The same Carroll Co., Court record sheet (My copied notes from the "Bluebooks") that shows George and Nathan Rochell Fly in 1828 also names Jeremiah, William and Asher P. Fly from about 1824 forward to about 1833. Then there is a Deed in 1836 naming William and several recognizable Sooter names (William Married Nicea Sooter) and three of the Sooter men married William's sisters. There is also the name of Vincent Palmer, who married the widow Sooter, Nicea'S MOTHER. These were the parents of Mary Isabel (Palmer) Fly.
Jeremiah Nicholas Fly appears as "J.N. Fly" on Jury duty in 1836, "Jeremiah N. Fly" in 1837 and 1838."John R. Fly" (John Richard Fly, son of Elisha, b. ca. 1767) appears as one of the "hands" on the Road Crew assigned to Jeremiah N. Fly.
I consider that everyone on this page of notes from the "Bluebooks" is known and accounted-for except the "George" and the "Nathan Rochell".We are down to a very few pieces in the jigsaw puzzle here.It seems to point toward George and Nathan Rochell belonging to John JESSE, firstborn son on Elisha, jr.This is the way I show them in my "Best Hypothesis".Dr. Hillard Fly Blankenship told me that, "One of the grandfathers in his line was killed by a Panther in Tennessee". Dr. Blankenship is a descendant of Jeremiah Nicholas Fly. William Bertrand Fly, a descendant of Asher Pipkin Fly told Tom Lincoln in the 1960's that, "One of the Fly men was killed by a Panther in Tennessee."It is unlikely that we will get better evidence for placing the line of Jeremiah Nicholas than this.The cousins in Missouri TRIED, down generation, to determine what the cousinship really was between descendants of William Fly, b. 1799 and Jeremiah Nicholas Fly's descendants.THE COULD NOT PIN IT DOWN.When you understand what it REALLY was, you can understand WHY they could not readily do so.
Reference to the Maury Co. Courthouse records-organizer person who responded to Joyce. -As a result of the inquiries of Marian Prescott Brown into the early family relationships, she came to think that there was a "Jeremiah" among the children of John Fly, b. 1/1/1772. It seems to have come about because Jeremiah Hill, son of Spencer Hill, Elisha's good friend, who married Matilda Fly, daughter of Lawrence Fly, who WAS a son of "Rev." John, lived right next door to Lawrence Fly. Down-generation informants thought that Jeremiah Hill was contemporary with Lawrence and belonged in the sibling group. Their houses were side by side. Detailed information in my possession, that is "family-Bible" quality, gives ALL of the children of "Rev." John; and Jeremiah Nicholas Fly is NOT in that sibling group, no matter what Joyce's informant thinks.
The "other Fly out there", Joyce, is John JESSE Fly, b. ca. 1788, son of Elisha and Elizabeth, one of the TWO Jesse Flys in the Davidson Co., TN Militia in TWO separate years, 1811 & 1812. They were in TWO separate companies. (The OTHER one is married to Delany Whitford in 1808, in Bedford Co., TN. 1820, and Wayne co., IL. in late 1826).I know his full line and have photos of his and her gravestones in Illinois.
I keep begging all and sundry to give my hypothesis a break.I have spent a lifetime working with these documents; and while OTHER documents flesh out the picture, NOTHING has required a MAJOR restructuring, YET.
Joyce, please oblige with your document(s) giving us a Jeremiah in the Revolution in North Carolina.We know about one in Georgia, but I do not know of a Jeremiah in North Carolina that is documented in the Revolution.I DO have a petition signature for a Jeremiah that would be of the right generation.I will be obliged for your documentation on this one.As you know I am hoping eventually to learn more about the Jeremiah Fly/Miss duPree records from the early 1600's, which you have explained will take a while to get at the Library.
The George/ Lavina Lavinia Lavinea Orphan records remain VERY pertinent to the George/Nathan Rochell disappearance from the records. (What is the correct spelling?). The orphan George could easily be a George, Junior; and the death of his father could explain why we have nothing further in the records. The marriage of a Fly woman to a Mr. Roach in Lexington, TN. could tie in here.
I repeat here the suggestion here that responders to Joyce's query about George and Nathan Rochell might serve the research better to answer here on the Forum, so I can be privy to the material supplied.The fact of the response you received coming in to you, Joyce, but not to anyone else has the effect of cutting the rest of us OUT of the process.No criticism intended; but the results would be better if the search were OPEN to Forum participants.