Sally, Thanks for the response. a Lot of my information is from LDS records which is VERY subject to errors. So far, the information from this researcher has been accurate and agrees with my research. I have not proven the following information on George LUTZ however. I show him as born 1735/1736 in Departement Haut-Rhin, Alsace,France. He died abt 1777 in Lincoln Co, NC. Married Anna Catharina Schoppin, born 11 Apr 1762 in Landau, Pfalz, Bavaria, Germany and died 6 Jan 1797 in PA. Their son George was born 7 Jun 1768 in Lincoln Co, NC. My records agree with yours as to his marriage and spouse. I show that they had 5 children, the third being Joseph who married Sarah Frances Steele. I am descendended from Abraham and Francis thru their first son Abraham K, brother to their second child Sarah Francis. The third child, Joshua Toliver married Susanna Lutes, the second daughter of George and Elizabeth. Elizabeth is buried in Murray Co, Ga, died 1850. and George is buried in Lincoln Co, NC died July 1825/26.Send me any information you have and I will incorporate it in my Steele/Lutes database and send you copies of the data and include the ancestry of Abraham and Francis. Abraham's father Augustin was born in Baden Germany. Abraham and Francis are buried in St, Clair Co AL.