For Jack and anyone else interested in trying to determine the identify of men named Captain Alexander Wishart who lived in Scotland...this has been a challenge over many long years to piece together the family of a particular Alexander- born perhaps in 1760-1770 time frame (could be earlier than that if he married later in life or was married twice) and married to Mary MacGregor-
"Mrs. Mary McGregor Relict of Captain Alexander Wishart died 18th November 1843 age 72 years at 44 Rankeillor Street, St. Cuthbert's, Edinburgh".
This puts Mary's approximate year of birth at 1771. She was the daughter of a Duncan McGregor as per information from her marriage to Alexander Wishart:
Alexander Wichard/Wishart Sergeant in the 42nd Regt. of Foot and Mary MacGrigor daughter of Duncan MacgrigorXX two or three words I cannot make out...were married Jan. 15, 1790 after banns. (Married at South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland).
This same Alexander Wishart died at Exmouth, Devonshire in England where he had apparently gone for his health (?) on October 30, 1810. I have no idea how old he was- if he was close in age to his wife Mary McGregor, he died relatively young. He must have known he was dying (?) because he did make out a will- I have not transcribed the entire will, if I ever do, I will post it. I think in that will he refers to an unborn child, (Magdalena Gordon Wishart), who was born May 7, 1811 after her father's death.
Alexander was buried at Newington, Edinburgh, Scotland. At least two of his daughters were living at same place before they died. I have names of seven children for Alexander and Mary born between 1792 and 1811, including their eldest son Captain Alexander Wishart 1792-1823 who also died very young, in Ontario, Canada. This Alexander married Janet McLean daughter of Captain Hector McLean 1756-1820 who also served in the 42nd Regt. of Foot. Alexander (junior) and Janet had at least five sons, some of whose descendents live throughout Canada and the USA today.
Alexander Wishart senior and Mary McGregor had 4 daughters, only one of whom married and had children. Another son John 1809-1865 married in Scotland and emigrated with his family to Ontario, Canada. There is one other son named William born in 1807 but as I have never found any information for him I suspect he is the William Wishart who died in 1811 at Edinburgh.
I am perplexed that no one has ever found the names of Captain Alexander Wishart's parents and not those either for his wife Mary McGregor- her father was Duncan, that's the only clue I have.
Jack, you referred in your message to me to an "Alexander Wishart born 1790 at Inverness", asking me if I knew who his parents were. I am not sure to whom you are referring- do you have any more details for that Alexander?
I have a small separate file for a different Captain Alexander Wishart who was the son of James Wishart and Anne Abernethy.
Jack you refer to James Wishart and Ann Abernethy being in GLASGOW- are we talking about someone totally different here?
I have no idea where "my" James and Ann lived in their lifetimes- I do know that their son Alexander died on Jan. 15, 1858 at Blythswood, Glasgow. He was married to Helen DICK in 1831. Was this a second marriage for Alexander?
I have found fragments of information which help me to theoretically piece together a family for James and Ann-
1 25/06/1781 WISHART ALEXANDER JAMES WISHART/ANNE ABERNETHY M FORRES /MORAY 137/00 0020 0216
Reads: "June 25, 1781 was born Alexander Wishart the son of James Wishart and Ann Abernathy at FORRES, MORAY".
There is also a birth for a son Ludowick Wishart to same parents:
1778Sept. 30th (date of baptism)
Wishart, Ludowick son to Doctor James Wishart in Forres and Ann Abernethy his spouse born the 23rd was baptized. Witnesses: Sir Ludowick Grant of Dalvey (?) Bart (?), Baillie Duman (?) Grant, Mrs. John Gordon and Mistress Leslie.
Now doesn't this make things interesting...!!!! The father, husband to Ann Abernethy, is DOCTOR JAMES WISHART.
Many online posts have a man named Dr. James Wishart as brother to Alexander Wishart. I cannot find a birth reg. for a James, so I wonder if he is same man as Ludowick?
Dr. James Wishart never married. According to the 1841 and 1851 census's, he was born about 1781. His death reg. puts his year of birth at about 1773, quite a gap.
1858 Deaths Parish of Dingwall, County of Ross:
1858 March 21st6 hours A.M.
Male aged 85 years
Father:James Wishart, M.D.Deceased
Cause of Death:Apoplexy five days as Certified by G. G. M. Miller, Surgeon who saw Deceased march 21, 1858
Burial:Churchyard, Dingwall as certified by John McKenzie, Undertaker
Informant:William (?) Ross, Accountant, Wishart Place, High Street, Dingwall, Present
Registered 1858 March 27th at Dingwall, David Burnside, Registrar
So far then in this Wishart family, we have Alexander, Ludowick, and James. I think there are other children- I found a reference to a daughter- but because I cannot access the entire posted announcement, I have no idea if this was her death or a marriage:
Wishart, Miss Helen, daughter of the late Dr James Wishart, physician, Cromarty
Inverness Journal Friday, August 14, 1835
Can anyone find all of the above announcement for me?
And then this...
In yet another publication- I believe the year was 1808 (as backed up by Scotlandspeople entry):
At Dingwall, aged 75, James Wishart MD late Physician in Cromarty.
Scotlandspeople has this:
March 10, 1808...Dr. James Wishart late Physician in Cromarty, age 75.
If this is the same James Wishart who was married to Ann Abernethy and had sons Alexander, Ludowick, Dr. James, a daughter Helen...his year of birth is about 1733.
Note that one of the reasons I think this man who died in 1808 is the father is his location at DINGWALL. Same place where Dr. James Wishart (the younger) died and is buried.
OK, so Jack you asked me how I knew Captain Alexander Wishart who married Helen Dick was the son of James Wishart and Ann Abernethy...we know James and Ann did have a son Alexander born June 25th, 1781 as per birth records. Here is the 1841 and 1851 census info for Alexander and Helen:
1841 Scotland Census
Name: Helen Wishart
Estimated birth year: abt 1801
Where born: Scotland
Civil Parish: Barony
Address: Hill Street 93(Note the address here)
Parish Number: 622
Household Members: Name Age
Alex Wishart 50(Army Half Pay)
Helen Wishart 40
1851 Scotland Census
Name: Alexr Wishart
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1782
Spouse's Name: Helen Wishart
Where born: Gones, morrayshire(Original page states born at Morayshire- the Forres almost impossible to make out)
Parish Number: 622
Civil parish: Barony
Address: 95 Hill Street(address is actually #93)
Occupation: Capbe Army Halfpay(original page states "CAPTAIN Army, Half Pay")
Page: 2 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
Alexr Wishart 69
Helen Wishart 5(Helen's age was 50 years, not 5 years, this has been mis-transcribed by Ancestry)
Here is this Alexander's death information:
Death reg. from Scotlandspeople:
1858 Deaths in the District of Blythswood in the Burgh of Glasgow:
Lately Captain 15th Regiment of Foot
Widower(Helen died January 28, 1854 at Glasgow)
At 06 hrs A.M.
1858 January 16th
93 Hill Street, Garnet Hill, Glasgow
Male, 76 years of age
Father: James Wishart, M.D. Deceased(very significant- his father was a Doctor!!!)
Mother: Ann Wishart Maiden name Abernethy, Deceased
Cause of Death: Chromic Bronchitis and General Debility, about Ten Weeks
As Certified by R. D. Tahnahill (?), M.D. who saw Deceased January 15th
To be buried at St. David's Burying Ground, as Certified by James Walker, Undertaker
Informant: xxx Ferguson, 14 xxx Terrace, then another word I cannot make out, might be Glasgow, Not Present
Registered 1858 January 22nd, James Struthers (?), Assistant Registrar
And just to be very clear that this man above Alexander Wishart of Garnet Hill who died Jan. 1858 WAS married to Helen Dick-
From Scotlandspeople- under WILLS section:
WISHART ALEXANDER 28/01/1858 CAPTAIN OF THE 15TH REGIMENT OF FOOT, RESIDING IN GARNETHILL OF GLASGOW, SPOUSE OF HELEN DICK WISHART TRUST DISPOSITION AND SETTLEMENT GLASGOW SHERIFF COURT WILLS SC36/51/37
So.....a burning question that I have is this- Alexander Wishart son of James and Ann, married Helen Dick in 1831. He would have been about 50-58 years old. Had he been previously married? If so, did he have children? His will is available at Scotlandspeople. Has anyone else paid for it and read it? Might answer questions about any children.
If anyone wants my Wishart files, let me know. They are WORKING files, not pretty and polished, but have all the tidbits of info I find for each person in the notes sections.
Jack please do write to me again offline and I will send you the Wishart files I have pieced together.
If anyone has other information that can help corroborate what I have been saying in this message, please post here or write to me directly.
There are many many files online, and narratives which have the two Captain Alexander Wishart's mixed up and are therefore IN ERROR. Many people have the Alexander Wishart who was married to Mary McGregor as the man who died in Glasgow in 1858 and that is flat out wrong.
Does anyone know whose daughter Helen DICK was?
Nora in Alberta, Canada