Chris, I am descended through Elizabeth Bland, illegitimate daughter of Margaret Bland. Elizabeth married William Thompson of Barnard Castle, they had son John Thompson in 1804, John married Sarah Hunter and had a son Robert in 1843. Robert married Mary Howie and their son John Howie Thompson was my grandfather. Do I understand your post to say that your 4X great grandfather was Elizabeth's brother, John Bland? I thought that Margaret Bland's son John had died in November of 1787 at the age of 10. I have a copy of Elizabeth & John's baptism and I know that was in 1781 but I don't believe they were newborn children. I'm sure Elizabeth was at least 3 years old at the time.