A Tale of Two Uncles
Although Dr. Miller was correctly pointing to Kempston (sometimes Kimpson)in his analysis, we must reserve the harshest criticism to date for his short-sightedness, for Ancell Carter, Grocer of London, did not have six sons, did not have a son named Thomas.How much time and effort has been wasted!
"Age: 69y 11m 26d in Barford, on the Corotoman" is ... not ... our Thomas.
The Prayer Book only says "about 70 years".We now know he was born
October 1632, but could we expect an orphan to know his exact date of
birth ..... and have access to his family seal?To Wit:
He lost his mother at the age of four, his father at the age of twelve, and then,
his grandfather at the age of sixteen!His Uncle Thomas - Apprentice Grocer
of London in 1634 - was the Administrator of the will of Grandfather Thomas,
where our Young Thomas would receive sums of 30 and 40 Pounds per year for
his education until the age of twenty-one.Plainly, he took advantage of this.
It is ..... possible ..... that he took an apprenticeship in London with his uncles;
apprenticeships included general education, as well as experience in the trade.
In all of this, we need to make minor adjustments to dating, and must sort out the Thomas Carters of Isle of Wight, Virginia, who left greater Lancaster by 1658.[Dr. Barry Hayes and Joseph Carter on GenForum]Although we have not yet found records for our Thomas in the 1650's, he was Captain of Lancaster Militia before 1662.Therefore, his arrival had to be no later than 1657, just as the Isle of Wight were leaving.(See the Joseph Carter posting at the end of our notes).Contrary to other current trash on the web, he did not arrive in 1650!That was the Dale and Skipwith.In other words .......
Throw Away the Bloody Books!
We need a completely fresh start, and to refocus our efforts, our Thomas was of a "London merchant of good family".Turns out that ... his other uncle ... Ancell Carter, Grocer and Citizen of London, and his sons George and John, were on Fleet Street itself.The parish church of St. Dunstan in-the-West is there to this day.It houses the Cordwiners Guild - Shoemakers in plain English - where his ... father ...William 1606 was a Glover back in Bedfordshire.Cousin John's will of 1687 London mentions Fleet Street and tells us our Carterwere actually Spice Traders:"besides her stocke in the East India Company" and "And also the East India Store".It should be noted Grocers were of high esteem - they were second in the Queens Line of Procession.In brief, our Carter of England were both Grocers and Tanners!
Therefore,Glover was ... not ... an alias for the father William Carter 1606 ... that was his Trade!
Note from Jim Carter: William "of Barford & Hatfield". Named in Thomas' will as deceased. Was a glover ...
Separate note for John Carter of New Jersey: Philip Packer came in 1684 to Philadelphia from Hull, England.
He apprenticed under Joseph Fisher, Merchant of London and Philadelphia, to be a lace and glover.
Combining ... complete and accurate ... information cited below from both sides of The Pond:
Did our orphaned Thomas join his Uncle Thomas in London - who was there in 1653 to witness a Barford will?
Did our Thomas apprentice in London as a teenager?Witness his son Thomas Jr. in service to King Carter.
Did he marry his first wife Catherine in Bedfordshire, in London, or in Lancaster?
Just when did he arrive in Lancaster? By two different accounts, it had to be after 1652. *
Was it Mr. Thomas Carter, Planter, in the 1653 Tithe, upon arrival at the age of twenty-one?
Which is possible, but which would be Pushing the Envelope.
Or was this Thomas Isle of Wight - later selling off in 1656 - preparing to leave Middlesex for Surry County?
However, the deed abstract of 1656 says Lancaster, rather than many other entries for Middlesex to the South.
Dr. Barry Hayes proves all his Isle of Wight left greater Lancaster, or deceased, by 1658. But there were complications, delaying final settlements till 1662!Confusing to say the least.
Although the timing is this side of perfect, Dr. Hayes makes a very solid case that the eight hundred acre purchase of 1654 on the Eastermost branch of the Lancaster was his Thomas, and not ours.He separately proves this deal was never consumated.See the Joseph Carter abstract at the end of our notes which proves the three transactions beginning 1656 were Isle of Wight!George Marsh is shown as the central character in several transactions between Col. John Carter, Major Edward Carter (who returned to England) and the "Ancient" Thomas Carter (the first landowners), the Progenitor of the Isle of Wight.We can forgive Dr. Miller for picking the wrong Thomas in this particular case - it was truly confusing:
GENEALOGIES OF VIRGINIA FAMILIES
From the William and Mary College Quarterly Historical Magazine, Vol. I. Baltimore, MD:
Genealogical Publishing Co., 1982. Page 597-599.
Jan. 14, 1656 , George Marsh, Merchant, sold 560 acres to "Tho: Carter in ye County of Lancr Planter."
May 27, 1657, "Mr. Thomas Carter" had grant for150 acres for transporting three persons;
Sept. 20, 1661, he was granted 220 acres for the transportation of five persons.
(Ancient Thomas had "deserted" this claim by his death which was then rolled up by Col. John Carter).
Our Thomas turned twenty-one in 1653, but no one has been able to find his passage.
All we can say for certain is that our Thomas was well established in Lancaster County VA by 1660: *
Fact: A Captain of Militia ... before ... January 29, 1662
Fact: First wife Catherine cosigned a deed on July 10, 1662
Fact: Took the Oath of Commissioner (not Justice) October 21, 1663
There must be transactions for him, a passage for him, somewhere in the 1650's!By analogy,
there are no early records for the Dale and Skipwith, who .... must .... have fled London by 1650.
An interesting sideline from Jeff Chimpman on the Dale GenForum, message 2596:
"The parents of Maj. Edward Dale of Lancaster Co., VA were William and Elizabeth (Elliott) Dale of London. *** William Dale was a grocer, as was his father Robert Dale. ***In 1613, William Dale was granted a coat of arms. He would have entered his pedigree at the same time. These arms are the same arms as used by Maj. Edward Dale of Lancaster Co., VA. In order for Maj. Edward Dale to use these arms legitimately, he had to be a descendant of William Dale, and in this case, because of chronology, he was William Dale's son.
"Because the Dale pedigree only extends to William Dale's father, Robert Dale, and the family was of relatively humble origin, I see no evidence of the hand of a corrupt herald. William Dale was affluent enough to apply for arms, but he didn't fudge his ancestry. There are no nobles or monarchs in his declared background. The Dale family was of the mercantile class".Separately, Jeff has no problem with the pedigree of Diana Skipwith.
Thomas sung the praises of his father-in-law in the Prayer Book, but made no allusions to an elevated pedigree, just that the Dale were Ancient.They both benefited from Sir Henry - but beyond that, the two plainly shared a comradare and work ethic in and of the Mercantile Class.We should not make too much of a fuss if Thomas sealed his will of 1700 with the seal of the Dales - he was plainly aware of his roots in Bedfordshire, but had little contact there as an adult.The first record of Edward Dale in Virginia is 1652, as (concurrent) Clerk of Westermoreland County, where Lancaster was formed in 1651 .Remember, Charles I was beheaded on the 30th of January 1649 - fair to say the Dale and Skipwith removed themselves to Lancaster within a year, they were both already in London.The Prayer Book tells us Katherine was born in 1652 and that Edward had married early.Separately, see our notes for Katherine for the Parish records that prove she was the daughter of Diana Skipwith Dale - born ten years before the demise of Lady Diana.Thems the facts, plain and simple.
Therefore, would our young Thomas have met the Dale in London at the Grocers Guild?
(The Dale and Skipwith would have removed themselves from London by 1650).
Sir Henry's second wife (m. 1639 London) was the daughter of the Goldsmith to King Charles!
Would they have been the ones to lead our Thomas to the Virginia Colony?
Especially since all three families are well-proven as Royalists?
Yeah ... Grocers, Goldsmiths and Royalists.
Perhaps our Thomas was paying a tribute to the Dale - perhaps to all the Tradesmen
of London - when he used the Dale signet on his will.He was well aware of all the
protocals and social consequences of the day.This could not have been an accident,
nor a pretension - our orphan of Kempston never mentions Katherine nor Sir Henry.
As an orphan, perhaps our Thomas saw Edward as the missing father of his youth.
Otherwise, many thanks to Joe Carter, Joyce Parkey, Mr. Aheinly and Ruth Sehen
for their extended effort on documents, rather than the contaminated books:
Note: Kempston is a few miles Southwest of Bedford, while Great Barford is a dozen miles East.
As with our census, there were many spellings of the same name, e.g., Kempston / Kimpson