I have just cited to you info from the rootsweb site by john gillion that peter ragsdale's daughter fannie married john ridgeway and per the info to follow by a. deason re her article on mis-info re whether there was this Sullivan's company roster there in laurens co, sc, the list included captain john ridgeway and others there in laurens co, sc who, again, were significantly involved there, like this captain john ridgeway/ fannie ragsdale andour william harris, jr/ frances rodgers, with this same col joseph hayes regiment there in this same little river district area of laurens co, sc during the revolutionary war
per other info that can also be found on line, our William harris, jr/ frances Rodgers, again, also served as a captain in this same col joseph hayes' little river regiment also there in laurens co, sc.
you can find several sites on line showing that this was our captain William harris, jr/ frances Rodgers who served during the revolutionary war there in laurens co, sc in col joseph hayes little river regiment and here are a couple of these sites:
the info to follow is from this site: entitled: A Miniature History of the American Revolution: Little River Regiment:
and these are the persons also in laurens co, sc who are said to have served in our captain william harris' little river company per this site:
4. Captain William Harris' company. Lewis Saxon, Joel Harvey, and Joseph Griffin served in this company.
you can find info on lewis saxon per the rootsweb site and in particular see the info by ron head.
lewis saxon was the first husband of sallie allen, who married 2nd robert mcnees, and sallie allen saxon mcnees was the daughter also of charles allen, jr/ lucy bacon allen smith and it was her sister mary/ polly allen, who married john l harris, brother of our charles harris/ jane cannon and their sister, our sarah goode harris, who married john mclaughlin.
again, as i have also cited in a previous post, charles allen, jr/ lucy bacon allen smith, who had also moved ca 1770 to laurens co, sc from this same lunenburg/ charlotte cos, va area was the son of charles allen, sr and, again, per the 1764 lunenburg co, va tithe list, these were our william harris, sr/ frances goode; her father, our mackerness goode, sr; our james hudson/ agnes burton; her father, james burton, sr and his sons, james burton,jr and thomas burton.
again, james hudson, who married agnes burton, daughter of james burton, sr, was the son also of our peter hudson, sr and brother of our judith hudson harris and james burton, sr, like our judith hudson harris and james hudson, was also named as a legatee in the 1752/ 1753 will of our peter hudson, sr
again, james burton, sr's son, thomas burton also moved to laurens co, sc and land our charles harris/ jane cannon owned in laurens co, sc with james holley bordered on lydall allen, who was the brother of our mary/ polly allen harris, and this land had also involved a suit with the estate of thomas burton.
again, you can find the 1764 lunenburg co, va tithe list on line but, once again, here is the laurens co, sc deed that shows the land that our charles harris/ jane cannon owned there in laurens co, sc, again, bordered on lydall allen and involved a suit with thomas burton, who was the son of james burton, sr also of lunenburg/ charlotte co, va and whose sister, agnes burton, married james hudson, brother of our judith hudson harris.
laurens co, sc deed book J, page 64, 1809, john clark, sheriff, to james holley and charles harris for $53, 150 acres former property of silvanus walker on raborn creek bordered on jonathan downs; lydall allen; robert creswell, sold by writ of fi fa at suit of exix and exor
of thomas burton, deceased. witnesses: william irby; john mc harg; john garlington, c.c
i do not find info to totally identify this joel harvey but here is a laurens co, sc deed wherein joel harvey and charles harvey witnessed the laurens co, sc deed re acquilla hall to charles parrot that bordered on our mackerness goode, sr or jr.
also gregory simmons, again, on rootsweb sites has a lot of info on the harvey family and he says that the harvey family also moved to laurens co, sc from lunenburg co, va.
ACQUILLA HALL and conveyed by him 7 Feb 1774 to Charles Parrot and from Parrot to Samuel Neighbors. By lands of James Ryan, Mac Neese Goode,
John Box and ACQUILLA HALL. Wit: Ratcliff Joel, Joel Harvey, Charles Harvey.
there is definitely griffin family also there in laurens co, sc but for now, i cannot identify which griffin family this joseph griffin is part of. as shown, per his pension statement and at the time he applied for it in 1834, joseph griffin was living in anderson district, sc.here is an excerpt from his pension application from another site.
this site re pension statement of joseph griffin, who served also there in laurens co, sc, but had moved to anderson dist, sc, I cannot recopy this but, again, you can find on line and I will only cite an excerpt from joseph griffin's pension statement here which he applied for and obtained in 1834 in Anderson district, south Carolina.
state of south Carolina, laurens district----personally appeared before me james dillard, esq and old and infirm person, before me Robert long one of the justices on the quorum of the district of of laurens co, sc aforesaid and being duly sworn on his oath saith that he was acquainted with jospeph griffin a private soldier in the little river regiment of the south Carolina militia in the revolutionary war under col joseph hayes regiment and captain williiam harris company he believes from about the 1st of November in 1780----and that he has no doubt that he served faithfully as a militia soldier to the end of the revolutionary war; the col and captain harris both dead.sworn and subscribed to the 16th day of October 1834. s/ james dillard; s/ Robert long, j.q.
again, john McLaughlin, who married ca 1798 there in laurens co, sc our sarah goode harris, sister of our Charles harris/ jane cannon and children of our William harris, jr/ frances Rodgers; his father, jamesMcLaughlin; and Andrew parks paid the security re the estate of our William harris, jr/ frances Rodgers there in 1799/ 1800 in laurens co, sc and james dillard had also signed this page.
the fact that james dillard, esq probably, again, served with our captain William harris, jr/ frances Rodgers during the revolutionary warmay explain why he also signed this page per our William harris, jr/ frances Rodgers estate papers.
again, the info to follow shows that, again, like our william harris, jr/ frances rodgers, that captain john ridgeway, who had married fannie ragsdale, daughter of peter ragsdale, was also part of col joseph hayes little river regiment and this article bydeason smith also talks about entrenched genealogicalinformation that keeps being disseminated when there was no real basis for that information in the first place and which is something we all need to be aware of and concerned about.
The following article gives much more information on the so called "SULLIVAN'S COMPANY OF SCOUTS" of Ms Sara Sullivan Ervin.Here Deason Smith proposes that little or no facts exist to support the position that there ever was a "Sullivan Roster of Volunteers".This group has been used as an important statement of fact quoted by many researchers and of the Sullivan and Camp families in particular.According to Smith's records, at ;east, some of the Sullivan and Camp families have been verified as having a valid claim as members of a revolutionary militia but not necessarily a member of the "Sullivan's Company of Scouts".
SULLIVAN'S COMPANY ROSTER AND THE PROBLEM OF ENTRENCHED DISINFORMATIION
A. Deason Smith
In the Magazine of Virginia Genealogy, Volume 25, November 1987, Number 4, page 3, Carolyn Copeland Bland offers the following:
"Genealogy requires analysis as well as research.In this most precise work, mistakes are inevitable, and it is every researcher’s responsibility to question the work of others.The serious genealogist insists on the citation of sources.He goes to the trouble of checking these for accuracy.He weighs conflicting evidence carefully, one source against another.Finally, he must base his conclusions on the preponderance of the evidence.
Without this caution, inexperienced researchers are misled sometimes by foolish genealogical claims.Then they go on to repeat these claims in many places and, with amazing success, they build up a crooked structure of ‘disinformation’ which is no small job to dismantle."
This is the unhappy problem for the genealogists reading a newspaper article sent to the Laurens County Library in Laurens, SC. The article has an account of a group of men called the Sullivan Independent Company of Volunteers.This group has been referred to as the Sullivan’s Scouts by Mrs. Sara Sullivan Ervin. Many Sullivan descendants have credited Ervin as their source for Sullivan genealogy, undeterred by the absence of proof of sources.This article gives a roster of 132 men who allegedly served in this company.The following research article is done to investigate whether the "Sullivan Scouts" did exist at all.
The following research material was done by Mrs. Mildred Brownlee in 1991 and given to A. Deason Smith in 2005.
SULLIVAN’S COMPANY ROSTER
William D. Sullivan (1838-1929), in a journal he called "Family Register", stated:"After the commencement of the Revolution, the Sullivan family moved from Virginia to Georgia to get away from the fighting.They settled on the Ogeechee River near Louisville.(Now in Jefferson County)In Georgia, they were harassed by Tories and hostile Indians.They served initially under Captains Game (Blassingame) Harvey, Irvin, and Twiggs.They then moved to Laurens District, SC and settled on Little River where Samuel Wharton lived.While living there, they served under Col. (Joseph) Hayes.The Sullivans had been on leave at the time of the massacre and were returning to their post.They met Claiborn Sims who was fleeing and warned them.
Samuel and Maud (Maudeline) Sullivan Wharton came to SC before the other Sullivans and settled on Little River in the Odell neighborhood."
The above was taken from page 223, of the "Family Register" by Wm. D. Sullivan.Words in parentheses were inserted by compiler.
From Laurens County legal documents:
Samuel Wharton and wife, Maudeline Sullivan were in Laurens County (Ninety Six District, then) by 8 April 1777, when Samuel purchased 150 acres on Cane Creek (near present Waterloo, SC).(Deed Book A, p. 140)The other Sullivans moved into the Little River area sometime after 12 May 1780, the fall of Charleston.The unit under Col. Joseph Hayes was at Hayes’ Station on Simmon’s Creek, a tributary of Little River, on 18/19 November 1781.Tory Capt. William (Bloody Bill) Cunningham and his troops came upon them there and massacred a number of Hayes’ unit, including Col. Hayes.
With the Patriot victory at Cowpens, 17 January 1781, the tide of war began to turn against the British.In July 1781, the British under Col. John H. Cruger, evacuated Ninety Six, burning the fort as they left.The raid through the back country by Cunningham and his troops was a last effort at revenge against some of his former neighbors.By this date, the most ardent Loyalists had left the back county.They had gathered at Ninety Six and followed Col. Cruger’s troops to Orangeburg and then had gone on to Charleston.From there, a number migrated to Nova Scotia; some to the Bahamas; some to England; and some of the less obnoxious eventually returned to their homes in the back country.
The Sullivan family continued their residence in the Little River-Cane Creek area for the duration of the war.Laurens County Deed Book B, p. 27 shows that on 3 March 1784, Charles Sullivan and Hewlett Sullivan were witnesses when Wm. Dendy purchased a tract of land on Little River.Deed Book B, page 96 shows Charles Sullivan still in the area on 15 December 1786.Evidently Charles and Hewlett Sullivan did not purchase land in Laurens County.On 30 January 1790, Moses Sullivan purchased 150 acres on Beaverdam Creek (of Little River).(Deed Book C, page 181)On 20 July 1791, Moses Sullivan and wife, Milly, now of Greenville County sold this 150 acres to Jeremiah Glenn of Virginia. (Deed Book F, page 37)Moses Sullivan appears on the Greenville County census for 1790.
Although the Treaty of Hopewell, by which South Carolina obtained the counties of Pendleton and Greenville from the Cherokee Indians, was not effected until November 1785, the State began issuing warrants of survey for land grants there in 1784. On 21 May 1784, Charles Sullivan obtained a warrant for 400 acres on Reedy River, a branch of Saluda River.(Plat Book A, page 38)On same date, Hewlett Sullivan obtained a warrant for 200 acres on branches of Reedy River.(Plat Book A, page 42)Charles Sullivan also got a warrant of survey for 200 acres on Line Creek of Saluda River.(Plat Book A, page 331)Both Charles and Hewlett Sullivan appear on Greenville County Census 1790.
The newspaper clipping of the SULLIVAN ROSTER (A. Deason Smith has a copy ) is the first and only item from the Jefferson Sullivan papers that has been obtained by the Laurens County Library as of April 1991.This clipping indicates that Sara Sullivan Ervin had possession of the "Sullivan Roster". And from South Carolinians in the Revolution, Sara Sullivan Ervin, page 133 we find the following:
According to the family tradition:"Hewlett Sullivan (age 18), with his father’s help, organized in the fall of 1781, a company of scouts and rangers, composed of relatives and friends.They caught and hung many Tories and cleared their section of Red Coats."
Using Roster of South Carolina Patriots in the American Revolution by Bobby Gilmer Moss; DAR Patriots Index; Accounts Audited and Stub Entries to Indents, SC Archives; and Petitions for Pension submitted by the soldiers or their widows, effort has been made to document service of the men named on the SULLIVAN ROSTER.
After an extensive search of authentic Revolutionary War documents and accounts, there is no evidence of a "SULLIVAN’S COMPANY of SCOUTS".In none of the available reminiscences written by old soldiers regarding their war service is there any mention of a troop of Sullivan’s Scouts.The documented service records of the 132 men mentioned as members of Sullivan’s Scouts cast doubt that there ever was such a company.If the company were so active in catching and hanging so many Tories and in clearing their section of Red Coats, surely some would have been proud to mention this as part of their service.
Actually, the roster appears to have been compiled many years after the war was over by someone who had no basis in fact but who held a romantic and exaggerated notion of their ancestor’s role in the Revolutionary War.
The clipping states:"…a copy of the roll of the company was made by Capt. Hewlett Sullivan.This paper passed to Capt. Sullivan’s son, Jefferson (1807-1868), and to his son and then to other relatives.It is now in the possession of a niece, Ms. Sara Sullivan Ervin…"
The following list of individuals was compared with existing records byMrs. Mildred Brownlee andDeason Smith .Most have been verified although there are twenty-nine with "no data" to confirm their participation in any kind of activity.Some of the individuals served in the North Carolina military rather than in South Carolina making their participation in the "Sullivan Scouts" even more unlikely. It does seem to this author that the list was manufactored by someone based on little or no fact.- EC
1. Hewlett Sullivan – served after the fall of Charleston. (Indent U, no. 357.)No reference found as Captain.He was 18 in 1781.
2.Thomas Hamilton – pension petition states he served first in VA.While residing on Reedy Creek, he enlisted in March 1782 under Capt. George Martin and Col. Casey. (Moss)
3.Capt. John Ridgeway, Sr. – killed by Tories on Dirty Creek, September 3, 1781.Served under Col. Joseph Hayes. (Moss)
4. John Camp – served under Col. Roebuck.Indent X, no. 3424.
i do not give the whole list here but, again, this whole article can be found on line.again, per the info i have been talking about here, our william harris, jr/ frances rodger, and per this info just cited here, is stated to have been a captain during the revolutionary war who had served, again, like captain john ridgeway/ fannie ragsdale and john camp/ mary tarpley, in col joseph hayes little river regiment.
per the post before this, i discussed the info re why our charles harris/ jane cannon would have named their youngest son, green berry harris/ permelia elizabeth ann adair after green berry turner, sr/ margaret hopkins, who also knew our charles harris/ jane cannon there in laurens co, sc and had also moved to paulding co, ga.
again, margaret hopkins turner was the daughter of solomon hopkins, jr/ elizabeth terry, daughter of rev thomas terry and his 1st wife, elizabeth harrison, who, again, like mark moore and peter ragsdale, were involved in establishing the lebanon methodist church there in laurens/ greenville cos, sc-----
and this was also rev thomas terry who married 2nd Rebecca mcdowell and their son, asbury terry who married as his 1st and 2nd wives nancy graydon and winnifred graydon and who were the daughters of this thomas graydon/ sarah camp, daughter of this same john camp above and his wife, mary tarpley, who, again, like our captain William harris served there in laurens co, sc in this same col joseph hayes regiment.
so, what i am going to talk about next and, again, cite the records for, is that this was the same camp family re john camp/ mary tarpley there in laurens co, sc and their daughter sarah camp who marred Thomas graydonand the john camp, who our william harris/ frances goode sold his wynne creek land toand which, again, had been a survey for our william harris/ judith hudson and their son, our william harris, sr/ frances goode in 1750 and, again, became a patent to our william harris, sr/ frances goode in 1758 and------
and who, again, was the same john camp, involved with our william harris, sr/ frances goode, as an executor of the will and estate of john wilborn/ judith also from 1758-1762 while john wilborn/ judith's will was also witnessed by our william harris/ judith hudson andby richard hudson, nephew of our peter hudson, sr.
belva harris cauthen
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