I looked back on one of your earlier posts where you named Peter Knapp, Jr. married to Zeruiah Hartshorn, as the father of Nancy Maria married to Willard 1/1/1850 in Lyman, NH.
This is why I was wondering if my Nancy was actually the daughter of the same Peter Knapp married to Zeruiah Hartshorn.My Nancy was married to my GGG Grandfather Cyrus Camp in 1839.Is your information on the husband of your Nancy solid?My Nancy also had the middle initial of M.
This is the web page that I found the information on my Nancy, where it lists Cyrus Camp as her husband (and Peter Knapp as her father):
(North Star Newspaper 1833-1840 - Marriage Notices Danville, VT)
I also found, on the same page, the marriage information for a Mary Ann Knapp, also a daughter of Peter Knapp.I'm assuming these 2 Knapp women were sisters with the same Peter Knapp as their father.I see that you also list a Mary Ann as a sister to Nancy M.
I have copies of index cards listing the Camp genealogy from Dartmouth College.On that it lists Nancy's birth year as 1821.She died on Feb 16, 1884 at the age of 63 in Lyme, Grafton Co., NH.
Do you know if the Peter Knapp and the Peter Knapp, Jr. in Hanover, Grafton, NH is any relation to this family?
There is a Peter Knapp and Peter Knapp, Jr. in Hanover, Grafton, NH in the 1790 and 1800 US Census.I found some information mentioning Peter Knapp and Peter Knapp, Jr. in “A History of Hanover, NH”.I wonder if this is a relation as my Camp family (Nancy Knapp’s husband) moved to Hanover, NH.
1790 Peter Knapp
Hanover, Grafton, NH, US
2 males over 16, 4 males under 16, 4 females (all ages)
Don’t know if this is a relative or not
1800 Peter Knapp
Hanover, Grafton, NH, US
1 male between 10-15, 2 males between 16-25, 1 male 45+, 1 female between 16-25 and 1 female 45+
This Peter Knapp would have been 45 or over.Any relation?
The information I have on my Peter Knapp is that he was born about 1795 (Zeruiah Hartshorn was born about 1789) - so in 1800 Peter would have been 5 years old!?So, this wouldn’t be my Peter, possibly a great grandfather?What might you have on the generations before Peter Knapp?I see that you have Peter Knapp, Jr.’s birth year as about 1775.Where did you get that info?I can’t remember now where I got my birth year for Peter.
1800 Peter Knapp, Jr.
Hanover, Grafton, NH, US
2 males under 10, 2 males between 16-25, 1 male between 26-44, 1 female under 10, 1 female between 10-15 and 1 female between 26-44
This Peter, Jr. would have been between 26-44 years old in 1800.(The birth year you have for Peter Knapp would work)
1810 Peter Knapp
Hardwick, Caledonia, VT
1 male under 10, 1 male 10-15, 1 male 16-25, 1 male 45+, 1 female under 10, 1 female 10-15, 1 female 45+
I have no idea if this is a relation or not?Peter, Sr. perhaps?
1820 Peter Knapp
Richmond, Chittenden, VT
1 male under 10, 1 male 26-45, 1 female under 10, 1 female 26-45
Not sure, but the ages are close for what I have for Peter and Zeruiah Knapp
1820 Peter Knapp
Norwich, Windsor, VT
2 males under 10, 1 male 26-45, 1 female under 10, 1 female 26-45
Not sure, but these ages are also close for what I have for Peter and Zeruiah Knapp
1830 Peter Knapp
St. Johnsbury, Caledonia, VT
1 male under 5, 2 males 5-9, 2 males 10-14, 1 male 30-40, 1 female 5-9, 1 female 15-20, 1 female 30-40
Peter would be about 35
Zeruiah would be about 41 (according to this census the adult female would be under 40 – however, it is not unusual for the age to not match up perfectly, so I’m pretty confident this is still is Zeruiah)
1840 Peter Knapp
St. Johnsbury, Caledonia, VT
1 male 10-15, 1 male 15-20, 1 male 40-50, 1 female, 5-10, 1 female 50-60
Peter would be about 45
Zeruiah would be about 51
1850 Peter Knapp (55) and his wife Zeruiah (I’m pretty sure) (59)
St. Johnsbury, Caledonia, VT
This says Peter Knapp was born in MS.I don’t think that’s right.Maybe it’s Massachusetts as you have indicated.
(Based on the information you provided, living next door was their son Nathan Knapp (27) with his wife Jane (Betsey Jane Magoon) (23) and next door to them was another son, Alden Knapp (24) with his wife Orpha (Orpha Woodbury Palmer) (23) and son George (1)
1860 Peter Knapp (66) with someone by the name of Cleta (66), I’m thinking it’s a misspelling of his wife Zeruiah as it indicates that he was born about 1794 unless she had already died and he remarried?This also says that Peter Knapp was born in NY?
Barnet, Caledonia, VT
1870 I do not find Peter and Zeruiah Knapp; therefore, so maybe they passed away between 1860-1870.
You provided the names of their children:
Mary Ann, who married Benjamin West
Charles H., who married Julia A. Hartshorn
David, who married Cordelia F. Gates
Nancy M. (my info is that she married Cyrus Camp), you have her married to Willard
Nathaniel F., who married Betsey J. Magoon
Alden N., who married Orpha W. Palmer
I found Benjamin West and wife (Mary Ann Knapp) in the 1840 US Census – St. Johnsbury, Caledonia, VT (no children yet).
I found Benjamin and Mary Ann Knapp West and family on the 1850 US Census living in St. Johnsbury, Caledonia, VT.
Benjamin D. West abt 1817 in VT
Mary Ann (Knapp) abt 1814 in VT
Susan West abt 1844 in VT
Charles West abt 1845 in VT
Whipple West abt 1847 in VT
I found a Whipple West born about 1823 with his wife living next door to a Benjamin West and his family in St. Johnsbury, Caledonia, VT.
Because Mary Ann Knapp’s husband is Benjamin West and they have a child named Whipple, I can only assume that this Whipple West is his brother and this Benjamin West is his father.
Benjamin West abt 1791
Phebe abt 1790
Luther abt 1827
Harriet abt 1832
The census “translation” says that Benjamin West and his wife Phebe were born in NH
It says that Luther and Harriet were born in NY.
Whipple A. West abt 1823
Mary A. abt 1832
Benjamin D. West abt 1817
Mary Ann (Knapp) abt 1814
Charles West abt 1845
Whipple West abt 1848
Ellen West abt 1853
Mary A. West 57
She was head of household with a Frank Palmer (43) and an Edward Holbrook (24).Not sure if this is our Mary A. (Knapp) West.I could not find her husband, Benjamin West.Maybe it was Whipple West’s wife Mary A.?
I did not find anything more on Benjamin and Mary Ann (Knapp) West.
I did not find anything more on Susan West or Ellen West.
I found on Ancestry.com documentation of headstones provided for deceased Union Civil War Veterans, 1879-1903 – Whipple West was provided one in the St. Johnsbury Center Cemetery.He died on January 28, 1864 (I’m guessing war related?).I believe this was the son of Benjamin and Mary Ann (Knapp) West.He was a private in VT Co E 6th regiment.
I also found the Civil War Pension Index for Whipple West with his mother, Mary Ann West, listed.
On another document (U.S. Army, Register of Enlistments, 1798-1914), this is the information I found (Again, I believe this was the older Whipple West):
Whipple West (listed with an alias of James W. Tyler).He had hazel eyes red hair and fair skin and was 5'9".He lived in St. Johnsbury, VT and was a farmer.He enlisted in the military in Boston, MA on Nov 1st 1841 by Lt. Johnston for 5 years in Drag regiment Company B (he was 18 yrs old).Prior to his discharge he deserted the military on 12 Sept 1844 and was apprehended on 20 Aug 1845.
He was discharged on 21 Sept 1846 due to "disability" at Matamoras Mexico as a private.
I found a Charles H. West on the 1890 Veterans Schedule:
He was a Private in Co. E 6th Vermont Infantry – He enlisted on 12 Apr 1862 and was discharged on 21 Mar 1864.He served 1 year 11 months and 9 days.I believe this to be the son of Benjamin and Mary Ann (Knapp) West.He would have been 19 when he joined the army.
Back to the Knapp family.In the 1840 Census, I found a Charles Knapp, living next door to Cyrus Camp (Nancy Knapp’s husband) on one side and his father, Peter Knapp, on the other side.Charles was between 20-30 yrs old as was his wife, Julia Hartshorn.They had a daughter under the age of 5 yrs. old; this would have been Hulda.Cyrus and Nancy (Knapp) Camp were between 20-30 yrs old and had no children yet (they were just married in March of 1839).
In the same census, in Peter Knapp’s family was:
Male 10-15 Alden, he was born about 1826, so he was approx. 14 years old
Male 15-20 Nathan, he was born about 1823, so he was approx. 17 years old
Male 40-50 Peter, (according to my records) he was born about 1795, so he was approx. 45 years old
Female 5-10 1830-1835 female (I don’t know who this would be)
Female 50-60 Zeruiah, she was born about 1789, so she was approx. 51 years old
Charles Knapp abt 1817 and Julia A. Hartshorn abt 1818 had the following children (all born in VT):
• Hulda - married David E. Harriman on 17 Jan 1880 in St. Johnsbury, Caledonia, VT.She was born on 15 May 1840 in St. Johnsbury, Caledonia, VT and died on 03 Jul 1917 in St. Johnsbury, Caledonia, VT.He was born on 18 Aug 1822 in Peacham, VT and died on 23 Jan 1910 in St. Johnsbury, Caledonia, VT.He was married to a Jane Sanborn prior to being married to Hulda.David and Jane had 7 children.Jane died in 1879.According to this source, he and Hulda did not have any children.His daughter Katie was still living home when he married Hulda.
• George b. abt 1841
• Dwight b. abt 1844
• Martha b. abt 1846
• Helen b. abt 1848
• Julia b. abt 1851
• Frank b. abt 1853
• Edna b. abt 1854
• Frank b. 1856
All 9 children are listed on the 1860 US Census
(NOTE:There were 2 Frank Knapps were listed in this family on the 1860 US Census.In the 1870 Census, the 2nd Frank wasn’t listed.Instead, about the same age, an Albert Knapp was listed.Maybe his name was Albert Frank or vice versa?)
I found a George L. Knapp b. abt 1842 living in Benton, Grafton, NH in the 1870 census.Although she is listed as “domestic servant”, I’m guessing that Harriet O. Knapp is his wife and Marilla Knapp was his daughter.Is this George L. Knapp the son of Charles Knapp and Julia Hartshorn Knapp?I don’t know.It’s possible as his brother David moved to Grafton County, NH between 1856-1859.
I found a Frank Knapp b. abt 1854 married to Mary Jane living in St. Johnsbury, VT in the 1880 census.Don’t know if this is the Frank Knapp, son of Charles H. Knapp.
David Knapp abt 1820 and Cordelia Gates abt 1821 had (all born in VT except for Jenny, she was born in NH):
• Maria Nancy Knapp, b. abt. 1841
• Viletta Knapp, b. abt. 1843
• Ezra G. Knapp, b. abt. 1845
• Priscilla E. Knapp, b. abt. 1848
• Hubbard C. Knapp, b. abt. 1850
• William W. Knapp, b. abt. 1853
• Matilda Knapp, b. abt. 1856
• Jenny L. Knapp, b. abt. 1859
In 1960 this family was living in Littleton, Grafton, NH.
There is no mention of Viletta Knapp in the 1860 Census or any other afterwards.Most probably she died between 1850 and 1860.
There is a Hubbard Knapp (b. June 1851) in 1870 Census living in Brighton, Essex, VT with an adopted son Robert Knapp (b. June 1886).There is no wife listed, however there was a woman by the name of Melissa Dudley (b. Feb 1874) and her 2 children (Perley b. Nov 1895 and Madeline b. June 1898) living with him – all 3 were listed as boarders.She would have been too young to have been Robert’s mother.
In the 1930 census Hubbard C. Knapp (b. abt 1849 – he was now 81 years old) was living with his son Robert R. Knapp (b. abt 1887) in Rochester, Windsor, VT and Robert’s wife, Ethel M. (b. abt 1894).
Their children were:
Robert E. – b. abt 1918
Arlene M. – b. abt 1923
Philys C. (foster daughter) – b. abt 1926
Marion A. – b. abt 1929
Ezra Knapp was in the Civil War.He enlisted as a private in Company K, 7th Infantry Regiment Vermont on 6 Mar 1865 (he was 20) and mustered out as a private on 19 Jul 1865.His Civil War Pension index card lists Jennie as his widow.According to this document he died prior to March 15, 1915.
I found Ezra G. Knapp (b. abt 1846) in the 1880 census as divorced.He was a barber.
I found Ezra C. Knapp (b. Feb 1845) in the 1900 census with Jennie C. (b. Mar 1856) as his wife.They had been married 11 years.Also living with them was his step daughter, (Jennie’s daughter, I presume) Daisy B. Nourse, b. Oct. 1878.
I found Ezra G. Knapp (b. abt 1845) in the 1910 census with Jennie E. as his wife.They had been married 22 years.
In the 1860 census I found Nathan Knapp b. abt 1822 living in St. Johnsbury, Caledonia, VT.Living with him were his wife, Jane b. abt 1829 and his daughter, Sarah b. abt 1853.Also living with them were Sarah Magoon b. abt 1836 and Janette Magoon b. abt 1841 – both listed as “domestic”, but I’m guessing they were Jane’s sisters.
In the 1870 census, Nathan and his family were still living in St. Johnsbury, Caledonia, VT.He and his wife, Jane, had another child named Arabella who was b. abt 1862.They also had a daughter, Jennie, born abt. 1853, which I’m guessing is the same as Sarah who was b. abt 1853, listed on the 1860 census?Possibly her name was Sarah Jennie or Jennie Sarah?There was also a 14 year old girl living with them named Etta Blanchard.I don’t know if she was a relative or domestic help?
I have a source that says that Nathan Knapp died in November 1880, but he isn’t listed in the 1880 census and his wife is listed as a widow.Perhaps he died the year before, or just earlier in the year?Living with Jane B. Knapp in St. Johnsbury, Caledonia, VT was her daughter (spelled) Ila Belle.
I found Jane B. Knapp living with her daughter and son-in-law, Ila B. (b. abt 1867) and Gordon Haslam (b. in Nova Scotia abt 1873) and their son, Irving E. Haslam in Providence, RI in the 1900 census.
In the 1910 census in Providence, RI,Jane B. is still living with her daughter Ila B. and son-in-law Gordon E. Haslam and their 2 children Irving E. (b. abt 1897) and Gordon R. (b. abt 1906).
On March 13, 1916, Betsey Jane Magoon passed away in Rhode Island.She was 87 years old.
1850, as I early stated, Alden and his wife Orpha W. Palmer were living in St. Johnsbury, Caledonia, VT, in the same neighborhood and most probably the same street as his parents Peter and Zeruiah and brother Nathan.They had a son named George, who was b. abt 1849.
1860 census I found Alden Knapp b. abt 1826 with his wife, Orpha W. b. abt 1826 and their children Ella R. (b. abt 1851), Elsie M. (b. abt 1853), George N. (b. abt 1855) and Luella L. (b. abt 1857) living in St. Johnsbury, Caledonia, VT.If you notice, this George was not the same George listed on the 1850 census.I’m presuming that the first George died.
In 1870, Alden and his family were living in St. Johnsbury, Caledonia, VT.This included his wife Orpha, Elsie, George, Luella, Pling (I believe this is actually Plinny or Pliny) b. 1861, Hattie b. abt 1865, John b. abt 1869.Also living with them was (I believe) Alden’s nephew – his brother David’s son) Ezra G. Knapp.
In 1880, a widowed Orpha W. was still living in St. Johnsbury, Caledonia, VT.Still living home was Plinny, Hattie and John.
I find nothing more of Orpha W. Palmer Knapp.
All of Alden and Orpha’s children were born in Vermont except the 2nd George and Luella L.Both of them were born in New Hampshire.
George N. Knapp, son of Alden Knapp was living in St. Johnsbury, Caledonia, VT in 1880.He was married to Henrietta, who was b. abt 1859.They had 2 children, Gerty M. (b. abt 1877) and Addie P. (b. abt 1879).
Plinny H. Knapp b. Nov 1868 was found on the 1900 census, living in Boston, MA, (born in VT) married 6 years to Minnie b. Oct 1870 in MA.They had a daughter Elsie b. Aug 1896.Also living with them was Minnie’s sister, Nellie Grant b. April 1879 who was single.I’m guessing then, that Minnie’s maiden name was Grant.I’m not entirely sure if this is the same Plinny who is the son of Alden Knapp.In the 1870 census, Plinny was b. abt 1861, but in this 1900 census it says he was b. Nov 1868, so I’m not sure.
In the 1910 Census, living in Essex County, MA, was Plinny H. Knapp b. abt 1867, his wife, Minnie F. b. abt 1872 and their daughter Elsie M.b. abt 1897.They only had one child it seems.
Nancy M. Knapp – my line
She was b. abt 1821 in VT – probably St. Johnsbury, Caledonia.She was m. 03 Mar 1839 St. Johnsbury, Caledonia, VT to Cyrus Camp b. 15 Sep 1816 in Hanover, Grafton, NH.Nancy d. 16 Feb 1884 and Cyrus d. 14 Mar 1877.They both died in Lyme, Grafton, NH.In his early life Cyrus Camp was a school teacher.It was said that he was “ever a man whose influence was felt for good in the community”.Cyrus Camp’s parents were David Camp and Theoda Elvira Bridgman.
In the 1840 Cyrus and Nancy (Knapp) Camp were living in St. Johnsbury, Caledonia, VT.In 1842 George W. Camp was born.At that time they were living in Etna, Grafton, NH.The next child, Harriet M. b. 30 Sep 1844 in Etna, NH only lived until 21 Sep 1847.She died in Hanover, Grafton, NH.Their next child they named Harriet I. Camp b. abt 1849 in Etna, NH.Their youngest child Lewis P. Camp was b. Mar 1856 in Etna, NH.He d. 1940 in Swanton, Franklin, VT at the age of 84.
In 1850 Cyrus and Nancy, George & Harriet were living in Hanover, Grafton, NH
George W. Camp went on to marry in 1863, Mary A. Reynolds b. abt 1840 in NH.They had 3 children:Jane “Jennie” b. abt 1866, Cyrus T. b. Nov 1867 and Annette b. Apr 1870.
NOTE:The “Family Data Collection – Marriages” found on Ancestry.com lists their marriage year as 1863 - however, you will find Mary A. Camp living in the same household with George W. and his parents and siblings in the 1960 census.
In 1870 George, Mary and the 3 children were living in Lyme, Grafton, NH.
Sometime between 1870-1880 George and the family moved to Norwich, Windsor, VT.That’s where they are in the 1880 census.The daughter Annette isn’t listed, so I’m assuming she passed away sometime after 1870.
I don’t find anything more on George and Mary Camp.
Cyrus Camp, Nancy and the 2 younger children moved to Lyme, Grafton, NH in 1869 where Cyrus purchased a farm.
In 1870 Cyrus and Nancy Camp’s daughter, Hattie (Harriet) was still living home with her parents and younger brother Lewis.
Sometime between 1870 and 1876 Harriet married Benjamin F. Bartlett b. abt 1848 VT.They had Carrie M. b. abt 1876 NH and Willie M. b. Nov 1879.
NOTE:Benjamin F. Bartlett enlisted as a Private on 6 Aug 1864 at the age of 19.He was the 5th Infantry Regiment NH Company G.He mustered out on 28 Jun 1865 at Alexandria, VA.
On 14 Mar 1877 Cyrus Camp died.He was 60 years old.
In the 1880 US Census Nancy M. Camp and her son Lewis P. were living with her daughter and son-in-law – Harriet I. and Benjamin F. Bartlett and their 2 children in Lyme, Grafton, NH.I’m assuming Benjamin took over the farm that Cyrus Camp bought years ago as Benjamin is listed as head of household.
Nancy Camp died 16 Feb 1884 in Lyme, NH – 1 month before her granddaughter Jessie M. Camp, daughter of Lewis Camp was born.She was 63 years old.
In the 1900 Census I found a Hattie Bartlett, widowed b. Mar 1849 in NH.She has 2 children, Ida A. b. Nov 1880 and Ethel F. June 1889.I don’t know if this is the same Hattie Bartlett, however it lists her state of birth as NH, and her father’s as NH and her mother’s as VT – which is correct.It also lists the daughter’s father’s state of birth as VT, which is correct also.Could be a coincidence.I’m just not sure.Since the 1890 census is not available and I don’t know when Benjamin Bartlett died, I don’t have anything else to go on.
I find nothing else on Harriet I. Camp Bartlett and Benjamin Bartlett.I cannot find anything on their children either.
Cyrus and Nancy’s youngest child, Lewis P. Camp b. Mar 1856 in NH, m. Ella M. Aseltine abt 1883 and d. 1940 in VT.He outlived 2 wives.Ella was b. Sep 1863 in VT and d. 1900 in VT.She was 36 yrs. old.With Ella, he had Jessie M. who was b. Mar 1884 in Swanton, Franklin, VT.Jessie was my great grandmother
His 2nd wife, Lizzie S. Wait was b. 1858 in VT and d. 1914 in VT.They did not have any children.
From the time he was born until sometime after 1880, Lewis Camp lived in Etna, then Hanover and then Lyme – Grafton County, NH.In the 1900 census until he died in 1940, he lived in Swanton, Franklin, VT.
Jessie married Ernest Gladden (b. 16 Jun 1880 in VT) sometime after the 1900 census (she is listed with her parents) and prior to giving birth to her first child, Marion.Jessie was 17 when her daughter was born in 1901.During the next 24 years Jessie gave birth to 10 more children.Two of them died as infants.Excluding the 2 that died, she and Ernest had Marion, Doris, Grace, Naomi, Bernard, Donna, Raymond, Jean and Shirley.
Grace was my grandmother. At the time of the 1910 census, Jessie and Ernest Gladden and their 3 daughters were living with Jessie’s aunt (her mother’s sister) Minnie B. (Aseltine) and her uncle Fred B. Coyles as well as Minnie’s mother Sarah Aseltine.It was 3 generations under 1 roof, which was not unusual back then.
I cannot find the Gladdens in the 1920 census, but I do find my grandmother, Grace, living with her great aunt and uncle - Minnie and Fred Coyles, who continued to raise her until adulthood.My grandmother didn’t even know that Jessie Gladden was her mother until she was 8 or 9 years old when she found her birth certificate.And they only lived down the road from each other.
My grandmother married John Bellanger b. 28 Jun 1900 (formerly Ovila Beland) abt. 1927 and they had 5 boys and 1 girl – John, Robert, Donald (my dad), Richard, Ralph and Beverly.My dad married my mom Joan Ann Dixon in 1959 and they had 4 daughters, Terri, Donna, Joanne and Brenda.They have 7 grandchildren.
Whew!That’s all I can find.
What do you have to add?I would love to hear anything!