Wow Ruth, I don't know why I didn't see this before now but I didn't get notified of this posting.I have read your posting and find it very interesting that Joseph had a son name George as well. Joseph I think was born in 1812 would have been born just after my great great grandfather Phillip b. 1810. I can't help you as I don't have anything on the earlier Clem lines other than what I have found online left by others and the census reports I have found. I did find in the 1860 Limestone County,Alabama census report living next door to Phillip and his family was Elizabeth A. Clem age 38 born in VA Napolean B. 12 b. AL Andrew J. 10, AL Susan E. A. 8, AL I had wondered who they were but now I would bet that they are the wife of Vincent and his children. Vincent must have already died. Something I am wondering about, with there being so many George's in these lines it makes you wonder if either Adam or Jemina's father was a George as well? What do you think? You may contact me at my yahoo address if you like.