Clarence and Joseph were two separate children born two years apart, they are both listed with their parents in the 1910 and 1920 federal census, Jerusalem Township, Lucas County, Ohio. Joseph is listed as 42 then 52 years of age, not supporting the 1864 year of birth given in these messages, I have 21 July 1866 for his date of birth and 28 October 1866 for his date of christening in the St Joseph Church in Oak Harbor, Ohio. Also noted in the census that neither Joseph nor Josephine were literate, so possibly lost track of their ages. I have in the 1930 federal census in Michigan, and date of death 7 March 1948, buried in Munith Cemetery, in Jackson County, Michigan. Any info anyone would like to share, I would love to hear from you.