Re: Stockdale in China?
Believe me, my surprise is just as big as yours. I must have had this message on genforum for at least 6 months withoutany reaction. In my opinion we are talking about the same family crest and motto. My silver beaker (Chinese Export Silver) came from a dealer in San Francisco so I gathered that the family crest might also belong to an American family. I checked with a museum site in Pensylvania specialized in CES but I never got a reply. And since the beaker is very nicely decorated and very typical of CES, I figured that it could have belonged to an American family in China or someone with connections to China. You can imagine my surprise when you sent me your message.
I believe that my beaker is slightly older than the chafing dishes you mention. I think that it dates from between 1850 and 1870. The eagle in the crest has a somewhat more aggressive stance than the "cute" eagle on the chafing dish.
What is not completely clear toe me is your connection with this crest. Is it your family crest? According to an American site specialized in family mottos, "His Vicimus Armis", belongs to the "Stockdale" family. But I get the impression that this has put me on the wrong track and that this particular crest does in fact not belong to the "Stockdale" family at all. I would appreciate your views on this. Best regards, Ton