Jim, I just read your reply. I know that there are a bunch of Latimer's in Ireland, Australia and everywhere else it seems! I have been searching for three years for these elusive ancestors of mine. These two lines (Latimer/Beattie) are definitely my "brick walls". Maybe someday I will get the info that I need to connect this branch together. I will keep trying as long as I can (I did inherit my mother's Latimer-Irish stubborness!). She was very proud of her Latimer name.