I wanted to also bring up the name change. This has not always settle
well with some of my mom's sisters. They have always considered a
German heritage but this revelation of a Hungarian period is confusing
and now the mention of France too? I am told by French, German and
Hungarian researchers that the pronounciation of Mathieu was similar
to Matt-yee--ooo with an 'r' sound in there.It was typical for it to
go to Mattt---yeeee...and with the intense Hungarian
influence...(Magarization) say it our way or get out..it also changed
to Matje or Matt..cheee or Matt..jeeee...I imagine Wisconsinites are
quite settled on Matt-chee. Obviously no need to change or be offended
if some are.
My Muncy name was Muncey until 1700's then earlier Mouncey or Mounsey
and earlier Mounceau (Normandy before crossing into England/Ireland).
Just the way it is...just nice to know the history and seems to give
the name breadth, but some people are troubled by the name change or
as I have found there is suspicion of digging into the past like
trying to find out bad stuff. I have had several aunts not wanting to
know the past. I have had one researcher on Muncy side spend months
not wanting to share because her grandfather at 80 committed suicide
in Hobbs, NM when he found out his considerably younger wife was
fooling around...she finally opened up and we have been able to
research her Muncy and Ballard line back to 1630's in Plymouth.
So, without offending, I hope the name spelling or pronounciation does
not offend family...it just happened that way as families of the land
had little use of the written word...only the spoken and the spelled
name was relatively new and bequeathed to the priest, teacher or govt.
Sept 07 to Jan:
Wow...thank you Jan. My research has centered around my mom's mother's side (Matye) and it has been an adventure in history that no one in her immediate family knew about. Margaret Matye was not encouraged by her husband, Henry Rausch to share much family history. Because she was so small when she came over (4 years old b. 1892) in 1896, by the time she was older she was confined to Athens, Wis area while her family was in Almena/Turtle Lk/St. Paul area. My mom and sisters (Vernida, Irene, Elenore, Mathilda, and Viola) all left home in teens to escape harsh treatment from dad and poor mom stayed of course and nothing was passed on re Hungarian (Banat) history that was Niklos Matye b. 1829/Kristina Heim b. 1832>Nicklos Matye b. 1862/Anna Bauer b. 1867, the parents of, I believe Mathias/Matayas/Matt Matye and brother of Margit/Margret/Margaret Matye.
The history of the Banat region is complicated by virtue of German ethnicity/Hungarian influence/Serbian/Romanian history and the violence that affected the area. There are great sites re this region should you be interested....
I live in Portland, Oregon. My mom assumed the name Sharon when a teen. She married a soldier, James Muncy and after the war they settled in Portland. I am the only child. Mathilda (Tillie) married Felix Stencil and lived in Portland. Irene settled in Calif. and married Jess Marshall, Viola married Ira Mason and lived in Calif. Elenore married Emil and I cannot think of last name now. The only son, Walter inherited the family farm in Athens and the sons still manage the farm.
So we are related by some degree. The Hungarian history is immensely fascinating and our family was very brave to leave France/Germany...travel the distance to Hungary to tame and farm distant lands,,,then feeling the changes coming to move to the US...those that stayed were ultimately subjected to horrific retaliation after WWII....death camps and mass graves...in villages where jsut 50 years earlier our families had lived but ultimately left.
Thank you for responding....Gary
Nov 18, 2007
My somewhat besieged memory recalled your name, when I saw the email
chain from Ruth. This email response from you was most instructive. I
believe since I last talked to you, I was able to track Nicklaus Matye
b. 1831 (Nick and Anna's father/father in law) back into Hungary and
identify his bride Christina Heim. I, with the help of several
researchers, identified the Matye name back to the 1500's into France.
Charles MATHIEU left Jallaucourt, Moselle, Lorraine, France in 1770
with his bride for Hungary. Because of the French-German wars and the
scarcity of land, they and many tens of thousand more left for Hungary
because of a land deal the Hapsburgs made available.
Charles registered in Vienna for land and then proceeded to
Sackelhausen, Hungary where in the process of registering twice by now
his name started to change: Mathieu to Mathie to Mattye to Matio to
Matye and at times Matje. This was of course priests and teachers that
recorded by sound as their were no documents for peasants/farmers. The
original name Mathieu is well recorded in France in the
Jallaucourt/Oriocout/Gremecy region (In he church in Moselle). It
changed over time and they accepted, as so many thousands of others
did, the change. Charles became Carl (German influence) and eventually
Charles settled in a French enclave in Hungary, a settlement of 3
villages: St. Hubert, Chareville, Seltour. I have a well recorded
progression of family upto NIck Jr. being born and then he disappears
because Nick Sr. and Christina seem to have moved from the French area
into the German area down the road some 15 miles into Deutsch
Unfortuanately there was a gap in record keeping that may be corrected
in the next couple years, but from 1850's to 1890 there is a current
gap in the D. Zerne records. This is where, I believe, Nick Jr. met
and married Anna Bauer. There is no record of this. I cannot locate
Bauers after 1805 in these villages although there are lots of Bauers
in the same French region (Moselle, Lorraine, France) that the Matye
lived in...there is none to the East in the D. Zerne area. So, I
cannot yet track back into the earlier Bauers without knowing more
about Anna's parents and grandparents...there is the gap between 1805
and her birth in 1868.
Interestingly, I have located info of Bauers, Heims, Katreins,
Rothenbachs (all who later settle in Turtle L., Arland, Almena)
leaving the French and German area and moving many miles away from
there upto the less hospitalble Hungarian village near Arad. Not sure
what they were chasing but around 1896 Nick Jr. and Anna along with
Heims, Rothenbachs and Katreins and Merlos depart Hungary and end up
for a very short time in Georgia (US) and upon not finding work they
headed to Turtle Lake area. I imagine someone may have led the way..I
suspect Rothenbachs. Soon Johann Matye followed with his family and
according to immigration records $1200. a significant amount for the
In 1909, I find Christina's Matye (Heim) death record in D. Czernya
with her surviving husband Nicklaus. Then shortly thereafter, Nick Sr.
leaves Hungary by himself and travels to Turtle L. He dies about a
year later. His immigration record shows his son Peder remaining
So that is a rambling account. I have nothing re Anna's history. I
feel confident if I could backtrack via her parents (Matyas and ?)and
her grandparents I could connect to the Bauers that came to Hungary
via Bas-Rhin, Moselle, Lorraine, France region. So, if you have any
ability to forward this to Greg in Turtle L. or anyone else that has
researched the Matye (Mathieu) or Bauer family I would be most
appreciative. I have pretty well gone back a great degree on most of
the family lines but dear Anna eludes me. Her obit only said her dad
was Matt...an Americanized name and no reference to the mother...why
no mention of mom...is there an interesting story there back in
Hungary? Are there any Bauers here that came over...that may know
history independent of Matye's? One family researcher says Anna had
cousins that came over and settled in Wisconsin and Quebec (French
connection?)Anyway, I believe you won't get this until work on
Sincerely thanks and sorry for rambling account above,