Louis and Caroline Hartleben, Rochester, NY late 1800s
I am not sure to what extent I have written on here within the past few years. I figured I would update the information I have since found. What I KNOW is that my great-greatish grandparents were Louis and Caroline (spelling unsure) Hartleben. Louis H. was born in May 1851 in Hamburg. He worked as a shoemaker in the late 1880s and later as a laborer for a nursery in 1910. He passed away somewhere between 1920 and 1930 as he was not able to be located in the 1930 census files. There must be a connection between Louis and Fredrick also listed as living in the Rochester area at the same time period. My grandfather remembers a Herman Hartleben who he called a cousin of his fathers. Herman was a son of Fredricks. I am therefore assuming that Herman and John (my grandfather's father and Louis's son) were cousins making Fred and Louis brothers. I DO NOT have direct proof of this as of yet though. I have had contact with Randy Coyne (see here) who is a direct relative of Fredrick. He stated that he does have records of Louis H. moving from Hamburg, Germany to Hamburg, NY. Randy stated that the family might have traveled through Baltimore where some went to NY and others went to West Virginia (the possible link between the Rochester Hartleben families and the WV families).
Louis was listed as living on Clinton Avenue in 1900 and Nickelson street in Rochester in 1920. Note:For the 1900 census, the family is listed as Hartlepen (see P instead of B) making the family hard to find via searches.
Louis married Caroline Drahn born possibly in Hamburg, Germany in June of 1851. She also lived to some date between 1920 and 1930. They were married about 1874 in Germany. Caroline was listed as having 14 babies with only 8 living. There is a record of a Caroline traveling with Caroline (age 5) and Caroline (age 3 months) in 1880 from Hamburg, Germany. There is no record of a Louis Hartleben traveling though. In 1910, she was listed as being "Catholine" on the census file.
Louis and Caroline had the following children:
Caroline (~1875 - no record found). Caroline was listed with Caroline and Caroline on a passanger list. She was not listed as part of the family group in 1900 meaning either she was married or one of the children that died at a young age.
Caroline (~1880 - no record found). Again, not in the family in 1900 but also could have been married by that time.
Bertha (3/29/1884, NY to 9/1971, Rochester NY) who married Byron Craver and had several children.
Emma Hartleben (3/1888, NY to ??) It was rumored that she was born in Germany, but that was NOT true as the family was definitely in the area by that time. She was married to a man with the last name of Boas. The information on him disappeared from my files though.
Frank Hartleben (5/1889, NY to ??) in 1930 Frank worked at an auto factory in Detroit. I am not SURE that this is the same person. He married Anna B. b. 1888, Michigan, d. about 1906)There was an Ernest living with him at later dates listed as a nephew.
John Hartleben (2/1892, NY to 1/1946, Rochester, NY) John worked a variety of small jobs such as one in a button factory, one in a camera shop and in a belt factory. He lived on Bloomfield Street in Rochester NY in 1930. He married Loretta Bartels (b. 8/1898 d. 6/1989) and had six children, the oldest of which was my grandfather Jack/John.
Martha Hartleben (b. 8/1893, NY d. bef. 1926). Martha worked in a button factory in 1920. She was killed in an automobile accident prior 1926.
Arthur Hartleben (b. 3/1894 NY, d. 5/1959 in California)Arthur worked assembling cameras in 1920. A Marion Brown incorrectly reported that he was born in Guatamala in a previous comment on a board. This is NOT true as verified by his son. This information was found on the LDS site (Marion Brown's). He lived on Gregory street in 1920. He married Isabell Buchanan of Canendagua NY and had two sons.
Louis Hartleben Jr. (b. 4/1897 NY) worked at an auto garage in 1920. Living with his parents in 1920. Named Ludwig in 1900. Married a Rosebud ???
Ernest Hartleben (b. 12/1899) Ernest was not listed as part of the family in 1910 or 1920. I doubt that he was really Caroline's son as listed on a census file since Caroline would have been 47 when he was born. I would rather assume that he was probably the son of one of her children. And therefore, would possibly be the Ernest living with Frank (mentioned above).
There was also a Lena (b. ~1901) living with the family in 1910. This was most likely not Caroline's daughter although she was listed as a daughter. Caroline's overall number of children born/pregnancies did not change from those years.
As you have probably figured out, there are missing children somewhere. If she had 8 living children in the early 1900s, I am not sure where they all ended up. It was well known that Caroline had a rough life and felt the pain of losing so many children. Although it feels as if tracking the Hartleben lines should be relatively easy, I am having a heck of a time figuring it all out. Please see my next post with various "thoughts" I have had concerning the Hartlebens of the late 1800s.
Lori (Hartleben) Gallagher