I am the second of the five daughters. Uncle Bert apparently has family history as far back as 1609. I have copies of teh civil war search mention how Frtederick was a deserter. Actually he wasn't. Have you heard that story . E-mail at my yahoo address. I am so glad you responded. Does Your grandfather remember me? I think I saw him last at my grandmothers funeral, but I can't remember, i think Isaw him before that. My father wants me to ask you to have your Dad e-mail him. I called himright away. Mom & Dad lives on Marco Island. Thanks again.