>>>
>>>>For that dash represents all the time
>>>>That she spent alive on earth...
>>>>And now only those who loved her
>>>>Know what that little line is worth.
>>>>
>>>>For it matters not, how much we own;
>>>>The cars...the house...the cash,
>>>>What matters is how we live and love
>>>>And how we spend our dash.
>>>>
>>>>So think about this long and hard... Are there things you'd like
>to
>>>>change?
>>>>For you never know how much time is left,
>>>>That can still be rearranged.
>>>>
>>>>If we could just slow down enough
>>>>To consider what's true and real,
>>>>And always try to understand
>>>>The way other people feel.
>>>>
>>>>And be less quick to anger,
>>>>And show appreciation more
>>>>And love the people in our lives
>>>>Like we've never loved before.
>>>>
>>>>If we treat each other with respect,
>>>>And more often wear a smile.
>>>>Remembering that this special dash
>>>>Might only last a little while.
>>>>
>>>>So, when your eulogy's being read
>>>>With your life's actions to rehash...
>>>>Would you be proud of the things they say
>>>>About how you spent your dash?
Hi Ken,, Ken here , I would be mildly interested in the reunion but--my wife and I are going to be in England at that time visiting our daughter who now lives near Birmingham in the midlands. We are right now in the process of moving into town--12 miles--I will not know our new e-mail address until we move though..... Best of luck in the reunion...Ken A while back I saw some postings about Sutphin connections with Indians.
Has anyone checked with this guy?
Gregg began learning the Cherokee language when his family moved to
Oklahoma in the early 60s and he learned of his Indian heritage. His mother
(Corinne Tyldesley) and her mother (Sophie Sutphin) were both Cherokee /
Powhattan descendents. His great grandmother (on his mother's side) Anne
Martin was Cherokee & English. Gregg teaches Cherokee language & history in
Dallas and Collin Creek Community College in Plano, Texas. He is a member
of the Oklahoma Native Language Assoc., Wordcraft Circle of Native Writers
and Storytellers, The National Storytellers Association, and Tejas
Storytellers. Gregg is the spokesman for the Cherokee Honor Society in
Tahlequah, Oklahoma.I am descended from Wm Sutphin, Sr. born 1761 in NJ -- does anyone have
information about his father/mother or if any relatives fought in the
Revolutionary War? Has anyone applied for admission into the DAR?
THANKS!
julia
Also ... read with great interest about the Cherokee connection. What line
is Sophie Sutphin in? Does anyone know about Native American influence in
the Wm Sutphin, Sr. line?
Dear Karron,
Here is a little mor information on him:
Gregg began learning the Cherokee language when his family moved to
Oklahoma in the early 60s and he learned of his Indian heritage. His mother
(Corinne Tyldesley) and her mother (Sophie Sutphin) were both Cherokee /
Powhattan descendents. His great grandmother (on his mother's side) Anne
Martin was Cherokee & English. Gregg teaches Cherokee language & history in
Dallas and Collin Creek Community College in Plano, Texas. He is a member
of the Oklahoma Native Language Assoc., Wordcraft Circle of Native Writers
and Storytellers, The National Storytellers Association, and Tejas
Storytellers. Gregg is the spokesman for the Cherokee Honor Society in
Tahlequah, Oklahoma.
Try this website for more info or to even buy his stories on tape/CD or
video. Let me know what you find, KenDear Kenneth, thank you so very much for your quick response on Gregg. He
has a great website. Now could I ask you to help me on one other question?
Where does Sophie fit into our family web. I am here....my daddy's mother
was Priscilla Sutphin (f. George Washington Sutphin, m. Martha Jane Fain)
(gf. Riley S. Sutphin, gm. Mary or Polly Houchins) (ggf. Henry Sutphin
(1794) ggm. Mary Ann Keith. This all gets so mind boggling doesn't
it....Karron
Dear Karron,
Riley is my 2nd cousin 3times removed. That make you my 5th
cousin once removed. I am sorry but I have no information on his decendants
other than what you gave me. Maybe Mary Anne or Lois has more. Maybe you
can contact Gregg at Collin Creek Community College in Plano, Texas. You
are welcome and I hope it helps you. Please let us know if you find
anything. Ken
Thanks,
julia
Hi Julia. We know absolutely nothing about William Sutphin Sr. The only NJ
connection we have is brother Hendrick Sutphin stated on 1850 Census, he was
b. NJ.
William, Hendrick and Soloman B. Sutphin show up in Bedford County VA.1810,
age 45+ by 1820 he is in Grayson County, VA. age 45 + and head of household
of 11 souls. One a female slave, no wife.
This is why we are hoping you can find something to solve the mystery of who
these men were.
I am also interested in Sophia Sutphin who had Cherokee connections.
As far as I know, there was no Indian in our Sutphins. However, after moving
to Virginia I believe there were marriages into families which had Indian
bloodlines. Here again, nothing proved.
Mary Anne
For over 30 years I wondered where the name came from for Sutphin Boulevard
in Queens, NY. I wrote the NYC Genealogical Society and they replied it was
too old to trace. I ran into this last night:
John H. Sutphin (1835-1907): Born in Hicksville on August 18th, 1835. Mr.
Sutphin was elected justice of the peace of Jamaica (1864), deputy county
clerk of Queens, and then county clerk of Queens (1867). Enjoying the
political world, he was chairman of the Queens Democrat County Committee
(1867-1897) before being deposed by associates of Tammany=92s Richard Croker=
.
Living south of Jamaica Avenue, on present-day 164th Street, he helped
organize Maple Grove Cemetery in 1875, created the Bank of Jamaica (1895),
and was president of the Jamaica Savings Bank (1898-1907). He donated
access land near the planned Long Island Railroad station in downtown
Jamaica. Thus, Sutphin Boulevard came into being.
Now I know. KenHi, Ken,
Recently you wrote the above -- where did you get this info?
julia
Ken Well I have Hendrick as HEDRICK SUTPHIN. b 1806 in montgomery co. virginia . he married JANE HARBOUR 1834? my date might be a year off. thy had 11 children: 1- MANCY C. SUTPHIN,B-1837,WYTHE CO,WVA 2- ABNER SUTPHIN, B-1839,WYTHE CO.,WVA 3- DAVID E. SUTPHIN, B- 1840,WVA 4- MARTHASUTPHIN, B- 1846, MONROE CO.,WVA 5- WILLIAM SUTPHIN, B- 1847, MERCER CO.WVA 6- ARCHIBALD TAYLOR SUTPHIN, B- 1849, MERCER. CO,WVA 7- AILEY SUTPHIN, B-1843, MERCER CO,WVA 8- JOHN H. SUTPHIN, B-? 9- BENJAMIN W. SUTPHIN, B-? 10- EMILY SUTPHIN , B- ? 11- TAYLOR SUTPHIN, B- ? NANCY C. SUTPHIN MET GEORGE GORE. SHE HADE 3 SON OUT OF WEDLOCK WITH HIM BETWEEN 1853-1858. 1- CHARLES W SUTPHIN, B-SEPT. 12 1853, MERCER CO.,WVA 2- NAPOLEON SUTPHIN, B- 1856, BULL CREEK, BOON CO. ,WVA 3- DAVID CROCKETT SUTPHIN, B- 1858, BULL CREEK , BOON CO.,WVA THEN NANCY MARRIED JAMES R. GIBSOM , JUNE 19 1862. AND HAD 8 MORE CHILDREN. 1- JAMES T. GIBSON, B- 1863, WVA 2- WILLIAM H. GIBSON, B-1861, WVA 3- LUCY ANN GIBSON, B-1865,WVA 4- MARTHA JANE GIBSON,B- 1868,WVA 5- NELLY F. GIBSON, B- 1869,WVA 6- EMMAZATTA GIBSON, B-1872,WVA 7- SARAH ANN GIBSON, B- 1874,WVA 8- NANCY C GIBSON, B- 1878,WVA THAT IS OLL I HAVE RIGHT NOW ON THE GIBSON'S . I HAVE ONLY BEEN DOING TREE RESEARCH FOR ABOUT A MONTH. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT DAVID CROCKETT's BRANCH OF THE TREE LET ME KNOW. OR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. I SAW YOUR TREE IN FAMILY TREE MARKER.COM. I HAVE FOUNED MITCHION OF JAN VAN ZUTPHEN IN WORLD FAMILY TREE , VOLUME 8, TREE 3397, VOLUME 14, TREE3134,AND IN VOLUME 27, TREE 2822. BUT I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO OBTANE COPYS OF THESE BOOKS AS OF YET I HAVE LOCATED A GRANT VAN ZYTPHIN THAT HE SAID HIS GRANDPARENTS MIGRATED FORM ANSTERDAM.MANY YEARS AGO. I AM NOT SURE WHERE HE IS LOCATED AT RIGHT NOW BUT HIS E-MAIL IS "mailto:grant_vz@yahoo.com" THERE ARE 14 OTHER VAN ZUTPHIN THAT I HAVE SENT OUT E-MAILS TO BUT HAVE NOT HEARD ANY THING YET. UNTIL LATER , DELBERTA friend in FL sent this along for me. He believed this person was
probably kin to me through the Fauquier Co. Sutphins. He likely is
right. I'm not sure where William W. connects though.
=\=\=\=\=\=
William W. Sutphin
William W. Sutphin, 85, Port
Charlotte, died May 8, 2001.
He was born April 13, 1916, in
Fairfax, VA, and came to Port Char-
lotte in 1983 from Manassas, VA.
He was a real estate agent and a
Methodist.
Survivors include a sister, An-
nette C. Wimberly of Orlando.
No local services are scheduled.
Kayes-Ponger Funeral Home, Port
Charlotte Chapel, is in charge.
=\=\=\=\=\=
Regards to all...
Jim
Dear Kenneth, I find this very interesting, could you please share a way
to contact Gregg. I would love to get in touch with him for some deeper
information. Karron
Ken: You recently posted information re Sutphin Boulevard being named for John H. Sutphin (1835-1907). I too have been trying (unsuccesfully) to find when and why Sutphin Boulevard was named and therefore I am quite interested on where you got the info you posted. I live on Long Island and our local newspaper (Newday) has been running a series of articles on "The Names of New York". I recently wrote them and requested they include Sutphin Blvd in their articles, in the hope they would supply the information I was seeking - no response to date. In my letter, I told them that my research led me to believe the Boulevard MAY have been named for John Sutphin as he was the Queens County Clerk in 1898 when Queens County became one of the 5 boroughs of New York City (and Nassau County split from Queens). Your information verifies my theory on who the street was named for and know I even know why - Good Job on you part. In the 1906 yearbook for The Holland Society, John Henry Sutphin of Jamaica, NY was listed as a member (Admitted Date: 28 Mar 1889). I have no other info on John Henry, did your research come up with names of his father and Mother? Looking forward to hearing from you Geoff Sutfin (LI, NY)Dear Geoff.
I found the info in an article about the Maple Grove Cemetery
by the Richmond Hill Historical Society. It was located at
"http://www.richmondhillhistory.org/MapleGrovefamed.html" on the web. If I can be of
any other service let me know, Ken.Here is a bit of history from SW. VA. It is not far from Hillsville. The
writer is correct about the tunnel and shaft, and many local folks being
employed by the lead mines. The historical significance of this tower is the
shot made for the many SW. VA. battles during the Civil War.
This site has some wonderful pictures, it is a little slow loading but worth
waiting.
Mary Anne
Subject: [VAMONTGO] Old Shot Tower on New River:
> To All:
> I recently stopped and took a picture of the Old Shot Tower on New River..
> and have placed it on my web site so others can see it without having to
> make the trip! I understand the shot tower had a shaft dug down to the
level
> of the river and a tunnel through which boats could be brough in to
collect
> the shot.
> Molten lead was poured through screens at the top of the tower and the hot
> lead particles fell to the bottom, turning into round shot before hitting
> the cold water which chilled it, retaining the shape.. The lead was mined
> nearby in Wythe County, Va.. Many people who apparently owned no land in
the
> area very likely were employed in the mining and smelting operations..
> Go to my website and click on "Scenes" to see this and other pictures of
> Southwest Va..
> "http://hearlshill.freeservers.com/index.html"
>
> Thanks for Your Time,
> G. Lee Hearl
> Authentic Appalachian Storyteller
> Abingdon, Va.
>
this webb site is the best one i have seen yet thank you for sharing it with
us SAMSR TOLBERT /SUTPHIN (Cousin)
Sure did enjoy viewing the web site .Thanks for sharing .
Alice"Sutphen" Cooper -Columbus, Ks.
I thought this might interest those who have Wiley in their lines:
North Carolina
On the evening of December 24th 1851, a number of persons attended the
examination of a school in the lower end of Carrol County (VA). Some boys
raised a quarrel with part of the scholars - and a lad named Warren BOLT
(not a scholar,) drew a pistol upon one of the pupils. Major C. TURMAN, a
justice of the peace, went among the youths to suppress the riot, and a man
named Wiley SUTPHIN, took the pistol from Bolt. Some person unfortunately
cried out that the pistol was not loaded. Sutphin handed it to Major
Turman, and as he was in the act of examining the weapon it fired - the
ball entered Sutphin's head just over the left eye, causing instantaneous
death. A coroner's jury sat, on Christmas Day, and in accordance with the
facts, returned a verdict of "accidental death," entirely exculpating Major
Turman from blame. He was in fact on especially friendly terms with the
unfortunate victim of a bad boy's misconduct. Sutphin was about thirty-five
years old and left a destitute widow and three small children. About ten
days ago, Mr. John SUTPHIN, of Carrol County, uncle of the man whose death
occurred at the school house which we have mentioned, was returning with
his wagon from North Carolina. In the neighborhood of Mt. Airy, his team
ran away with him - he was thrown under the wagon, two wheels passed over
his body, dislocating his shoulder, and otherwise terribly crushing him. It
is hoped however, that he will recover.
Extracted from People's Press, (Salem) N.C., Vol. I., No. 48. January 10,
1852Kenneth, thank you so much. All it says in the court records is shooting by
Christopher Turman, accidental.
You have solved a very old puzzle and I have passed the information on to a
KY. cousin who is a Wiley descendent.
This is the best find we have had in ages.
Everyone look very closely at the information on JOHN SUTPHIN. It states he
was an UNCLE to Wiley Sutphin. We have never known who Wiley belonged to, I
have always suspected he was s/o one of Old William Sutphin's daughters,
this does not prove me right, but proves he was NOT a son of Old William
Sutphin.
Very exciting for us Carroll County Suts.
Hugs Kenneth,
Mary Anne
Dear Mary Anne,
You are very welcome. Your posting made my day, month, make
that year. I have gained so much information from SCOL I am glad to give
something back. I also wish to thank you and Lois for the great book
Sutphin Cousins Too. I have been going over it and love the details about
their lives I find.
I still have found no proof that Archibald Taylor Sutphin b1849 was my
Grandfather's dad but will keep looking.
I am considering a free bi monthly news letter on the Sutphin's. Do you
think there would be much interest for such a thing or is SCOL enough? I am
disabled and have time to carry such a project for at couple of years. KenUnfortunately I will not be able to go to NJ as planned. My mother Bessie
Arlene
Sutphin Gunn has had several heart attacks since Easter, (she is 90) and is
back in the hospital for the third time, as of yet not sure when she will be
home. Maybe one of these days I will make it there. Pat BakerPat, I am so sorry to hear of your mother's health problems and I hope she
recuperates quickly. What a wonderful age.
Sorry also about the trip being delayed, we were hoping you would find our
missing links. :-)
Mary Anne
Best wishes to your mother and I will pray for her.
Tammy Tolbert Hudsoncase some of you guys go to my site and can't get in, I have a
explanation, I
installed some bad HTML and it would not Scroll, the pages, so the only thing
for me to do, was to start over, but I will be up again in a few
days, you can get
to the first page with the URL below, which is a new address, see you soon.
Phillip.
Ken, where did you find the information from "Peoples Press? A website? If
so please share the url.
Since I have not seen any responses to your message, except mine, and I know
we have several NC. John Sutphin descendents on SCOL, I want to ask if any
of them ever heard of the accident and John's injury.
BTW there is a forest fire on Fancy Gap Mountain, near Cana, VA. which is
not far from Mt. Airy. The Fancy Gap road, State Route 52, may have been the
road John was traveling.
I heard from the KY Cousin, he was so happy to have the information. Wiley
was his 4th great grandfather.
A Sutphin Newsletter, sounds like a good idea, let's hear
thoughts on it.
Regards all,
Mary Anne
will then real Phillip Sutphin send me an e-mail, i have a story to tell you
you wont believe ,i had to replace my pc. lost your address (phillip &
Tazwell)father an grand father . theold address was something mindspring>com
RSVP ASAP SAMSR*/
I guess I have been called almost everything , but a Imposter, and
as far a nut
goes, I wondered why the Squirrels were always after me, so now according
to Tammy, I know, Thanks Tammy you catch on fast. Here is a excerpt from a
SAMSTER , Sam, Sammy Tolbert I think?
Subject: Re: pictures
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 00:15:23 -0400
X-Priority: 3
Phil,glad to hear from you ,i see you are in bushnell fl. we lived about 3
hrs south of there from72 until summer of 93 when i moved here in N.C. it is
much nicer in west palm beach than any other place i have been in fla. we
have 5 of our children that live in JUPITER (20)miles north of wpb.Tammy has
a new computer her address is "mailto:djtv882201@aol.com" send her a letter if you
wish ,i'll send the pictures tomorrow, that takes about 5days from here see
ya cousin SAM
>Yes Samuel I would appreciate it very much if you sent the pictures,
>real glad you asked, thanks Phil.
>
will then real Phillip Sutphin send me an e-mail, i have a story to tell you
you wont believe ,i had to replace my pc. lost your address (phillip &
Tazwell)father an grand father . theold address was something mindspring>com
Dear Phil,
I said no such thing about you. That was a letter posted from my father not
me. I sent you a private e-mail as I don't think this mess should be
discussed through SCOL.
Sincerely, Tammy Tolbert HudsonHi Mary Anne, users.erols.com/fmoran/ppcarrol.html is the answer to your
question. If I can help just let me know!
KenSutphin news letter sounds great to me
Tammy Tolbert HudsonA news letter sounds like something i would suport ,great idea SAMSR TOLBERT
/SUTPHIN
Anyone interested in the Riley Sutphin family line, he is my 2gr grpa. I
have been researching 35 years so have some of Riley's ancestry and will
share. Threw away 25 years of assumed information last year for Mary
Huff/Hoff, Riley's grandmother, and am working to redo that line. Anyone
with Patrick or Henry County, VA information would be a big help. Theory
Mary's maiden name may have been Hale/Haile, daughter of Joseph and Rachel
Hale [1798 (proved 1803) Patrick Co, VA will Joseph Hale has daughter Mary
Huff]. @1791 Patrick County from Henry County. Joseph's children went to
Montgomery Co, VA @1790. Lois in Nebraska "mailto:johnsten@micrord.com"The newsletter sounds like a great idea. I am related to John Sutphin and
was fascinated to read the article!
julia
Would you stick to Sutphins in your newsletter, or share queries on
collateral lines? I like the idea of a newsletter. Good Luck. Lois in
Nebraska
Will the real Phil Sutphin please stand up?
Well, I don't know about being the real one or not but I AM called Phil
Sutphin. Not the one with the nice web site but the tall guy from Lynchburg/
Madison Heights ,Va. I have been writing Sam Tolbert off and on for about a
year now and his nice daughter Tammy a couple of times I guess. I suspect
Sam just got the two Phils mixed up.....mistakes are something we all make
right? Something people should know is that I doubt that Sam meant it
seriously, or with insult to anyone by using the word "imposter". He's
always been really kind and nice in his mailings to me. I feel he is a
GENUINE good soul. Sometimes, the words one writes can take on a hostile or
rude meaning when we can't see the expression on the face. This has gotten
me into trouble more than once. Sam is also a man of some good humor....I
can't see him really intending to insult anyone.
Sorry I haven't stayed in touch with you all...a little family crisis. Hi to
Mike and Mary Ann and the rest. And of course the other Phil....liked your
site.
Just in case there is still a question, I'm the one named Phillip D.
Sutphin....my father is Phillip Tazwell Sutphin and his
father.........Tazwell Sutphin. My e-mail address is
"mailto:sutphin3450@mindspring.com"
Sincerely
Phil SutphinI've been lurking on SCOL, with not a lot of time to respond to things --end
of the school year, and all--but I'm interested in seeing if there are any
new findings about the Sut's and MS/leg problems/depression. My mother,
Belle Sutphin Willis, from the Hendrick Sutphin line, has suffered from
fibromyalgia (I hope I'm spelling that one correctly) for decades. Also
evidence of depression in the family. Does anyone have anything new on this?
Also, my sisters and I, as well as 3 nieces, have knee problems. Are knee
problems showing up as a common problem with leg disorders?
This may be an "old" topic of discussion, so please feel free to respond
privately, rather than onto the list. (I don't want to fill up everyone's
e-mail with topics that are not of interest to everyone). Thanks...SCOL is
wonderful!!
Jan Willis Parker
Lawrenceville, GAJan, I would love to go more in depth on this also, I have a niece with the
fib..........problem, (didn't attempt spelling) plus I am the one with two
children with MS.....let's keep this going so that we can find more info on
it....also we show a disease called Ehler's Danlos in our genes, any
Sutphin know of this one....Karron
Yes, any info would be great, I too am of the Riley lineI am not in Hendrick's line, but in William Sutphin Sr.'s line. I have
fibromyalgia, as does my son. Depression is often a by-product of fibro.
Knee problems can often be related to lower back problems and once again,
fibro.
My great-aunt Aura Sutphin Gentle and I both had a mitral valve prolapse in
our hearts. Do others have this?
julia
My daughter is a william Sutphin decendent through her Father's side. She has
fibromyalgia and resultant depression. her Great Grandmother on her Father's
Maternal side was a Sutphin.
Joan, how wonderful you made the trip. Now you see why an Ohio lady would
never settle for flatlands again.
Too bad you missed Buffalo Presbyterian Church. (The Rock Church,) It is
beautiful with the manse nearby. If you had followed Buffalo Mtn. Rd. a
little further, you would have been in Carroll County, (past the church) and
very near where your grandfather was born. Also you would have been three
miles from our farm.
The sight of Buffalo Mountain always stirs something inside all of us
Sutphins. I have climbed to the top, I was younger then, I am not sure I
could do it again. You can stand on the ledge and see for miles,
I am happy you took that trip, I wish all our Virginia cousins could.
Regards,
Mary Anne
Thanks Kenneth, this is a neat site. No Carroll history, other then Wiley,
it has a couple articles about the formation of Surry Co. NC. which is of
interest to those researching in NC.
It is hard to keep up with county changes.
Thank you again,
Mary Anne
Anyone interested in the Riley Sutphin family line, he is my 2gr grpa. I
have been researching 35 years so have some of Riley's ancestry and will
share. Threw away 25 years of assumed information last year for Mary
Huff/Hoff, Riley's grandmother, and am working to redo that line. Anyone
with Patrick or Henry County, VA information would be a big help. Theory
Mary's maiden name may have been Hale/Haile, daughter of Joseph and Rachel
Hale [1798 (proved 1803) Patrick Co, VA will Joseph Hale has daughter Mary
Huff]. @1791 Patrick County from Henry County. Joseph's children went to
Montgomery Co, VA @1790. Lois in Nebraska "mailto:johnsten@micrord.com"I have been in touch with someone from Holland who has written a book about
the Zutphen's. Below is a copy of the information on ordering the book:
Hallo Ken,
You want my book about van Zutphen.
Remit 28 US (14 US for the book and 14 US for shipping) on INGBNL2a
7985725 name J.Bielars mention book van Zutphen.
After reciept I send you the book.
With kindest regards
Koos Bielars
Do you know anything about the book? Is it in English?
julia
I have two pics, one of George W. Sutphin and family and one identified as
Simon Sutphin, Mary Good (Goad?), Harley Gardner and Julita Sutphin. I can
send them to anyone as an e-mail attachment if you want. I don't have an
anti-virus program though and you could be taking a big chance.
Deb
Hello Ken, By the bank you can with an international pay-form sent the money. The first numbers INGBNL2a are the numbers of my land Holland. The number 7985725 is my account. Greetings Koos BielarsThanks for t he info;;;;as I said,I cannot take advantage this year as we are booked to go to England but it s ure looks interesting for the future.KenI received two of these crazy virus letters yesterday, which makes
about a dozen or so that I have received in the past few months, they
used Mary Ann's E Mail address on two of them. I have a special way
that I can open those virus laden letters and not get infected, and I
think after opening the one's I received yesterday there is enough
clues that it can be traced, I turned it over to the proper
authorities and you just might be hearing that one of your cousins
has been nabbed. It is a shame that some people have the same
mentality as Tim McVay, but the Lord said Vengeance is mine, and the
truth is as sharp as a two edged Sword . (Think about it) Phillip H
--
Marking on a Tomb Stone:As You Are:I Once Was: As I Am You Will Be....Hi Phil. I had quite a problem with virus until I changed to a different
anti-virus program. Also, using Outlook Express, there is a place to "block
sender." So far this has worked and saved me the annoyance of receiving the
Snow White virus.
I doubt anyone on the list sending it intentionally. The virus attaches to
email addresses. After I received a note from you, I ran two different scans
on my computer, it is clean. But if there is an attachment to this note,
don't open.The best thing to do is delete all attachments you are not
expecting. If I am sending Mike or Lois, or any of my correspondents an
attachment, I send a note prior. This way they know it is from me.
Glad to hear you have a good anti-virus program, everyone should have one.
There are thousands of different viruses. I am not a computer or virus
expert, but I am sure good at catching them. I hope whoever started Snow
White, is found.
It was always said Rootsweb mailing lists were safe from virus, not so
anymore. Some generous, who could be doing something with their life, has
breeched Rootsweb, according to a letter fro Larry Stevens.
Be careful folks,
Regards,
Mary Anne
I, too, have had this virus come to me several times. I have tried to
observe a pattern to see if I could find out what email addresses the virus
was directly attached to . No luck -- at least I haven't opened it and it
doesn't seem to be doing anything to my computer.
julia
I've downloaded the pictures of Simon Sutphin and the family of George W.
Sutphin to my Myfamily website, if you'd like to view them let me know and I
will have an invitation to the site sent to you. This is the safest way I
know how to do this. My site is a cluttered mess, like my house. Have a great
weekend!
Deb
Deb,
Any idea what family your pictures belong to? I have a half-uncle George W.
Sutphin (b1878 Carroll Co), son of John Anderson Sutphin and second wife
Caroline Marshall. Could one of your pictures be his family?
Jason
Hi Tammy,
This is a very active site, I think it was Donna Smith that posted a
notice yesterday in SCOL and stated that she would give an invitation
to any one that wanted to see some Pic's. I knew I had a site on my
family com so I went there and she has her site connected to mine, I
was invited by a Marshall I think to link to her site. When you are
invited by someone, then you can build a site and transfer messages,
Photo's and the like, and in the meantime you will be connected to My
site and also Donna, and the Sutphin Site, if you look at the
pictures I put up this morning, they will be in the Sutphin Hatcher
& Marshall Album. I have 5 pages I put up some 4 years ago in a
album, I almost forgot that I put it up. The best thing to do is
register for a page and you will be automatically linked to the
others, if you have a problem drop me a E Mail I will Help if I can.
Phillip B
hey
i just joined scol and your address jumped off the
page at me i tried to get that as my address, but some
one had it. small world. well i just thought that was
the collest and strangest thing. hope you dont mind
the e-mail. would it be ok if i add you to my address
book?
Michelle Newman
I think it would be better if we remember to change the subject lines when
appropriate.
I got like 6 e-mails with the subject line "Test" and it had nothing to do
with the subject. All of our posting go into the Archives and if you post
some important information it will be hard to find if the subject line is not
correct.
Tammy Tolbert HudsonDear Kin,
Phillip Hatcher has invited you to a new Hatcher Family Website website, a free website at MyFamily.com, and would like you to participate!
Phillip, Ken, Julia, Tammy, and others, it will be worth it
to come and browse photographs, there is one of Tazewell Sutphin
and his two brothers, and many more that I don't know, but if you
do as the administrator of the site I will fix it so any one of
you can edit the text, upload a photo. copy a photograph to your disk and
so on, set up a chat schedule for a certain date or time. Hey it is
worth a look. Cheers Phillip B
joan and mary anne
Well it nice to know the suthpin's love the mtn as
much as i do, the flat lands are hard to handle i know
coming back from va beach the first hill/bump in the
rd is around south boston, va. (amazing what mountian
girls notice)
Joan it sounds like you were only 5 miles or so from
my home. I live on Buffalo Mtn Rd.
For anyone close enough to come they are having a
stawberry festival this saturday may 26th (its a
yearly event) at Buffalo Mtn Presbyterian Church.
Their pastor is Bryon Childress, who use to come
preach for our friday chapel services at Mira Fork
Christian Academy (also on rt 758/ buffalo mtn rd.
Deb,, I would like an invitation to view the Simon Sutphin picture.
I am just starting on my genealogical journey and am fascinated by the many
branches I know my immediate family, Father & Grandfather came at some point
in their life, from West Virginia. Anything prior to that, I am not sure.
Thanks for your help,
Linda Sutphin
"mailto:msmona88@aol.com"
Lacey Springs, Va.
Kristin here in Seattle. Sutfin in Seattle? Well, sort of.
My granddad is Marvin Jacob Sands(Sutfin). His dad was Miles F. Sutfin =
b. 1895 in Georgetown, CO. His father was John Franklin"Frank" Sutfin b. =
1866 in Clinton Co., MI to John Wesley Sutfin and Christina Covert. John =
W. b. 1823 in Yates Co., NY to Gysbert Sutfin. It gets a bit fuzzy here =
but I think Gysberts father was Derick Sutfin of Orange Co., NY.=20
KristinRandy:
Thats a good idea. I thought perhaps someone on this list might
have had a pow. I'll look up the record again and see what war--or date of
death. Perhaps I can find more on this person, I'll try. Ina S.
Ida Ellen Sutphin, Mother. June 12 1897>>>>Gilbert Sutphin March 7 1875
Elliott Sutphin April 1 1853>>>>>Jordon Sutphin 1826>>>>John Sutphin
1790>>>>>Hendrick Henry Sutphin 1768>>>>>>>>Phil.Mother Lorria Mae, d/o Amon R. Sutpin and Mary Ocie Marshall; s/o George
Walter;s/o Benjamin Elliott; s/o Jordan; s/o John S.; s/o Hendrick.
My father's side is Mayberry probably originally Bedford Co. to Appomattox
Co., but can't find the links.
Take Care
Deb
Here's my line:
Mother: Joyce Pack daughter of..
William Raymond Pack son of..
Nancy Amelia Tolbert daughter of..
William Allen Tolbert son of..
Elindor Sutphin daughter of..
William Sutphin, Sr. (VA)
Dixie's Grandpa Sherman Tolbert is a brother to my G Grandmother
Nancy Tolbert.
BrendaMy parents were Albert Watson Cook and Virginia Lee Martin. Her parents were
Clarence Aubrey Martin and Snowey Etta Weeks. Her parents were John Van Dorn
Weeks and Mary Cordelia Lowman. His parents were William Augustus Weeks and
Nancy J. (aka Nancy Miranda) Sutphin. Her parents were William Tyler
Sutphin and Nancy Mabry (Maberry). His parents were Hendrick Sutphin and
Rachael Owen.
Al Cook
Vero Beach, Florida
Shauna Sutphin here-
w/o Michael David Sutphin
s/o W. A. Sutphin & Gloria Burr,
s/o Addison Warren Sutphin & Cosetta McKinney,
s/o Leander L. Sutphin & ElMira Reynolds,
s/o Celia Sutphin,
d/o John Wesly Sutphin & Lucy Tolbert,
s/o John Sutphin & Celia Hylton,
s/o Hendrick Sutphin & Rachel Owen,
s/o ?????????????SCOL Central checking in here...
Mike Sutphin
s/o James G. Sutphin & Dora Blanche Wade
s/o William Albert (Bert) Sutphin & Sarah Alice Lindsey
s/o William (Bill) Sutphin & Virginia Quesenberry
s/o Elijah Sutphin & Drucilla Nichols
s/o William Sutphin Sr. & Alcey UNKNOWN
s/o How how I wish I knew... Kenneth Edward Sutphin>>Kenneth Taylor Sutphin>>Chester Arthur
Sutphin>>Archibald Taylor Sutphin>>Hendrick Sutphin>>William Sutphin, Sr
and beyond.
Found this at the Harbour message board on "http://www.ancestry.com" :
Denise,
Twenty years ago I hunted for Jane Harbour with no success.Gave up
genealogy and on a whim decided to look at sites. There, bold and
beautiful, were my gr.gr grandparents, Jane and Hendrick. Their son,
Benjamin, traveled around Boone County, teaching singing schools, and he
used to let my mother go with him. It was at one of these that she met my
father.
Whatever you have about the Harbours would be appreciated.
Ken again,
This is the first info I have found on my GG uncle. Glad to finally
find how I am rela
ted to some of you. Still working on the newsletter idea
but have had health and family problems to overcome first.
You folks are the greatest! I have worked on many lines and some will not
give you any information and others will not share at all. But Sutphins
have always been the easiest to work with for me.
your web crawling cousin, KenKen & Inas,
Have you tried inlisting the help of your District
Congressman? I have seen on the founddogtags site where congressmen have
helped to locate families for Rob & Jim. I of course don't know who your
Congressman is, or how he would react to a request to help find out who this
Sut might be. Most likely if it were an Election year he would no doubt
help........great P.R. for the Congressperson, write up in local paper. Might
be worth a try. Our Congressman, Bob Goodlatte, helped Rob & Jim locate a
family here in Va., so that their Son's Dog Tags could be returned to them.
Just a thought.
Cousin Randy Sutphin
Becky Cripe here: beginning with my mother:
Virginia Elizabeth Miller
Mallie Elizabeth Sutfin (1897/AR)
John Thomas Sutfin (1854/AR)
Lewis H. Sutfin (1807/TN)
Still searching for Lewis' parents.
BeckyJulie Sutfin here. Jack Sutfin, Urbin Ray Sutfin, Charles Ellis
Sutfin, Daniel A Sutfin, James A Sutfin, Jacobus "James" Sutfin/Sutphen (b.
1756),Aert Sutphen/phin (Arthur), Guisbert Van Zutphen/Sutphen/phin, Dirck
Van Zutphen.
Still mainly a lurker - :) My lines married some of the Sutphin's
- Carroll Co. Va bunch - Goad, Dalton, Nester, Largen, Ogle, Semones,
Cochran, Cock, Thomas.
Sharon Minton HillHi:
The Sutfin line I am working on is my husband's Ken, his dad was
John Addison Sutfin b.1884, s/o John L. Sutfin b. 1848, s/o Nathaniel
Douglas Sutfin b. 1818, s/o James Sutfin b. 1795, s/o Gilbert Sutfin/Sutphen
b. bet. 1764-9, s/o Jacobus "James" Sutphen b. abt 1735, s/o Guisbert
Sutphen b. 1693, s/o Dirck Janse VanZutphen b. bef 1645 Holland.
I am still working on our tree, mostly my side now but keep running
into Suts all over. I checked the US Rootsweb site and ran a search on
Sutfin/Sutphin/Sutphen and found an unknown Sut buried in a National
Cemetery in Peurto Rico....any one know who this soldier was? I don't
remember which spelling I used in the search but I do remember running a
search on all three spellings, so if you try use them all, and you will find
the one I mean.
Ina S.Randy Sutphin here,
Starting with my Father and working back.
Jack E. Sutphin & Virginia Steiss
Lafayette T. Sutphin & Mary Saunders
Milton V. Sutphin & Lucinda Reynolds
James Sutphin & Amelia/ Milly Sutphin (
1st cousins )
William T. Sutphin & Nancy Mayberry (
parents of Amelia)
Owen/ Oan Sutphin & Sally Thompson
Hendrick Sutphin & Rachel Owen
I am glad the dog tags were returned to a living veteran. Getting the tags
of a lost loved one would be both wonderful and awful. Dog Tags are
something special. Lois in Nebraska
In Some four years ago I found Family.com, and the first thing I did was
upload a Gedcom file, so the family could build their personal family
tree, and I found out you could upload Pictures, Swap, messages,
Chat, Download pictures, Files, and
so on. I made a 5 page Picture album, and you can share the pictures
with who ever
has signed on by Invitation, when I saw Donna Smith's posting, I
looked up my Password and went to my site, and Donna was on my list
as well as a Marshall who wanted me to share my site some two years
ago, so I did, but in the process
of learning to build web sites I almost forgot about the site. So if
any of you are
interested send me a Blank E Mail with your name and E Mail Address,
which most of you have in the Heading of your letter and I will go to
the site and you will
receive a User name and Pass word which you can change after you log in.
OK?? Phillip H
Deb, I don't think you can send an attachment through St Johns EDU,
you could have put it on your Family Com Web site and then she could
have access to all the Sutphin Photographs.
You need to open your preferences on your E Mail and Change your
format for sending Text, don't you agree???
Phil.
I have received 2 applications for the Daughters of the American Revolution.
The first applicant was from a Lois Helen Maroney dated 1955. This person
proved lineage to Derick Sutphin born 10/18/1722 .
I will go down the lineage if anyone is interested.
The 2nd applicant was Daisy Haviland dated 1972 who proves lineage to Abraham
Sutphin born 12/25/1719 son of Derick Sutphin and Marie Longstreet of
Monmouth NJ
Tammy Tolbert HudsonTammy,
I would really appreciate the lineage information on both as well as the
application numbers. etc.
Abraham Sutphen is the brother of Katrina Sutphen who is a direct ancestor of my
wife.
Thank you!
Daisy Heavilon (Haviland)
State Indiana
City Frankfort
Name of Chapter Capt. Harmon Aughe
Application verified and approved Nov. 8,1973
Nominated and recommended byMary J. Heavilon and Ruth C. Heavilon
Joseph Heavilon born 6/29/1840 at Wisconsin Territory died at Frankfort,
Indiana on 12/31/1928 and his first or second wife Jessie A. Carter born
11/8/1856 at Frankfort, Indiana died at Frankfort, Indiana on 4/3/1953
married on 3/14/1876.
The said Joseph Heavilon was the child of Taylor Heavilon born 7/17/1808 at
Freehold New Jersey Monmouth Co. died at Frankfort, Indiana on 12/25/1874 and
his first or second wife Sarah (Sally) Potter born 5/9/1819 at Wells, VT
(Rutland Co.) died at Frankfort, Indiana 8/6/1907 married 6/17/1837 Wis.
The said Taylor Heavilon was the child of Joseph Heavilon born on 8/29/1780
at Monmouth Co. New Jersey died at Frankfort,Indiana on 1/4/1867 and his
first or second wife Lydia Sutphen born 4/1/1785 at Monmouth Co. NJ died at
Frankfort, Indiana on 3/31/1866 married on 12/4/1805.
The said Lydia Sutphen was the child of Abraham Sutphen born 6/9/1745 at
Freehold, NJ. Monmouth Co. died Freehold, NJ. on 1827 and his first or second
wife Deborah Nichols born and died NJ.
The said Abraham Sutphen was the child of Derick (Direck) Sutphen bpt
12/25/1719 at (Tennent) Monmouth Co. NJ. died at Freehold, NJ. Monmouth Co.
2/4/1794 and his first or second wife Marie Longstreet born 1721 died 1790
married 4/17/1740 GOV. LIC.
On the bottom of the page it says: Will dated Sept. 17,1790
Will proved Feb. 4,1794
On the next page it lists children of Revolutionary Ancestor:
Catherine bpt. 1743
Abraham bpt. 1745 married Deborah Nichols
Marie bpt 1748
Aaron Derich 12/4/1761 married 1st Sarah Chasey married 2nd Jane Voorhees.
Children proved by will in NJ. archives 1st series vol. 38 page 357.
The last page lists Ancestors Services and it states:
Derick Sutphen was Sergeant, of Captain Smock's Artillery Co. Monmouth NJ.
There is no application number listed.
This concludes the 1st applicant.
Tammy Tolbert HudsonHello Everyone,
Well I am safely back from my annual motorcycle trip to Myrtle Beach, SC.
What a delightful trip... lots of fun, lots of riding, and LOTS of
motorcycles and traffic.
Today, we welcome three new cousins to our wonderful SCOL adventure. Here
are their notes to me:
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Hello Mike !
Yes I would like to join SCOL. I found the site and was realy glad I
did.
I am the 4th generation of DAVID CROCKETT SUTPHIN, born 1858 in Boon Co.
WV. David was the 9th generation of JAN VAN ZUTPHEN, born 1600 in
Zutphen, Holland.
I was raised up in PEARISBURG,VA... I now live in LUMBERTON, NC.
Delbert EugeneSutphin
"mailto:dalekids@carolina.net"
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Hi,
Joshua Sutphin was my great grandfather.I have enjoyed reading you site. I
would love to hear from you.
Sharon Basil
"mailto:sharon.basil@verizon.net"
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Hello Mike,
My name is Darren Scott Sutphen I am one of three brothers who do not know a
lot about our family line. Our father Charles (Chazz Sutphen who was born in
Columbus Ohio passed away a few years ago. He was an only child whose
parents have both passed away. Our father also had two daughters from a
previous marriage that we have never seen. My grandparents names were Walt
and Jean Sutphen who lived most of their lives in East Liverpool, Ohio. I
would love to get the chance to know more about my family history and
possibly even find my two sisters out there somewhere (maybe California).
I would love to join your group and start on my journey to find out more
about my family history and to possibly find my two sisters. Please tell me
anything and everything I can do to help the group to fill any blanks about
my family tree. I am not sure what the next step would be here but I am most
willing and excited to do so. I look foward to hearing from you and the
group soon!
Thank You!
Darren Sutphen
606 Hattaway Dr.
Altamonte Spring, FL 32701
"mailto:CICPainting@aol.com"
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We extend a warm SCOL welcome to our new cousins... and hope their SCOL
adventure is an exciting and informative one.
That's all for now folks...
MikeWelcome new cousins, and welcome home, Mike. Glad you had a safe trip.
Mary Anne: The birds are getting big. Have sure enjoyed watching them hatch
and grow. Thank you. Lois in NebraskaArrange.com claims to be the largest repositiory of obituaries. I typed in
Sutphin and found 50 that have died since 1999. "http://arrangeonline.com/"
is the site address. KenThank you Kenneth, this is a good site. Too bad they do not have earlier
obits, maybe eventually.
Any more thought on a Sutphin Newsletter?
Mary Anne
I will probably change some of the pages in the site listed below
after Memorial Day, but if any of you people that did not hit the
road, you are welcome to view
the URL below, Drive Safe...... A trooper stopped a guy that was
weaving on the road and he asked him a question, Haven't you heard
about , if you drink don't drive?? And the drunk said yes!! The
Trooper says well let's hear it.!! The drunk said , If you don't
drink , then don't drive, but if you drink DRIVE!!!!! Next stop
JAIL. Phillip B
Hi Mary Anne, I have been debating between a web page or a newsletter
updated every 2 months. I have two family reunions to get ready for first.
(Sutphin and Scritchfield). I am shooting for mid to late July for the
first Whatever it is. If I go with the website I was thinking mostly links
with an explanation of the site. I think the plus is that it would be
available for a longer length of time and could be found also by non
members of Scol. A newsletter would be more inclusive of Scol and only
those requesting it would know of it. Maybe the Scol site is enough of
a "newsletter" already and would be even better if everyone took the time
to share their net discoveries. What do you think? KenI hope Youse People had a safe Holiday, and arrived home ok, as for
me I worked on the Sutphin Photo Album, I think I finished two or
three pages, I hope you will save the URL below because it is
different than the one you currently have. Ken that is a good Idea
about the LINK site, I had several on this site, but I have no Idea
if they were ever used. The first counter I had, showed over 1000
visits in about 5 months. I don't mind trying to keep it up dated
with fresh material, if I think that I am serving a purpose, but then
I need some feed back. Thanks Sam anytime you want to send the
photographs , I will put them up... Will Mary Ann and the people that
are on the list send me a personnel picture of your self? I would
love to see who I have been talking too, and I am sure you would like
to see them also, all of you who have visited the site have seen my
mug, so whatta you say
send a photograph, I just may be able to get you in the movies, OK??
Phil.
I did not keep the address of Ms.Newman from Buffalo Mt. I want to ask =
her if she is kin to Matilda Newman?? She is a grandmother on my =
grandmother Laura Alderman Sutphin. J Norman
We are here Joan, the list is quiet isn't it. Maybe because people like me
are not responding? ;-)
Ken, a web site with Sutphin/Sutphen Newsletter sounds great. It would reach
more people then a newsletter. We can share our news, new grandchildren,
weddings, weather, (did you hear of or 40-50 vehicle pile up on I-77?
Again), that way the folk who are not interested in my part of the world,
Carroll County won't have to read about.
Phil, your site always looks good, a pleasure to visit.
Hope all had a happy and safe Memorial Day. How many of you, besides Phil
and I remember it being called Decoration Day. We marched through the town,
from the school where we had just eaten lunch served to the heroes by the
"Ladies Aid Society", to the local cemetery and laid flowers on the graves
of the veterans. Had Memorial services, speeches, etc. then marched back to
the school. The girls and ladies all in white dresses, most of the men in
dark suits or their uniforms. My memories of after WW2, (No I do not
remember WW1 ;-) are very vivid.
Regards,
Mary Anne
Ken, I would be interested in a website with Sutphin/Sutphen Newsletter. I
don't have any current family with the name of Sutphin, not since about 1857
when Mary Margaret Sutphin married Richard McMillion, but I am always
interested in what is going on with Sutphins/Sutphens. And Phil, I remember
when Memorial Day was called Decoration Day and also when it was always on
30th of May, not lthe last Monday in May. Both of you, please keep up the
good work you've been doing. I thoroughly enjoy your efforts.
Shirley Lamson Nelson VerbriggheMary ann ,ken, and Phil and the rest who make SCOL interesting and enjoyable
i commend you for all you have done for the rest of us as members of SCOL I
THANK YOU I"M A VETERAN ALSO ,SAMSR /SUTPHIN/TOLBERT
Yes, Mary Anne, I remember Decoration Day (May 30, whether it was a Monday
or not!) very well! Mother & I cut all the flowers we had the night before,
to make bouquets (anywhere from 10 - 18 of them) for "decorating" the graves
of my grandparents, great-grandparents, great aunts & uncles, etc. We saved
juice cans all year, leaving the papers on until the last minute, so they
would be nice and bright. Baskets for the grandparents, cans for everyone
else. Early that morning we loaded the bouquets for one cemetery in the
car, took them and placed them on the graves, back home and loaded those for
the other cemetery, took them.
We had to hurry to get into our band uniforms. Our school band marched
(without some of the Seniors, who had already graduated the week before) in
the parade, usually starting around 9:00, to the cemetery, with the drummers
playing the cadence on the rims, to keep us in step, but not be loud.
After the ceremonies and speeches (boring to kids), we marched back. My
brother and I had to hurry home, change to American Legion Band uniforms,
meet for a lunch, and then we marched in at least 2 different parades (to
smaller cemeteries in the county) in the afternoon.
Quite a trip down memory lane!
Carol
One of my fondest memories as a child is going out with my mother to put the
little flags in the flag holders at veterans graves in the small cemeteries
all around the area we lived. My Dad was in the veterans color guard that
did the memorial ceremonies at each cemetery. Now the little cemeteries
don't have ceremonies, and the names of the deceased veterans are read at
our town cemetery during its ceremony. There are over 300 names on the list
so they just read names from World War II on. A local veteran made a "field
of crosses" with ALL the names. It is very impressive. We have it at our
local Historical Center and people walk in and stop when they see it. He
used two large sheets of styrafoam painted green, and used popsicle sticks
painted white for crosses. The names are typed cut outs glued to the
crosses. He was very careful to make sure each cross was lined up straight
long, across, and angled--just like a military cemetery. We get a lot of
static because all the area veterans names are not represented. What we
have is all those buried in our area, not every man or woman from the area
who was a veteran. It is still worth seeing. Lois in NebraskaLois, what a wonderful memorial. You must take a picture and Mike and Phil
can add to their veteran's page.
Mary Anne
Mike and Phil: Would that be OK? I watched a professional photographer
take pictures of it for the newspaper Memorial Day insert, so I could try to
stand where he stood to shoot. What address do I use to send the picture?
Lois
Phil,
Armistice Day, 11 November is now called Veterans Day. But it was always
Armistice Day when I was growing up.
Shirley
I just wanted to let you all know that I found the
e-mails about decoration day very interesting. I
can't remember ever doing anyhting like that but it
sounds like something I will have to try to make a
family tradition from now on.
Thanks,
Michelle Newman "chell"
P.S.
wasn't that wreck on 77 something, that lady from
Ohio is so lucky to be alive a couple of my friends
worked the accident scene.
mary anne do you know who was in the one on 58W at the
industrial park? I haven't been able to find out from
any of the fire dept or rescue members that went.
Chell
HI
I just married into the Newman family,I was a Sartin
and my greatgrand parents were Ousley's/Goad's. I will
check w/ my in-laws to see if they are related to her.
Michelle Newman
I think Phil is trying to make me sound old. :-)
I am pushing it, but I really don't remember the Armistice.
Mary Anne
Hi Chell. In Carroll and Floyd County, and I am sure other counties,
families have their own "Decoration Day." They pack a picnic lunch and go to
the family cemetery to clean it up, plant flowers, trim and mow. In some of
the larger cemeteries which are not perpetual care, each family will clean
their family plot, help others and clean off some of the plots which no
longer have descendants caring for them. If you watch "The Carroll News,"
you will see these days being announced. They are great for visiting the
folk you only see once a year or so. It also keeps you in touch with your
roots.
Mary Anne
Hi - I have looked up my info on Matilda Newman/John Alderman. She was the
daughter of Elizabeth Montgomery/Alex Newman. son of Conrad Newman/Ann
Brubeck. Elizabeth Montgomery, dau of Erwin Montgomery/Sarah Hiatt. Are
these your husband's relatives?? Joan>Hi cousin,
>My name is Lillian Hubbard Stanley d/o James Madison & Annie Ruth Rogers
>Hubbard,Jr. My grandparents are James Madison & Emily Frances Rickman
>Hubbard. I have done a lot search on Hubbards, Hatchers, Brammer, etc. My
>ggrandparents are William Zachariah b. 1850 Jacks Creek, PCVA d. Sept, 1914 &
>Mary Elizabeth Jones Conner Hubbard. m. Oct 15, 1870 Floyd, Va They divorce
>1900.
>Iwas looking into William Hubbard information, I run into Gordon Hubbard's
>name. I do need all the information on them and also Simon Hubbard's and his
>families. I have a lot of information Agnes Hatcher , she is my
>gggandmother who ma. Benjamin B. Hubbard. I went back as far as Jesse Hubbard
>b. 1760 m. Anna or Annie ? .
>If you have any information send them to me. I thank I have Gordon's phone #.
>
>Thank you
>Lillian
Armistice Day is November 11, the anniversary of the end of World War I. At
school we used to all stand with bowed heads at 11:00, while "Taps" was
played in the hallway. It is now called Veteran's Day, occurs on a Monday,
regardless of the actual date, and some people have forgotten completely
about those who died in WWI. I guess that was inevitable, as time passed.
A large percentage of our population are so young that they don't remember
WWII, or even the Korean War, for that matter.
Hi - I have looked up my info on Matilda Newman/John Alderman. She was the
daughter of Elizabeth Montgomery/Alex Newman. son of Conrad Newman/Ann
Brubeck. Elizabeth Montgomery, dau of Erwin Montgomery/Sarah Hiatt. Are
these your husband's relatives?? Joan
Did this letter come thru this a.m. It was for the newly wed Newman lady.phil i'm still waiting for you to send the photos so i can id them, some you
put up were wrong SAMSR ps my scanner doesn't work send by land line to S.
Tolbert 338w frances st Jacksonville nc.28546, Phil Sutphin has the same
photos as you maybe he will id them for you , i'm leaving for FLA sunday the
3rd of JUNE for at least a month ,send my mail to TAMMYS IF YOU LIKE , she
will give it to me thanks
Lois,
I would be glad to add the picture to the SCOL Vets Honor Roll. Also, Phil,
I really like what you are doing with your site. Very very nice indeed. I
also like the newletter idea very much.
Mike
Sam's note reminded me, my aunt, Sr. Marie Powell, also known as "The Flying
Nun," will be visiting me from Friday, June 8, until Friday, July 13.
(Flying out of Roanoke Airport on Southwest Airlines, is an act of faith on
any given day, let alone Friday the 13th!)
She is 88 now and this will probably be the last time her health will
permit her to visit. (Her mother, my grandmother, lived to 99)
This will mean very limited computer time for me, I will unsubscribe from
many of my other mailing lists, but not SCOL. So, if I am slow to answer
questions, you will understand why.
If any of you are in our area, be sure to drop in and say hello, she thinks
the Sutphins are wonderful people, as I do.
Regards,
Mary AnneThe subject of pictures are flying around, I would like to know if any =
one has a picture of John Wesley Sutphin, I have the one that Mary Ann =
sent me but I am wanting one while he was in the Civil War. Does anyone =
have one? hello Mary I have been kind of quite just reading what every =
one has to say. Tony East
please unsubscribe me until i tell you to reinstate me ,as i have a busy =
summer and plan to do some traveling ,and won't be able to answer any =
mail ,thank you an all you cousins on SCOL have a nice summer =
"mailto:SAMSR@NCFREEDOM.NET" thank you sam tolbert/sutphin cousin
Hi:
Do these name's ring a bell to the Sut researcher's? I have been
cleaning out my note's file and trying to see what I can disgard and what I
should keep. Needless to say, I have my work cut out for me. Back in 1998
in one of my on-line searches, I know not where and of course I didn't write
down the site or page, I ran across this information. I do not know whose
line they fit into and have not seen their names anywhere else, guess that's
why I did a cut and paste thinking that later, when I had more time I'd
track this line down, just haven't yet.
Sutphen, Phelon E. and Edwin P. p.o. Lamb's Corners, Phelon being
born in Cherry Valley, Otsego County NY, Oct. 4, 1848; and Edwin being born
in Nanticoke, Broome Co. NY Sept 1,1855. Phelon married Cora B. Adams
daughter of Elijah and Esther J. [Hagaboon] Adams of Nanticoke in 1883 and
had one child, Olga.
Edwin married Libbie E. Pollard, daughter of Rinaldo and Frances C. [Smith]
Pollard of Berea, Ohio, in 1881, one child Earle F. Parents John and
Christanna [Hawver] Sutphen of Cherry Valley, who settled in Nanticoke in
1849.
Does this fit with anyone's lines?
Ina S.Robert;
I think you are mistaken about November 11, being changed to a Monday.
It is my sons birthday and it is still Veterans day in our area and is
always a holiday. I also remember when it was Armistis day and how we all
celebrated the end of the war. I am also a veteran and proud of my time in
the Navy Waves.
Opal
The second Monday in November (this year 12 November) is celebrated as
Veterans Day, set up by the United States government so Federal Employees
could have a 3 day weekend.
Shirley
Since the list is quite I will take a moment to send a Sunday Morning Thought.
And since I am setting here typing , I will answer a question about
the poll. The question is, when will we know the results of the poll,
the answer, look just above the vote button, and you will see a place
to click and get the results, at any given time, OK? Regards Phillip
B
--
"http://pages.zdnet.com/hatchphil/scolcouisinsonline/"
Today my wife called and said the doctor told her that she and I
needed to come get tested for strep throat. The doctor said
that it was possible, even likely that we both had it. They had
to make sure that we didn't give it back to the kids once they
were cured.
Strep throat is not a big thing. It's common and in most cases
easily cured. The test is just two simple cotton swab (Q-Tips)
swipes taken from the back of your throat. Granted it is a very
long cotton swab.
My throat had been feeling fine until my wife told me that I had
to take the test and that I might have strep throat. The
thought that I could have latent strep throat germs raging in
the back of my mouth made me uneasy. Did I feel a slight
itchiness now?
It's amazing how the mind works.
Believe it, fear it, and the body begins to manifest it.
I actually thought my throat did feel different now that I had
to go take the test. My logical mind knew my throat was fine
but the mere thought. . . was it scratchy?
I can imagine how it must feel to wait on test results for
something really serious. If it were cancer or a suspected
exposure to AIDS that I was being tested for my slight
apprehension would be magnified a hundred fold.
Apprehension leads to tension. Tension leads to distress.
Distress leads to stress and stress leads to disease.
Both my wife's and my tests were negative but today I got a
glimpse into the fearful world of apprehension.
Job (a character in the Bible) said, "What I feared has come
upon me; what I dreaded has happened to me."
Germs don't really cause disease.
An immune system that is weaker than the germ causes disease.
Fear weakens the immune system. The very thought helps to
manifest the thing, whether it be good or bad.
Situations in life don't break us or make us miserable.
When we come across a situation that our spirit is not strong
enough to properly handle, then that situation makes us
miserable because our spiritual immune system is weak.
After the nurse administered the strep throat test she said,
"you know, you're the calmest person that I have ever given this
test to. People squirm, gag and sometimes scream."
That amazed me. It was just a cotton swab. A very long cotton
swab I will admit, yes, it was stuck very far back into your
throat, but just a cotton swab nonetheless.
Most of the things that gag us, make us squirm, and sometimes
even makes scream out in frustration, if looked at from the
mountain, are really just long cotton swabs.
They won't hurt you.
They may scratch at you in sensitive areas but the vast majority
won't hurt you. Often they make you stronger and more confident
when you successfully get past them.
Don't be afraid of the tests of life.
You are healthier than you think.
Or maybe, just maybe, you are AS healthy as you think.I just may have solved the problem of the news letter links, and
gedcom's, medical inheritance, images, stories, humor, horoscope,
and about 12 more subjects. They are in a poll that is listed on
Sutphin 2 or 3 page at the URL listed below, I will share the results
with you and Ken, and maybe we can share the work as well. I have no
design to put something up that will take the place of Mike's SCOL on
line list, because he has done a great job with the list, and I wish
him continued success. And it will be our home base. I have a
Picture of him on the first page, I will also add a link to his site
at "http://www.fred.net/msutphin/gene.htm" So Please go up there and
vote for what you would like to see on a web site and we will do the
rest. By the way Mary Ann did they call Memorial day Armistice Day??
--
"http://pages.zdnet.com/hatchphil/scolcouisinsonline/"Ken, I would be interested in a website with Sutphin/Sutphen Newsletter. I
don't have any current family with the name of Sutphin, not since about 1857
when Mary Margaret Sutphin married Richard McMillion, but I am always
interested in what is going on with Sutphins/Sutphens. And Phil, I remember
when Memorial Day was called Decoration Day and also when it was always on
30th of May, not lthe last Monday in May. Both of you, please keep up the
good work you've been doing. I thoroughly enjoy your efforts.
Shirley Lamson Nelson VerbriggheI am sending this along, as I am in favor of establishing at least some
degree of accuracy on the web. This is an example of just how confusing
things can get:
Dear Steve:
When I put in a search for my g-grandfather I find that this person has him
listed multiple times in one gedcom file.
Don't most people either merge the records or update their info?
This is ridiculous.
Debbie
"mailto:dreamsun39@stargate.com"
Mary Anne Sutphin
Yes i got it running, but it still has some problems. it look like i am
going to haft to reformat my hard drive. cause my e-mail is the only thing
that is working right. everything else i get system's error's / path not
found ect..
well my branch goes something like this DELBERT SUTPHIN (PAUL W.
SUTPHIN, JOHN GRANT SUTPHIN, DAVID CROCKETT SUTPHIN, NANCY C. SUTPHIN,
HENDRICK SUTPHIN, WILLIAM SUTPHIN SR, CHRISTOPHER SUTPHIN, JOHN SUTPHIN,
JAN(JOHN)VAN ZUTPHEN, DERRICK JANSEN VAN ZUTPHEN, JAN VAN ZUTPHEN)
if you have any questions at all please fill free to ask then.
later,
delbert
You are not authorized to send mail to the SCOL list from
your
"mailto:phatcher1@MAIL.CFL.RR.COM" account. You might be authorized to send to the
list
from another of your accounts, or perhaps when using another mail program
which
generates slightly different addresses, but LISTSERV has no way to
associate
this other account or address with yours. If you need assistance or if you
have
any question regarding the policy of the SCOL list, please contact the
list
owners: "mailto:SCOL-request@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU".
(After I received that letter from Steve, it seems that I have been removed
from the list, can you tell me Why????????
Hi Steve,
I am so glad that you brought to my attention those mistakes that
were uploaded to WFT, sometime in the past 15 years, you see, I had
no control over who and how
accurate they were, I found them on WFT Disk no #-3 and downloaded
them to my hard drive, if I had the Sutphin books at the time, maybe
I could have put out a more reliable file, but I did add a notation
to the file that SAID. Use this file as a guide, or words to that
effect, if you are really interested in who submitted those files,
why not order Disk No; # 3 WFD and you will find people in
Hillsville, Carroll Co. and other sections of Va who thought they were
right when they gave
the information to Essie or whom ever was collection the information
at that time.
Steve so far I have been branded as a nut and a Fraud, but I looked
over that, because Sam is like me, the trip is about over for both of
us, and we don't do things like we once did, he apologized for the
mistake through Tammy, and I told her it was forgotten as far as I
was concerned, but Steve, when you informed me that you could not
bring yourself to put a link on your site, pointing at my site,
because of the Gedcom file, that I did not have on the site, but you
assumed I did, but to affirm your convictions you should have looked
at my site, as you said you did, the only thing I can say -you dug
your own hole and fell in, and now you are trying to humiliate me to
get revenge.. I heard that snow white and the dwarf was wanted and
the trail is heading your way. Why hasn't he posted one lately?? I am
really stupid for giving you that tip. The only thing I ask of you
Steve is wake up and smell the coffee, because one day someone will
look at your tombstone, and inscription should say. As you are, I
once was, As I am you will Be...It's Later Than You Think.... I
have no hard feelings against you, and I wish you well. Phillip B> CHRISTOPHER SUTPHIN,JOHN SUTPHIN,
> JAN(JOHN)VAN ZUTPHEN, DERRICK JANSEN VAN ZUTPHEN, JAN VAN ZUTPHEN)
>
Dear Delbert,
I share William Sutphin, Sr BUT have never been able to find information
beyond him. Please supply information and/or resources for the names above.
Did any of them fight during the Revolutionary War? Did any of your line
fight during the Civil War?
THANKS,
Cousin Julia
Hi Again Stevie,
Since I received your letter this morning through SCOL, I tried to answer your
letter, but it was returned due to being removed from the list, so
thanks a lot Steve
you did not give me a chance to tell everyone Good Bye, before being
booted off the list. I do hope you feel better now, I guess I should
feel anger but I dont, because it doesn't really make that much
difference. I tried to write to the girl that wrote you the
"mailto:letter--dreamsun39@stargate.com" and it was returned as no such
address, the girl's name was Donna I think. I cant understand why YOU
are so mad but I cant believe that Mike would go along with such a
trumped up story from you, but as things change, the more they remain
the same. Regards Phillip
Below is the letter I originally wrote, Sorry Mike I have no idea how
that was accomplished, so you will have to ask Steve.
I need a 1inch Confederate Flag for that model cemetery I am going to
photograph for the SCOL veterans page. Ravenna had one Confederate
soldier--James Newman--buried in our cemetery, and I have permission to
place a Confederate flag on his cross. Mr Newman attended all ceremonies and
events with the Grand Army of the Republic [Union] veterans chapter in
Ravenna, and I think he should be given special recognition, too. If anyone
has a scanner I can cut out an email color picture and glue it to a
toothpick. US flags like that are already decorating the corners, and
seperate the different war veteran groups. Thanks for your help. Your
cousin, Lois Johnsten in Nebraska "mailto:johnsten@micrord.com"Thanks Mike for the kind words, I think you realize just how much time it takes
to get a site up and running, and to make it more difficult when you
must surf the web to find the programs that you intend to install...
I finally found the program to swap Photographs , it will upload and
download and store images, with the visitor in control, and you can
also send a photograph to a friend with any of the images that they
upload or the ones that are available in the albums, that are on the
site. Sutphin 3 page has this program as well as a message board,
and chat rooms, financial ticker, and message boards. If any one
has any problem swapping photoes, let me know, and I will try to
help. Mike I have a cable hook up so it makes it impossible for me to
check how fast or slow the site is if it is to slow I can have it
optimized from a site I found on the web, will you let me know,
Thanks Phillip B
--
"http://pages.zdnet.com/hatchphil/scolcouisinsonline/"I have asked my husband(randy) he said the names
sounded familiar, but then again his family is realted
to half of carroll county and parts of n. c.
Hopefully we will be going to visit his parents and
other family in coon ridge this weekend and i will be
able to let you all know by then.
sorry I haven't replied sooner.
thanks
michelle newman
--- jjj <"mailto:bavon@CROSSLINK.NET"> wrote:
> Hi - I have looked up my info on Matilda Newman/John
> Alderman. She was the
> daughter of Elizabeth Montgomery/Alex Newman. son of
> Conrad Newman/Ann
> Brubeck. Elizabeth Montgomery, dau of Erwin
> Montgomery/Sarah Hiatt. Are
> these your husband's relatives?? Joan
Michelle, if you will give me Randy's line, I will try to see how it fits
with Joan's.
Mary Anne
Hi Delbert. Your message was received so your system must be up and running
and you are subscribed to SCOL.
We have found and continue to find many family links we though lost forever,
then one of the descendants sends a note to SCOL. We have some excitement on
the list occasionally, though with summer here and everyone busy, the list
is pretty quiet.
What family are you?
Regards,
Mary Anne
THANKS, Cousins!! Mr Newman is now properly remembered in our model
cemetery. I once read an article about how veterans of the American Civil
War made peace with each other faster than other countries seem to do. I
wasn't around then, so don't know. I do know Mr Newman was a well respected
member of our community--and the only Johnny Reb in a town of GAR veterans.
Lois in NebraskaInteresting! The veterans made peace with each other, perhaps. But we have
a lot of people in the Nashville area, including one very vocal
organization, who are still fighting the "War of Northern Agression".
Carol
Carl, I took the liberty to translate your HTML so the other people on the list
would have access to the Information, You and Steve keep the good work up.
Regards, Phillip.
1 Jan Barentsen Van Zutphen
+ Jannetje Willemse Van Boculo
2 Barent Jansen
+ Maria Stillwell
3 Jan Jansen
3 Claes Barentson Jansen
3 Catherine Jansen
3 Barent Jansen
+ Unknown
4 Barent Jansen
+ Anne Remsen
5 General Jeremiah Johnson
+ Abigail Remsen
+ Sarah Rapalye
6 Sarah Anne Johnson
+ Nicholas Wyckoff
6 Susanna Johnson
+ Lambert Wyckoff
3 William Jansen
2 Cornelia Jansen
2 Jan Jansen
+ Maritze
3 John Jansen
3 Barent Jansen
3 Jores Jansen
+ Jannetje Joris
3 Catherine Jansen
3 Maria Jansen
3 Elizabeth Jansen
2 Willem Jansen
+ Jannetje Wyckoff
3 Mary Johnson
3 Marta Johnson
+ Marie
4 Martin Johnson
4 Sarah Johnson
3 John Johnson
+ Dorothy Jaquas
+ Jane Ried
3 William Johnson
+ Elizabeth
4 Antie Johnson
4 Martin Johnson
3 Peter Johnson
+ Rebecca
3 Jean Johnson
3 Hannah Johnson
3 Catherine Johnson
3 Leanah Johnson
2 Margaretje Jansen
Jan Barentsen Van Driest b. abt 1678, Zutphen, Gelderland, Netherlands
m. 15 May Flatbush, Kings Co., NY
d. bef Oct 1697 Gravesend, Long Island, NY
children:
i. Barent JANSEN m. Maria STILLWELL
ii. Cornelia
iii. Jan JANSEN
iv. Willem JANSEN
v. Margaritje Janse
with more on the above i. -
Barent JANSEN & Maria STILLWELL - children:
son Jan Barentse JANSEN m. Catelina SCHENCK, d/o Martin SCHENCK
sons of Jan Barentse JANSEN:
Martin JANSEN
Johannes JANSEN
Barent JOHNSON b. 1740 m. 1764 Anne REMSEN
he d. 1782
next generation, sons of Barent JOHNSON:
Jeremiah JOHNSON b. 1766
John JOHNSON
Jeromus b. 1775
Martin
Many of the lines are not followed, and locations are not given.
- SteveThis is the first time I've tried to send anything to the SCOL group. I
hope you can read it.
Below is the obituary for my father John Duane Sutfin of Jackson, MI. He is
the son of JT and Helen Sutfin.
06/14/01
SUTFIN, JOHN D. August 7, 1931 - June 13, 2001 John D. Sutfin, 69, of
Jackson, passed away at W.A. Foote Hospital Wednesday, June 13, 2001. He was
retired from Consumers Power Company where he was employed for 40 years.
John served in the United States Navy from 1951 to 1955 aboard the Aircraft
Carrier U.S.S. Coral Sea, was honorably discharged and is a member of the
U.S.S. Coral Sea Association. He was an avid model railroader and an active
member and officer of the Central Michigan Model Railroad Club. ``Big John''
was a musician and played tuba for the Jackson French Quarter Band, Young at
Heart, worship services at St. John's United Church of Christ and the Albion
Community Band. John is survived by his wife of 45 years, Sharon ``Jo'';
daughters and sons-in-law, Shirley Vincent of Midland and Doug Vincent of
Midland, Laura and Richard Kinstle, Jeannine and Richard Havens; and son and
daughter-in-law, Michael and Marsha Sutfin of Canton; grandchildren, Scott,
Sarah, Emily and John Vincent, Brittany and Caroline Kinstle, Rebecca,
Allison and Samantha Havens and Philip Sutfin. Visitation will be at the
Wetherby Funeral Home on Friday, June 15 from 2 to 4 and 7 to 9 p.m.
Services will be held Saturday, June 16 at St. John's United Church of
Christ, 801 S. Mechanic St., at 11:00 a.m. with the Reverend Jay Cummings
officiating. The family will receive friends one hour prior to the service
at the church. Interment will take place in Horton Cemetery, Horton, MI. In
lieu of flowers, memorials may be sent to St. John's United Church of Christ
Vision 2000 Building Fund. WETHERBY FUNERAL HOME 402 Wildwood Ave. 787-7511Becky - I am looking for info on Geddy Sutfin b.abt 1763 m. Joseph
Christy on 3 aug. 1784
and d.1790 Iredell co. NC. I hope you can help me. KarenSutphin, Evelyn F. - Evelyn Farmer Sutphin, 87, of Hillsville, died June
14, 2001, in Twin County Regional Hospital. She is survived by three
sisters, Edna Alford of Hillsville, Carrie Lynch of Collinsville and Keister
Roberts of Galax. A grave side service was held June 16 at 1 p.m. in
Wilkinson Memorial Cemetery. The Rev. Fred Jennings officiated.
Evelyn is the widow of Ralph Sutphin, s/o Walter and Candace Horton Sutphin,
Walter s/o Milton Vanart "Van" Sutphin and Lucinda Reynolds.
Regards all,
Mary Anne
>Below is the obituary for my father John Duane Sutfin of Jackson, MI. He=
is
the son of JT and Helen Sutfin.
06/14/01
SUTFIN, JOHN D. August 7, 1931 - June 13, 2001 John D. Sutfin, 69, of
Jackson, passed away at W.A. Foote Hospital Wednesday, June 13, 2001. He =
was
retired from Consumers Power Company where he was employed for 40 years.
John served in the United States Navy from 1951 to 1955 aboard the Aircra=
ft
Carrier U.S.S. Coral Sea, was honorably discharged and is a member of the=
U.S.S. Coral Sea Association. He was an avid model railroader and an acti=
ve
member and officer of the Central Michigan Model Railroad Club. ``Big Joh=
n''
was a musician and played tuba for the Jackson French Quarter Band, Young=
at
Heart, worship services at St. John's United Church of Christ and the Alb=
ion
Community Band. John is survived by his wife of 45 years, Sharon ``Jo'';
daughters and sons-in-law, Shirley Vincent of Midland and Doug Vincent of=
Midland, Laura and Richard Kinstle, Jeannine and Richard Havens; and son =
and
daughter-in-law, Michael and Marsha Sutfin of Canton; grandchildren, Scot=
t,
Sarah, Emily and John Vincent, Brittany and Caroline Kinstle, Rebecca,
Allison and Samantha Havens and Philip Sutfin. Visitation will be at the
Wetherby Funeral Home on Friday, June 15 from 2 to 4 and 7 to 9 p.m.
Services will be held Saturday, June 16 at St. John's United Church of
Christ, 801 S. Mechanic St., at 11:00 a.m. with the Reverend Jay Cummings=
officiating. The family will receive friends one hour prior to the servic=
e
at the church. Interment will take place in Horton Cemetery, Horton, MI. =
In
lieu of flowers, memorials may be sent to St. John's United Church of Chr=
ist
Vision 2000 Building Fund. WETHERBY FUNERAL HOME 402 Wildwood Ave. I am hoping some of the Sutphen/Sutphin cousins can help me. I am still
looking for a Lou Violate Sutphin who married in Idaho in 1908.
Unfortuanately, I don't know her age at the time of the marriage or her
birthdate. I think she was born between 1870 and 1890. Her husband was
born 1871.
I found a Lou Edney Sutphin in the 1880 Census in Laurel Fork, Carrol
County, Va. She was age 4 and the daughter of Landon W. Sutphin and
Mary Sutphin. Does anyone know if Lou Edney stayed in Virginia or
married there?. At this point I am just trying to follow any possible
lead. I would appreciate any help you might have to offer.
Paula ParadiseHello. My name is Angela Hoke. I live in Nashville but was born and raised
in West Virginia. I am researching my family name and noted your comments
on the Peoplefind.com website. Apparently, we are related. Your notes on
this website reference a book on the sutphin name. I would appreciate any
information regarding this book (how I could obtain a copy, etc.).
I have only been able to trace back to Hendrick Sutphin. It sounds like the
two of you may have additional information going further back. I would
certainly appreciate your help. My Sutphin connection is as follows:
My grandmother (Velva Dalton Nester) is the daughther of Oscar Brian Dalton
and Mary Alma McGrady d/o of John Cabbell McGrady s/o Lenora Sutphin d/o of
Hendrick Sutphin. So Hendrick would be my ggggrandfather.
I also have anothe Sutphin connection on my grandfather's side. But I'm not
sure if these are the same Sutphins. My Grandfather (Paul Nester) s/o Lou
Edna Nester d/o Lillie Ruth Sutpin d/o Jethroe Sutphin s/o Tazewell Sutphinl
That's as far back as I can go. do you know if these are the same line of
Sutphins.
I'm also curious about the Cherokee indian connection. Since I was a child,
my grandmother said her grandmother had Indian heritage, but we could never
confirm this. I would appreciate any information you could provide on this
as well.
Thanks so much for your help. I really appreciate it.
Mary Alma
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Good work, Keep it coming Someone needs this data.
So he was van Niest before becoming a van Zutphen, then naught but a Johnson.
But he was present as a van Zutphen during the Dutch Colonial days.
Isn't it? I think it's ridiculous! I have recently thought of using the
SSDI to try to find my mother's mother (maiden name Mattie Tolbert) by
searching sending for the SS-5 forms for likely people. I could justify
spending $7 a pop for a fishing expedition, but not $27. I have found 7
possible people by searching for women named Mattie born in Aug 1897 whose SS
#'s were issued in VA or WV, but have only had a chance to send for one so
far (and it wasn't the correct person). I was able to find a g-aunt this way
without knowing her married name, but since her name was Diona (Tolbert) she
was easy to track down since there were only 7 Dionas in the whole database.
It will be a long time before I can resume my search for my grandmother using
this method :(
Thanks for passing on the message, Mary Anne. I sent it to all my Rootsweb
lists, but forgot this one!
I wrote a letter to both my Senators yesterday that said:
As an amateur genealogist, I was appalled when I recently learned that the
Social Security Administration is going to raise the price they charge
to provide the original SS-5 forms for deceased individuals, which are made
available through the Freedom of Information Act. This has been a
wonderful resource for those of us who are researching our family history.
Unfortunately, this rate change is going to make it completely unavailable
to many of your constituents with modest incomes. According to the SSA
website:
You will be charged the cost of searching our records even if
we are unable to locate any information on the person you are
asking about. The fee for searching our records is $7 ($27 after
July 1, 2001) when the SSN is known and $16.50 ($29 after July
1, 2001) when the number is unknown or is incorrect.
While an increase is probably warranted, this seems extreme. Can anything
be done to continue to provide this service at a more reasonable price?
--
Cherie Atkinson Clark
"mailto:chersfmly@aol.com"
"http://members.aol.com/chersfmly/"
Looking for ATKINSON in Ohio Co WV and Washington Co PA, FIFE in Allegheny
and Washington Co PA, KIMMINS (or KIMMONS) in Ohio and Marshall Co WV and
Washington Co PA, SKILES in Washington Co PA, TOLBERT in Carroll Co VA and
Raleigh and Fayette Co WV, WEBB in Carroll Co VA, McDAID in Washington Co PA
and Marshall Co WV, WOLFE in Greene Co and Washington Co PA, FARIS in Ohio Co
WV and Delaware Co OH, McCONNELL in Allegheny Co PA, MORROW in Allegheny Co
PA, SUPLER in Washington Co and Greene Co PA, and way too many associated
families to list!
**There are only two lasting bequests we can hope to give our children. One
of these is roots, the other, wings.** (Hodding Carter)
Dear Cherie,
I used your letter -- it's great and passed it along to my senators,
representative, President, vice president, and both their wives.
If I hear back, I'll be sure and let them know you were the force!
Thanks for the info!!!!
Maybe the SS is just tired of doing this for genealogy reasons.
Figures the charges will chase us away. Guess it will!Cousin Cherie posted this to the Carroll-L, I am sure most of our Scolers
will be interested.
This is quite a hike in cost, from seven dollars to twenty-seven.
Outrageous.
Regards all,
Mary Anne
More on SSA fees. This from the Owen list. maybe we could get our requests
in by July 1.
Mary Anne
Maybe we can do something about the rate increase.
See addresses at the end of this note.
Regards,
Mary Anne
This obit sent to me by cousin Mark Nester. Junia Sutphin Tipton, d/o Fugate
and Minnie Moore Sutphin.
Our condolences to the family, she was one of the lovliest ladies I have
ever met.
Mary Anne
> > TIPTON, Junia Sutphin, 88, of Dugspur, Va., passed away Sunday, June 24,
> > 2001 at Northern Hospital of Surry County, Mt. Airy, N.C. She is
survived
> > by children and spouses, Nina and Herbert Blankenship, Roanoke, Wanda
and
> > James King, Pulaski, Deborah Marshall, Hillsville, Douglas Tipton,
> Dugspur,
> > Bayne and Marlene Tipton, Cana; sisters, Zelpha Henley, Roanoke, Elda
> > Nester, Radford, Ilean Henley, Salem; seven grandchildren, Teresa
Walker,
> > Melissa Blankenship, Patricia Harris, Sherry McMillian, Darrell Tipton,
> > LaTawnya Burleson, Michelle Hash; six great- grandchildren, Matthew
> > Blankenship, Dakota Key, Taylor Burleson, Kean Key, Logan Harris, Jesse
> > Burleson. Funeral services will be 2 p.m. Wednesday, June 27, 2001 at
the
> > Vaughan-Guynn-McGrady Chapel with Elder Joe H. McGrady officiating.
Burial
> > to follow in Sutphin Cemetery. The family will receive friends from 6 to
8
> > p.m. at the Vaughan-Guynn-McGrady Chapel, Hillsville.
Steve, a Shadrack Sutton is listed in the Grayson/Carroll County 1830 Census
living a door or two away from Hendrick Sutphin. In 1840, he is in Wythe
County census, living a door away from Daniel Sutphin, s/o Hendrick and
Rachel Owen Sutphin.
Christopher Sutton served in Capt. Flower Swift's Company, according to The
Militia Muster Rolls of Grayson County.
We did have a Hendrick S. Sutphin, 1820-1900, s/o William "Tyler Bill" and
Nancy Mabry Sutphin. I do not recall ever seeing this S. was Shadrack, tho
could have been. I did not find Shadrack Sutton in 1850 Wythe Census after
1840, he may have moved on or died. I would love to try tracing the line to
see if I could find the connection. A relative or could he have been a
Sutphin????
Mary Anne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Deal" <"mailto:wwwizard@EARTHLINK.NET">
To: <"mailto:SCOL@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU">
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 8:55 AM
Subject: Shadrack Sutphin
> Hi !
>
> This is from the Grayson Co. 1828 tax list:
> After the name, the numbers are evidently for "whites, horses, tax."
>
> Sutphin, William, Jr. 1 2 .24
> Sutphin, William, Sr. 1 1 .12
> Sutphin, John 1 1 .12
> Sutphin, Hendrick, Jr. 1
> Sutphin, Elijah 1
> Sutphin, Hendrick, Sr. 3 3 .36
> Sutphin, Owen 1
> Sutphin, Hendrick 1
>
> Sutphin, Shadrach 1 (he is further down the list)
>
> Now, Hendrick, Sr. was the one who said that he was born in New Jersey,
and
> evidently was born about 1768. He married Rachel OWEN.
> Hendrick, Jr. was their son, born about 1794, later called "Henry."
> The third Hendrick here was son of William, Sr.
>
> Lois once posted that the estate of Hendrick Sutphin, Sr. was appraised by
> Hendrick Shadrack Sutphin in 1857 - Carroll Co., VA.
>
> Who was Shadrach Sutphin?
> Did "Henry" Sutphin have the middle name "Shadrack?"
> Any known connections to the surname, SHADRACH?
>
> Very curious,
> Steve
Hi !
This is from the Grayson Co. 1828 tax list:
After the name, the numbers are evidently for "whites, horses, tax."
Sutphin, William, Jr. 1 2 .24
Sutphin, William, Sr. 1 1 .12
Sutphin, John 1 1 .12
Sutphin, Hendrick, Jr. 1
Sutphin, Elijah 1
Sutphin, Hendrick, Sr. 3 3 .36
Sutphin, Owen 1
Sutphin, Hendrick 1
Sutphin, Shadrach 1 (he is further down the list)
Now, Hendrick, Sr. was the one who said that he was born in New Jersey, and
evidently was born about 1768. He married Rachel OWEN.
Hendrick, Jr. was their son, born about 1794, later called "Henry."
The third Hendrick here was son of William, Sr.
Lois once posted that the estate of Hendrick Sutphin, Sr. was appraised by
Hendrick Shadrack Sutphin in 1857 - Carroll Co., VA.
Who was Shadrach Sutphin?
Did "Henry" Sutphin have the middle name "Shadrack?"
Any known connections to the surname, SHADRACH?
Very curious,
Steve
--
> The past few days this has been discussed on the Dutch Colonies
>list. I saved the e-mails so if any of you would like to read and do not
>subscribe to that list, send me an e-mail and I will forward those to you.
>
> Ina S.
Hi:
I had to share this. I received this URL for the PA Archives. Seems
they are putting records on-line so we may view them and print them
ourselves. Records of the Revolutionary War soldiers, Spanish American War
Soldiers, and WWI Soldiers are presently on-line.
Check it out, I found a couple of Suts........
"http://www.digitalarchives.state.pa.us/"
They plan to include Civil War Soldiers in the future.
Happy Hunting,
Ina S.Hi Mary Anne, I have been debating between a web page or a newsletter
>updated every 2 months. I have two family reunions to get ready for first.
>(Sutphin and Scritchfield). I am shooting for mid to late July for the
>first Whatever it is. If I go with the website I was thinking mostly links
>with an explanation of the site. I think the plus is that it would be
>available for a longer length of time and could be found also by non
>members of Scol. A newsletter would be more inclusive of Scol and only
>those requesting it would know of it. Maybe the Scol site is enough of
>a "newsletter" already and would be even better if everyone took the time
>to share their net discoveries. What do you think? Ken
Hi Ken, I have an idea about the news letter you wrote about some
time ago. Why not use a page or two on my site to publish a news
letter, and obits and the like, you could send the material to me, or
I could make it possible for you to put it up yourself, what do you
think??
Phillip
I would like to add a post script to this article, if I may, it
reminds me when I started the web site, and called it the Sutphin
Cousins Photo Album, I wanted to contribute to the list and always
kept in mind to make it even better. Web sites look easy but it takes
a great deal of time to get it up and running, but if I thought I was
doing a service that could be appreciated , then it was well worth
the time and effort.
I am loading my motor Home and will be leaving when I get the rig
checked out, so while I am gone I wish you would drop me a E Mail and
tell me if you want me to continue posting to the list, as well as
updating the web site. It's your Call.
Phillip
Cold Ball
==========
I played baseball with my son in the front yard today.
He's only 4 1/2. It was a plastic ball and a plastic bat.
Not exactly world series equipment.
It was freezing, about 35 degrees F.
He was bundled up and so was I.
I am in pretty good physical shape
and have excellent cold tolerance.
I got cold after about 10 minutes.
My son never even noticed the chill.
"It's time to go inside," I said. "Why?" he questioned.
I don't think it was a difference in physical ability,
his mind was on the ball and my mind was on the cold.
That little lesson from that little guy goes a long way.
We can either focus on the ball or on the cold.
There will always be plenty of both to go around.
So what if you don't have World Series equipment.
So what if it's cold.
Stop focusing on the cold things in life,
Even when it's cold, the sun is still shinning
There is just a cloud in the way.
See through the eyes of a child and. . .
Play Ball!I guess I just need to share this great news with someone! Those of you who
were on this list when I first joined a couple years ago might remember that
at that time, my mother was very secretive about her past, and very unwilling
to help me trace her family. I was finally able to discover that she had
been raised by her grandfather and his second wife, whose names were William
S. and Anna L. (Larwood) Tolbert. William was a g-grandson of Allen Tolbert
and Eleanor Sutphin of Carroll County VA. His daughter, Mattie, was my
mother's mother. My mom grew up using the name Anna M. Tolbert.
Over time, I discovered that my mother had a brother, (a half-brother I
believed) whose name was Howard Shrewsbury from Beckley WV. Unfortunately,
he died in 1984, and I hadn't been able to make contact with any of his
children yet, whose names I got from his obituary. In the obituary, they
also mentioned that he had two sisters, but I had no way of knowing if these
were also the children of Mattie Tolbert. However, last weekend I received
an email that opened up a whole new world of information to me, AND to my
mother!
A man wrote and told me that he was also the grandson of Mattie Tolbert, who
had disappeared from Raleigh County in the early 1930's, never to be heard
from again. He was interested in knowing more about my mother and her
family. I wrote back and gave him some onfo about my mom, and how she came
to be raised by her grandparents. In passing, I also mentioned that for some
reason, my mother believed that her original first name might have been Avis,
and I asked if anyone in his family knew anything about my mother. I had
always assumed that my mother's father was someone unknown who Mattie met
after she left her husband. Later that day, the man wrote back and said that
yes, they had always known about my mom, and had always wondered what had
become of their baby sister, Avis, who Mattie had taken with her when she
left! And he was able to tell me that my mother's father was most likely to
have been Mattie's husband, George Shrewsbury, since she had been born when
Mattie and George were still together. The best news is that my mother's two
older sisters are stll alive, living in WV! They are all so excited to find
out that their little sister is alive and well. There have been lots of
phone calls back and forth, and we're already making plans for a family
reunion sometime before the end of the summer!
The reason my mother was so secretive was because she had been made to feel
ashamed of her past, and because she thought she was illegitimate. Now she
knows she wasn't. Personally, I don't care about that at all, I'm just so
excited that I have a whole new branch of ancestors to research, and a whole
new bunch of close relatives to meet! These sisters haven't seen each other
for over 60 years! My mom doesn't even remember them, but they remember her!
This all seems like something out of a story book! I'm just so thankful for
the Internet and the chance I have had to share my family information that
has led to this great reunion!
--
Cherie Atkinson Clark
"mailto:chersfmly@aol.com"
"http://members.aol.com/chersfmly/"
Looking for ATKINSON in Ohio Co WV and Washington Co PA, FIFE in Allegheny
and Washington Co PA, KIMMINS (or KIMMONS) in Ohio and Marshall Co WV and
Washington Co PA, SKILES in Washington Co PA, TOLBERT in Carroll Co VA and
Raleigh and Fayette Co WV, WEBB in Carroll Co VA, McDAID in Washington Co PA
and Marshall Co WV, WOLFE in Greene Co and Washington Co PA, FARIS in Ohio Co
WV and Delaware Co OH, McCONNELL in Allegheny Co PA, MORROW in Allegheny Co
PA, SUPLER in Washington Co and Greene Co PA, and way too many associated
families to list!
**There are only two lasting bequests we can hope to give our children. One
of these is roots, the other, wings.** (Hodding Carter)
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Have you had any contact with Dixie?
I haven't heard from Dixie for a while, but maybe she'll reply here! I'm
still on cloud nine over the events of the past couple days!
--
Cherie Atkinson Clark
Dixie's currently offline. I was going to give her a call and catch
up. I'll let her know about your great success.
Brenda
Cherie, what a wonderful breakthrough. I am so happy for you! Those
hours of Tolbert hunting finally paid off.
Have you had any contact with Dixie?
Cheers,
Mary Anne
Congrats Cherie! I'm very happy for you and your family. If you need
another challenge, you might want to start digging around in my branch of
the Tolbert family tree. LOL!
BruceIf any of you are descended from this marriage (12 Jun 1752, Freehold,Monmouth, NJ), you may want to look at what you have for the ancestry of Maria SUTPHIN (also SUTPHEN, ZUTPHEN, ZUTFIN, SUTFIN, etc.).
Some old published books such as Bergen (1881) and also Honeyman give her parents as either (1) Gysbert Sutphen + Geertje VAN PELT, or (2) Jan Sutphen, Jr. + Katrintje LANGSTRAAT. Neither of these is correct.
The Maria Sutphen who married Cryn Janse VAN MATER was the daughter of Jan Sutphen, Senior and his wife Engeltje BENNET. This is proved by the marriage bond for Cryn Janse and Maria (Monmouth County, NJ Archives), where Engeltje signed the consent (as parent) to the agreement. It is verified further by Cryn Janse's will, in which he mentions "my brother-in-law Isaac Sutphen." Neither Gisbert nor Jan, Jr. had a son named Isaac, but Jan, Sr. did.
Maria was baptized 24 May 1724 at the Freehold Dutch Reformed Church, but without a given name. Record of the baptism is given in the Gen. Mag. NJ, Vol. 23, pp. 11+.
Big thanks to Dan Yetman for his Monmouth County research in finding the information on Maria's marriage bond.
Unfortunately, many Internet genealogies continue to perpetuate the incorrect parents for Maria. If any of you reading this have such a mistake, I invite you to investigate the records for yourself and make the necessary correction.
Some researchers have assigned the child baptized 24 May 1724 as Mayke Sutphen, who later married Garret LANE. Mayke was actually baptized 11 Apr 1726 in Freehold (again with no given name), and her parents were Jan Sutphen, Jr. and his wife Katrintje LANGSTRAAT. This is proved (or at least suggested strongly) by the fact that Jan, Jr. and Katrintje were the sponsors at the baptism of Garret and Mayke's first child, Antje, baptized 2 Jun 1745 (GMNJ 25:42+).
Bob Forrest ("mailto:forrest@whidbey.com")
I sent the note from Sutphin-L without stating it is from that list, and
sent by R.B. Forrest. I am sure you all knew that, but wanted to recognize
RB. It appears he has done much research on this family and some of the
SCOLers will be interested in his findings. I however, have no new
information on this family.
Cheers!
Mary AnneResponding to an offline comment by Ken Sutphin on my posting earlier today (quick work, Ken!): yes, both the two false parents for ?my? Maria Sutphen did indeed have daughters named Maria:
1. The Freehold Dutch Reformed Church records transcribed in the Gen. Mag. NJ show a Maria baptized 5 Jun 1737 as Maria, parents Gysbert Sutveen and Geertruid Van Pelt, no sponsors. She appears to have been the last child born to Gysbert and Geertruid. Some family histories have this Maria marrying Cryn Janse Van Mater, even though she was barely 15 years old at the date of the marriage (12 Jun 1752).
2. The same records show that on 21 May 1732, Maria baptized, daughter of Jan Sutphen, Jun. and Catryntie Langstraet; witness Teunis De Nys [male]. At least this Maria would have been a more realistic age to marry Cryn Janse Van Mater.
Ken also asked out I could be certain that the Maria who married Cryn Janse Van Mater was the child baptized 24 May 1724. He's right, I can't Another unnamed child (who some family histories say was Leah Sutphen) was baptized 20 Mar 1726. Perhaps that was Maria, and it was Leah who was baptized in 1724. I?m much more concerned in having the right parents for Maria than I am with getting her baptism date correct.
As Ken further wrote, we have much more information available to us now than did earlier researchers like Bergen, Honeyman, and Van Tassel Sutphen. Of course, we hope that will continue to be the case in years to come.
With the rise of the Internet, seems to me our problem today is not too little information, but too much misinformation. There is a tremendous difference in credibility between an undocumented Internet, FTW, or World Family Tree genealogy and even the oldest and poorest printed family history done by a reputable researcher. At least those earlier historians did make honest attempts to reconcile all the available official records before they set forth relationships. Our potential advantage today is that we have more ?real? records available; in such cases there is no reason to accept as Gospel the work of Bergen, Honeyman or anyone else who didn?t have the information we do. And please, let?s not confuse basic records with published family histories!
Bob Forrest ("mailto:forrest@whidbey.com")
Hello, Ken--Thanks for your email. I have responded on the Sutphen and
Sutphin message boards as a 'reply' to my original posting--might as well
make the information available to everyone. Although I didn't mention it in
my reply, there were at least two other Maria Sutphens more or less
contemporaneous with 'my' Maria. Abraham and Derick Sutphen both had
daughters with that name.
And yes, I am in touch with Bill Van Mater. He, Dan Yetman, Chuck Gibson,
and I do exchange information and queries. That's how I came to get the
clinching proof on Maria's parents: I had noticed the comment in Cryn Janse
VM's will about his brother-in-law Isaac Sutphen, and asked the others if
they had anything which might substantiate my idea that Maria was the
daughter of Jan Sutphen, Sr. and not Jan Sutphen, Jr. It was Dan Yetman who
came through with the marriage bond information.
Good luck to you. I'd appreciate whatever you can do to correct the
Sutphen/Sutphin/Zutphen/Zutfin online data bases concerned.
Bob Forrest ("mailto:forrest@whidbey.com")
I'm looking for any information on the following: Ralph and Margaret (Crego) Sutphin, Loren Sutphin, or Miranda Sutphin. Ralph and Margaret were from New York and had Loren b. April 5, 1852 and Miranda. Ralph died in March 14, 1864. Loren married Adelia M. Cook in March 27, 1872 and they had 2 children Claude L. and Maud M. If anyone has any information I would be grateful. Thanks, AngieAngie, a number of years ago, about 25? I had some correspondence with a
lady doing research on this family. I could never identify Ralph Sutphin.
Did this family get into Michigan? I will look for the letters and the name
of the lady I was corresponding with.
Mary Anne
Was out of town for a few days and returned to several very strange
emails, only attachments with no messages. I deleted them without
opening. After seeing Phil's warning I sent copies of them to the FTC
address he included, and indeed they contained a virus. They were:
globalhongkongencarta.g12.doc.pif contains a virus (TROJ_SIRCAM.A)
BeckyThis from a moderator of another list. Appears even with Norton's or McAfee,
we cannot be too careful about attachments.
Thanks to Phil for alerting us to this one.
Regards all,
Mary AnneHello Everyone,
As you can tell, my summer has been a busy one. Lots of motorcycle riding
and tending to my Dad. Hope all of you are enjoying the warmth and sunshine.
Tonight, we welcome 5 new cousins to our SCOL family. Here are their notes
to me:o Hendrick Sutphin, probably the brother of William
Sutphin, who witnessed his wedding to Rachel Owen in Bedford Co., Va., on
December 17, 1788. (I have a copy of his marriage certificate which I found
in the Bedford Co. Court house.) Here my knowlege stops. I have never been
able to discover where Hendrick Sutphin was born. I would like to find his
connection to the Netherlands.
---------
from Stan Sutphin...
Dear Mike,
I would like to participate in your Web site. Please sign me up.
I am the son of Elmon Sutphin, born in Willis, Floyd Co. in 1884, s/o
Nelson Sutphin, born in Floyd Co. in 1849, s/o Bird (sometimes Byrd or
Burge) born in Montgomery Co. 1825, s/o Hendrick Henry Sutphin, born in
Bedford Co. in 1794, s/o Hendrick Sutphin, probably the brother of William
Sutphin, who witnessed his wedding to Rachel Owen in Bedford Co., Va., on
December 17, 1788. (I have a copy of his marriage certificate which I found
in the Bedford Co. Court house.) Here my knowlege stops. I have never been
able to discover where Hendrick Sutphin was born. I would like to find his
connection to the Netherlands.
Sincerely,
Stan Sutphin
"mailto:sutphins@etown.edu"
from Ruth Street...
Someone told me about your site and I am delighted to see that there are
people researching the Sutphens.
I am a gg granddaughter of Anna Sutphen who was born in 1795 in Stone
Arafia, near Schenectady, NY. I have been hoping to get some information on
this family.
I would like to participate in SCOL, so please enter my name.
Thank you!
Ruth Street, Houston, Texas
"mailto:ruthst@hal-pc.org"
from Paula Farthing...
Mike,
Thanks for your e-mail message. First, I would like to thank you for the
only lead I have had on this Sutfin surname in several years. Second, it
would make me very happy if you include me in your e-mail group. I am
looking for any Sutphin's who migrated to or from southeast Indiana. My ggg
grandmother's name was Elizabeth Sutfin. Elizabeth married David Bonaparte
Alley. Elizabeth's mother was named Ruth and I am not sure of her father's
name, however, I believe it may have been William. Elizabeth had a brother
named William. I also believe these Sutfin's may have had a Virginia
connection because I have traced the Alley family back through Virginia and
it appears Elizabeth's parents were already married when they came to
southern Indiana. Hopefully, this information will be of interest to
others. I have located the plat maps and the farm where David and Elizabeth
(Sutfin) lived. Her brother, William, and his wife were also living with
them according to the 1860 census along with Elizabeth's mother, Ruth.
Please let me know how to post any new information, I have registered on
your guestbook and I am looking forward to any leads, especially those
linked to Alleys or back to Virginia.
THANKS SO MUCH!!!!
Paula Farthing
"mailto:pkfarth@yahoo.com"
from Susan Amicucci...
Hello Mike,
I am a Sutphen descendant, and I would like to join the SCOL mailing list.
Thank you.
Susan Amicucci
"mailto:amicucci@email.msn.com"
from B. W. Sutphin Jr....
Dear Mike,
My name is B.W. Sutphin Jr. and I was communicating through my daughters
email several years ago. I now have a computer and my own email address. I
am very interested in my family tree and would like to join Sutphin Cousins
Online. My email address is "mailto:sutphin@core.com" If you could add me to your
list of subscribers I would be very appreciative. Thank you and I look
forward to hearing from you soon. I am from the Hendrick Sutphin ancestry
branch.
Thank You!
B.W. Sutphin Jr.
"mailto:sutphin@CORE.COM"
-------------------------
I sincerely hope our new members enjoy their SCOL adventure. You will find
this group more than willing to share all they know about your
families...and maybe, you will be able to fill in some blanks for the rest
of our SCOLers.
Take care everyone,
Mike> MAX MEADOWS, Va. - Mr. Oscar Ray Surratt, 93, of Fort Chiswell Road died
> Wednesday, July 25, 2001, at Kindred Hospital in Greensboro.
>
> He was born in Wythe County, the son of the late David Anderson Surratt
and
> Ludie Scott Surratt Sutphin.
>
> He was a U.S. Army veteran of World War II, having served in Africa and
> Europe and was a member of Grover King Post #1115 VFW.
>
> Mr. Surratt was preceded in death by his wife, Alma White Surratt; a
sister,
> Clara Rogers; and three brothers, Sherman, Clarence and Noah Sutphin. He
was
> of the Protestant faith. He is survived by a daughter and son-in-law,
Barbara
> and George Manuel of Tobaccoville; three grandchildren, Mrs. Amiel (Judi)
> Rossabi of Greensboro, Lisa Manuel of Belmont and Karen Manuel of
> Tobaccoville; two great-grandchildren, Rachel Caroline Rossabi and Joseph
> Amiel Rossabi; a brother, James and Terry Sutphin of Wytheville, Va.; a
> niece, Terry S. Nelson; and two nephews, Ronald Rogers and Russell Rogers.
>
> Funeral services will be held at 11 a.m. Saturday, July 28, 2001, at the
> Barnett Funeral Chapel with the Rev. Don Scott and the Revs. Hampton and
> Betty Atkinson officiating. Interment will follow in the West End
Cemetery.
> Grover King Post #1115 VFW will conduct graveside military rites. The
family
> will receive friends from 6 to 8 p.m. Friday at the funeral home or at his
> residence at any time. Barnett Funeral Home in Wytheville is in charge of
the
> arrangements.
Randy Sutphin here,
My dog tags are among those that were
returned. This is no SCAM. My brother had read an article in the paper and
left me a phone message to check out the web site. I did so, and 3 days later
my dog tags were returned to me, at no cost to me. Pass this web site on to
as many people as you can.
Randy, so good to hear from you. Gary and I were trying to figure who the P.
R. Suphin was. Never dreamed it would be someone so closely related.
That is amazing! What wonderful work these men are doing.
Welcome to the new cousins, so nice to have five more cousins join us.
SCOL has been a little quiet as of late. Maybe we should take a roll call to
see who is still with us. This has been such a busy summer for me, lots of
company and little research being done.
Regards all,
Mary AnneThat surname I saw on the site, was Randy, major cool (sorry I haven't
developed into an adult yet), but I thought it was a cause worth spreading
around ( and hoping it wasn't a bother, to SCOL), I really do try to be a
help and not a bother. I did check out the website before I sent the forward!
So, SCOL, do you think I should send it ever... forward.....don't know a lot
of people, but know what counts (think I know!)
Deborah Smtih
grand daughter of Amon R. Sutphin and Mary Ocie Marshall Sutphin
Love you all!!
Mary Ann,
As far as research goes, you deserve a break..you brought me here and I will
be forever grateful...
Deb Smith
grand daughter of Amon R. Sutphin and Mary Ocie Marshall Sutphin
mark me "HERE" joanLois Johnsten in Nebraska here--desc Hendrick & Rachel>Henry & Mary
Ann/Polly Keith Sutphin>Riley and Mary Ann Houchins Sutphin>Henrietta
Sutphin and David Lawton/Lorton I called Dixie Anderson today. She's had a very busy summer. She
had her knee replaced and her husband had his foot amputate. I let
her know of Cherie's success, I read her the email from Cherie. But
the bottom of the email is missing. I don't suppose you still have
that in your SENT file, Cherie. And you can send it to me again.
I told her about the Hendrick Sutphin Marriage info, also.
She sends her love to all.
BrendaSylvia Newman Malone in Va. Hannah Sutphin, Hendrick Sutphin, Rachel Owen,
William Tyler Sutphin, Salette Anne Frances Luvina Sutphin, Hendrick Sutphin,
Lizena Kemp.Judy Benson...Sutphin lineage not yet determined; somewhere in the mid
1700's in New Jersey the name started popping up as a middle name and
Sutphins were referred to as "relatives"; have not found the marrieage
yet...most likely either VanWey or Dense??Me: Cheryl Anne Atkinson
d/o: Anna M Tolbert (aka Avis Shrewsbury) and James Richard Atkinson
d/o: Mattie H. Tolbert and George W. Shrewsbury
d/o: William Steffel Tolbert and Rhoda Ann Webb
s/o: Ellie (or Eleanor or Ellender) Tolbert
d/o: Mary (Polly) Tolbert
d/o: Ellender Sutphin and Allen Tolbert
d/o: William and Ailcy (?) Tolbert
--
Cherie Atkinson Clark
"mailto:chersfmly@aol.com"
"http://members.aol.com/chersfmly/"
Looking for ATKINSON in Ohio Co WV and Washington Co PA, FIFE in Allegheny
and Washington Co PA, KIMMINS (or KIMMONS) in Ohio and Marshall Co WV and
Washington Co PA, SKILES in Washington Co PA, TOLBERT in Carroll Co VA and
Raleigh and Fayette Co WV, WEBB in Carroll Co VA, McDAID in Washington Co PA
and Marshall Co WV, WOLFE in Greene Co and Washington Co PA, FARIS in Ohio Co
WV and Delaware Co OH, McCONNELL in Allegheny Co PA, MORROW in Allegheny Co
PA, SUPLER in Washington Co and Greene Co PA, and way too many associated
families to list!
**There are only two lasting bequests we can hope to give our children. One
of these is roots, the other, wings.** (Hodding Carter)Thomas E. Sutphin=20
Son of Harry F. Sutphin and Evelyn Stansberry Sutphin- Elizabethton, TN
Son of John Cleveland Sutphin and Eliza Jane Grindstaff Sutphin - =
Elizabethton, TN
Son of John Thomas Draper Sutphin and Hanna Pate Sutphin=20
Still here. Descendant of William; John; William Abner; Elijah Irvin; Martha
Jane Sutphin Reynolds; Betty Irene Reynolds Conoly.
Hope all are well.
- - - - -
Don Conoly
Germanton, NC
"mailto:Dconoly@mindspring.com"
"http://sites.netscape.net/dconoly/homepage"Patricia Gunn Baker
d/o Bessie Arlene Sutphin Gunn & Claude Wilton Gunn
d/o Charlie Franklin Sutphin & Rosella Elizabeth Shuler
s/o William Owen Sutphin Martha Jane Atkins
s/o John Sutphin & Rachel Montgomery
s/o William Sutphin Sr.I just had to share this. It is one of the most interesting bits of history
I have seen in quite a while.
As the folks who have been with SCOL for a while know how I searched for our
John B. Sutphin who died in Raleigh, NC., while on his way home to Floyd Co.
VA. on sick leave. 11/18/1863. Since there were no children born to the
marriage, there are no descendants to honor him.
Forgive me for sending during Roll Call, (which I am enjoying seeing the
names and families lines again.)
Regards to all,
Mary Anne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Angela Rhodes" <"mailto:angela@cocentral.com">
To: <"mailto:VALOUDOU-L@rootsweb.com">
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 3:36 PM
Subject: [VALOUDOU-L] civil war grave
> My name is Chris Rhodes and I am from Bailey, North Carolina. I am joining
the list concerning my great great-grandfather who was in the CSA. His name
was Ephriam Watson, Private, enlisted in Wilson Co., NC on Dec. 18, 1862.
He was a member of the NC 4th Cav. 59th St. Troops Co. H. According to the
information I received from the Confederate Roster, he died June 22, 1863
near Upperville, VA. Recently, while doing genealogy research, a cousin was
found to have the family bible of Ephriam's widow, Doreatha (Dolly) Ferrell
Watson. Inside the bible was a letter to Dolly from another member of
Ephriam's troop telling of Ephriam's death and the circumstances thereof.
The letter was written by a fellow soldier by the last name of Hinnant. The
information I'm giving here is not word for word but the best I could
remember as my cousin read the letter to me over the telephone and I have
not had a chance to get a copy of it yet.
>
> It said that Ephriam was found beside the road near Culpepper. He had
been shot off of his horse with one bullet hole above the left eye and two
in the chest. He was found with $12 in his pocket and that a fellow soldier
by the last name of Raper had the money to return back to his wife. It also
stated that the captain had him buried under a locust tree and that they
carved his name in the tree.
>
> The purpose of my post is that I was wondering if anyone on the list had
any information about this and as to where the location of the grave is. I
reason that any roads back then may have eventually became a road that is
still in use today and that the grave may be somewhere close to this road.
As I said before, the Confederate roster says he died near Upperville and
the letter stated he died near Culpepper so it may be anywhere in between.
According to the regimental history he would have been nearer to Upperville
than Culpeper but the letter throws in some doubt. Also, the Confederate
roster states he died June 22, 1863 and the letter was not mailed until
August of 1863 so the events may be somewhat sketchy. I am trying to locate
this burial site, if it still exist, and would appreciate any information
you may be able to offer. I know this is like searching for a needle in a
hay stack but thought that maybe someone might have knowledge of the grave.
I know how I certainly trampsed around when I was a kid or maybe someone has
heard of a grave of a civil war soldier that their grandparents told them
about. It may be possible that his body was relocated to a military
cemetery if anyone may have records of those.You just don't know till you
ask. Your help in this matter is greatly appreciated and I may be contacted
at:
>
> Chris Rhodes
>
> "mailto:angela@cocentral.com"
About time to hear from one of the Sutphen surnames! =20
Anna Sutphen b 1795 in Stone Arabia, NY m Tobias Vader b 1795, m 1815
Richard Vader b 1818 m Elizabeth Joanna Munger b 1824, m 1846
Florence Vader b 1854 m Nathaniel Wayne Farrand b 1854. m 1880
Jennie Grace Farrand b 1881 m Samuel Van Duzen Barton b 1873, m 1905
Ruth Jeannette Barton b 1926 m Robert Benjamin Street b 1925=20
Early generations were all from the state of New York. If you have any =
information that might pertain to Anna Sutphen and family, I'd really =
appreciate hearing from you. I have nothing, at this point! =20
Ruth Street
Although I'm a second generation native Floridian (which makes me a
cracker!), I'm currently living in Dayton, Ohio, going into my third year of
a BFA degree and working on the ol' family tree when I can! Mostly I lurk
on SCOL. I enjoy the exchanges between members, especially the amount of
information sharing and the great stories.
Cheers!
Ann Marie Rotolante
d/o Wayne Alan Rotolante and Betty Kay Sutphin
d/o Francis Dean "Blackie" Sutphin and Lula Opal "Opal" Stover
s/o Eugene Benton Sutphin and Annie Letha West
s/o Preston Hendrick Sutphin and Eliza J. Tuggle
s/o Hendrick Sutphin and Mary Jane Green
s/o (gettin' fuzzy at this point) Christopher Sutphin and Melinda Nichols
s/o (completely fuzzy) William and Alcy Sutphinjoan norman d/0
connie sutphin d/o
owen cornelieus sutphin (and laura alderman) s/o
eliza sutphin (and ?) d/o
owen sutphin (and sally thompson) s/o
hendrix sutphin (and rachel owen)I am related to the Sutphins through their marriages to Goads. Glenn Goad
was my father.
1. Hendrick Sutphin, 1768-c1857>John Sutphin,1790-1875>Rebecca Ann Sutphin,
1824-1870 (married Hiram Goad)>OrlandoGoad, 1848-1917>Tate Goad, 1886-1978>
Glenn Goad, 1911-l983.2. Hendrick Sutphin, 1768-c1857>William Tyler Sutphin, 1799-1874>Hendrick
Sutphin, 1820-1900>Saletta Ann Levina V.Sutphin, 1859-1919 (married Orlando
Goad)>Tate Goad>Glenn Goad.
3. Hendrick Sutphin, 1768-c1857>William Tyler Sutphin, 1799-1874>Elizabeth
Sutphin, 1824-1906 (married George HyltonTurman)>Montague Turman>Mary
Elizabeth TURMAN Mabry, 1882-1962 (marriedTate Goad)>Glenn Goad.
Jackie
Direct Descendants of Hendrick Sutphin To Mark E. Nester
1 [1] Hendrick Sutphin
*2nd Wife of [1] Hendrick Sutphin:
.. +Rachel Owen
......... 2 Owen Sutphin
............. +Sarah Thompson
.................... 3 Tazwell D. Sutphin
........................ +Serepta Montgomery
............................... 4 [9] Jethro Gagelee Sutphin
................................... +[8] Rhoda Eveline McPeak
........................................... 5 [3] Lillie Ruth Sutphin
............................................... +[10] George Washington
Nester
...................................................... 6 [5] Jesse Nester
.......................................................... +[4] Alpha Mae
Collier
................................................................. 7 [2]
Joseph Leon Nester
................................................................. * Wife of
[2] Joseph Leon Nester:
..................................................................... +[6]
Bonnie Gay Bowman
............................................................................
8 [7] Mark Edward Nester
........................................... *2nd Husband of [3] Lillie Ruth
Sutphin:
......... 2 William Tyler Sutphin
............. +Nancy Mabry
.................... 3 Lemina Sutphin
........................ +William L. Kemp
............................... 4 Nancy Catherine Kemp
................................... +Calvin Clayburn Bolt
........................................... 5 James W. Bolt
............................................... +Lucinda Elizabeth Bowman
...................................................... 6 Nancy Mahulda
Bolt
.......................................................... +Lorenzo Dow
Collier
................................................................. 7 [4]
Alpha Mae Collier
..................................................................... +[5]
Jesse Nester
............................................................................
8 [2] Joseph Leon Nester
............................................................................
* Wife of [2] Joseph Leon Nester:
............................................................................
.... +[6] Bonnie Gay Bowman
............................................................................
............ 9 [7] Mark Edward Nester
......... 2 Catherine Katherine Sutphin
............. +Archeleus McPeak
.................... 3 [11] Ruben McPeak
........................ +Minerva R Hylton
............................... 4 [8] Rhoda Eveline McPeak
................................... +[9] Jethro Gagelee Sutphin
........................................... 5 [3] Lillie Ruth Sutphin
............................................... +[10] George Washington
Nester
...................................................... 6 [5] Jesse Nester
.......................................................... +[4] Alpha Mae
Collier
................................................................. 7 [2]
Joseph Leon Nester
................................................................. *Wife of
[2] Joseph Leon Nester:
..................................................................... +[6]
Bonnie Gay Bowman
............................................................................
8 [7] Mark Edward Nester
........................................... *2nd Husband of [3] Lillie Ruth
Sutphin:
.................... *2nd Wife of [11] Ruben McPeak:Hi Ann, good to know you are still there.
Christopher Sutphin is one of the few of the children of William and Alcey
Sutphin we have proven.
When he married Mch. 10, 1866 at age 70 to 18 year old Rebecca Kinzer he
named his parents.
Christopher and wife Malinda Nichols Sutphin are listed in 1850 Monroe
County WVA. census with son Hendrick Sutphin age 18, which would match the
age of Hendrick Sutphin who m. Mary Jane Green in 1853 at age 21.
Christopher was in Grayson County VA. in 1830 and 1840 census. He and
brother Hendrick (m. to Jinsey Harbour) must have moved to Monroe at the
same time. Look as though Hendrick moved on to Boone Co. and Christopher to
Mercer Co. Interesting. This family continues to fascinate me. Hendrick and
Rachel's family were pretty stodgy compared to the wanderers in William's
family.
Mary Anne
I'm another descendant of Hendrick Sutphin and Rachel Owen, wandering in the
genealogical wilderness, searching for anything and everything that might be
a clue to Hendrick's ancestry.
Hendrick Sutphin and Rachel Owen
"Henry" Sutphin and Mary Anne "Polly" Keith
Bird Sutphin and Rebecca Jane Keith
Nelson C. Sutphin and Hannah Hylton
Dora Sutphin and Manasseh F. Wood/Woods (my maternal grandparents)
My website is research-oriented, and it is based on references to primary
sources, books, and knowledgeable researchers. One of the latter, Mary Anne
Sutphin, has helped me with my Sutphin information.
I have recently re-written the pages, and my text pages have clickable links
among the families; this makes the pages easier to read, and it's easier to
navigate the site.
"http://home.earthlink.net/~wwwizard/famhistory.htm"
My previous pages on Homestead have been taken down, so the above is my only
current site.
Steve DealDean Grow still here.
I'm son of George Grow,
son of Rosella Rounds,
dau of William C. Rounds,
son of Matilda Carmer,
dau of Aurientje (Harriet) Sutfin,
dau of Guisbert Sutfin (1745-1800) & Gertrude Sutphen (1st
Cousins)
son of Derick Sutphen (1716-1777)
son of Guisbert Sutphen (1693-1763)
son of Dirck Jansen Van Sutphen (1645-1706)
Still trying to get birth & death dates on Aurientje and
some children info from her marriage to Jacob Carmer. 1785
to 1825 from Sussex, NJ to Dryden, NY & west.
Margaret Sutphin, wife of Robert Sutphin
s/o Charles Sutphin and Eleanor O'Dell
s/o Hobart Ray Sutphin and Carrie Meade
s/o William Ransome Sutphin and Rowena Argabrite
s/o Eli Sutphin and Sarah Ann Martin
s/o Henry Sutphin and Mary Ann Keith
s/o Hendrick Sutphin and Rachel Owen
We live in Memphis, TN and my husband works for FEDEX. Recently a John =
Sutphin, who also works at FEDEX, came to see my husband, Robert to try =
to figure out how they were related. John said he had a relative who =
belongs to SCOL. If you are John's relative, please write to me, either =
through the list or you can e-mail me at "mailto:irish101@midsouth.rr.com". =
Maybe we can figure out how we are related.
I am also researching my relatives, Wlochowski. My parents immigrated =
from Poland in 1966. We know that some of our relatives came to the US =
in the early 1900's and that some of them changed the spelling to =
Wachowski. We've only been able to trace back to my great-grandfather =
in Poland, and that's only by word of mouth. I have not tried to get =
any records from Poland because it is so expensive. I would greatly =
appreciate any help or suggestions.
Margaret =20
I am still here. I am also from the Hendrick Sutphin/Rachel Owen line.
I start with my grandfather, as my mother is still living and I don't
share her information without permission:
William Earl "Mick" Burnett & Ruth Loretta Scott
s/o Oliver Franklin Burnett & Lulu Maude Ackley
s/o William Franklin Burnett & Susan Moore
s/o Obadiah Mayo Burnett
& Anna Marie Sutphin
d/o Owen Sutphin & Sarah Thompson
s/o Hendrick Sutphin & Rachel Owen
Pam Felton here
d/o Jeanne Vanderbilt & Thomas Oakes
d/o Stanton Vanderbilt & Cornelia Slocum
s/o Aaron Vanderbilt & Carrie Bell
s/o Peter Vanderbilt & Sarah Hutchinson
d/o William Hutchinson & Mary Pattison
s/o John Hutchinson & Elizabeth Van Duyn
d/o Abraham Van Duyn & Ariantje Sutphin
d/o Adrian Sutphin & Elizabeth Reyst
s/o Jacob Sutphin & Antje Bennet
s/o Dirk Jansen Sutphin (c1645-1707)
Julia Sutphin
d/o Malcolm Sutphin and Frances Adams
s/o Joseph Edgar Sutphin and Mary Malcolm
s/o Elijah Irvin Sutphin and Sarah Jane Belton
s/o Abner William Sutphin and Martha Frances Taylor
s/o John Sutphin and Rebecca Montgomery
s/o William Sutphin Sr. and Alcey (unknown)
?????
wife of decendent of William and Alcey Sutphin. Malinda (Linnie) Sutphin of
Wva. Akron Oh
Mark Wadsworth:
son of Margaret Sutphin and Burton Wadsworth
daughter of Elmon Sutphin and Sarah Maxcy
son of Nelson Sutphin and Hannah Hylton
son of Bird Sutphin and Rebecca Jane Keith
son of "Henry" Sutphin and Mary Anne "Polly" Keith
son of Hendrick Sutphin and Rachel Owen
My closest relative on the list is Stanley Sutphin, my mother's brother, who just joined. Next-closest is Steve Deal, I think; he's a second cousin.I am still here,,
Linda Sutphin
Pam:
My grams had a cousin Nellie Slocum, do you have more on your Slocum
line?
Grams was a Schoonover before marriage, perhaps we could correspond off list.
My e-mail "mailto:ken&inas@clarityconnect.com......Ina" S.
Hi,
My Sutphen connection: Bev Francque
d/o Viola Hoagland & Clair Newell
d/o Zeno Hoagland & Lydia Brandt
s/o William Hoagland & Laura Blashfield
s/o Richard Hoagland & Adaline Mc Guire
s/o Henry Hoagland & Hopie Huff
s/o Richard Hoagland & Charity Gulick
s/o Hendrick Hoagland & Leah Sutphen
d/o Jacob Sutphen & Antje Adrainse Bennett
s/o Dirck Jansen Sutphen & Lysbeth Jacobse Van NuysBill Morrow here, NJ Sutphin line:
Dirck VAN ZUTPHEN & Lysbeth JANSE
Jacob SUTPHIN & Antje Adriaense BENNET
Jacob SUTPHIN & Maryetje SCHENCK
Rulif SUTPHIN & Johanna STOUT
James Stout SUTPHIN & Charity HORTMAN
Rachel Ann SUTPHIN & Charles WILSON
Isaac Newton WILSON & Sarah Maria HIGGINS
Ira WILSON & Sarah Cray HANN
Anna Mildred WILSON & William A. Morrow (my parents)
Although there is not much NY/NJ activity on SCOL, I still enjoy reading
about our "southern cousins" since ALL of my father's ancestry is in the
south and all of my mother's is in NJ. A real "mixed bag".
Bill in HoustonI'm here, too. I enjoy reading about the genealogy quests, and other
stories on SCOL, although I haven't the time right now to actively pursue my
genealogical interests.
My husband is descended from Eleanor (Ellie, Nellie) Sutphin, who married
Peter Monfort. Some of the cousins very kindly helped me trace her ancestry
a while back, although I don't have that data immediately available at the
moment.
Greetings to all!
Carol from Nashville (formerly Warren County, Ohio)
Here are a couple corrections I am sending to Lois, and I am sure the folks
with interest in "Sutphin Cousins TOO," would also like for their records.
Remember, we said there would be mistakes, but all done with love and
respect for the Sutphin clan.
Regards,
Mary Anne
My line Michelle Crocker d/o George Cooper and Alice Sutphen Cooper d/o Learl Sutphen and Bertha Sorgenfrei Sutphen s/o Richard Sutphen and Elizabeth Batie Sutphen s/o David Sutphen and Mahala Hilderbrant Sutphen s/o Peter Sutphen and Sarah Cortleyou Sutphen s/o Stephen Sutphen and Nancy Durham Sutphen s/o Peter Sutphen and Catherine; Hunt Sutphen ">s/o Guisbert Sutphen and Ariaentje; Van Pelt Sutphen s/o Guisbert Sutphen and Geertruy Van Pelt Sutphen s/o Dirck Jansen Van Sutphen and Elizabeth Van Nuys Sutphen ">s/o Jan Van Sutphen and ="Lucida HandwritingShirley Verbrigghe
Shirley Ann Lamson d/o Gerald F. Lamson & Grace Ruth Manley
Grace Ruth Manley d/o Thomas Jefferson Manley & Mary Jane McMillion
Mary Jane McMillion d/o Richard H. McMillion & Mary Margaret Sutphin
Mary Margaret Sutphin d/o Jane Sutphin & ?
Jane Sutphin d/o Christopher Sutphin & Melinda Nichols
I'm really enjoying SCOLI am forwarding this note. We have occasionally discussed the Jacob
Sutphin/Sutfin who was in NC in late 1700's.
This lady is not subscribed to SCOL, so please share with the list any
thoughts you have on this family.
Thanks,
Mary Anne
----- Original Message -----
From: meekerbfe
To: "mailto:msutphin@tcia.net"
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 1:06 AM
Hi Mary Ann,
I am looking for info on Geddy S. who married Joseph Christie 1784 NC.
I think her father was Aaron and had a brother named Jacob I think. Do you
have any info that would help me out? Waiting to hear from you. Thank You
Karen Christy MeekerMorning Mary Anne,
Please go ahead and send my note on to cousins. By the way in NC,
Rowan co. and Iredell co. it is spelled Sutfin, Suffin, Sutpin, etc. on late
1700 and early 1800 legal documents. That is what I found. I figured all
the different spellings were still the same family name. What do you think?
Thanks KarenWilliam E. Sutphin
s/o Charlie Franklin Sutphin & Rosa Elizabeth Shular
s/o William Owen Sutphin & Martha Jane Atkins
s/o John Sutphin & Rachel Montgomery
s/o William Sutphin Sr.
I am 81 years old and the youngest of five still living in the family of =
Charlie Franklin Sutphin.
I am Carl Bauer doing work for my children by my deceased first wife Caroline
NMN Savage. Starting from one of the kids.
Carl William Bauer b 1965 son of
Caroline NMN Savage b 1940 daughter
of
Ellen Montfort Coward b 1915
daughter of
Ellen Marion Irvin b 1880
daughter of
Horace Andrew Irvin b 1855 son of
Ellen Montfort b 1833
daughter of
Authur Montfort b 1798
son of
Penelope Eleanor Ellen Sutphin b 1768 daughter of
Aert Suphin b 1718
son of
Gijsbert Sutphin b 1693
son of
Derck Jansen van Zutphen b 1645 son of
Jan Derckze van Zutphen b abt 1600 son of
Derck van Zutphen Hero of Breda (battle 1590)
Last two entries are from Dr Honeyman quotes as circulated on SCOL, not
verifed by separate lookup.
Secondarily, My sister's Sister-in-law is married to
Daniel Sutphin son of
Charles Wayne Sutphin son of
Joseoh Cleveland Sutphin b 1900 and I have it no futher back.
Goodmorning,
In researching my Sutfin family found in Rutherford Co., TN early 1800s,
I have found the following information. I'm not sure how this
Jacob/James is connected to my gg grandfather, Lewis H. Sutfin and his
brothers Jacob and Jonathan, and sister Mahala - perhaps uncle or even
father.
1810 Rutherford Co., TN census - Jacob Sutven
1820 Rutherford Co., TN census - James Sutfin
1825 Lawrence Co., AR tax record - James Sutfin
1829 Lawrence Co., AR tax record - James Sutfin
1830 Census/Tax, Lawrence Co., AR - James Sutsin
1833 Tax record, Lawrence Co., AR - James Sutfin
1834 Tax record, Lawrence Co., AR - James Sutfin
In reviewing the census records on this Jacob/James Sutfin he would have
been born between 1770-1775.
On the 1880 census for Craighead Co., AR (adjacent to Lawrence Co., AR),
my gg grandfather's brother, Jonathan Sutfin, indicated both his mother
and father were born in North Carolina.
Becky CripeAnother NJ Sut checking in--it's been a busy summer so I've been mainly
lurking.
Susan Case, great-great granddaughter of Sarah Sutphen m. Joseph C.S.
Labaw
d/o Arthur Sutphen m. Mary Cox
s/o Dirck Sutphen m. Anna Chamberlain
s/o John Sutphen m. Penelope Stout
s/ Jacob Sutphen m. Antje Bennet
s/p Dirck Jansen Van SutphenI just got your "Roll Call" reply and notice your Sutphen spelling and line.
I am lost with my Anna Sutphen who is my great great grandmother. She was
born in New York, but her line may have connections to New Jersey. Do you
see anything in your line that might lead me to some information? Perhaps
you read my roll call reply, but in case you missed it, here it is:
Anna Sutphen b 1795 in Stone Arabia, NY m Tobias Vader b 1795, m 1815
Richard Vader b 1818 m Elizabeth Joanna Munger b 1824, m 1846
Florence Vader b 1854 m Nathaniel Wayne Farrand b 1854. m 1880
Jennie Grace Farrand b 1881 m Samuel Van Duzen Barton b 1873, m 1905
Ruth Jeannette Barton b 1926 m Robert Benjamin Street b 1925
Thanks,
Ruth StreetI cannot resist these, nor resist sending to the Virginia cousins.
Mary Anne
>You are a true Virginian if 10 or more apply to you!
> >> >>
> >> >>1. Your idea of a traffic jam is ten cars waiting to pass a tractor
on
> >> >>the highway.
> >> >>
> >> >>2. "Vacation" means going to the family reunion.
> >> >>
> >> >>3. You've seen all the biggest bands ten years after they were
popular.
> >> >>
> >> >>4. You measure distance in minutes.
> >> >>
> >> >>5. You know several people who have hit a deer.
> >> >>
> >> >>6. Your school classes were canceled because of snow.
> >> >>
> >> >>7. Your school classes were canceled because of heat.
> >> >>
> >> >>8. You've ever had to switch from "heat" to "A/C" in the same day.
> >> >>
> >> >>9. You think ethanol makes your truck "run a lot better."
> >> >>
> >> >>10. Stores don't have bags; they have sacks.
> >> >>
> >> >>11. Stores don't have shopping carts; they have buggies.
> >> >>
> >> >>12. You see people wearing bib overalls at funerals.
> >> >>
> >> >>13. You see a car running in the parking lot at the store with no
one
> >> >>in it, no matter what time of the year.
> >> >>
> >> >>14. You use "fix" as a verb. Example: I am fix-un to go to the store.
> >> >>
> >> >>15. All the festivals across the state are named after a fruit,
> >> >>vegetable, grain, or animal.
> >> >>
> >> >>16. You install security lights on your house and garage to help you
see
> >> >>when you come home from the church meeting at night.
> >> >>
> >> >>17. You think of the major four food groups as beef, pork, beer, and
> >> >>Jell-O salad with marshmallows.
> >> >>
> >> >>18. You carry jumper cables in your car... for your OWN car.
> >> >>
> >> >>19. You know what "cow tipping" and "snipe hunting" is.
> >> >>
> >> >>20. You only own four spices: salt, pepper, ketchup, and Tabasco.
> >> >>
> >> >>21. You think everyone from a bigger city has an accent.
> >> >>
> >> >>22. You think sexy lingerie is a tee shirt and boxer shorts.
> >> >>
> >> >>23. The local paper covers national and international news on one
page
> >> >>but requires 6 pages for high school and college sports.
> >> >>
> >> >>24. You think that deer season is a national holiday.
> >> >>
> >> >>25. You know which leaves make good toilet paper.
> >> >>
> >> >>26. You find 90 degrees F "a little warm."
> >> >>
> >> >>27. You know all 4 seasons: Almost Summer, Summer, Still Summer, and
> >> >>Christmas.
> >> >>
> >> >>28. You know if another Virginian is from southern, middle, or
northern
> >> >>Virginia as soon as they open their mouth.
> >> >>
> >> >>29. There is a Dairy Queen in every town with a population of 1000 or
> >> >>more.
> >> >>
> >> >>30. You describe the first cool snap (below 70 degrees) as good soup
> >> >>weather.
> >> >>
> >> >>31. A carbonated soft drink isn't a soda or a cola or a pop-- it's a
> >> >>Coke,regardless of brand or flavor.
> >> >>
> >> >>32. Going to Wal-Mart is a favorite past-time known as "goin'
> >> >>wal-martin'"
> >> >>
> >> >>33. You recognize that cheese grits and fried catfish is a meal that
> >> >>must have been bestowed upon the people by the Lord Himself.
> >> >>
> >> >>34. You can be satisfied with a meal consisting only of a hunk of
bread
> >> >>with flavored flour & water (a delicacy known as "biscuit n' gravy").
> >> >>
> >> >>35. You actually get these jokes and forward them to all your friends
> >> >>from Virginia.
> >>--
Mary Anne,
I'm in Southern California now, a transplant from Southern Illinois, but
I have ancestors from AR, TN, GA, AL, VA, and SC, and I can identify
with at least half of these!
Becky CripeBecky,
I think that Jacobus is the Dutch version of James,
probably why it was picked up on the earliest census as
Jacob.
Dean Grow
Dean,
Thanks regarding Jacobus being the Dutch version of James. I've always
thought the Jacob and James Sutfin were the same individuals, now, if I
can just figure out how they relate to me.
Becky CripeI forgot to mention that in Nebraska we go to "Wally-World"[Wal-Mart] when
we go to the "city" [any town with a population above 10,000.] We had 4 cars
at the highway blinking amber light at 10 AM today; traffic is getting Bad!
:))))) Lois in NebraskaStudying what Mary Ann said about Dorsey Howard Sutphin, I gather Verne
Sutphin, wife Mary India Newman, is the son of Jordan and Mary/Polly Bolt
Sutphin; not the son of Alice/Virginia Alice Sutphin. Right or wrong? This
is a major change to the book. Cousin LoisSince I thought Roll Call would be a good idea, I guess I should add my
husband's line. Of course I claim them as my own.
Hendrick Sutphin and Rachel Owen,
Owen Sutphin and Sarah Thompson,
Tazwell D. Sutphin and Serepta Montgomery,
Jethroe G. Sutphin and Rhoda Eveline McPeak,
Wilbert Sutphin and Eliza Ellen Edmonds,
M. Joel Sutphin and Mary A. Powell.
Mary AnneFor those who descend from James and Margaret/Peggy Huff Keith and Griffith
and Mary(2) Huff Dickerson/Dickinson, I have proven that Mary(1)
Huff/Hoff/Hough, mother of Mary (2) and Peggy, is eligible for DAR and SAR
registration due to her providing provisions for the Henry Co, VA
reinforcements sent to General Greene at the Battle of Gilford Courthouse,
1781. If you want copies of my proof let me know. Mary (1) is not
registered with either organization. Lois in Nebraska
"mailto:johnsten@micrord.com"Nope not right, Verne Sutphin, s/o Alice Sutphin, who was d/o Florina
Sutphin and Milton Vanard "Van" Sutphin.
Florina d/o Jordon and Polly Bolt Sutphin. .
D. Howard Sutphin would not belong in "Sut TOO." All of his lines are
Hendrick Sutphin.
Dorsey R. Sutphin info looks correct.
Not a lot of change, just delete the line that states Dorsey and Eula.
Sutphin adopted Rhonda.(262 page 50.)
Sorry it has taken me so long to catch this.
Mary Anne
Mary Ann,
Thanks for posting your line. I was waiting for that so I could cut and
paste a bit.
Here's my line for the roll call.
Hendrick Sutphin and Rachel Owen,
Owen Sutphin and Sarah Thompson,
Tazwell D. Sutphin and Serepta Montgomery,
Jethroe G. Sutphin and Rhoda Eveline McPeak,
Rowena Sutphin and Albert Lawson Horton
Daisy Horton and George Tolbert
William Tolbert and Pat Schumann
Does anyone have a pic of Serepta? I copied it from a published book on the
Mabrys or Montgomerys of Carroll county (I think) but have seemed to have
lost it in one computer crash or another.
Thanks,
Bruce TolbertAlice Sutphen Cooper
d/o Learl Sutphen and Bertha Sorgenfrei Sutphen
s/oRichard Sutphen and Elizabeth Batie Sutphen
s/o David Sutphen and Mahala Hilderbrant Sutphen
s/o Peter Sutphen and Sarah Cortleyou Sutphen
s/o Stephen Sutphen and Nancy Durham Sutphen
s/o Peter Sutphen and Catherine Hunt Sutphen
s/o Guisbert Sutphen and Ariaentje Van Pelt Sutphen
s/o Guisbert Sutphen and Geertruy Van Pelt Sutphen
s/o Dirck Jansen Van Sutphen and Elizabeth Van Nuys Sutphen
s/o Jan Van Sutphen and ?????
Roll Call..Sherry Mullin
Three Sutphin Lines-
Hendrick Sutphin & Rachel Owen > John Sutphin & Celia Hylton > John Wesly
Sutphin Sr. & Lucretia Tolbert > John Wesley Sutphin Jr. & Lucy Tempa Bolt
> Lucy Anne Sutphin & Pleasant Thomas Smith > Floe Ella Smith &
MauriceEllis Koon > Ralph Koon & Evelyn Koon > Sheridan K. Mullin (Sherry) & Bob
Mullin
William Sutphin Sr. & Alsey > Ellender Sutphin & Allen Tolbert > Lucretia
Tolbert & John Wesley Sutphin > John Wesley Sutphin Jr & Lucy Tempa Bolt >
Lucy Anne Sutphin & Pleasant Thomas Smith > etc,
William Sutphin Sr. & Alsey > William Sutphin Jr. & Lucienda Blackard >
Catherine Sutphin & William "Tody" Bolt > Lucy Tempa Bolt & John Wesley
Sutphin, Jr. > Lucy Anne Sutphin & Pleasant Thomas Smith > etc,Mary Anne,
I've just been in Southwestern VA three years now... but these are perfect.
Might add this one...the Homecoming King at the only high school in the county
wore bib-overalls to the dance. They were his good bibs with a white shirt ,
tie, and jacket.
SherryOne of the messages referring to Jacob Sutfin said that he was in Rowan or
Iredell Co, NC, in the 1780s. I live in Statesville (Iredell Co), so I'll
try to go to the library here one evening and see if I can find anything on him.
Jason
Jason Duncan
Roll Call:
Hendrick Sutphin
John Sutphin
John Wesley Sutphin Sr
John Anderson Sutphin
Margaret Sutphin
Perry Duncan
Roy Duncan
John Duncan
(me) Jason Duncan
also:
William Sutphin Sr
Eleanor Sutphin
Lucy Tolbert
John Anderson Sutphin
Margaret Sutphin
Perry Duncan
Roy Duncan
John Duncan
(me) Jason Duncan
Jason
I have the picture which was used in the book. I am also supposed to have
one of Taz, Serepta and Homer, shortly before Taz died. My problem with this
one, I cannot find it. If cousin Roger is listening, maybe he will share.
(grin)
Mary Anne
That would be great Jason and very much appreciated. We have mentioned Jacob
a few times but no one seems to know anything about him. I have never
followed up on any leads, never had any real good ones to follow. If the
lady who contacted me is a descendant, it may answer a few questions for us,
as well as helping her. I did invite her to join SCOL.
Regards all from steamy Virginia. (88 today with humidity at least 100 %)
Mary Anne
Had to put my two cents in. Here is your list modified WV Style! Ken
>You are a true West Virginian if 12 1/2 or more apply to you!
> >> >>
> >> >>1. Your idea of a traffic jam is five pickups waiting to pass a coal
truck on the highway.
> >> >>
> >> >>2. "Dating" means going to the family reunion.
> >> >>
> >> >>3. You've seen all the big bands ten years after the band leader
died.
> >> >>
> >> >>4. You measure distance in =93hollers=93.
> >> >>
> >> >>5. You know two people who have not hit a deer.
> >> >>
> >> >>6. Your school classes were canceled because of a chance of snow.
> >> >>
> >> >>7. Your school classes were canceled because of hunting season.
> >> >>
> >> >>8. You've ever had to switch from "heat" to "A/C" in the same day.
What=92s A/C??:)))
> >> >>
> >> >>9. You think ethanol makes your truck "run a lot better." It will be
a few more years before we get something as new as ETH E NOL.
> >> >>
> >> >>10. Stores don't have bags; they have Pokes.
> >> >>
> >> >>11. Stores don't have shopping carts; they have take home buggies.
> >> >>
> >> >>12. You see people wearing bib overalls, beards and boots at
funerals. The casket is taken up to the graveyard via four wheeler.
> >> >>
> >> >>13. You see a car running in the parking lot at the store with no
one in it and country music playing , no matter what time of the year.
> >> >>
> >> >>14. You use "fix" as a verb. Example: I am a fix-un to go to the
store.
> >> >>
> >> >>15. All the festivals across the state are named after a fruit,
vegetable, grain, mineral (coal) or animal.
> >> >>
> >> >>16. You install security lights on your house and garage to help
your hounds see what they are barking at.
> >> >>
> >> >>17. You think of the major four food groups as beef, pork, beer, and
pepperoni rolls.
> >> >>
> >> >>18. You carry jumper cables, a tool box, brake fluid, body putty,
wire, and duct tape in your car... for your OWN car.
> >> >>
> >> >>19. You know what "cow tipping" and "snipe hunting" is and you can
still get Bubba to go out and do it..
> >> >>
> >> >>20. You only own four spices: salt, , ketchup, Tabasco and Tabbaccy.=
> >> >>
> >> >>21. You think everyone from a bigger city has a funny accent and you
always tell them about it. (It begins with =93You ain=92t from around here a=
re
ya.)
> >> >>
> >> >>22. You think sexy lingerie is a foreign word but you like it.
> >> >>
> >> >>23. The local paper covers national and international news on one
fourth of a page but requires a pull out section for high school and
college sports.
> >> >>24. You think that deer, ground hog, and squirrel season are
national holidays.
> >> >>
> >> >>25. You know which leaves make good toilet paper.
> >> >>
> >> >>26. You find 90 degrees F "a little warm and seriously consider not
burning the wood pile tonight"
> >> >>
> >> >>27. You know all 4 seasons: Almost Winter, Summer, Winter, and
> >> >>Deer season.
> >> >>
> >> >>28. You know if another West Virginian is from southern, middle,
northern, eastern, or western West Virginia as soon as they open their
mouth. (Also hill people
> >> >>
> >> >>29. There is a Dairy Queen and hotdawg store in every town with a
population of 100 or more.
> >> >>
> >> >>30. You describe the first cool snap (below 70 degrees) as good
ground hog huntin weather.
> >> >>
> >> >>31. A carbonated soft drink isn't a soda or a cola or a pop-- it's a
Coke, regardless of brand or flavor. (Can=92t touch this one it=92s the Holy=
Grail)
> >> >>
> >> >>32. Going to Wal-Mart is a favorite past-time known as "goin'
to a town meeting '"
> >> >>
> >> >>33. You recognize that pepperoni rolls, super spicy hot hotdogs and
fried sunnies is a meal that must have been bestowed upon the people by the
Mountain Momma.
> >> >>
> >> >>34. You can be satisfied with a meal consisting only of a hunk of
corn bread
> >> >>with beans. (Fried taters when you have important company.)
35. If this entire list seems normal and has no humor in it for you.Kristina Hiester Savage (now in Devon, England):
d/o Patricia Mary Nippe Hiester (born in Toledo, Ohio)
d/o Katharine Barber Nippe Wright
d/o Isabel Messinger Barber
d/o Aletta Bronson Messinger
d/o Lucretia Sutphen Bronson (in the Honeyman book -- don't remember the
number -- as 'married, moved to Toledo, Ohio')...
...and before that, it's in the book and not in my brain.
Sorry I don't have more specifics. I've put genealogy on the back burner
for the time being and don't even have any info handy, so that's off the top
of my head. (I've been on SCOL since the very beginning and enjoy the
posts.)
Kris Savage
"mailto:kris@airmail.net"For give me if i got this roll call thing all wrong....i thing i know =
what its about ?????????????????? if i am wrong will some one please =
let me know
thanks
Delbert Sutphin=20
s/o Paul William Sutphin
s/o John Grant Sutphin=20
s/o David Crocket Sutphin=20
s/o Nancy Sutphin=20
d/o Hendrick Sutphin
s/o William Sutphin Sr
s/o Christopher Sutphin
s/o John Sutphin
s/o Jan (John) Van Zutphen
s/o Derrick Jansen Van Zutphen
s/o Jan Van Zutphen
later ,
delbert ( "mailto:dalekids@carolina.net" )
I am here also,always lurking and learning. :)
Donna Sutphin Armentrout
Hendrick Sutphin and Rachel Owen,
Owen Sutphin and Sarah Thompson,
Tazwell D. Sutphin and Serepta Montgomery,
Jethroe G. Sutphin and Rhoda Eveline McPeak,
Wilbert Sutphin and Eliza Ellen Edmonds,
M. Joel Sutphin and Mary A. Powell.
Donna Sutphin Armentrout and Barry C. ArmentroutJason where have you been I have been looking for you tocome up and see John
Wesley's grave.Email me back so we can get together sometime.
Tony East
Has anybody (especially Mary Ann) any info on the offsprings of Eliza
Sutphin, d/o Owen/Sally s/o Hendrix/Rachel Owen. JoanI'm going to make a short question - long, if I could.
When I was talking with Dixie, we revisited one of the old issue
that we've been confused about for years. This came from the
struggle to find parentage of William Tolbert as well as Hendrick
and William Sutphin, Sr.
I have a copy of a letter from Rachel Tolbert, d/o William Tolbert
and Elindor Sutphin to my great grandmother (her niece) talking
about her parents, brothers, sisters, etc. On the top is "Bolt,
Virginia". It was written about 1906 (can't remember the exact
date, I'll have to dig it out again). My uncle thought that it was
Bolt, Raleigh County, West Virginia. The Tolberts went back and
forth from Raleigh County, WV to Carroll/Floyd, VA.
Here's the question...
Was Rachel Tolbert writing from West Virginia (I know that Rachel's
sons spent time there, but at least one is buried on the hill in
Dugspur, VA), or was she writing from the "Bolt" relatives in
Virginia? Also what was the draw to Raleigh County, West Virginia?
If anyone has any info to shed some light, it would be be greatly
appreciated.
Also, so we have any Tolberts from Illinois on-line?
Thanks for you help.
Brenda ReesHi,
If anyone takes the "New Netherland Connections," by Dorothy Koenig, there is
a whole article on "Reconstructing the Ancestry of Dirck Janse Van Sutphen"
by Susan Amicucci.
BevRachel was writing from the homeplace in VA. That area was a post office
called Bolt. Either because it was a large concentration of Bolts, or one of
the Bolts had the post office in their home. I think due to the former.
It is said the same family of Bolts (Toady Will and Catherine Sutphin Bolt
children)went to WVA. and that is how Bolt WV got its name.
In Rachel's letter, I believe she mentions she has not seen Jim and Ben in
sometime. I do not remember the exact words. Jim and Ben both lived Raleigh
Co.
Since few remember Bolt, VA. it was a common assumption they were talking
Bolt, WVA. Dixie and I hashed this out a long
time ago. (Essie remembered Bolt, VA.)
As to the draw to WVA., work maybe, remember Wesley Sutphin's wife Tempie
Bolt, went to WVA at the close of the war because there was more food and
living conditions better then they were here on the mountain. She and the
children and a couple sisters walked there because she had family there. In
later years, I heard the stories of others walking to WVA. to find work. One
of the Moles left Floyd County, walking over hill and dale, came directly to
the McPeak cousins house in Monroe County, WVA. Good sense of direction
those folks had.
Hope this helps,
Mary Anne
Here is my connection, through my wife, to the Sutphin family
Hendrick Sutphin
Hendrick Henry "Hallie" Sutphin
Eli Sutphin
Simon Henry Sutphin
Wayne Sutphin
Penelope "Penny" Sutphin
+ David Carstens
David L. Carstens
<"mailto:hopelcdeaf@juno.com">
I have responded to several messages. I was thinking that maybe I have =
been taken off of the list. If anyone can read this please let me know. =
Jason was one that I responded to the other day And I got the mail =
showing back one my computer but no answer from him.I have been off of =
the computer for a while so maybe everyone has forgot me. That is not =
very hard to do.
Tony East
Tony,
You're coming in "loud and clear".
Gary Sutphin
Although some of you are already aware of this, I thought the list at lar=
ge would be interested to know that the current issue of "New Netherland =
Connections" features an article I wrote about Dirck Janse Van Zutphen an=
d his parents.
Through careful analysis of the baptisms witnessed by Dirck and his wife,=
Lijsbeth Jans, I have learned that Dirck is the son of Jan Hendricksen W=
esseling and Elsje Jans; and that he had two other siblings; Harmentje Ja=
ns (wife of Jeuriaens Janszen Van Aurick) and Hendrick. Jan Wesseling, E=
lsje Jans, and their children, Dirck, Harmentje, and Hendrick, all came t=
o Staten Island from Vorden, located near Zutphen, with Cornelis Melyn's =
settlers in 1650.
Jan Hendricksen Wesseling is the son of Henrick Derxs Ten Aeseler, a tena=
nt farmer who leased the farmstead Groot-Wesselinck in Vorden from 1612-1=
652. The identity of Henrick's father is unknown, but Henrick's patronym=
suggests that his father's name was Dirck (Derxs). Elsje Jans is the da=
ughter of Jan at Bramel. Bramel is the name of another farmstead situate=
d near Groot-Wesselinck.
Louis DeBoer and Abraham Van Doren Honeyman mistakenly applied the modern=
usage of surnames to the 17th c., and assumed that the Van Zutphens of T=
ongerle and Breda must be related to Dirck, when in fact the name "Van Zu=
tphen" simply meant that they or their parents, like Dirck, came from Zut=
phen or one of its surrounding villages or farmsteads. There is no evide=
nce to suggest that Dirck, his father Jan Hendricksen Wesseling, and his =
grandfather Henrick Derxs Ten Aeseler are descended from or related to Di=
rck van Zutphen "the hero of Breda" or Jan van Zutphen of Tongerle.
If you would like to obtain a copy of the article, please contact Dorothy=
Koening at "mailto:dkoenig@library.berkeley.edu". Single issues of NNC cost $5.0=
0.
Susan Amicucci
"mailto:amicucci@msn.com"
Thank you for posting this Susan. Several of us have been trying to find
the article since Bev's posting on Thursday.
I hope this will bring some discussion from some of the more
knowledgeable
Sut* researchers.
Thank you again, this is most interesting.
Regards all,
Mary Anne
Hi Tony. Glad to know you are still with us, I am sure you are aware I
am still here. I have not heard from Jason in a while, he probably just
stays busy with summer here. If you have his telephone number, give him
a call to be sure he is well.
Regards,
Mary Anne
Still here, reading every post, but late in responding.
Christopher F. Sutphin
s/o John (Jack) E. Sutphin and Henrietta Fayer
s/o Joseph Leroy Sutphin and Elizabeth Egleston
s/o Christopher Sutphin and Alice Willis
[Dirck, Abraham, Derick, Abraham, John, Abraham] No. 181 Honeyman =
book
Regards to all,
Chris
Chris and Barbara Sutphin
8720 Bay Colony Drive #104
Naples, FL 34108
Tel: (941)596-1351 Fax: (941)596-1353
"http://home.earthlink.net/~csutphin/index.html"
As far as I know, the only way you would be taken off the list is you have to
request to be taken off.
You are coming in loud and clear here.
Tammy HudsonHello to the Cousins,
I am also still here, although not as active as I would like to be.
My sister and her husband just opened a restaurant and we have worked all
summer to get the building ready for the public. I also clean houses along
with working at the restaurant.
My line goes like this:
Hendrick and Rachel Owen Sutphin
Owen and SarahThompson Sutphin
Tazewell D. and Sarepta Montgomery Sutphin
Legrande and Arizona Sutphin Sutphin
Tazewell E. and Ollie Jarrells Sutphin
Leonard and Fannie Sutphin Tolbert
Samuel N. and Dorothy Sherlock Tolbert
Leslie David and Tamara Tolbert Hudson
Hope everyone has a great week.
Tammy
PS MaryAnne do you know what the D. stands for in Tazewell DWow--this is some article! Hope Susan will reproduce it on our SCOL list!
joan
Hi, Tony. I'm still here! I posted my Sutphin lineage to the list a couple
days ago, but never saw your post. What's up?
Jason
Been really busy with my three sons starting school. Not really had time to
get on much. But Just to check email and then off again, I saw your lineage
along with everyone else's. I have taken a picture of John Wesley's grave
stone when I get them back I will send you a copy.
Your Cousin Tony East
I remember reading here recently that Jacobus was the name for James in =
the Netherlands and therefore Jacobus in your line must be James. =
According to my friend who is from Holland, it definitely is not James.=20
Just thought I'd put this out for your information.=20
Ruth
Tammy,
Sounds like you've been having fun. After reading your email at work this
morning, I'm also curious as to what D. stands for. Isn't it Tazwell Dors
Sutphin. My memory isn't what it used to be.
Hope all is well with you and yours,
Bruce
Hi Bruce, we have never known what name the D in Tazwell D. Sutphin is.
Since his son was Tazwell Eurastis Van Dorn Sutphin, many have speculated
the D. was also for Van Dorn. I have often wondered in the Van Dorn could be
a clue as to the link to the other Sut* families. So far I have found little
connection.
If any one in the family has heard other guesses, I would love to hear them.
Regards,
Mary Anne
This is Margaret Sutphin. My mother-in-law, Eleanor Sutphin passed away =
Monday, August 13, 2001. For the last couple of years she has been =
battling with bone cancer, kidney failure and congestive heart failure. =
The cause of death was congestive heart failure.
This is her obituary from the Beaufort Gazette.
Eleanor D. O'Dell Sutphin, 76, of Memphis, Tenn., widow of Charles E. =
Sutphin, died August 13, 2001, in Memphis.
Services will be 1p.m. Friday in Beaufort National Cemetery.
Mrs. Sutphin was born on March 17, 1925, in Nallen, W.Va., a daughter of =
Geoff O'Dell and Mary Melvina Nettles O'Dell. She was formerly a =
resident of Beaufort.
Survivors include a son, Robert "Bob" Sutphin of Cordova, Tenn.; a =
daughter, Sandra L. Gain of Tampa, Fla.; a brother, Gerald O'Dell of =
Suffolk, Va.; a sister, Pauline Ray of W.Va.; and three grandchildren.
The family suggests those who wish may make memorials to the American =
There is a lively discussion taking place on the Rootsweb Dutch-Colonies
mailing list about Louis P. de Boer and his questionable (some say
fraudulent) genealogies. Since he authored the introduction to "The Sutphen
Family", I thought the messages might be of interest to this list. You can
access the messages through
"http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/Dutch-Colonies/2001-08". There are two
or three threads pertaining to the subject. Enjoy!
Is their any one who knows who this person parents and grand parents are? I
don't have neither Marion Sutphin or Arnille Bolt in my data and figure I
should have both.
Thanks
Mark
> SUTPHIN, Marion Paris, 76, of Prince Frederick, Md., passed away Saturday,
> August 18, 2001. Survivors include his wife, Arnilla Bolt Sutphin, Saint
> Leonard, Md.; son and daughter-in-law, Gary and Jewell Sutphin, Meadows of
> Dan; daughters and sons-in-law, Alfreda and Doug Horton, Meadows of Dan,
> Patricia and Russell Stallings, Prince Frederick, Md., Linda Sutphin, St.
> Leonard, Md.; brother, Trubie Sutphin, Annapolis, Md.; sister, Gloria
> Wiggins, Eastern Shore, Md.; 11 grandchildren and 16 great-grandchildren.
> Funeral services will be 11 a.m. Monday in the Maberry Funeral Home
Chapel,
> Floyd, with Pastor J.C. Willard officiating. Burial will be in the
Alderman
> Cemetery, Willis. The family will receive friends from 6 to 8 p.m. Sunday
> at the Maberry Funeral Home.Thanks for sending Mark. I have so little information on this family. Only
what I was given by Cosley Sutphin many years ago.
Marion Paris Sutphin, s/o Charles and Ola Lambert Sutphin, Charles,
"Charley" s/o Francis Marion "Soda Marion" Sutphin and Louella Belcher
Sutphin. Marion, s/o William and Francis Alderman Sutphin. I am not sure who
Arnell Bolt was. This Sutphin family married into the Jesse and John Bolt
families of Floyd Co.
Regards,
Mary Anne
Arnilla Ellen Bolt, widow of Marion Paris Sutphin, is a double descendant of
Hendrick and Rachel Owen Sutphin. Armilla d/o Martin/Walter Martin Bolt and
Virginia/Jennie Moles. Martin Bolt s/o Claborne and Mary Sowers Bolt;
Claborne s/o John and Sarah Sutphin Bolt; Sarah d/o Tyler Bill and Nancy
Mabry Sutphin. Virginia/Jennie Moles d/o Obediah and Amanda Alderman Moles;
Amanda d/o Tom and Elizabeth Keith Alderman; Tom s/o John and Hannah Sutphin
Alderman. Both Hannah Sutphin and Tyler Bill Sutphin are children of
Hendrick and Rachel Owen Sutphin.
Lois Johnsten out of book "Sutphin Cousins: Descendants of Hendrick and
Rachel Owen Sutphin".The MP Sutphin obit corrected the Arnilla Ellen Bolt family in "Sutphin
Counsins, Update" page 249. Alfreda Gay Sutphin did not marry ---
Stallings. Mary Anne gave the Marion Paris Sutphin line, which is not
connected in "SCU". These are two important corrections I hope owners of
the 2 vol book will write in their copies. Cousin Lois in NebraskaHey!!! I'LL bet you thought I had dug a hole, and jumped in, NO. NO.
I have been working on putting country Music on the Sutphin web Site,
some up and see how you like it. If you have a Favorite song let me
know and I will look for it and put it on, OK??
PhillipI forgot to give the URL for the Sutphin Web Site.....Phil
"http://pages.zdnet.com/hatchphil/scolcouisinsonline/"
Hi Phillip. Do you have the "Ballad of Frieda Bolt," on there? :-)
Ann, Yoy really are pulling my leg, I haven't heard that song since
I was a youngster, just by chance, do you have the words? If so,
send me a E Mail through SCOL, I will bet the others will get a kick
out of it, thanks
Phil.I just sent you the link where you can find it.
Mary AnneWould love to know the exact location of a family cemetary somewhere in Pittsylvania Co. Va. (possibly near Danville, Va.) where there were several Sutphin graves. This was on a farm, and was not far off to the side of the two-story farmhouse. I last saw these graves back in the late 1950's.I know there are some Sutphins located in Middleburg and Leesburg, VA. I am a related to a Clarence Thomas Sutphin. Any relation to the Sutphins you are lookig for?Thanks, Lisa. I am only related by marriage to someone I used to visit at the farmhouse where this graveyard was. She was the great-grandmother of my daughter----who must have been an in-law to some of the people buried there. I would love to find this farmhouse and graveyard also in hopes of finding where this person is buried. It was somewhere near Danville, Va.Could this cemetery have been near South Boston? There is a small one there, only two Sutphin graves, Dr. J.W. Sutphin and his wife Martha Singleton Sutphin. Dr. J.W. died in 1864, at the battle of the bridge. There are two other graves, I believe a Smith couple, who owned the farm after the Civil War.
Thank you both Lyn and Joan for your comments regarding my article in New
Netherland Connections. I had posted some of my findings about Dirck Janse
Van Sutphen's parents to this list a couple weeks ago, however for those of
you who may have missed that post, here it is again...
Louis DeBoer and Abraham Van Doren Honeyman made two errors that led them to
the wrong conclusions about Dirck's ancestry. First, they both missed the
list of men who took the Oath of Allegiance in 1687. Here Dirck stated that
he had been in this country for 36 years, which places his arrival to New
York in 1651. This fact should have led the authors of "The Sutphen Family"
to conclude that Dirck, who was a child in 1651, probably came here with his
parents. Instead, DeBoer claimed that Dirck emigrated in 1676, and
consequently he ignored all New York records prior to this date. Why DeBoer
chose 1676 as the year Dirck arrived here is a mystery, since he did not
provide us with any evidence or logic to support this date.
Second, DeBoer applied the modern usage of surnames to the 17th c. and
assumed that everyone in the Netherlands who was known as "Van Zutphen" was
somehow related to Dirck. Surnames were not in use in 17th c. Netherlands.
Men were distinguished from one another by their patronym (i.e. Dirck
Janszen means Dirck, son of Jan), occupation, or locale (van Zutphen simply
means "from Zutphen"). These names were used interchangably, and they
sometimes changed as men moved from one city, town, village, or farm to
another. The only "relationship" that exists between Dirck Van Zutphen (the
hero of Breda), Jan Van Zutphen of Tongerle (supposed owner of the coat of
arms), and Dirck Janse Van Sutphen of New Utrecht is that they have roots in
the region around Zutphen. The romanticism of military heroism and the coat
of arms would have greatly pleased DeBoer's client (Honeyman), who probably
paid for his services.
Through analysis of New Amsterdam church and orphan records I have
ascertained that Dirck is the son of Jan Hendricksen Wesseling and Elsje
Jans, and that he had two other siblings; Harmentje and Hendrick. Jan
Wesseling and his family came from Vorden to Staten Island with Cornelis
Melyn's settlers in 1650. Shortly after their arrival here, Jan died and
Elsje removed to Manahattan with her children, where she married two more
times. Jan Hendricksen Wesseling is the son of Henrick Derxs Ten Aeseler, a
tenant farmer who leased the farmstead Groot-Wesselinck in Vorden from
1612-1652. The identity of Henrick's father is unknown, but Henrick's
patronym suggests that his father's name was Dirck (Derxs).
You can obtain a copy of the article, which includes more details, from
Dorothy Koenig, editor of New Netherland Connections, at
"mailto:dkoenig@library.berkeley.edu" . Single issues of NNC cost $5.00.
Like Lyn and Joan, I too am curious to hear the opinions of others on this
list regarding Dirck's ancestry.
Susan Amicucci
"mailto:amicucci@msn.com"Hi, Mike,
I've misplaced the address to subscribe so I'll ask this way. Please advise
if I need to do it differently.
I'm changing my e-mail address to "mailto:pawprintsrus@yahoo.com"
so if you could change my subscription to the list accordingly, I would
appreciate it.
I've heard that AOL loses about half the mail that comes in and I'm beginning
to believe it. I never saw a thing about Dirck Sutphen in recent messages.
I saw several condolence messages about someone who had passed away, but
never the original message about who it was. This list isn't the only one.
Let's see if the change makes any difference -- it has for my sister.
Thanks,
Lyn
Month later roll call
William Sutphin (Sr.) born on 20 Dec. 1761 and Alcey\ Ailsy=20
Katherine/Kitty/Kettura Sutphin born in 1796
William Jesse (Jeppe) Sutphin born about 1820 and Sarah Moles born about =
1822=20
Baily Sutphin born on 15 Jan.1850 and Louisa (Ginza) Keith born on 17 =
Sept. 1856
William Henry Sutphin born in 1873 and Sabrina "Sis" McPeak born on 17 =
May 1875
Charlie Esley Sutphin born on 26 Feb.1900 and Grace Phillips born 15 =
Aug.1907
Irene France Sutphin born 21 Aug.1935 and Walter Edward Farmer 17 =
Dec.1931
Sharon Ren=E9 Farmer born 9 June 1957
I finally got the time to get my family line together to response to the =
roll call done a month ago. I alway enjoy reading the email on the =
Sutphin cousins. I'm always so busy I never have time to response to any =
of it. I worked on getting all our familys records together and never =
could find the time to just copy them and forward them to Lois or Mary =
Anne for the Sutphin Cousins book. I'll still get them to you at some =
point and time.
I've been very busy chasing my 2 year old around Shey Ren=E9 and trying =
to keep her out of everything.
I've also been working on our web site for our gun stock business. The =
address is "http://www.dressels.com" some of you may have an interest in rifles =
and shotguns.
I plan to visit Virginia in Oct. and hope to get with Mary Anne and find =
the old Sutphin home place. Where my grandfather Charlie Sutphin, father =
lived or his parents Baily Sutphin and Louisa (Ginza) Keith.=20
I do have a question, I know probably alot of you know the answer to =
this. What happen in the the Buffalo Shootout?
As Ever,
Sharon Farmer-Dressel
Susan,
I'm sending for a copy of the magazine; in the meantime, this information
about two siblings looks extremely interesting. It might be very helpful to
know about the descendants of Harmentje and Hendrick.
One piece of information that is online is given as a 1658 New York City,
Dutch Reformed Church record of Harmentje's marriage: "Jeurian Janszen Van
Aurick in Oost Vrieslt., en Harmentje Jans Van Zutphen"
I believe this tidbit is in agreement with the great amount of information
you found in person. I hope that more information will lead to further
revelations about Harmentje, Hendrick, and their families.
Thanks for doing such good work,
Steve DealDear Sharon,
I'm in this line, also. Is there ANY info on Alcey/Ailsy?!?!?! Is her
nationality known? I'd love to know where the "Sutphin VA homeplace" is
located AND I know nothing about the Buffalo Shootout -- sounds like great
stuff!!!
Sharon, we're close to the same age and I can't imagine having a 2 year old
-- best of luck!!!
julia
Hi Sharon. Let's ask cousin Gary if he can tell us where Will Henry and Sis
McPeak Sutphin lived. I have an idea where Baily lived, I have not been that
way in a while.
Speak up Gary, you know I get lost easy on the mountain roads. :-)
Mary Anne
Ya know guys and gals, I started my genealogy research royally; in 1998. I
started with the memories of my Grandmother, Mary Ocie Marshall Sutphin. When
I was 18, and had gotten my first a car, my Grandmother would greet me in the
front yard (she always greeted with a smile), with a special gleam in her
eye. " Do you think you could take me to Richmond (she didn't have to say
why). She wanted to continue her passion, her family history. "Sure I could,"
I'd say. I loved her more than life itself and would do anything for her. But
she never got that ride to the Richmond Library, because I was always way-
layed by "more important business".
What I'm trying to say is that the guilt of that memory, and the love of my
Grandmother has gotten me here today... and I'm enjoying the heck out of it.
Wish, I had taken her to the library some 25 odd years ago, I would have
bypassed a lot of trouble...
Love you guys........good luck in your search.......it's all done in love!
Deb
Steve,
When you say that it would be helpful to know more about the descendants of
Dirck Van Sutphen's descendants, you make an excellent point. The baptism
records for Harmentje Jans' grandchildren enabled me to trace Dirck back to
his parents, Jan Wesseling and Elsje Jans. The baptism records for Dirck's
own children show that he was often recorded simply by his patronym, Dirck
Janszen. Without the "Van Sutphen", positive identification is nearly
impossible since there were several men in New York and Long Island known by
that name. At the baptisms of three of Harmentje's grandchildren Dirck (as
Dirck Janszen) together with his wife, Lijsbeth Jans, were named as
sponsors. It is Lijsbeth's presence at these baptisms that make positive
identification of Dirck possible.
The NNC article does not contain much detail about Harmentje, except as it
pertains to Dirck, so I am to posting that information here. Dirck's
brother, Hendrick, seems to have disappeared after he received his maternal
inheritance in 1668. He may have assumed Janszen, Van Sutphen, or Wesseling
/ Wessels as his surname. I have not yet located him under any of these
names.
As you noted, Harmentje Jans and Jeuriaens Janszen registered their
intention to marry on 1 Jun 1658. The record states "Jeuriaens Janszen, Van
Aurick in Oost Vriesl. (East Friesland), en Harmentje Jans, Van Zutphen".
Between 1659-1677 Jeuriaens and Harmentje had ten children baptized in the
Reformed Dutch Church of New York. Jeuriaens died sometime between 1677 and
24 Apr 1681 when Harmentje and her second husband, Jan Janszen Volkert,
registered their intention to marry. Harmentje's second marriage was
shortlived, however, for she died within a year, and on 11 Jul 1682 Jan
Janszen Volkert, widow of Harmentje Jans, and Grietje Jans, widow of Jan
Kerseboom, registered their marriage intention. The children of Harmentje
Jans Van Sutphen and Jeuriaens Janszen are as follows:
1. Jan, bpt. 1 Jan 1659; sp. Mr. Pauius (Paulus) Van der Beek, Tryntie de
Haes
2. Elsje, bpt. 24 Apr 1661; sp. Gerrit Van Tricht, Annetie Meynderts
3. Jannetie, bpt. 8 Aug 1663; sp. Jeronymus Ebbing, Sara de Foreest
4. Dirckje, bpt. 13 Sep 1665; sp. Thomas Franszen, Neeltje Urbanus
5. Johannes (Jan), bpt. 23 Oct 1667; sp. Thomas Franszen, Annetje Abels
6. Maria, bpt. 19 May 1669; sp. Isaac de Foreest, Aeltie Abels
7. Maria, bpt. 22 Mar 1671
8. Hendrick, bpt. 12 Feb 1673; sp. Dirck Janszen (Van Sutphen), Helena
9. Jeuriaens, bpt. 29 Jul 1674; sp. Hendrick Obe, Lysbeth Stoffels
10. Jeuriaens, bpt. 10 Oct 1677; sp. Abel Hardenbroeck, Leentie Claes
From the names of Harmentje's children, we know that at least Jan (1659),
Maria (1669), and Jeuriaens (1674) died as infants. Elsje Jeuriaens married
Diedlof Dorn, son of Claes Diedlofszen and Aeltje Samsons, and had five
children baptized between 1681-1687, although it seems only two reached
adulthood (Cornelius and Catharina). Dirck Janszen (Van Sutphen) sponsored
Catharina's baptism on 4 May 1684. My research on Elsje's desendants, and
her husband's ancestry was published in New Netherland Connections, vol. 5,
#'s 1 and 2.
Jannetie Jeuriaens married Willem Willems sometime before the baptism of
their eldest child in 1685. Jannetie and Willem had three children, two of
whom were sponsored by Dirck and his wife:
1. Jurrie (Jeuriaens), bpt. 20 Dec 1685; sp. Dirck Jansen, Lijsbeth Janse
2. Barbara, bpt. 9 Jan 1687; sp. Dirck Jansen, Lijsbet Jansen
3. Elsje, bpt. 9 Sep 1688; sp. Dijte Lof Doree (Diedlof Dorn), Elsije
Jurreanse
Dirckje married Cornelius Gerretsen Van Sant, son of Gerret Stoffelszen Van
Sant, around 1688. They had one daughter, Elizabeth, who was bpt. on 28 Jul
1689. Both Dirck and Lijsbeth sponsored this baptism as well. Dirkje and
Cornelius removed to Maryland with other members of the Van Sant family.
Cornelius' will indicates that he had a second wife, and three more
children, but it is not known whether Dirckje or the second wife is the
mother of these children.
I have no further information on Harmentje's remaining four children; Jan
(1667), Maria (1671), Hendrick, and Jeuriaens (1677). It is quite possible
that they too died young.
Susan Amicucci
"mailto:amicucci@msn.com"Mary Anne and Sharon,
I'm not sure of the exact location of Baily's and Ginzas home place. I
know it's near Renick, WV, on the Green bier River. I know that when company
came they would come down the the bank of the river and "holler" and someone
would come over and pick them up in a row boat. I'll ask Mom, she was there
several times but it's doubtful if she can tell you how to get there although
Ted might. I do know how to how to get to the Walkup Cemetery where Baily,
Ginza, and Ginza's mother, Rachel Alderman Keith is buried. I did find Wm Henry
and Catherine Workman in the 1910 WV census living way over in WV (I can't
remember the county right now). I'll see what I can come up with.
Sharon, your web page is "dynamite". Makes an ole gun handle whittler
just drool all over the keyboard. I'm sure it will increase your business
greatly. Has Paul fully recovered from his fall? I hope so.
I've had a great year shooting. I finished third at the Maryland
Championship, and Travis (Billy's grandson won several event also). Been busy
with the Sons of Confederate Veterans, bought a CSA uniform, boy are they ever
hot!
Mary retired April 20th and MY LAST DAY IS NOVEMBER 16TH!!!!!!!!!!!
Nothing serious planned as I'm just going to roam around just like an old huntin
hound!
Later ...... Gary
Mary Anne Sutphin wrote:
> The children of Harmentje
> Jans Van Sutphen and Jeuriaens Janszen are as follows:
>
> 1. Jan, bpt. 1 Jan 1659; sp. Mr. Pauius (Paulus) Van der Beek, Tryntie de
> Haes
> 2. Elsje, bpt. 24 Apr 1661; sp. Gerrit Van Tricht, Annetie Meynderts
> 3. Jannetie, bpt. 8 Aug 1663; sp. Jeronymus Ebbing, Sara de Foreest
> 4. Dirckje, bpt. 13 Sep 1665; sp. Thomas Franszen, Neeltje Urbanus
> 5. Johannes (Jan), bpt. 23 Oct 1667; sp. Thomas Franszen, Annetje Abels
> 6. Maria, bpt. 19 May 1669; sp. Isaac de Foreest, Aeltie Abels
> 7. Maria, bpt. 22 Mar 1671
> 8. Hendrick, bpt. 12 Feb 1673; sp. Dirck Janszen (Van Sutphen), Helena
> 9. Jeuriaens, bpt. 29 Jul 1674; sp. Hendrick Obe, Lysbeth Stoffels
> 10. Jeuriaens, bpt. 10 Oct 1677; sp. Abel Hardenbroeck, Leentie Claes
Susan,
Verrrrry interesting! Excellent work - thanks for your posting.
SteveHi list,
The message from gwsut has the name of a known virus, and it looks like it
might well be one. This is not a reply, and this type of virus would not
infect my Mac.
The safest thing to do is to not open the message, which has no subject.
Hi Gary,
My email provider send me this message.
Nwinfo.net's virus protection service has detected a potential
email virus. This suspicious message has been quarantined in
your Nwinfo.net Message Center
From: "mailto:gwsut@EROLS.COM"
I don't know if this is anything to be concerned about or not? I got a =
virus a few years ago and give it to some folk unknowning. I lost a =
whole lot of files of my own and I'm sure it cause some other folk great =
aggravation.
I'm a little afraid to open your email message. Please let me know if =
you think this is a false alarm or not.
Sincerely,
Sharon Dressel
"mailto:dressels@nwinfo.net"
"http://www.commandcom.com/virus/love.html"
Here is a link that describes a loveletter worm in detail.
This is the proper way to report a virus that is not a hoax.
SteveSteve
I had that very same e-mail waiting on me tonight, I am a virus dummy,Was it
to have an attachment? mine did not, after reading your note to the list I
saw the e-mail and deleted it right away. Am I safe?
Thank you
Donna Sutphin Armentrout
Is anyone else having problems getting into Ancestory.com? I keep
getting "Netscape is unable to locate the server ancestory.com".
Becky CripeI deleted 2 emails from "gwsut" before reading due to the information about
viruses -- which I really appreciate! Was there any content in either one of
the messages? And if so, could someone pass along the content virus-free?
Thanks!
julia
Does anyone know which of these children is related to William Sutphin, born
12/1761 in New Jersey?
Hi,
Just received this tip on one of my lists - worked for me getting into
the message boards.
"There is a problem. There is a note on the Rootsweb Help page...Not
sure if
they are still trying to mesh the ancestry and rootsweb message board
pages or
what, but for the time being use this link to get to the boards;
William Sutphin born 1761 is probably not descended from Dirck's sister,
Harmentje. Harmentje's children were known by their patronym, Jeuriaens
(i.e. son or daughter of Jeuriaens Janszen). Surnames and patronyms do not
pass down through matrilineal lines.
With the exception of her marriage banns, Harmentje did not appear in any
other records as "van Zutphen". Her three daughters, Elsje, Jannetie, and
Dirkje all used their patronym "Jeuriaens". Elsje Jeuriaens' descendants
were Dorns (later Van Dorn), and Dirkje Jeuriaens probably had no
descendants, since the only child we know of (Elisabeth) died before
Dirkje's husband, Cornelius Gerretsen Van Sant, wrote his will on 6 May
1734.
Dorothy Koenig, editor of "New Netherland Connections" shared with me
yesterday an article written by Mabel Spell on the van Borculo family
(published in the New York Genealogical and Biographical Record in 1953,
vol. 84, pg. 3). Mrs. Spell identified Jannetie Jeuriaens' husband, Willem
Willemse, as the son of Willem Jansz van Borculo and Cornelia van Salee. In
addition to their three children that I noted in my post to SCOL, Mrs. Spell
identified a fourth child named Jan, who was baptized in Brooklyn on 4 May
1695 (sponsors: Claes Tomussen Van Dyck and Marritje Andriessen). Little
Jan's descendants would have assumed either Willemsz / Williams or Borculo
(Barkalow) as their surname.
Assuming that three of Harmentje's sons survived to adulthood (Jan, bpt.
1667; Hendrick, bpt. 1673; and Jeuriaens, bpt. 1677), these sons probably
used the patronym Jeuriaens. Their sons, in turn, might have retained this
patronym, or they might have assumed their patronyms (Janszen, Hendricksen,
and Jeuriaens).
Susan
Dear Susan,
Thank you for the information. I seem to have have reached a "stop" sign as
to William Sutphin's parents or when his ancestors entered the country. Do
you have any ideas for me to pursue?
Thanks,
julia
Feedback--Susan has done a masterful job in her research. Hours and hours
of digging through manuscripts and records . Am anxiously awaiting her
next project! joanCana, VA. (Carroll Co.) resident Polly Farmer was the recipient of the dog
tags of her nephew, Joseph "Bruce" Bowman. Bruce was reported killed in
action Feb. 8, 1968.
The tag had been returned to Rep. Bob Goodlatte, who presented the tags and
a folded American flag to the Farmers.
It notes 2nd Lt.Bowman's tags is about one of forty which have been
returned.
The website is
Hi, Cousins,
I just read the article "Reconstructing the Ancestry of Dirck Janse Van
Sutphen" by Susan Amicucci. She put a new spin on his ancestry and
showed where deBoer and Honeywell fell short in their conclusions.
I think it is a brilliant piece of research, but I'd like to see some feedback
from wiser heads than mine.
What say you???
Lyn
Have been out of touch for 7 weeks. Came home from vacation and found
my HD gone. Just got back on line. I gather there was a request for
lineage? Here's mine in any case-perhaps someone can help me get
further back than my gggrandfather.
Bill Smith
Marjorie E. Sutfin m
Harry A. Sutfin gf
William T. Sutringgf
Abraham Sutfingggf
Bill SmithCousin Randy, is this your French Sutphin? I know his father wasn't Eugene,
but the only French Sutphin I know of.
Anyone else know a French Sutphin?
Mary Anne
Hi, Mary Anne!
This is MY French Edward Sutphin. He is my mom's paternal uncle. My mom is
still in touch with at least one of her cousins listed. I'll ask her if she
has their current addresses. If I remember correctly, they all live out
west now - in Washington State perhaps. I'll send you more as I find things
out.
By the way, should I write to the person who sent you the email originally
to let them know that someone is on the case??
Cheers!
Ann Rotolante
Sure you do. :-) Milton Vanard Sutphin and Lucinda Reynolds had a son
JaHiley, usually listed as James Highley Sutphin and called Highley, had
a son French Sutphin. French a nephew of Lafayette Thurman Sutphin.
Mary Anne
Hi Ann. Sorry, I forgot your French. I am not as familiar with your line
as I am Van Sutphin's. I need to stop depending on memory, don't I?
Yes, please drop the lady a line to let her know she has made contact
with the right family.
Mary Anne
Mary Anne, I recieved an email from Bev concerning French Edward Sutphin. I
sent her the info from Sutphin Cousins Too which says that Eugene Benton
Sutphin was his father. It also list Frenchs children but then list his
brother Preston with the same wife's name and same children. Do you know
why? Kenneth Edward SutphinI will let Lois answer that question, Ann sent Lois the information and
apparently it was added in the wrong family. Easy to do if you do not make
the connections.
Lois lives NE. Not easy to keep everything straight if you do not know the
family and the connections. She put a lot of material together,
understandable there are mistakes.
Mary Anne
I talked with Dixie this weekend. I called her to report on a Pack
family reunion. Our (the ancestor of bother Dixie I) William
Tolbert married Sarah Pack. And their daughter Nancy Tolbert
married Merrit Pack (my ggrandparents). Dixie's from Nancy's brother
Sherman.
ANYWAY... Dixie has received an entire ream of information about
Allen Tolbert from a North Carolina source. She said that she was
still sorting through it all and making some sense of it but that
when she got it organized a bit she would get back on line and
report to all.
She was so exited about the information. It came from a friend, of
a friend, of a friend. I find it so interesting that the info comes
(at least for me) in spurts. Just fast enough for me to organize it
and take a breath. This information will keep Dixie (and the rest
of us Tolberts) breathless for sometime.
BrendaLooking for ATKINSON in Ohio Co WV and Washington Co PA, FIFE in Allegheny
and Washington Co PA, KIMMINS (or KIMMONS) in Ohio and Marshall Co WV and
Washington Co PA, SKILES in Washington Co PA, TOLBERT in Carroll Co VA and
Raleigh and Fayette Co WV, WEBB in Carroll Co VA, McDAID in Washington Co PA
and Marshall Co WV, WOLFE in Greene Co and Washington Co PA, FARIS in Ohio Co
WV and Delaware Co OH, McCONNELL in Allegheny Co PA, MORROW in Allegheny Co
PA, SUPLER in Washington Co and Greene Co PA, and way too many associated
families to list!
That IS good news for the Tolbert hunters. This family has really made
strides lately, after years of no information. I look forward to hearing
more. No close Tolbert links, other then Eleanor Sutphin Tolbert, but what a
chase this family has given me over the years.
Mary Anne
Julia,
There may be some sort of relationship to be found, but we should probably
expect more research to be done. In the case of the above family, the Van
Sutphen was the maternal name, so these children were not born with the name
"Sutphen." Their father's name was Jeuriaens Janszen Van Aurick. Even so,
it's possible that there may relevance to be found here, as we see the name
Hendrick.
The mother in the above family, Harmentje Jans Van Sutphen, had two
brothers, Dirck and Hendrick. Dirck's line is well known, and has received a
lot of attention. The brother, Hendrick, remains unknown; one avenue of
research would be to find out what became of him.
I think it's much more interesting to have more possibilities, instead of
the the apparent brick wall that's been there for years.
SteveSteve,
Would you be able to post a recap of what is currently known about Hendrick
and William of VA on the SCOL list? I have seen bits of information in the
archives, but maybe in light of the information we now have about Dirck's
siblings, it would be helpful to have some sort of summary in one post.
SusanMontgomery/Floyd and Grayson/Carroll Counties in the early
1800's. He is first listed in 1810 Montgomery County Census,
having moved from Bedford County where we find him in 1800.
Tradition tells us he and his assumed brother, William Sutphin,
Owned the land called "Sutphin Cove," on the Elbert "Eb" Bolt place,
Now owned by Trecie Bolt, located on 603.
There are still rocks from the old chimney to be found there.
In August of 1814, Hendrick bought 134 acres of land in
Grayson/Carroll County from Israel Thompson, the land is now
Known as the Tate Goad farm.
Hendrick Sutphin b 1768/70 NJ, d 12 Feb 1857 Burks Fork area of Carroll
Co Va. M.1, Bedford Va 20 Dec 1788 to Rachel Owen, d/o Owen and Mary
Owen. No last name known for Mary. Rachel 1772-1845. Both buried in cemetery
on Homeplace, now called Tate Goad farm.
Hendrick Sutphin married the second wife, Elizabeth Thompson,
In Surry County NC. 1 November 1846. Elizabeth was the widow of
Jeremiah Thompson who is buried James Bolt Cemetery, now known as
Kyle Bolt Cemetery.
- essay by Mary Anne Sutphin
The following is from a post by Lois Johnsten:
Parents of William and Hendrick Sutphin:
Father: Lois Johnsten thinks father might be William in 1800 Bedford Co,VA
tax list who is richer than Solomon and Hendrick of same list. William has
3 males over age 16, 4 horses, 2 cattle. This could be Wm, Sr, Wm, Jr, and
James or Christopher; or it could be Wm, Sr, James and Christopher. All
guesses without any records showing either way.
Solomon has 2 males, 4 horses;
Hendrick has 1 male, 1horse in 1800 tax list.
Solomon older than
Hendrick as has 2 males? One male with Solomon his brother, or his son? One
marked grave in Turman Cemetery, Carroll Co,VA, where Wm and Alcey are
believed to be buried, shows a Wm Sutphin died May 1860. This second
William adds to why Lois thinks there might be two Williams under the Wm
Sutphin of the 1800 tax list.
Mary Anne and others do not agree with this guess as they think
the listed William is the William, Sr, who wed Alcey.
They could well be right.
Any suggested sources for research will be gratefully accepted. When we
answer this question we will be on the road to finding the connection to the
New Jersey Sutphens.
Mother, Alcey: No records have appeared suggesting any information about
her.
Children:
1) William, Sr married 1792 Alcey ??; born 20 Dec 1761 New Jersey, died
1831; last of his land sold in 1842.
2)Solomon B [only found in 1800 Bedford Co,VA tax list. No other record for
him has been found. Where did he go?
Where did he come from? We wish we knew. ]
3)Hendrick married 1788 Rachel Owen. 1850 VA census lists Hendrick born New
Jersey abt 1768.
- the above from Lois Johnsten
Passing it along - SteveSteve: What a wonderful and concise posting as to where we stand on the
parents of Hendrick and William, Sr, Sutphin. Thank you. I forget we have
new SCOL members who do not know the theories we keep testing in our
research, and where we are stuck. I must say you have made only one error--
Mary Anne Sutphin has done the research, and Lois Johnsten has the
information in her database. Without Mary Anne the Virginia Sutphin
branches would still be out there in "fog land".
Will you please make an addition to my information? Please add that the
1850 Virginia census for Hendrick Sutphin gives his birthplace as New
Jersey. That is the only record tieing the southern Sutphins with the
northern Sutphins--making us all one family on SCOL. That 1850 census is
why we have looked for the missing records of how William and Hendrick got
to Virginia.
This would be a good time to review what has been found.
Mary Anne: Will you please repost your theory as to the connection
between Hendrick & William and the Northern Virginia Sutphins? I think at
one time you thought the Northern Virginia branch might descend from the New
Jersey travelers, whereas the parents of Hendrick and William, or Hendrick
and William themselves, continued to travel. You can explain this better
than I.
Steve: Thank you, again, for your clear explination of our family
history. :))
Lois Johnsten in Nebraska "mailto:johnsten@micrord.com"No, the travelers wasn't my theory. I threw all my theories out the window
some
time ago. Jim Ball has the best theory to date. If we could prove the
connections
to all he has found, we could claim kinship to a number of Sut* families.
My belief Hendrick is connected to the NOVA Sutphins come from "The Letter
From Jenny." Which states "Uncle Henry went South and never heard from
again."
Which should make him a brother to James Sutphin and the Sutphins who were
in Fqr.
Co. VA. in early years. The letter which should be in SCOL Archives, names
but a few
uncles, no sisters, which is odd. It does name a Barnett Sutphin, who is
probably Solomon
B. Sutphin of the Bedford census.
I received the letter from John William Sutphin Davis, a grandson of Dr.
John W. and
Martha Singleton Sutphin.
I am putting Sutphin research "on the back burner," not that I will not be
happy to learn
of new theories or evidence, and I will continue to share anything I may
find. I will also be
there to agree or disagree. ;-)
I am going to let the younger folk take it from here. John Perry Alderman
made a statement
in his book on the Grayson Census, which he had hoped to annotate as he did
the Carroll Co.
1850 census. "Then realized that there are not enough years in one's
lifetime to do all the
things we would like to and that choices must therefore be made."
Regards to all,
Mary Anne
I did not add, the uncles Jenny was speaking of could have been her uncles,
or uncles of her father. She was young when James died and would not too
many childhood memories.
This letter also explained who Powhatan and Pocahontas Sutphin were, and
blew someone's theory of the American Indian background.
Mary Anne
Hi:
I would very much like to join in on this, however, its way over my
head. I really could not contribute anything of value but I do think that
this is where the "Johnson" surname theory came into effect. I have been
looking at these most recent posts with a great deal of interest and hope
you all will continue with this, and please post to the list so we can all
see what you have found.
Thanks,
Ina S.Lois,
Thanks for setting the record straight. I, for one, want to thank Mary Anne
for her research, and for sharing so much information with so many.
I also want to thank Lois Johnsten for referencing the research, and the
documents, in many of her postings to this list.
We have more to do on our little summary. Will someone please post
information about William Sutphin, Alcey, their marriage, and their
children?
SteveSusan,
I hope this will be more than one post, with others adding information. Lois
Johnsten has done lots of research, and Mary Anne Sutphin has a great
quantity of information. I happen to have an essay here, so let's start with
that.
This is by Mary Anne Sutphin, and she probably has an update or two:
Hendrick Sutphin, one of two settlers of the name to come to
Gary Sutphin is the one with all the records. I just happen to have this
much typed out getting it together for a cousin in VA., for his son who has
to do a family tree for school.
Unfortunatly I was unable to read Gary's message he posted a couple of days
ago due to a virus. Hopefully Gary will get the problem fixed soon and back
up on line. I got this from Gary and he has pages of records.
As Ever,
Sharon Dressel
FIRST GENERATION
William Sutphin (Sr.) was born on 20 Dec. 1761 in New Jersey. He appeared on
the census in 1810 in Bedford Co., VA> He appeared on the census in 1820. He
appeared on the census in 1820. He died about 1830. He was buried in Carroll
Co. VA.
Alcey\ Ailsy UNKNOWN was born. Children of William Sutphin (Sr.) and Alcey\
Ailsy UNKNOWN were:
I Rachel SUTPHIN
II William SUTPHIN (Jr.)
III Katherine/Kitty/Kettura SUTPHIN
IV Harriet (Hety) SUTPHIN
V Christopter SUTPHIN
VI Eleanor\Ellender SUTPHIN
VII Elijah SUTPHIN
VIII Hendrick SUTPHIN
IX John SUTPHIN
X Hanna M. SUTPHIN
XI Wiley SUTPHIN
Hi:
I was just looking over some information which was shared with me
some time back by Dick Sutfin, and I'm not sure if he is still on SCOL or
not, but, in this letter is mentioned a book titled " The Early Germans of
N.J." by Chambers--pub 1895. Also mentioned is a L.Douglas Sutphen of North
Branch NJ who was doing some work on the Sut ancestry. The letter was
written in 1948-49 but a cousin of Dick's who would also be a cousin to my
hubby.
I do not have access to a large library so have no idea what is
contained in the Chambers book, but its possible this could be helpful
information. Also if anyone knows of this L.Douglas Sutphen or of his work,
there could perhaps be something there as well.
Hope this might offer some clues.
Ina S.Dear SCOLers, Earlier today I sent this message to Steve Deal, and he has
asked me to post my findings to the SCOL list for all of you who are
interested in connecting the Virginia Sutphens to their New Jersey
origins. Here are the findings:
Dear Steve, Susan Amicucci shared with me the message in which you listed
the children of both William Sutphen (born 1761) and his presumed brother,
Hendrick Sutphen (born 1768).
I consulted the three-volume work by Nettie Schreiner-Yentis published in
1987, "The 1787 Census of Virginia". The book is actually made up of
personal property tax lists, not a "census" per se.
In 1787 Hendrick Sutphen would have been about 19 years old, and William
(his presumed older brother) would have been about 26.
The LINK *may have been* the Christopher Sutfin who was taxed in 1787 in
Loudoun County, VA (in the northern part of the state bordering the
Potomac River). Christopher's "count" was 10033. This means that he had
one male living in his household who was above 16 years old and under 21.
Christopher owned no slaves, and he was taxed on his three horses and
three cows.
Hendrick Sutfin (born 1768) could be the young man (age 19) living in his
father's household.
William Stutfin, on the other hand, is taxed in Bedford County, VA (in the
southern part of the state just north of Pittsylvania County). If this is
our 26-year-old William, he, too, could be the son of Christopher Sutfin
of Loudoun County, but he has set out for himself and moved on south to
Bedford County. William's "count" is 02164. This translates to mean that
there were no sons 16 or older in his household. He owned 2 slaves over
16 years of age and 1 slave under 16 years of age. William in 1787 had 6
horses and 4 cows. He would not have been married for very long, and all
of his children already born in 1787 would be still young.
I note that both William and Hendrick named a son "Christopher". I also
note that each named a son "John" and a daughter "Katherine".
I suggest that the Christopher Sutfin of Loudoun County, VA, in 1787 could
have been the "Christoffer" baptized in the Freehold Dutch Reformed Church
in Monmouth County, New Jersey, on 17 June 1739, the son of "Jan Zutveen,
Junior" and "Cathrina Langstraat" [Longstreet].
In 1787 Christopher Sutfin would have been about 48 years old -- old
enough to have a 26-year-old son.
You may know that "Stoffel" is the Dutch nickname for "Christopher". The
immigrant ancestor in the Longstreet line was Dirck Stoffelszen
Langestraat. The Christopher Sutfin baptized in 1739 was named for his
maternal grandfather, Stoffel Dirckszen Longstreet.
This may not be the link you have been searching for. However, the
places, the dates, and the naming patterns suggest a good possibility :-).
After I had sent this message, I found another strong clue to bolster the
theory:
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:51:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dorothy Koenig <"mailto:dkoenig@library.berkeley.edu">
To: "mailto:wwwizard@EARTHLINK.NET"
Cc: "mailto:amicucci@email.msn.com"
Subject: One guess confirmed!!!
Dear Steve and Susan, In volume 3 of "Loudoun County, Virginia, Tithables
1758-1786" published in 1995 by Marty HIatt and Craig Roberts Scott, on
page 1370 a tax list taken by a Mr. Davis in 1785 is given.
The 3 tithable individuals in the household were
Christopher Sutphin (as householder)
{He]ndrick Sutphin (as over 16) -- the left edge of the page is torn
Nancy (as a black woman)
I read this is father, 17-year-old son, and one slave.
The white women and girls in any household were not listed as they were
not tithable.
So it was Hendrick living in Christopher's household! Alleluia!
DorothyHi, "Cousins." All this information is so interesting and I look forward to
seeing postings each day! Mary Anne and Lois have been a great help to me in
researching my line. In one posting you mentioned Tate Goad's property and
the cemetery, which is one of the best looking cemeteries that I have seen.
So well kept. Tate Goad is my great uncle, the brother of my grandmother
Dora Goad married to David C. Newman in Dugspur, Va.
Thanks again for all the information. Wish I had something to contribute.
Sylvia Newman MaloneDorothy, and all SCOLers,
This 1785 list, from Loudon Co., VA, definitely connects Hendrick, b. 1768,
to Christopher!
In New Jersey, the Christopher we know of was baptized 10 June 1739 at
Marlboro, in Monmouth Co., NJ. His parents were Jan/John Sutphen and
Catherine Longstreet, also called Catryntie Langstraet in Dutch Reformed
Church records.
We may be able to find that Christopher moved from Marlboro, and learn more
about his wife and children. There are more pieces to the puzzle, but so
far, Hendrick and William fit perfectly.
Thanks, Dorothy!
SteveLet's not go off the deep end. This information has been posted to
SCOL several times in the past with nary a nibble, which frankly
has been rather frustrating to me. It does not "definitely" connect,
yet Dorothy has stated some of what I've always considered the
obvious. There's a lot more to it though.
Background: There was a Christopher Jr. and Sr., a William, a
Hendrick, and a John Sutphin in Loudoun Co. VA. in the 1780s.
Christopher Jr. and John are pretty well established as sons of
Christopher Sr. and the three of them left Loudoun and moved into
Fauquier in 1795. Senior paid Junior's tax in 1800 in Fauquier for
the first known instance. Christopher Jr. married Sarah Pendleton
in 1805 in Fauquier and moved on. John remained in Fauquier and
raised his family. There is no record of Christopher Sr in Fauquier
after 1800 and it is presumed he moved on as there is no probate
record for him. All this is established information, based upon tax
records.
William and Hendrick of Loudoun, it can be surmised, are either
sons or brothers of Christopher Sr. There seems no actual proof
other than their presence in Cameron Parish, Loudoun County, VA.
Recap of known tax data:
In Loudoun we have the following individuals present on the
tithables list:
SUTPHIN, Christopher 80c, 84c-85c
SUTPHIN, Hendrick 85c (originally compiled as "Fredrick", in
error)
SUTPHIN, William 80c
The 'c' stands for Cameron Parish. The numerals indicate the years
for which the records are extant. Unfortunately, there are gaps and
even whole years of data missing.
To add to the above data, Christopher Sutphin is listed as a slave
holder in 1785. He had a single black slave named "Jane". (Not
"Mary")
Re: "Index to the Tithables of Loudoun County, Virginia and to
Slave Holders and Slaves 1758-1786"; Compiled and edited by
Margaret Lail Hopkins; Genealogical Publishing Co.; Baltimore
(1991).
In addition to the above, Christopher Sutphin is listed in the 1787
Tithables, List 'C', for Loudoun County (ie. Reconstructed Federal
Census):
Christopher Sutphin self 1 0 0 3 3
This indicates that Christopher Sutphin is over age 21, is
responsable for payment of the tax, has a white male over 16 and
under 21 years of age in the household (in addition to himself), has
three horses, and three head of cattle. No slaves present.
Hendrick and William Sutphin are not listed in the 1787 tithables
for Loudoun or Fauquier. It would seem that they had moved on.
Actual census data indicates John was born in the 1770-75 period.
That indicates that it was John who was the tithe in Christopher's
household in 1787.
John married in the 1790-94 period as deduced through census
information. He was definitely married when he entered Fauquier
ca. 1795. He had eleven children, only daughters being positively
identified through marriage information. It is difficult to identify the
sons as they seemed to have moved from Fauquier due to some
land dealings in the second quarter of the 1800s. Some went south
into Culpeper while others seemed to go north back to Loudoun
and even into Maryland. Descendents are profuse with the names
of William, Thomas, Henry, John, and James. There's even a
Barnett (who I believe is a son of John).
Just where and when Christopher Sutphin settled in Loudoun is
conjecture. Cameron Parish covered the eastern half of Loudoun -
Goose Creek to the east, the Potomac to the north and Fauquier to
the south. He was in the area as early as 1774 when he witnessed
a deed filed in Fauquier. I suspect he actually lived near, or south,
of Leesburg in Loudoun. (No connection with the deed principals
has been identified - probably was just a local witness).
Now, here's one you may not be ready for:
There was a William Sutfin who married a Rachel Owin on 21 Jun
1783 in Fredrick MD. This would be the nearest "big" town to where
these Sutphins seemed to have been established in Loudoun.
Fredrick sits in the middle of the Maryland panhandle, about
midway between Leesburg in Loudoun Co. VA and Gettysburg,
PA. Near Gettysburg is the Conewago Settlement of the Lower
Dutch. Loudoun of course had a sizable Dutch community as well.
Conewago may, or maynot be revalent.
There's no further record of a William Sutphin in Northern VA, or
environs, past this 1783. The supposition is that he went to SW
VA, followed by Hendrick.
It is amazing that Hendrick Sutphen in 1790 in Bedford Co. married
a Rachel Owen. The Owen/Owin family of northern Loudoun Co.
seems to be the same family as present in SW VA. The two
Rachels may have been cousins.
With all this then, if William is the same William who was in
Loudoun, then "Ailcey", was his second wife. Isn't it interesting that
William had a daughter named Rachel? To my knowledge, no one
has ever persued this aspect. Everyone seems to accept "Ailcey"
a the one and only wife. Maybe, maybe not.
The theory is that Christopher Sr was the son of Jan Sutphen
(Honeyman #014) and Katrinke Longstreet (various spellings) of
Monmouth NJ. If so, Christopher was b. abt 1739. From their ages,
it would seem Hendrick, William, Christopher Jr., and John were all
brothers.
Aside from what I've addressed, there are no revalent marriage or
probate records found in Loudoun, or in MD. The key seems to be
NJ (or PA) where John Sutphin likely married (I don't even know his
wife's name, though it may be Mary).
Happy hunting...
Jim Ball
"mailto:jdball@raex.com"
Please visit "The Ball Family of Carter's Run"
"http://web.raex.com/~jdball"Been following the postings lately........................ Sooooooooo much
excitement. To those who have done the " Leg Work ", keep up the GREAT work.
Looking forward to more great info and discussions.
Cousin Randy
Jim,
Perhaps, but having it put together so that it makes logical sense helps. I
certainly didn't recall anyone having placed Hendrick with Christopher, and
pointing out what their respective ages were at the time.
Dorothy has written a short essay, built around a small number of relevant
facts and figures. Anyone reading it can see how one fact relates to
another, and it tells a story.
As I recall, you once wanted to wager that Christopher was Hendrick's
father; perhaps now is the time to check to see whether anyone took you up
on that bet.
Best regards,
SteveCheers Jim!
Mary AnneJim,
Christopher Sutphen of NJ was baptized 10 June 1739, Marlboro, Monmouth Co.,
NJ. He does not appear to have remained there as an adult; I don't know how
difficult it will be, but his next locations need to be found. He is of the
correct age to be the father of William Sr., and of Hendrick.
SteveJim,
Do you know when Christopher Jr. and John were born?
What were the names of their children?
Thanks,
SteveWow ... this is great information. THANK YOU to all who are able to
contribute.
julia
Just got this announcement as newsletter editor for our local genealogical
society. Does anyone know anything about this? I do not belong to the
Nat'l Gen Soc, so this is news to me. Does this mean their books will be
available at the Public Library in Salt Lake City, and at the County Library
in St Louis, MO? I stopped researching through the Nat'l Gen Soc because
renting their books got too expensive, but that was many years ago. Would
like to know how they work now, or how they will work after the changes in
October. The Nat'l Gen Soc books on loan and the Shawnee Library books on
loan were my main sources 20 years ago, and I have often wanted to see some
of those books again as I got new information; just couldn't afford the
membership and book loan fees.
Lois in Nebraska "mailto:johnsten@micrord.com"
NGS ANNOUNCES LIBRARY WILL MOVE TO ST. LOUIS
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>From a prepared statement by the National Genealogical Society:
NGS has established a strategic partnership with the St. Louis County
Library in St. Louis, Missouri. The bulk of the circulating collection of
library books will be moved to St. Louis in October.
The NGS Library Collection will be maintained at the SLCL as a special
collection and will be available for onsite use by NGS members and others.
The St. Louis County Library will make the NGS books available for loan
through standard interlibrary loan channels.
The NGS Research Services will be reorganized at the Glebe House site.
Members should expect continuing announcements of new programs and services.SCOLers all,
According to a tax list by Kenn Stryker Rodda, for the years 1778 to 1780,
Christopher Sutphen was not listed in New Jersey.
I call that good news, since the one born in NJ could have been in Virginia
before, and during, that time.
:-) SteveThere is a Van Doren Bible listed on this found site.
Mary Anne
Carl:
I am curious about your Eldred line. My great grandmother was an
Eldred. Also my Grams said that we related to Bower's/Bauer's but, I
thought through the Schoonover line. Do you know anything about this?
Ina S.On 5 Sep 2001, at 19:54, Steve Deal wrote:
> > This information has been posted to
> > SCOL several times in the past
>
> Perhaps, but having it put together so that it makes logical sense helps. I
> certainly didn't recall anyone having placed Hendrick with Christopher, and
> pointing out what their respective ages were at the time.
>
Steve, this was first placed on SCOL by me in May 1996 and
augumented and updated over time. It has always been logical. As
to ages, there is absolutely nothing to indicate this, other than the
minimal age of a white male tithe is 16 years.
> Dorothy has written a short essay, built around a small number of relevant
> facts and figures. Anyone reading it can see how one fact relates to
> another, and it tells a story.
Margaret Hopkins author of the reference I cited earlier and placed
on SCOL in 1996 explained the compiling process in Loudoun. It
involved 1279 handwritten pages which had to be numbered and
arranged cronologically. Much of these are mutilated and very open
to intrepretation by the compiler. The slave schedule of slave
holders is totally separate from the tithes.
These records have been assembled and published more than
once, each being different and all missing individuals who were
exempt as declared by the county court. There is no indication in
any of these compilations as to whether an individual resided in the
household of another, or his tithe being paid by another. Generally
speaking, when an individual is named, he is responsible for paying
his own tax.
What Dorothy cited is a format presented by one compiler, quite
different in form from that publish by Ms Hopkins. Dorothy has
concluded one thing and I don't totally disagree - except that this
Hendrick could be a son, a nephew, a cousin, a brother, or could
even be in another town.
If records were complete for all years, only then might it be
possible to judge Hendrick's age based upon commencement of
the tax. Unfortunately that's not so.
While I believe Hendrick is Christopher's son, you need at least
another degree of association for there to be any merit to a proof of
parentage. Being in the same county just isn't enough.
At least with John, it is apparent that he and Christopher entered
Fauquier at the same time. They both began paying taxes in 1795
and both resided in the NE taxing district of Fauquier (ie. Leeds
Manor). Fauquier's tax records fortunately are very complete.
In 1796, Christopher Sr paid the tax for Christopher Jr. and
continued to do so through 1800. This without question places
Junior's birth year at around 1780.
John's life in Fauquier was during the tabular census years, so the
best I can come up with as to his birth year is 1770-1775. He had
11 children, not all identified. The reason they are not identified is
missing probate and estate records. John lived within the Fairfax
family's leasehold known as the "Free State" in Fauquier. Chief
Justice John Marshal and his brother James purchased these
leases from the Fairfax family and the result was massive land
movement and removals in Fauquier. John seems to possibly have
been caught in this. Some missing papers have been recently
located and catalogued and others may be included in the estate
papers of James Marshall. This is why I haven't been able to
establish absolute identities. The sons mostly removed to
Culpeper. They are in my database but connected to allied families
of mine. I'm reluctant to attach them to John without more proof.
In fact this has been my concern all along. There are people on this
list who have Hendrick and William as sons of Christopher and he
in turn the son of Jan. There is absolutely and positively no proof.
Period! All conjecture.
The boundries have been presented. Christopher was apparently in
Loudoun during the Revolutionary period. He probably came from
NJ, possibly by way of PA. Known Loudoun records have been
exhausted and there are no pertinant records in Fauquier. There
are no Sutphins mentioned in the Loudoun militia papers, yet it
would have been unusual not to have served in some capacity in
that area. He possibly could have been associated with the nearby
Fairfax or Prince William militias. Not likely he was in the Fauquier
militia which was centered much further to the south and was
ultimately merged with the Culpeper militia. No records located that
he was with Continental (Federal) forces either.
> As I recall, you once wanted to wager that Christopher was Hendrick's
> father; perhaps now is the time to check to see whether anyone took you up
> on that bet.
While I am optimistic that something new will turn up, I have my
doubts it will be people on this list. In 5 years, I've seen nothing
new contributed, yet I've received some very snide and negative
comments back. I won't hold my breadth.
Jim Ball
> In 1796, Christopher Sr paid the tax for Christopher Jr. and
> continued to do so through 1800. This without question places
> Junior's birth year at around 1780.
Jim,
Could it be that Christopher Jr. was in Scott Co., VA in 1820? According to
census, a Christopher Sutphen was there:
He was in the age category 26 - 45, and would have been b. 1775-1794.
With him in 1820 were:
3 white males 0-10
1 white male 10-16
2 white females 0-10
1 white female 10-16
1 white female over 45 (born before 1775)
Steve> There are people on this
> list who have Hendrick and William as sons of Christopher and he
> in turn the son of Jan.
Jim,
This time, even in the midst of some backpedaling, what you say convinces me
of a few things. With what is known, we can consider the probabilities. Some
of the information you have stated is relevant in this regard, since every
time a name, a date, or a location fits, the probability of a valid
interpretation is increased. Even at this point, the probability that
Christopher was Hendrick's father is very high, because so many things point
in that direction. This helps some of us, since it provides a way to focus
our research.
The more you know, the bigger the gap between your level of knowledge and
the rest of us. Sometimes, it's difficult to bridge that gap; this time, you
have done that.
Best regards,
Steve>The moral is to keep this stuff in mind, and the farther back you go,
>the more you have to keep it in mind and look for it. It's not an
>isolated thing; I could give many more examples than just the ones
>above. Once you can ge