Now I'm getting it from both sides! Please don't read more into what I write than I'm actually saying. See the post from Nancy Goode Page: my reply to her rather cutting comments does not accuse G. Brown Goode of bad scholarship: I am aware of his distinguished background, also that he was President of Sons of the American Revolution (I believe) and a member of several genealogical organizations. I merely note that there are some genealogical books that have been found to contain errors: one I can mention that has been criticized is Brownings Royal Ancestries of the American Colonists (that may not be the exact title) written in the 1880's. (Though actually he got a lot of things right.) I have written before on the matter of "crests" (actually what is meant is coat of arms.)- that anyone who can prove descent can use said coat of arms: in case of question a person can check with the Royal College of Heralds.I only note one of the rules of genealogical research, and that is to regard what has been previously written with some skepticism until one is satisfied by one's own research. Ms. Page says she has a Lineages Inc. study that turned up different conclusions from G. Brown Goode's work. I can't say either way, and don't care to: my research problem now is finding the ancestors of my Goode relatives in Ga. in the 18th century. I'll cross the Cornwall bridge when or if I come to it. Of course I realize that Goode in Virginia Cousins mentioned the early "royal" connections tongue in cheek. Also, he was very clear in noting when he was making assumptions. In any case, his chronicle of the Goode family in America is a very helpful work and monumental considering it was written in 3 or so years. I've done more research since my earlier post on the matter and the things I find in the Library of VA. so far bear out G. Brown Goode's book. In any case I must retire from this fray over the 17th century Goodes to return to the 18th century and my research there!