This is a follow-up and update to my post, May 23, 2011, at 16:37:39, message #1355, titled:parents & siblings of Albert Grogan of Polk Co., TN, & Wright Co., MO
UPDATE May 2011 and February 2012:Another family myth / tradition debunked and put to rest following a century of struggle to find documentation to support it.With the discovery in 2011 of Albert Grogan's parents, David and Hannah Grogan, and several siblings, we now believe that this story about land in Duluth, Minnesota, was not only a gross exaggeration but was a twisting of the fact that numerous Grogan families migrated from the Carolinas to northwest Georgia in the 1820s to try their luck in the Georgia Land Lotteries.Albert's presumed brother, Alfred, won land in Gwinnett County in the 1832 lottery where he was enumerated in 1830 as was widow Hannah Grogan.Additionally, there is a populated place in Gwinnett Co., GA, known as Duluth, now a suburb of Atlanta, just as there is a city by that name in Minnesota.David Grogan's lineage revealed that this Grogan family was of Irish ancestry, and was not Cherokee or of any other American Indian tribe.It seems that a group of Grogan descendants with $$ signs in their eyes, as the following 1939 letter confirms, had the right place (Duluth) but the wrong state (Minnesota) and created a mountain out of a mole hill that never existed in the first place.So the facts of the Grogan family living in or near Duluth, GA, and trying their luck in a Georgia land lottery grew into an entirely different story over generations of family story telling.
(letter written to Donnadeane Depew when she was a young girl; caps added)
Santa Paula Calif
Feb. 22 -- 1939
Dear Cousins --
I sure was pleased to receive your inquiry to day in regards to our ancestors.As I suppose without doubt I am the only living one who can tell you any thing about your great grand parents.At one time I had the entire history plus dates.I could tell a whole complete history --I have lost and destroyed all because I found I am sorry to say no one ever cared to know -- and the last survivor Catherine SANDERS of Seymour Mo died about 4 yrs ago age 106 [1934, age 84].But I'll tell you a few things --I spent plenty money and time and I guess if my Father would of lived he told me that he would be willing to spend $10,000. which would not be enough to even start as I spent that much my self at different times and ways-If I could talk to you I'd tell you all --but here is enough to let you wonder and wonder for years to come --
so here it is --
Your grand mother was as near a full blood as could be
GROGANs were Cherokees
HARVEYs were Creeks and Pinka Poos [exactly as he spelled the words; meant to be Kickapoo?]
As far as I know no one served in Revolutionary War
But Albert E. GROGAN for an honor act was awarded 360 acres of land where now sits the town of Delutte [Duluth] Minn. [see preceding note] of which the main st. is the 1/2 mile line ---
Value of property in 1930 was $772,000,000
as near as I could find out about 654 heirs--, deeds and quiet titles were without doubt forged.Only about $14,000.00 paid for these or information concerning the names--
The man is still living who gave this information at Springfield-- by the name of SANDERS [probably Catherine's son, Mark] who is or who was at the time entirely innocent of all -- only ignorant --
The manuscript of the whole affair covers over 1800 pages -- was in the hands of a Mr. DORAN* at Was D.C.what ever became of him I dont know--
About 12 years ago [ca. 1927] was the last hearing of the case as no one except as I understand the Indian Agent -- answered so I guess the case was closed but I understand was not --
The only one who I knew of who would of given the GROGANs a square deal of which I spent $1,000.00 to get to talk to about 30 minutes is dead was no other than Woodrow WILSON a great president but he is dead and gone.So after he died with no one to help I just washed my hands and intended to forget but I never will-- as at any time any thing comes of I am always ready to talk but with all the great wealth that rightfully belongs to us we will never get one cent so its just as well to us to all for get --
Although its wonderful to know just how I came to dig into the matter and from bits by bits come into what little information I have--
Your great grand parents originated in or near Raytown Georgia; imigrated [sic] to Tennessee then to Wright Co Mo --
Well this will keep you thinking and this is pretty good for me to remember after 2 years and 4 months of hard sickness for my self.
At this time every one of your people I know are pretty well--So with kind personal regards and best wishes from all to all
Clarence M. Harvey
Your great grandfather HARVEY name if I get it right was ( ? ) without a legal father.They originated also in Georgia.The GROGANs got their name from early settlers from England of Irish descent.
* 1920 District of Columbia census, p.216B, best match is:
William M. Doran, age 41, b. in NJ, occupation, "special expert, U.S. Govt." (wife Tillie M., age 42, b. MD)
(William Matthew Doran, b. May 18, 1877; in 1918 he's listed on his WW I draft registration card as a Special Expert and Investigator for the U.S. Government War Risk [next 2 words blurred] located at the New National Museum, Stop Payment Section; wife, Mrs. Tillie Snowden McGuire Doran; in the 1930 census, he's simply identified as a Clerk for the U.S. Govt.)
1923 Washington, DC, city directory, page 594:Doran Wm M spe expert vetrns bu h4, 1210 N nw
[believe this says that William M. Doran is a special expert with the veterans bureau; he and his wife Tillie M. live at 1210 N St. NW, Apt. 4]
1923 is the most recent directory available at Footnote.com; the most recent at Ancestry is 1899
Footnotes:Woodrow Wilson served two full terms as President, 1913-1921.However, he suffered a paralytic stroke, October 3, 1919, and spent the rest of his presidency and of his life weak, partially paralyzed, and inactive.He died February 3, 1924.Therefore, Clarence Harvey's visit with President Wilson occurred prior to October 3, 1919.As there is no official record of this visit in President Wilson's papers, it is believed by the curator of the Woodrow Wilson House in Washington, DC, that the visit was arranged in return for a political contribution.