Re: Allen Family Mystery!!
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Allen Family Mystery!!
Donna Carter 4/07/06
Hi Donna, I tried to post you a response, but guess I didn't hit the right button - will try again....
You probably have all this info, but will put it here just in case it will help someone else, too.
Latter Day Saints free web site - 1880 US Census = LDS/Family Search as below:
LDS 1880 US Census:
Newton Carrell b. 1828 TN age 52 farmer parents b. SC
location: Precinct 6, Dallas, TX
same census:
Newton Carrol
b. 1868 TN age 12 father William Carrol
location: Dist 14, Lawrence, TN
This young boy may have been named after Capt Newton Carrell
or it may be a coincidence.
LDS/Family Search - general search:
Newton Addison Carrell
b. 30 May 1880 Hickory Twp, Caroll, AR d. 1976
father Matthew Lovelock Carrell
mother: Georgia Ann Williams
another entry for same Newton Carrell has him born
Old Hickory, Wyane, McClain Co, OK
another entry:
Newton Addison Carroll
b. 7 Mar 1828 TN
father Stephen Carrollb. 1787 GA d. Lawrence Co, TN
mother Anne Locke
Stephen and Anne were married April 1810 Rutherford County, TN
USGENWEB: state TN, County: Rutherford
"MARRIAGES"
Stephen Carroll+ Ann LockeMar. 31, 1810
Rutherford County, formerly included Davidson County, TN
http://www.tngenweb/civilwar/csaintf/csa48http://www.tngenweb/civilwar/csaintf/csa48.
Tennesseans in the Civil War CONFEDERATE
48th (Nixton's) TN Infantry Regiment
gives run down on this unit and includes info
on N.A. Carrell - lists as Capt.
USGENWEB, TEXAS, DALLAS COUNTY:
N.A. Carrell p. 906"History of Dallas County"
"Contents" , "Biographies" - might give some info you could use.
CAPT. NEWTON A. CARRELL
48th Regiment (Nixon's) TN INF CONFEDERATE
Company H - Formerly Company C - 54th Regiment
Interesting to note:
Civil War Soldiers and SailorsSystem web site:
CONFEDERATES:
Richard Allen, Co. I, Pvt - 48th (Nixton's) TN INF
Robert Allen""
Same unit as Capt N.A. Carrell
also in same unit:
Robert Pirtle
Nixon's Regiment, TN CAVPvt
LDS/Family Search 1880 US Census:
William Allen b. TN age 22 farmerparents b. TN
wife: C.V. Allen age 17b. TXfather b. IN, mother b. TN
location: Precinct 6, Dallas, TX
USGENWEB: TN, DAVIDSON COUNTY
1860 US CENSUS:
there is a William Allen age 4 and a William Allen age 2 listed.
Since the 1880 Census is usually off by one year OR MORE on birthdates - could be one of the above is your William
and living in Davidson County - you would have to figure out
by page number and household number who was the head of the house, but you might try Mat Allen p 272a age 49 born VA
and there are a couple of others.(I found it hard to navigate this1860 census)
LDS/Family Search1880 US Census:
Surname Pirtle - Davidson County, TN10 listed
Surname Pirtle - Hardeman County, TN83 listed
I would think that if William Pirtle Allen were named after his mother's side of the family - she may have been
from one of the above families.
There is no LOVE COUNTY, TN
BUT: There is LOWE, in Rutherford, TN according to the 1895 Atlas (web site free on internet)
Could it be that William P. Allen confused LOVE with LOWE?
LOWE would be the town - MIGHT BE WORHT LOOKING INTO.
Seen:Pirtle spelled Purtle and Pertle
1880 US Census:LDS/Family Search:
Robert Pirtle b. 1827 age 53 TN
parents b. VA - location: Hardeman, TN
William Pirtle b. 1849 TN - location Hardeman, TN
Robert C. Pirtle b. 1816 TN age 64 farmer parents b. NC
Location: Dist 5, Davidson, TN wife Caroline age 53 b. TN
3 dau, 5 sons listed ages 27 down to 7 years old
Other areas of TN --Pirtle:Smithville, DeKalb, TN
also Rutherford Co, TN - Pirtles b. 1848 living with
Uncle and Aunt - would appear parents deceased
Since Richard and Robert Allen were in the same unit
as Capt Carrell - perhaps they are kin to your William P Allen - older brothers or uncles - would be worth looking into.
In the past we have sent for papers for Civil War soldiers
- ancestors and kin of my husband and found them useful.
You might want to try that on Richard and Robert Allen to see if anything turns up.
Since William P. Allen was a lay preacher in the Methodist Church - they may have records in their archives
about him - Methodists were good at keeping records Church and minister records.
If he were Baptist - I am not sure of their records.
Most of my Baker ancestors on my mother's side were Methodist and we have lots of records.
The family history of his wife C.V.Parks may have info too ...it is amazing what a wife will tell her family!
Does TN have any birth records for 1858-59?
Perhaps there are Church records for those years - if you can find out for sure if William P. Allen were Baptist or
Methodist, or other, then a Church in one of the counties
you are looking at , may have records. Look at census records and see how many people lived in those counties
during those years who were farmers - as evidently his
father was.
And be sure to check out local historical societies in
Ellis County and Dallas County, TX - They have records
that are not on-line or in local libraries.
I used WORLDCONNECT and "advanced search" and did a quick look at "Allen" with spouse "Pirtle" but nothing relevant
came up - but some were in TN....wish this had produced
some information!
Wish I could help you more, but it certainly looks like some Allens and Carrells served in the Confederate Army together!
Be sure to list the children of William Pirtle Allen on the Allen Suranme Forum on GENFORUM - IT MAY HELP TRIGGER SOME RESPONSE by a descendant.
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