Thanks for your information. My grandmother’s mother was Martha Agnew, whose parents were James Agnew and Mary Jane Greer. Below is the correspondence I had with Alex and Louise after noting their contact details on GenForum.
The most recent information I have on them is from their NZ Burial records;
James Agnew Burial record;ID Number 1586 Year 1887microfich 1586; Church affiliation; Presbyterian, Scotland Cemetery record; James Agnew 51 Shortland Cemetery Thames D01.31
Mary Jane Greer/Grier; Burial record, ID Number 2853 Year 1900 Cemetery record: AGNEW Mary Jane 65 Shortland Cemetary, Thames
Alex recommends the site www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk which has scanned images of the original documents available to view and download very cheaply, although I haven’t done that. I’d love to know any other detail you might come up with!
----------------------------------------------------------- Family Genealogy Forum Re: agnews in New Zealand Posted by: Hazel Gibala (ID *****6120) Date: October 15, 2010 at 12:00:13 In Reply to: Re: agnews in New Zealand by Patricia Wilcoxof 1440
MESSAGE TO PATRICIA WILCOX; CAN YOU ENLIGHTEN ME AS TO HOW YOU GAINED INFORMATION FROM ALEX DOW AND LOUISE GUIDI? JAMES AND MARY JANE GREER (KNOWN AS JANE) ARE OUR GRANDFATHER'S PARENTS. MY SISTER HAS BEEN RESEARCHING. NEED INFO ABOUT JAME'S PARENTS. WILLIAM AGNEW MARRIED MARTHA McNEIL IN IRELAND. THANKS SO MUCH. ...........................................................Louise Guidi
I had a look at the Old Parish Records for your Family. As it was not law to register BMD's until 1855 I could only check the ones that were.
I found two POSSIBLES going by the year of birth you gave, both in the County Of Wigtown.
1. James Agnew b.7th July 1836 Kirkcolm,Wigtown to Andrew and Jean?Jane Agnew - no maiden listed for Jean ?? also Agnew. Andrew and Jean m. 30th March 1823 same location. This couple had at least another 7 children :- Helen b.1826,Andrew b.1828,Elizabeth b.1830, Niven b.1831,Robert b.1833,(James),Mary b.1838 and William b. 1839.
2. Mary Grier/Greer b. 14th August 1836 Stoneykirk,Wigtown to Alexander Grier and Ann Moore m. 31st May 1932 same location. Other Children :- Janet b. 1832,Grace b. 1834(Mary) and Ann b. 1840.
I can't find a marriage for this couple, so it is a big IF, but they were the only ones listed with those names in those years. The ship they travelled in would be the best idea to clarify things. very best wishes Louise in Ayrshire
................................... Re: James Agnew to NZ Posted by: Alex Dow (ID *****6925) Date: October 03, 2010 at 02:29:52 In Reply to: James Agnew to NZ by Patricia Wilcoxof 61498
If you go to the LDS Family Search site, you may or may NOT find clues-
1836 falls in to the OPR (Old Parish Records) era, 1555 to 1854, many Births (actually Baptisms) and Marriages (actually Banns) and most Deaths (Renting of the Mortcloth were not recorded at all; or they have disappeared in the intervening years.
Family Naming patterns etc may help in identifying from those records that show up on the LDS FS site.
You should then confirm these on Scotland's People, run on behalf of the Registrar General of Scotland-
This site has Scanned IMAGEs of the Original Documents available to VIEW and Download to your PC, very cheaply.
You should also look in the 1841, 1851 and subject to their migrations, later Censuses on this site.
The Censuses are non-denominational and probably record about 99% of the persons in Scotland at the respective times.
There are 12 "James Agnew" records in the 1841 Census aged 0 to 10; and 2 for "Mary Greer" - all on "Exact spelling".
Unfortunately with the MG records, none fit closely to an 1836 Birth.
However there is one JA that does. So that one looks worth VIEWing the details, to get the names of the parents and any siblings.
Follow anything about either persons through to the 1851 Census etc - remembering to allow the extra 10 years on ages.
The early Censuses were recorded at distinctly different dates in each year, so allow at least plus and minus 2 years on the apparent age.
In the 1881 Census, the name AGNEW is concentrated down in Wigtownshire with some spill-over to immediately adjacent ones, down in the south-west of Scotland.
GREER is mainly Renfrewshire, spilling out to the south-west also, so suggesting that the couple come from that greater area - but ca' canny, as at times such statistical analysis can be misleading.
Basically you need to harden up on information available in New Zealand and Australia, digging deep, before you are likely to make positive identifications in Scotland.
The Cemetery fiche is unlikely to have the sort of useful information, except perhaps, who made the arrangements (corresponding to the Informant on Birth and Death records).
The Baptist Church is generally very good on record-keeping, so if you can identify the likely area and contact the local Baptist Church, you might get information not otherwise available.
You should try to find their Marriage and Death records in New Zealand, as these are likely to have much of the additional detail you are looking for, eg their respective parents names etc.
It may be that you have to check correspondingly in the Tasmanian & NSW records.