Well, Ellen Jane was born on 8th July 1852 at 22 Carlton Street in Newcastle (not Gateshead). Maybe George Foggin, the father is the brother of Gilbert. George was a butcher. He was living at the Ravensworth Arms in Newcastle with his daughter, Ellen Jane, the licensee on the 1901 Census and his age was 78. That would make him 28 on the 1851 Census. He was therefore 8 years older than Gilbert. We also had Thomas Foggin, the 17 year old nephew of Ellen Jane who was a waterman's apprentice and Laura Foggin, a 14 year old niece in the Ravensworth Arms in 1901.