Last pg. of Sooter file for Nancy, Leresa, JW Fly and all
I have been reading the last page of the Sooter file that Nancy was so kind to post.This brings up many questions.
What seems to be happening here is that Chief Mayes took the Sooter Claim before the Dawes Commission. I may be confused here. Is the Dawes Commision stating the grounds on which the application is approved or not approved, or is Chief Mays telling the Dawes commisson why the claim is not valid.
This goes on to state that Jeremiah and the petitioners never were a citizen of the Cherokee Nation and there is nothing that indicates that the Sooters ancestors never resided im the Cherokee Nation & Indian Territory. Right or wrong?
This brings up one other thought.this says that the Flys and Sooters at no time were part of the Cherokee Nation.This would be a direct conflict in the case of Mrs. White. She is the lady whose father told her the Fly's where Chicamouga Cherokees. So this would make her case invalid also.If Jeremiah and the Sooters etc. never lived with the Cherokee Indians, then they would not have belonged to any tribe of Cherokees anywhere.Which seems logical.Especially when this tribe of Cherokees were in Georgia, around the area of Horseshoe Bend, Arkansas perhaps Mississippi.To be part of this tribe they would have to have lived among them at one time or another and this paper says they didn't.
I would think that this tells us that Jeremiah probably was not a full blood Cherokee.Also, the NA blood would have to come from the vacinity of Northampton Co., N.C. in the 1760's or so.That would indicate that they could have decinded from the now extinct tribe of Nasemond Indians.
You also would have to take into consideration that the Reed family is not part of this claim.Just the Flys and Sooters.Elizabeth Reed was said to be 1/2 French and 1/2 Cherokee?If she was in fact 1/2 Cherokee she would have to have roots in Georga at the time she was born. This is possible if in the time frame of 1760 or so, her parents could have lived where Georgia is today. Please speak freely on these thoughts.They are exactly what I say - thoughts. I am sure there will be many debates about the whys and wherefores of the outcome of the Sooter claim. However, I would have to agree with the Dawes Commission and Chief Mayes in the final decision to reject the claim.
I do have a copy of the Dawes Roll if any one would care to look at it.Jremiah and the Sooters would have had to have an ancestor on the Dawes roll to make their claim valid.They did not unless one of the Flys was known by an Indian Name.
We know that Jeremiah did not spend a life time in Arkansas. He was there long enough to make friends with Chief John Ross and Prisy Capps or they would not be making affidavits.The date on the affidavit of John Ross is weird.Chief John Ross was dead way before this affidavit was made.So, did Chief John Ross have a son named John Ross who was also a Chief of the Eastern Cherokees that could be the one making this affidavit.the date of the Rosses Affidavit is 23 Sept. 1892.That date does not fit in with the Chief we know as John Ross.He died around 1866.So, who is this Chief that is making this affidavit?
I will also say in behalf of Jeremiah Fly and the fact that he actually had nothing to do with this claim of the Sooters, other than he is named as their grandfather. NA's were treated in an inhumaine way in those days.None of them in my family have a race other than white.My 2 greats grandmother migrated to Missouri with her family when she was very small.She was about 13 years old when the Civil War broke out.She was terribly mistreated by the people in her community.However, she did appliy for a homestead.In her homestead papers one of the questions was are you a citizen.Her answer was simply stated. She said she was a Native.The homestead was approved and she raised her 2 sons on this 40 acres.The homestead papers could have been denied if she would have said that she was an Indian.However, she said she was a Native.This meant to the people that filed this claim for her took being a Native as being a citizen.However, when I read it I get an intirely differnt meaning out of the word Native.That would indicate to me that she was a NA.So, this is an example of how words can mean one thing to one person and another thing to someone else.
Someone please give their thoughts on these thoughts.They will probably be quite differnt than my thoughts!
Thank all of you for the information you shared with me. You all are greatly appreciated.