I was born in London but now live in a small village in Bedfordshire (40 miles north of London and 73 miles south of Ufton Nervet). I have very recently traced my line back to my 10th g-grandfather Robert Goode (c1586) of Ufton Nervet through his daughter Mary (christened 9Nov 1623), my 9th g-grandmother who married Thomas Haines on 8th August 1653. Her sister Anne is not only my 9th great-aunt but was also the wife of my 9th great-uncle Thomas Wickens whom she married on19 May 1661. This is through Mary’s grandson John Powell marrying Elizabeth Wickens whose grandfather John Wickens was the aforementioned Thomas’ brother.
I noticed on Ancestry’s family trees that there are various references to Robert Goode and his antecedents. A lot of this information conflicts and some just doesn’t make sense. I grew more and more sceptical when I saw royalty of England, France and Norway etc put forward as ancestors. This isn’t to say that it doesn’t happen but I’ve been there before and have been disappointed when I found out that it wasn’t true.
Then I chanced on your fantastic ‘Goode’ forum and have read all 2256 messages (yes, it gets you like that doesn’t it? ?) with a great and very avid interest. I am really impressed by the proficiency of some of the people on here and the lengths they have gone to to try and verify information. Amazing. Wow, Nancy and Don Page – blinkin’ heck 12, 000 Goodes! You must be extremely methodical to be able to manage all that information.
Like others on here I have the wills of Marmaduke and Robert Goode (I agree with Nancy that they are hard to read – hell’s bells, deciphering is a better word lol!) and thoroughly concur that there are definitely two John Goodes mentioned. Robert Goode mentions his son John Goode Senior, Grocer of London, which he wouldn’t have done if there was only one John and when Marmaduke mentions the elder John he also quantifies this by adding Citizen of London to set him apart from his brother John in Virginia.Now whether this is your John Goode of ‘Whitby’ or another John Goode entirely is another kettle of fish but I would be surprised if the Ufton John hadn’t spawned some little sproglets whilst in Virginia so I might assume, perhaps, that I have some Goode cousins over the pond!
Can I please pose some queries and share some snippets of information and ideas? Please bear with me if you already have any information I give, which I suspect very many of you do.
As children of Robert I have: Marmaduke (c1616 – entered Queens College, Oxford on 24 Oct 1634 aged 18), Samuel (c20 Aug 1618 – I think that someone has, perhaps, erroneously entered his father on the IGI Index as John but both Robert and John mention him in their wills), Robert (c27 Sep 1619), John (c24 Dec 1620 who I think is the London grocer), Mary aforementioned (c9 Nov 1623), William (9Nov 1623), Thomas (c28 Apr 1635 who by 1678 was in Ireland), Anne (c5 Jun 1637) and Virginian John (c1632 as mentioned in the forum?). In Robert’s will he leaves Samuel, John Senior, Marmaduke, Mary, William and Robert various sums of money and, if I have read ‘fower’ correctly, his four youngest children £20 apiece. So these would supposedly be John Junior, Thomas, Anne and ????? Richard? Does anyone know who the other child may be, if there is one? According to the IGI, a Vrulah (Ursula?) Goode was married in Ufton in 1652 and an Abraham in 1653 but I can’t see their christenings there. And, yes, I know this makes two.
Robert names ‘Fraunces my now wife’ in his will. I have seen entries in the IGI that her surname was Whitley but I wonder if this is pure conjecture. Is there any evidence for this? I note that a Robert Goode married Ann/Martha Anne Thompson in 1604 in Cambridge but as I cannot find evidence of any children before Marmaduke in 1616, perhaps she isn’t his mother. I do think that, perhaps, he had a previous wife to Frances because of the gaps between the births of William and John and the younger children. But there again I could very easily be wrong. I also wonder if Grocer John was married twice with Mary, Marmaduke’s executrix, being the eldest of John’s children and the daughter of a wife before Susanna.
Whilst Marmaduke was incumbent in Englefield he appears to have married Amy Palmer on 13 Nov 1645. However, I cannot find any children of this union and as she is not mentioned in his will they may have separated or she died.
I wonder if anyone can help elucidate the tantalising Dr Goode’s Post 482 – the more I read if the more my head spins around, as in the Exorcist lol, in confusion because I just don’t understand what he is getting at – 18 years isn’t long enough?:-
An iteresting tidbit to think about here concerning the Marmaduke question:
....according to an emmigration source I have--"Some Emigrants to Virginia: Memoranda in Regard" by William Stanard---a John Goode arrived in Virginia in February 1678. This is so close to the date of Marmaduke's will that it could explain why another John Goode is there. He certainly would NOT have the time to have jetted over to buy the Whitby land in 1660, then return to Barbados, then go back to England and back to Virginia again. This seems to be a REAL reach.
……. And another one of Dr Goode’s, Post 1980:-
……I had several theories--the Whitby reference was from research over there when a UK historian showed me that on a map. I haven't seen Durants, it might be correct. Brown Goode stated either the word was WHITLY or WHITBY, he wasn't sure. I just threw that out for a possible location. It may be we will never know. I was clear though that I thought the Berkshire line was no better than some of the others--except we know now that the Cornwall connection is a zero. The Berkshire will that some here have used to establish the Virginia Goode line didn't match up, as I said in the book. I found noone in England that thought this line could be ours. In addition, I showed the documents (copies) to several colonial/England experts at the University of Virginia-Charlottesville, and they also concurred.
Can anyone tell me why the Berkshire will didn’t ‘match up’? It doesn’t explain itself to me at all. But then, perhaps it is not supposed to.
Regarding the Whitley or Whitby connection, whilst there is a Whitley in Cornwall there is also a Whitley in Berkshire. This Whitley, with its Whitley Woods, is about 6 miles from Ufton Nervet so I’m sure that Robert’s children would have known it quite well. Like a lot of small villages it is now a suburb of a larger town, historic Reading. Here are some snippets of information about it:-
Whitley – Domesday Book:-
Witelei: Theodoric the Goldsmith. Fishery.
Suburb of Reading
'The borough of Reading: Manors ', A History of the County of Berkshire: Volume 3 (1923), pp. 364-367. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=43227:-http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=43227:-
The hamlet of WHITLEY (Witeleia, xii cent.; Whytel, xiii cent.; Whyteleye, xiv, xv cent.) in the parish of St. Giles belonged to Reading Abbey until the Dissolution. (fn. 51) The nucleus of this estate is found in the grant (fn. 52) of Peter de Cosham to the monks in the 12th century of all his land of Whitley within and without the borough, but sundry other rights and parcels of land in the neighbourhood were subsequently acquired. ………
Transcript of part ofthe particulars for the sale of the manor of Bulmershe, Berkshire, following Henry VIII’s dissolution of the monasteries, dated 17 June 1544 (NationalArchives UK) :-
1. The fore said Ferme of the man[er] of Bulm[er]she lyeth w[i]t[h]in a myle of thekyng[es] maiesties house of
2. Redyng whych ys res[er]vyd & kept for his maiesties accesse w[i]t[h] a kep[er] for the same
3. It[e]m it lyeth not a bove a myle & a halfe from the kyng[es] hygnes p[ar]ke of Whittley
4. It[e]m yt ys w[i]t[h]in lesse then a myle of the Border of his graces Forest of Wyndesore (Windsor)
5. & his graces redde dere do many tymes resort oute of the same Forest & lye & feede
6. in the ground[es] belonging to the said Ferme
7. The certyfycate From thaudyto[ur] It[e]m the valew of the Ferme of Bulm[er]she a bove written w[i]t[h] the appurtenances was
8. delyv[er]ed to John Vener be fore this by a warraunt of Syr Rychard Southwell
9. It[e]m c[er]teyn ground a bove said Called Arleighe lyeth a myle From Redyng
10. a fore said
11. It[e]m the said ground of Arleygh[e] lyeth halfe a myle From the p[ar]kes of Whyttley
12. It[e]m yt lyeth a myle From the said Forest of Wyndesore
This shows that Whitley lies very close to the grounds of Windsor Castle.
Incidentally, a really good site for exploring the villages of Berkshire is David Nash Ford’s Royal Berkshire – http://www.berkshirehistory.comhttp://www.berkshirehistory.com. There is also a great 1611 map of Berkshire there. Whitley Hill is mentioned in his account of ‘The Siege of Reading’ that happened in 1642-3 during the civil war - I wonder how if affected the Goodes, living so close to the warfare?
Further to Dave Goode’s Post 1508, postulating that as both Whitby and Richmond are in Yorkshire that is where Immigrant John must have come from and not Cornwall or Berkshire, I thought that Richmond Virginia was named after Richmond on the outskirts of London. Richmond Park, where Kings from the time of HenryV11 hunted, is still there with about 650 free roaming deer.
Todd Whitesides brings up the interesting point (Post 2235) that Robert may be the son of George Goode and Maude Justice, christened 28 Jan 1587 in Yattendon, Berkshire.Well, the date certainly fits, Yattendon is only 9 miles away from Ufton Nervet and so this could be correct. However, according to Cambridge University Alumni 1261-1900 statistics, Robert Good, who entered Queens College, Cambridge, in 1603 came from Cambridgeshire (B.A. 1606-7; M.A. 1610. Ord. deacon and priest (Lincoln) Sept. 23, 1610. C. of Barford, Beds., 1610). Marmaduke (1616) may have been born in Barford, the records for which, incidentally are not online on the LDS site and also, according to the Cambridge Record Office, only about 15% of Cambridgeshire parish records have been put online so that may explain why there are informational gaps.
British History Online is a fantastic source of historical material both for places, from small hamlets to large cities, and for names – one can search for either or both. The following comes from this source:-
Parishes: East Hatley', A History of the County of Cambridge and the Isle of Ely: Volume 8 (1982), pp. 43-49. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=66740&strquery=goodehttp://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=66740&strquery=goode.
The queen presented in 1565. (fn. 134) Richard Hendry of Worcester, who presented in 1568, required his candidate in return to lease the rectory to his patron who then sold the lease. Hendry was alleged to have induced that incumbent to resign in 1574, in order to void a sub-lease of the rectory glebe, and presented again, perhaps repeating his simoniacal practices, in 1574 and 1575. (fn. 135) In 1576 John Hacker presented. In 1577 Thomas Goode, a yeoman of Abington, presented his kinsman John Goode, (fn. 136) upon whose death in 1627 Francis Goode, fellow of King's College, presented Thomas Goode. (fn. 137) When Thomas died in 1655 he left the advowson to his widow Anne. (fn. 138) Marmaduke Goode, clerk, claimed the patronage in 1662, but Sir George Downing, as lord of the manor, presented in 1663, buying out Marmaduke's interest in 1664. (fn. 139) Thereafter the advowson passed with the Downing estates, being exercised in 1799 by J. J. Whittington. (fn. 140) From 1800 it belonged to Downing College. After 1966 presentation was suspended. (fn. 141)
In 1561 the rector, another absentee, put in charge a servant not licensed to minister. No homilies, let alone sermons, were read, and no communions celebrated at all. (fn. 166) By 1564, however, he had provided a curate. (fn. 167) Between 1565 and 1577 there were five rectors, including the Crown nominee, Thomas Drant, a translator of Latin poetry. (fn. 168) John Goode, however, from a local family, retained the living from 1577 to his death in 1627. In 1579, although he would not occupy the ruinous parsonage, he attended weekly to perform the services, even though there was no communion table, and few of the requisite books. (fn. 169) His kinsman and successor Thomas Goode, although apparently respected by his parishioners, (fn. 170) was stigmatized by puritans as a drunkard and upholder of ceremonies. He was sequestrated in 1643. His third successor, (fn. 171) the 'able, pious' Presbyterian Richard Kennitt, himself in 1650 lately ejected from a Cambridge fellowship, resigned in 1662. (fn. 172).
There seems to be a possible connection here. I have an inkling that John Goode may have been Robert of Ufton’s father. Thomas Goode, the yeoman of Abington Pigotts, was a kinsman of John’s, his patron and possibly his father or uncle.
'Parishes: Abington Pigotts', A History of the County of Cambridge and the Isle of Ely: Volume 8 (1982), pp. 4-12. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=66737&strquery=abingtonhttp://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=66737&strquery=abington pigotts goode:-
…..About 1640 the Pigott estate included two large and two medium-sized farms, besides eight smaller tenancies. (fn. 165) Downhall farm, occupied on long leases by Thomas Goode (d. 1580) and his descendants, had in the 1610s 240 a. of fieldland, besides 67 a. of arable in 17 closes and 26 a. of pasture. …….
This is the entry in the Domesday Book which has a note about Downhall, Abington Pigotts:-
Abintone: King's land and Alwin Cock from the king; Hugh from Bishop of Winchester; Earl Roger; 2 men-at-arms from Hardwin of Scales; Picot of Cambridge.
Down Hall with moat and 15th century gatehouse; 17th century Manor Farm.
As an aside, very tongue-in-cheek ?, again from the Domesday Book mentioning a “Goda” in Melbourn, Cambridgeshire (8 miles from Abington Pigotts):-
Melleborne / burne: Abbot of Ely. 2 hides and 1 virgate. Land for 5 ploughs. 6 villagers, 9 smallholders, 3 cottagers. Mill; meadow; pasture for village livestock. Value 100s; TRE £6. The Abbot also holds from Earl Roger ½ hide less the fourth part of 1 virgate. 1 villager. Meadow for ½ plough. Value 5s. Goda held this land before from Earl Algar. Colswein holds 3 virgates from Count [Alan]. 3 smallholders, 1 slave. Meadow. Value 20s; TRE 40s. Durand holds 1 hide and 1 virgate from Hardwin. 1 villager with 2 smallholders, 3 cottagers. Meadow; pasture. Value 25s; TRE 40s.
I have deciphered ? Thomas Goode’s (Abington) will dated 20 May 1580 (proved 20 Jun 1580) and his beneficiaries are: his wife Clemens/Clemence, his eldest son William, John, Richard, Francis, Margaret, Mary and his three youngest children Edward, Henry and Grace who he charges William “to bring up during their tenne yeares at learning providing them with all things necessary”. He not only bequeathed the long lease of the above farm but also property and lands in Wendye, Bassingbourn, Roiston (Royston), Wixen? (Wicken?) and land he purchased from Mr Ashwell, plus legacies of money, beasts (cows?), sheep and furniture etc etc. He also charges William to provide board for his mother for ten years and if she left because they didn’t get on, or if he got married she fell out with his wife, then he must pay her 20 shillings (£1) a year for her to live on for the remainder of the years left. So, if one could live on a pound a year in those days then the sums of money he left, i.e. to Richard £60 (according to the National Archives now worth about £9,000 [$17,500]) must have seemed rather a lot of money. So, like Robert and Marmaduke he certainly doesn’t seem to have been short of a bob or two. I expect he would have been considered considerably wealthy.
A couple of miles away from Abington Pigotts is Bassingbourn where there are a lot of ‘Goodes’. In fact the only John Goodes’s I can find (online that is) are from there. They are: John Good c11 Oct 1560, father William; John Goode c1561, father Goode and John Good c25 Aug 1566, father Good. There is also a Robert Goode c12 Feb 1597, father William, but unless he was christened much later than his birth the date is too late for Robert of Ufton.
And if any of you go on and on and on (as I have above)…… we may very well be related hehehe!
Good luck searching folks and I look forward to replies.